****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (44 Viewers)

[eighsse2]

I've made three trades during the middle of the season and after the season, which I've already posted here individually, but now that the picks are known and everything, it boils down pretty simple. The net result is essentially as follows.

I gave: Joe Mixon, Aaron Jones, Tua Tagovailoa, EDIT: oops forgot I did deal the 2.10 as well
I received: 1.01, 2.01

(Technically my 1.07 and 1.10 were lost but replaced later with 1.08 and 1.09. Which is so close that I'm just calling that part a wash.)

I love the result from a value standpoint. I'm a little more ehhh about it from a team makeup standpoint, but I still like it. I'm very much trying to win now, so I hate losing two high volume veteran RB's. Just trying to move them before they fall off. I do still have Etienne and Swift to go with the presumed Bijan.

 

[rockaction]

I'm very much trying to win now, so I hate losing two high volume veteran RB's.

If you draft RBs to replace them, you've likely got absolutely no production issues. Bijan plugs right into a starting role most likely, and though it might take a bit of time for the 2.01 to ascend to workhorse status, Jones isn't a workhorse and Mixon's scoring is erratic. Your 2.01 might be productive sooner than you think and the other backs you have should make up for it (depending on league parameters and requirements -- I'm assuming a 2RB PPR league that isn't SF).

Overall, this is good work.

 

[menobrown]

I gave: Joe Mixon, Aaron Jones, Tua Tagovailoa
I received: 1.01, 2.01

I think it worked out great for you and even if this was redraft I'd still lean your side as of now. Bijan could always end up in a place like the Chargers or Ravens splitting work with Ekeler or Dobbins a year so can't say that may not change but for me right now if this was redraft I'd take Bijan over those two RB's.

I'm especially low on Mixon, and that was before I thought he might get cut. Has almost 25% of his season long fantasy production in one game. I get that game counted but without that game he was one of the most RB friendly systems in the league IMO and was meh and looks worn out. Jones is older but looks like he has more juice left to squeeze.

 

[eighsse2]

I gave: Joe Mixon, Aaron Jones, Tua Tagovailoa
I received: 1.01, 2.01

I think it worked out great for you and even if this was redraft I'd still lean your side as of now. Bijan could always end up in a place like the Chargers or Ravens splitting work with Ekeler or Dobbins a year so can't say that may not change but for me right now if this was redraft I'd take Bijan over those two RB's.

I'm especially low on Mixon, and that was before I thought he might get cut. Has almost 25% of his season long fantasy production in one game. I get that game counted but without that game he was one of the most RB friendly systems in the league IMO and was meh and looks worn out. Jones is older but looks like he has more juice left to squeeze.

Yeah Mixon confounds me sometimes. I love him when he's on but he's just off way too frequently.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm very much trying to win now, so I hate losing two high volume veteran RB's.

If you draft RBs to replace them, you've likely got absolutely no production issues. Bijan plugs right into a starting role most likely, and though it might take a bit of time for the 2.01 to ascend to workhorse status, Jones isn't a workhorse and Mixon's scoring is erratic. Your 2.01 might be productive sooner than you think and the other backs you have should make up for it (depending on league parameters and requirements -- I'm assuming a 2RB PPR league that isn't SF).

Overall, this is good work.

Agreed - land the presumed MIA starter at 2.01 and it’s a Jackpot. For one hypothetical example.

This might be the best time to be RB-needy, with a lot of inexpensive FA & a draft class loaded with them.

 

[joey]

I'm very much trying to win now, so I hate losing two high volume veteran RB's.

If you draft RBs to replace them, you've likely got absolutely no production issues. Bijan plugs right into a starting role most likely, and though it might take a bit of time for the 2.01 to ascend to workhorse status, Jones isn't a workhorse and Mixon's scoring is erratic. Your 2.01 might be productive sooner than you think and the other backs you have should make up for it (depending on league parameters and requirements -- I'm assuming a 2RB PPR league that isn't SF).

Overall, this is good work.

Agreed - land the presumed MIA starter at 2.01 and it’s a Jackpot. For one hypothetical example.

This might be the best time to be RB-needy, with a lot of inexpensive FA & a draft class loaded with them.

Also worth noting that @eighsse2 mentioned he also still has the 1.8 and 1.9, so even more dart throws to find another rookie RB.
nice trades to get the 1.1 though!

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

This is just ridiculous. I'd be all for booting these teams out of the league. Most of my leagues are friend leagues so I might give the warning they got but when strangers and money involved, things have to be ruled better. Just shocked anyone would try this but I guess people will do anything to see if they can get away with it.

 

[ghostguy123]

Doesn't look like they tried to get away with anything, they are just both cluless

 

[eighsse2]

I'm very much trying to win now, so I hate losing two high volume veteran RB's.

If you draft RBs to replace them, you've likely got absolutely no production issues. Bijan plugs right into a starting role most likely, and though it might take a bit of time for the 2.01 to ascend to workhorse status, Jones isn't a workhorse and Mixon's scoring is erratic. Your 2.01 might be productive sooner than you think and the other backs you have should make up for it (depending on league parameters and requirements -- I'm assuming a 2RB PPR league that isn't SF).

Overall, this is good work.

Agreed - land the presumed MIA starter at 2.01 and it’s a Jackpot. For one hypothetical example.

This might be the best time to be RB-needy, with a lot of inexpensive FA & a draft class loaded with them.

Also worth noting that @eighsse2 mentioned he also still has the 1.8 and 1.9, so even more dart throws to find another rookie RB.
nice trades to get the 1.1 though!

True, the only thing is that my league is nuts for RB's (as mentioned in some thread recently, 10 of the first 11 picks last year were RB's). So if I'm going RB with, say, 2 of those picks at #8, #9, and #13, they're probably going to be 6th or 7th RB on my list at best. The way I'm seeing it though, aside from major changes due to combine, draft, etc, RB3-RB12 is as small a margin as I've ever seen. So hopefully those are good places to get decent, not great, RB prospects. Feels like it could be similar in overall prospect expectations to the Kamara/Jamaal Williams/Foreman/Perine tier from 2017.

 

[Blick]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

That’s really, really difficult. Give me Moore/ABJ/1.02 by a hair. Feels like a little more value - it’s a big drop from 1.02 to 1.11

I’m assuming SF, but even if not, i still think I like the AJB side.

But it’s reaaaaaaaaaaaly close and depending on the day, my mood, and the position of the moon I might take the Olave /Walker side.

 

[eighsse2]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

Leaving toward Walker side... But hard to decide. Definitely want AJ over Olave. Would rather have Walker than the presumed Gibbs, only based on proven versus unproven. And obviously the 1.11 over Elijah. The more I think, the more I lean toward the Walker side.

 

[jm192]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

I think it's super close.

I'd want AJ Brown over Olave
Walker over 1.02 (assume Gibbs), but it's closer than the receivers.
And then 1.11 over Moore

Brown's the most elite guy in the trade, I think give me that.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

That’s really, really difficult. Give me Moore/ABJ/1.02 by a hair. Feels like a little more value - it’s a big drop from 1.02 to 1.11

I’m assuming SF, but even if not, i still think I like the AJB side.

But it’s reaaaaaaaaaaaly close and depending on the day, my mood, and the position of the moon I might take the Olave /Walker side.

You should probably always assume it's NOT superflex unless specified

 

[ghostguy123]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

I think give me Walker side. Walker and AJB a push, Olave and pick 2 a push. I don't care for Elijah at all anymore

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

That’s really, really difficult. Give me Moore/ABJ/1.02 by a hair. Feels like a little more value - it’s a big drop from 1.02 to 1.11

I’m assuming SF, but even if not, i still think I like the AJB side.

But it’s reaaaaaaaaaaaly close and depending on the day, my mood, and the position of the moon I might take the Olave /Walker side.

You should probably always assume it's NOT superflex unless specified

It’s a very popular fornat.

My point there was that I can’t assume anything since they didn’t say it, so I assumed one, then commented on the other as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

I think it's super close.

I'd want AJ Brown over Olave
Walker over 1.02 (assume Gibbs), but it's closer than the receivers.
And then 1.11 over Moore

Brown's the most elite guy in the trade, I think give me that.

The bolded is what did it for me as well.

Also I’m of the opinion that SEA will bring in a receiving RB. I like Walker - I don’t love Walker.

 

[Blick]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

That’s really, really difficult. Give me Moore/ABJ/1.02 by a hair. Feels like a little more value - it’s a big drop from 1.02 to 1.11

I’m assuming SF, but even if not, i still think I like the AJB side.

But it’s reaaaaaaaaaaaly close and depending on the day, my mood, and the position of the moon I might take the Olave /Walker side.

You should probably always assume it's NOT superflex unless specified

It’s a very popular fornat.

My point there was that I can’t assume anything since they didn’t say it, so I assumed one, then commented on the other as well.

Sorry. 1 QB.

 

[menobrown]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

I would hate if someone made me any side of this offer and forced me to have to mull it over.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

I would hate if someone made me any side of this offer and forced me to have to mull it over.

Just remember, ever trade you reject is like making the exact same trade in reverse.
G'night everybody

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sorry. 1 QB.

No worries, I like the deal in either format. I actually like it more in 1 QB because 1.02 becomes quite a bit more valuable & widens the gap to 1.11 for lack of 3-4 picks going between.

1.02 is Gibbs or WR1 of the class in 1 QB, wheras 1.11 is more like a SF 2nd rounder.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just remember, ever trade you reject is like making the exact same trade in reverse.

That’s actually pretty deep. Bravo.

 

[ghostguy123]

Sorry. 1 QB.

No worries, I like the deal in either format. I actually like it more in 1 QB because 1.02 becomes quite a bit more valuable & widens the gap to 1.11 for lack of 3-4 picks going between.

1.02 is Gibbs or WR1 of the class in 1 QB, wheras 1.11 is more like a SF 2nd rounder.

This needs to be unpacked.
Pick 2 is more valuable THIS year in 1 QB when comparing with pick 11??
It would seem in SF this year that pick 2 is almost as golden as pick 1

 

[Birdie048]

12 Team PPR Blockbuster

Olave/Walker/1.11
for
AJB/1.02/Elijah Moore

Like the others posted… very close!
But I lean slightly to Olave/Walker side
I like AJB but with a new RB there could be reduction in targets, plus new OC added to the mesh
I think Olave will be Top 12 if the QB is resolved.
But I agree, if offered that it would be brutal to decide either way!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sorry. 1 QB.

No worries, I like the deal in either format. I actually like it more in 1 QB because 1.02 becomes quite a bit more valuable & widens the gap to 1.11 for lack of 3-4 picks going between.

1.02 is Gibbs or WR1 of the class in 1 QB, wheras 1.11 is more like a SF 2nd rounder.

This needs to be unpacked.
Pick 2 is more valuable THIS year in 1 QB when comparing with pick 11??
It would seem in SF this year that pick 2 is almost as golden as pick 1

It’s closer in 1 QB because you can get an elite QB at 1.02, yes.

In 1 QB, there’s a wider gap between 1.02 and 1.11 - what’s to unpack?

 

[ghostguy123]

Sorry. 1 QB.

No worries, I like the deal in either format. I actually like it more in 1 QB because 1.02 becomes quite a bit more valuable & widens the gap to 1.11 for lack of 3-4 picks going between.

1.02 is Gibbs or WR1 of the class in 1 QB, wheras 1.11 is more like a SF 2nd rounder.

This needs to be unpacked.
Pick 2 is more valuable THIS year in 1 QB when comparing with pick 11??
It would seem in SF this year that pick 2 is almost as golden as pick 1

It’s closer in 1 QB because you can get an elite QB at 1.02, yes.

In 1 QB, there’s a wider gap between 1.02 and 1.11 - what’s to unpack?

I don't agree with you about the gap between 2-11 in one QB, not this year.

 

[ghostguy123]

Just remember, ever trade you reject is like making the exact same trade in reverse.

That’s actually pretty deep. Bravo.

It's a great way to evaluate trades.

 

[Blick]

I like AJB over Olave at least in the near term. There’s no way to know what Olave’s QB situation will be. Given NOs lack of draft capital and salary cap space, I can’t imagine it gets significantly better.

The main reason I made this trade is because I don’t think Walker’s value ever gets higher. Everything fell into place for him with the Penny injury. He’ll be splitting carries next year with someone. Plus he hasn’t been used in the passing game.

1.11 is probably a full round ahead of Moore’s value. As soon as Rodgers or Carr sign with the Jets, I’ll be moving him.

As usual, I’ll probably be completely wrong and Walker/Olave will be league winners.

 

[BigAl21]

1QB, FFPC

took over an orphan
Gave: Schultz, Kirk
Got: Kittle

Not a believer in Schultz talent or Kirk with Ridley now in town.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1QB, FFPC

took over an orphan
Gave: Schultz, Kirk
Got: Kittle

Not a believer in Schultz talent or Kirk with Ridley now in town.

I don’t love it. Kittle is older - Kirk is a little underrated. Schultz should have value.

If you’re right on both counts, Kittle could be a bump, but he’s not without risk. QB questions, age, injury history.

Best of luck.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

I can’t believe it was a warning, and not an immediate expulsion from the league for both teams. Such obvious collusion. Also so abundantly illegal from any standpoint.

Yeah, seems obviously bad for the competitive balance of the league.
I've offered money to swap draft positions in a startup. Not quite the same thing though

What? That is EXACTLY the same thing. The only difference is severity. It is the exact definition of collusion to offer/accept $$$ for any kid of advantage in the game.

 

[ghostguy123]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

I can’t believe it was a warning, and not an immediate expulsion from the league for both teams. Such obvious collusion. Also so abundantly illegal from any standpoint.

Yeah, seems obviously bad for the competitive balance of the league.
I've offered money to swap draft positions in a startup. Not quite the same thing though

What? That is EXACTLY the same thing. The only difference is severity. It is the exact definition of collusion to offer/accept $$$ for any kid of advantage in the game.

What is the advantage?
There was no competitive balance advantage or disadvantage for the league whatsoever.
When you do a startup draft you draw a draft slot right? It's nothing more than swapping draft positions, as in EVERY pick.
If you think it's the same in any way perhaps you aren't understanding the scenario.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

I can’t believe it was a warning, and not an immediate expulsion from the league for both teams. Such obvious collusion. Also so abundantly illegal from any standpoint.

Yeah, seems obviously bad for the competitive balance of the league.
I've offered money to swap draft positions in a startup. Not quite the same thing though

What? That is EXACTLY the same thing. The only difference is severity. It is the exact definition of collusion to offer/accept $$$ for any kid of advantage in the game.

What is the advantage?
There was no competitive balance advantage or disadvantage for the league whatsoever.
When you do a startup draft you draw a draft slot right? It's nothing more than swapping draft positions, as in EVERY pick.
If you think it's the same in any way perhaps you aren't understanding the scenario.

Whether the advantage is real or perceived is inconsequential. The bottom line is that external influence (in this case money) for an in game benefit is collusion, plain and simple.

Also, if you didn't think it was advantageous, you wouldn't have paid money for it.

 

[ghostguy123]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

I can’t believe it was a warning, and not an immediate expulsion from the league for both teams. Such obvious collusion. Also so abundantly illegal from any standpoint.

Yeah, seems obviously bad for the competitive balance of the league.
I've offered money to swap draft positions in a startup. Not quite the same thing though

What? That is EXACTLY the same thing. The only difference is severity. It is the exact definition of collusion to offer/accept $$$ for any kid of advantage in the game.

What is the advantage?
There was no competitive balance advantage or disadvantage for the league whatsoever.
When you do a startup draft you draw a draft slot right? It's nothing more than swapping draft positions, as in EVERY pick.
If you think it's the same in any way perhaps you aren't understanding the scenario.

Whether the advantage is real or perceived is inconsequential. The bottom line is that external influence (in this case money) for an in game benefit is collusion, plain and simple.

Also, if you didn't think it was advantageous, you wouldn't have paid money for it.

Then the entire league set up where draft slots are drawn is a competitive imbalance.

 

[Lehigh98]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

I can’t believe it was a warning, and not an immediate expulsion from the league for both teams. Such obvious collusion. Also so abundantly illegal from any standpoint.

Yeah, seems obviously bad for the competitive balance of the league.
I've offered money to swap draft positions in a startup. Not quite the same thing though

What? That is EXACTLY the same thing. The only difference is severity. It is the exact definition of collusion to offer/accept $$$ for any kid of advantage in the game.

What is the advantage?
There was no competitive balance advantage or disadvantage for the league whatsoever.
When you do a startup draft you draw a draft slot right? It's nothing more than swapping draft positions, as in EVERY pick.
If you think it's the same in any way perhaps you aren't understanding the scenario.

Whether the advantage is real or perceived is inconsequential. The bottom line is that external influence (in this case money) for an in game benefit is collusion, plain and simple.

Also, if you didn't think it was advantageous, you wouldn't have paid money for it.

Then the entire league set up where draft slots are drawn is a competitive imbalance.

If it's random it's not.

 

[ghostguy123]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

I can’t believe it was a warning, and not an immediate expulsion from the league for both teams. Such obvious collusion. Also so abundantly illegal from any standpoint.

Yeah, seems obviously bad for the competitive balance of the league.
I've offered money to swap draft positions in a startup. Not quite the same thing though

What? That is EXACTLY the same thing. The only difference is severity. It is the exact definition of collusion to offer/accept $$$ for any kid of advantage in the game.

What is the advantage?
There was no competitive balance advantage or disadvantage for the league whatsoever.
When you do a startup draft you draw a draft slot right? It's nothing more than swapping draft positions, as in EVERY pick.
If you think it's the same in any way perhaps you aren't understanding the scenario.

Whether the advantage is real or perceived is inconsequential. The bottom line is that external influence (in this case money) for an in game benefit is collusion, plain and simple.

Also, if you didn't think it was advantageous, you wouldn't have paid money for it.

Then the entire league set up where draft slots are drawn is a competitive imbalance.

If it's random it's not.

I agree.
Just like I agree swapping draft slots with someone does nothing to the competitive balance of the league, whether the swap was free of charge or money was involved.

 

[ghostguy123]

What if you are in league with a fried of yours who has a roster you like a lot more, and you pay him to swap teams/rosters/ownership with you?
I imagine that is rare, but I would see zero problem with this as no competitive advantage is given to a team.

 

[Lehigh98]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

I can’t believe it was a warning, and not an immediate expulsion from the league for both teams. Such obvious collusion. Also so abundantly illegal from any standpoint.

Yeah, seems obviously bad for the competitive balance of the league.
I've offered money to swap draft positions in a startup. Not quite the same thing though

What? That is EXACTLY the same thing. The only difference is severity. It is the exact definition of collusion to offer/accept $$$ for any kid of advantage in the game.

What is the advantage?
There was no competitive balance advantage or disadvantage for the league whatsoever.
When you do a startup draft you draw a draft slot right? It's nothing more than swapping draft positions, as in EVERY pick.
If you think it's the same in any way perhaps you aren't understanding the scenario.

Whether the advantage is real or perceived is inconsequential. The bottom line is that external influence (in this case money) for an in game benefit is collusion, plain and simple.

Also, if you didn't think it was advantageous, you wouldn't have paid money for it.

Then the entire league set up where draft slots are drawn is a competitive imbalance.

If it's random it's not.

I agree.
Just like I agree swapping draft slots with someone does nothing to the competitive balance of the league, whether the swap was free of charge or money was involved.

I see your point and it's an interesting discussion. But I think any outside influence (not related to league assets) can lead to problems. This would be a good offseason topic to post on its own for discussion. I think like anything, it comes down to what the individual league and managers want to allow.

 

[eighsse2]

What if you are in league with a fried of yours who has a roster you like a lot more, and you pay him to swap teams/rosters/ownership with you?
I imagine that is rare, but I would see zero problem with this as no competitive advantage is given to a team.

I was with you mostly on the swapping draft slots. We're talking about a snake draft obviously. Which is intended to minimize the advantage of any one slot over another. So, it's only a one-shot deal in the setup of the league, and there isn't supposed to be any advantage. Still a little sketchy but I wouldn't complain about it.

But swapping teams for money is exactly like trading players for money. Anyone can swap teams if they want. But not for money.

I assume you're envisioning two fairly equal teams. Then it seems more benign, but I don't think it's right. On the other hand, imagine the best team in the league trading with the worst team for some large sum of money. Totally collusion.

 

[Crippler]

Some ugliness from terrible owner who has a 24-86 record over 5 seasons

15 team, Superflex, IDP, TE premium. 5 pts per TD pass

league opens up with MFL. Day 1, I do reports on all teams


Lance,, #2, Perine, Dotson Doubs, Shakir, Wright, Slye, 5, 11, 14
Thibodeaux, Hayward, Godchaux, Watt, Chenal,#32, Stingley, Surtain, Hyde, Bradberry
#28, 42

This team needs rookies to step up plus extra to stand a chance at even remotely sniffing playoffs. 2024 only brings extra 3rd. Needs Trey to take big step. Needs to find reliable #1 RB. His TE looks replaceable and Shakir also. Too much talk of Buffalo drafting WR to dent Shakir value. Same with Packers and Doubs. And every Draft pick can’t be Ruggs or can’t wait like Tua to develop. Even though best bet is to acquire more picks. Even if punted to future years. 1.5 for 2024 @ 25 1st plus type of deal. Really in running for 24 1st overall at this point. Hello Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Quinn Ewers,
Treyveon Henderson, Braelon Allen, Donovan Edwards, Will Shipley, Marvin Harrison Jr, Xavier Worthy, Mario Williams, Brock Bowers, Michael Trigg. The idea is to rank drafts together and determine how you can acquire as many players as possible which is usually kicking can down the road. Even the D needs more than picks can provide. Time to trade Watt as he is great LB but age is factor when this team might be ready to compete

proceeds to do 2 trades. #1 okay, #2 to be lambasted.

#1. gives 11, 42
Gets Mac Jones

#2 Gives pick #2(#1 is going QB, so Bijan Robinson)
Gets Terry McLaurin, Daniel Bellinger, Kaden Ellis

 

[eighsse2]

What if you are in league with a fried of yours who has a roster you like a lot more, and you pay him to swap teams/rosters/ownership with you?
I imagine that is rare, but I would see zero problem with this as no competitive advantage is given to a team.

I was with you mostly on the swapping draft slots. We're talking about a snake draft obviously. Which is intended to minimize the advantage of any one slot over another. So, it's only a one-shot deal in the setup of the league, and there isn't supposed to be any advantage. Still a little sketchy but I wouldn't complain about it.

But swapping teams for money is exactly like trading players for money. Anyone can swap teams if they want. But not for money.

I assume you're envisioning two fairly equal teams. Then it seems more benign, but I don't think it's right. On the other hand, imagine the best team in the league trading with the worst team for some large sum of money. Totally collusion.

The more I think about it, maybe collusion isn't the right word here. But someone could be farming up a good team just to sell it for cash.

 

[eighsse2]

Some ugliness from terrible owner who has a 24-86 record over 5 seasons

15 team, Superflex, IDP, TE premium. 5 pts per TD pass

league opens up with MFL. Day 1, I do reports on all teams


Lance,, #2, Perine, Dotson Doubs, Shakir, Wright, Slye, 5, 11, 14
Thibodeaux, Hayward, Godchaux, Watt, Chenal,#32, Stingley, Surtain, Hyde, Bradberry
#28, 42

This team needs rookies to step up plus extra to stand a chance at even remotely sniffing playoffs. 2024 only brings extra 3rd. Needs Trey to take big step. Needs to find reliable #1 RB. His TE looks replaceable and Shakir also. Too much talk of Buffalo drafting WR to dent Shakir value. Same with Packers and Doubs. And every Draft pick can’t be Ruggs or can’t wait like Tua to develop. Even though best bet is to acquire more picks. Even if punted to future years. 1.5 for 2024 @ 25 1st plus type of deal. Really in running for 24 1st overall at this point. Hello Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Quinn Ewers,
Treyveon Henderson, Braelon Allen, Donovan Edwards, Will Shipley, Marvin Harrison Jr, Xavier Worthy, Mario Williams, Brock Bowers, Michael Trigg. The idea is to rank drafts together and determine how you can acquire as many players as possible which is usually kicking can down the road. Even the D needs more than picks can provide. Time to trade Watt as he is great LB but age is factor when this team might be ready to compete

proceeds to do 2 trades. #1 okay, #2 to be lambasted.

#1. gives 11, 42
Gets Mac Jones

#2 Gives pick #2(#1 is going QB, so Bijan Robinson)
Gets Terry McLaurin, Daniel Bellinger, Kaden Ellis

Ouch... I mean ... #1 pick can say anything right now, he could still end up going Bijan. But even if that were to happen, ouch.

 

[ghostguy123]

What if you are in league with a fried of yours who has a roster you like a lot more, and you pay him to swap teams/rosters/ownership with you?
I imagine that is rare, but I would see zero problem with this as no competitive advantage is given to a team.

I was with you mostly on the swapping draft slots. We're talking about a snake draft obviously. Which is intended to minimize the advantage of any one slot over another. So, it's only a one-shot deal in the setup of the league, and there isn't supposed to be any advantage. Still a little sketchy but I wouldn't complain about it.

But swapping teams for money is exactly like trading players for money. Anyone can swap teams if they want. But not for money.

I assume you're envisioning two fairly equal teams. Then it seems more benign, but I don't think it's right. On the other hand, imagine the best team in the league trading with the worst team for some large sum of money. Totally collusion.

Swapping teams for money is absolutely NOTHING like trading players for money.

 

[Lehigh98]

This was a new one.

In an FFPC dynasty (1QB, although not sure it matters), Team A traded the 5.04 pick to Team B for the 1.01. I figured this was one of those "what would you want for the 1.01?" fake offers that the other guy accidentally accepted. Nope! Team A (who took over an orphan team in January) said he offered to pay the buy-in and deposit of Team B (brand new to the league) in exchange for the 1.01, and the deal was accepted. FFPC commish reversed it and said this was obviously illegal and warned the teams they'd be out if they ever tried anything like that again. (Team A apologized and claimed he received a similar offer in another FFPC league and supposedly had no idea it wasn't allowed. I have no idea how anyone would think one team could just pay cash for another team's draft pick.)

I can’t believe it was a warning, and not an immediate expulsion from the league for both teams. Such obvious collusion. Also so abundantly illegal from any standpoint.

Yeah, seems obviously bad for the competitive balance of the league.
I've offered money to swap draft positions in a startup. Not quite the same thing though

What? That is EXACTLY the same thing. The only difference is severity. It is the exact definition of collusion to offer/accept $$$ for any kid of advantage in the game.

What is the advantage?
There was no competitive balance advantage or disadvantage for the league whatsoever.
When you do a startup draft you draw a draft slot right? It's nothing more than swapping draft positions, as in EVERY pick.
If you think it's the same in any way perhaps you aren't understanding the scenario.

Whether the advantage is real or perceived is inconsequential. The bottom line is that external influence (in this case money) for an in game benefit is collusion, plain and simple.

Also, if you didn't think it was advantageous, you wouldn't have paid money for it.

Then the entire league set up where draft slots are drawn is a competitive imbalance.

If it's random it's not.

I agree.
Just like I agree swapping draft slots with someone does nothing to the competitive balance of the league, whether the swap was free of charge or money was involved.

I see your point and it's an interesting discussion. But I think any outside influence (not related to league assets) can lead to problems. This would be a good offseason topic to post on its own for discussion. I think like anything, it comes down to what the individual league and managers want to allow.

BTW, I just went in and updated / clarified our league rules about this.
No matter how many years I've been doing this, there's always something that pops up.

 

[ghostguy123]

What if you are in league with a fried of yours who has a roster you like a lot more, and you pay him to swap teams/rosters/ownership with you?
I imagine that is rare, but I would see zero problem with this as no competitive advantage is given to a team.

I was with you mostly on the swapping draft slots. We're talking about a snake draft obviously. Which is intended to minimize the advantage of any one slot over another. So, it's only a one-shot deal in the setup of the league, and there isn't supposed to be any advantage. Still a little sketchy but I wouldn't complain about it.

But swapping teams for money is exactly like trading players for money. Anyone can swap teams if they want. But not for money.

I assume you're envisioning two fairly equal teams. Then it seems more benign, but I don't think it's right. On the other hand, imagine the best team in the league trading with the worst team for some large sum of money. Totally collusion.

The more I think about it, maybe collusion isn't the right word here. But someone could be farming up a good team just to sell it for cash.

Yeah, it sure as hell isn't collusion.
Gonna start another thread. Seems like a fun discussion.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What if you are in league with a fried of yours who has a roster you like a lot more, and you pay him to swap teams/rosters/ownership with you?
I imagine that is rare, but I would see zero problem with this as no competitive advantage is given to a team.

I think any compensation between two teams that other teams don’t have access / opportunity for is out of bounds.

In the redraft I commission i would never allow the selling of a randomly drawn draft spot, for example.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

What if you are in league with a fried of yours who has a roster you like a lot more, and you pay him to swap teams/rosters/ownership with you?
I imagine that is rare, but I would see zero problem with this as no competitive advantage is given to a team.

I think any compensation between two teams that other teams don’t have access / opportunity for is out of bounds.

In the redraft I commission i would never allow the selling of a randomly drawn draft spot, for example.

Agreed. I wouldn't allow it in any of the leagues I commish. I'd have to have a serious discussion with the two owners even if money were not involved. But the cash transaction seals the deal for me that it's out of bounds.

 

[ghostguy123]

What if you are in league with a fried of yours who has a roster you like a lot more, and you pay him to swap teams/rosters/ownership with you?
I imagine that is rare, but I would see zero problem with this as no competitive advantage is given to a team.

I think any compensation between two teams that other teams don’t have access / opportunity for is out of bounds.

In the redraft I commission i would never allow the selling of a randomly drawn draft spot, for example.

Fair enough, but I never said other teams didn't have an opportunity. Let's say the guy who drew the #1 spot was auctioning off the slot to the highest bidder, and swapping spots with them.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'd have to have a serious discussion with the two owners even if money were not involved.

If there isn't money involved why would it matter if teams swapped draft slots (in a start-up)? I've seen it done before in redraft leagues.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

proceeds to do 2 trades. #1 okay, #2 to be lambasted.

#1. gives 11, 42
Gets Mac Jones

#2 Gives pick #2(#1 is going QB, so Bijan Robinson)
Gets Terry McLaurin, Daniel Bellinger, Kaden Ellis

Maybe I don’t fully understand the premise here. There was a lot of exposition and I don’t think I quite followed all of it.

So he traded to get Mac Jones, kinda meh, but in SF, picks 11 & 42 aren’t terrible value I agree.

The 2nd deal he’s giving pick 1.02 for TMC, Bellinger & Ellis?

That’s not good, even in TE-P

Q: how do you know 1.02 is Bijan and not a QB?

Bad trades are often how bad teams stay bad. It sucks because another team will be a beneficiary of that bad trade.