****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (15 Viewers)

[Dr. Octopus]

My own personal viewpoint is Elijah Moore will outproduce Dotson next year

Watson v Howell alone should make this statement a lot less controversial than it is. You’re right, people forget that Moore actually looked just as good, if not better than Dotson when comparing rookie years. Last season was a disaster for him for many reasons - some his own doing - but I doubt the kid forgot how the play just because Zach Wilson couldn’t get him the ball.

 

[sheerterror]

12tm 1QB

Courtland Sutton, DJ Chark, John Metchie
FOR
Terry McLaurin

I'd gladly pay that for Terry.

 

[menobrown]

My own personal viewpoint is Elijah Moore will outproduce Dotson next year

Watson v Howell alone should make this statement a lot less controversial than it is. You’re right, people forget that Moore actually looked just as good, if not better than Dotson when comparing rookie years. Last season was a disaster for him for many reasons - some his own doing - but I doubt the kid forgot how the play just because Zach Wilson couldn’t get him the ball.

Thanks, you summed up my thoughts well.

I'd just add to the credit of people here that I don't think anyone treated that comment as controversial, nor the comment I made in another thread where I said something similar regarding Moore vs Zay Flowers. I'm sure most don't agree with me, but I don't feel like anyone was calling me opinion "nuts" or anything.

 

[ghostguy123]

My own personal viewpoint is Elijah Moore will outproduce Dotson next year

Watson v Howell alone should make this statement a lot less controversial than it is. You’re right, people forget that Moore actually looked just as good, if not better than Dotson when comparing rookie years. Last season was a disaster for him for many reasons - some his own doing - but I doubt the kid forgot how the play just because Zach Wilson couldn’t get him the ball.

Thanks, you summed up my thoughts well.

I'd just add to the credit of people here that I don't think anyone treated that comment as controversial, nor the comment I made in another thread where I said something similar regarding Moore vs Zay Flowers. I'm sure most don't agree with me, but I don't feel like anyone was calling me opinion "nuts" or anything.

It seems VERY reasonable to say Moore will outscore Dotson this year.

 

[JohnnyU]

My own personal viewpoint is Elijah Moore will outproduce Dotson next year

Watson v Howell alone should make this statement a lot less controversial than it is. You’re right, people forget that Moore actually looked just as good, if not better than Dotson when comparing rookie years. Last season was a disaster for him for many reasons - some his own doing - but I doubt the kid forgot how the play just because Zach Wilson couldn’t get him the ball.

Thanks, you summed up my thoughts well.

I'd just add to the credit of people here that I don't think anyone treated that comment as controversial, nor the comment I made in another thread where I said something similar regarding Moore vs Zay Flowers. I'm sure most don't agree with me, but I don't feel like anyone was calling me opinion "nuts" or anything.

It seems VERY reasonable to say Moore will outscore Dotson this year.

Based on what? Moore hasn't exactly endeared himself to NFL play and I saw Dotson have some shining moments in his first year. It's not like the commanders have had great QB play either. Plus, Dotson doesn't come with the baggage that Moore comes with.

 

[ghostguy123]

My own personal viewpoint is Elijah Moore will outproduce Dotson next year

Watson v Howell alone should make this statement a lot less controversial than it is. You’re right, people forget that Moore actually looked just as good, if not better than Dotson when comparing rookie years. Last season was a disaster for him for many reasons - some his own doing - but I doubt the kid forgot how the play just because Zach Wilson couldn’t get him the ball.

Thanks, you summed up my thoughts well.

I'd just add to the credit of people here that I don't think anyone treated that comment as controversial, nor the comment I made in another thread where I said something similar regarding Moore vs Zay Flowers. I'm sure most don't agree with me, but I don't feel like anyone was calling me opinion "nuts" or anything.

It seems VERY reasonable to say Moore will outscore Dotson this year.

Based on what? Moore hasn't exactly endeared himself to NFL play and I saw Dotson have some shining moments in his first year. It's not like the commanders have had great QB play either. Plus, Dotson doesn't come with the baggage that Moore comes with.

Because Moore is a talented guy who has shown he can play, and has a good QB throwing to him.
I like Dotson more and prefer Dotson over Moore in any format, but it wouldn't even cross my mind to be surprised if Moore outscores Dotson.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I saw Dotson have some shining moments in his first year.

So did Moore despite playing with this stellar group of QBs: Zach Wilson, Mike White, Joe Flacco and Josh Johnson.

Rookie year stats:
43-538-5
35-523-7

Are one of those stat-lines so much better?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I like Dotson more and prefer Dotson over Moore in any format

Yes, I have them both on one of my teams. If I was forced to drop one (and had no other choice), I'd keep Dotson - but it's not really so cut and dried.

 

[menobrown]

My own personal viewpoint is Elijah Moore will outproduce Dotson next year

Watson v Howell alone should make this statement a lot less controversial than it is. You’re right, people forget that Moore actually looked just as good, if not better than Dotson when comparing rookie years. Last season was a disaster for him for many reasons - some his own doing - but I doubt the kid forgot how the play just because Zach Wilson couldn’t get him the ball.

Thanks, you summed up my thoughts well.

I'd just add to the credit of people here that I don't think anyone treated that comment as controversial, nor the comment I made in another thread where I said something similar regarding Moore vs Zay Flowers. I'm sure most don't agree with me, but I don't feel like anyone was calling me opinion "nuts" or anything.

It seems VERY reasonable to say Moore will outscore Dotson this year.

Based on what? Moore hasn't exactly endeared himself to NFL play and I saw Dotson have some shining moments in his first year. It's not like the commanders have had great QB play either. Plus, Dotson doesn't come with the baggage that Moore comes with.

Dotson had some shining moments his rookie season. Moore spent the last 6 weeks of his rookie season as the 8th best WR in fantasy and he has now taken a massive QB upgrade.

FWIW I own Dotson on two teams, Moore on one but those entry fees are not equal and it's fair to say I'm exactly 5x to 1 more invested in Dotson then Moore. I got Moore rated over him next year, got them equal in general. Like both, but one got out of QB hell and the other is stuck in it.

 

[barackdhouse]

To restate my own take here, I agree that on talent and situation, Moore and Dotson are pretty close. I actually like Howell quite a bit more than anything else they've thrown out there, but obviously Watson has the big edge there. I'm also bullish on Eric Bieniemy becoming the new OC in Washington whereas I expect Cleveland to still be a run first squad. I think Cooper still dominates targets but Moore has a very real chance to take over as the alpha there (and I'm hoping he does).

I like Moore a lot actually but I like Dotson just a smidge more. In terms of market value it isn't very close though. Today. And it may very well be because of overinflated reasons for Dotson and overdeflated reasons for Moore.

 

[steelcityman]

I'd rather have Dotson, I think Moore gets pushed to 3rd-4th WR role in Cleveland, and they stink, just rotten to the core franchise, so its really not a good place to be.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

14 team PPR, TE 1.5

Someone gave up 1.01 for ETN and 1.11

I really wish the guy that has 1.01 in my league would take something like that for him. He is pretty much not trading Bijan (as he shouldn't) unless he gets massively overpaid and this isn't even close to that.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I'd rather have Dotson, I think Moore gets pushed to 3rd-4th WR role in Cleveland, and they stink, just rotten to the core franchise, so its really not a good place to be.

First, I will say that I agree that Dotson is more valuable than Moore (maybe not if DPJ was gone) but I think Cleveland showed when Watson started playing that they weren't going to be just a ground & pound team. I think Chubb went from RB5 with Brissett and was like RB15 or 16 with Watson for that reason so not sure that will hold.

Also, I totally agree that Cleveland is a terrible franchise but I would say Washington isn't a ton better with that owner and a sale coming. Plus, a much worse QB and they just paid Scary Terry where as Cleveland can move on from Cooper after this year. I like Dotson over Moore but I think Dotson's value is also super inflated right now for unknown reasons.

 

[steelcityman]

True, WASH is bad too. But I think WASH realizes they are bad and try to get better even with that clown owner, whereas the Browns think they won the last 5 super bowls and have Watson and Garrett so they will win another one. I kinda like Howell there, he'll never get the hype Watson does, but he might be damn close to him in final fantasy rankings come end of season if, BIG IF, things start to turn around for WASH, maybe helped by new OC.

 

[ghostguy123]

Elijah Moore was dropped in one of my FFPC standard leagues. Before being traded.
Cmon

 

[BigAl21]

FFPC, 1 QB, this is an orphan I’m trying to turn into an instant playoff team. No good RBs on roster, some aging WR assets

Gave; 2024 1st, 3x 2nds
Got; Andrews, Jamaal Williams, DeShaun Watson, 4.08, 5.08, 6.08

Already have Trevor Lawrence but I’ll try to shop one and continue to upgrade if the right deal comes about

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC, 1 QB, this is an orphan I’m trying to turn into an instant playoff team. No good RBs on roster, some aging WR assets

Gave; 2024 1st, 3x 2nds
Got; Andrews, Jamaal Williams, DeShaun Watson, 4.08, 5.08, 6.08

Already have Trevor Lawrence but I’ll try to shop one and continue to upgrade if the right deal comes about

That's insanely great value for you

 

[efactor]

FFPC, 1 QB, this is an orphan I’m trying to turn into an instant playoff team. No good RBs on roster, some aging WR assets

Gave; 2024 1st, 3x 2nds
Got; Andrews, Jamaal Williams, DeShaun Watson, 4.08, 5.08, 6.08

Already have Trevor Lawrence but I’ll try to shop one and continue to upgrade if the right deal comes about

That's insanely great value for you

Yep

 

[menobrown]

I kinda like Howell there, he'll never get the hype Watson does, but he might be damn close to him in final fantasy rankings come end of season

Now that's an outlandish comment and also ties perfectly into what I was saying in another post about a lot of people in fantasy having short memories.

 

[wlwiles]

14 team PPR, TE 1.5

Someone gave up 1.01 for ETN and 1.11

I really wish the guy that has 1.01 in my league would take something like that for him. He is pretty much not trading Bijan (as he shouldn't) unless he gets massively overpaid and this isn't even close to that.

The 1.01 owner in my league is the good old-fashioned terrible team, but he's not blowing it up and rebuilding, just just drafts his 5 rookies every year and hopes for the best. He's 100% going to take Bijan, and he absolutely needs waaaaay more than one stud RB to turn his team around. Our entire league has sent him offers for the pick, offering him numerous firsts this year/next year, young players like ETN, older players like Chubb and Dalvin plus multiple picks, but he won't budge. Bijan is going to waste away on his roster and it depresses me.

/thread hijack.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I kinda like Howell there, he'll never get the hype Watson does, but he might be damn close to him in final fantasy rankings come end of season

Now that's an outlandish comment and also ties perfectly into what I was saying in another post about a lot of people in fantasy having short memories.

I agree that this seems nuts to me. Watson will be a top 10 QB that could push towards top 5 (we have seen it before and on a bad team). Howell seems like a guy that would be lucky to get in to the top 15-18 and could fight to keep his job all season long.

 

[barackdhouse]

I kinda like Howell there, he'll never get the hype Watson does, but he might be damn close to him in final fantasy rankings come end of season

Now that's an outlandish comment and also ties perfectly into what I was saying in another post about a lot of people in fantasy having short memories.

He said 'might'. I don't think the Washington offense finishing with better passing numbers than Cleveland would be surprising in the least. Of course the rushing with Watson more than cancels out that best-case scenario for Howell believers. But what memory is there to be short about? We're only projecting with Howell. Of course Watson is good but all it would take is just a little underperforming and he finishes ~QB15 and if Howell just overperforms a little then it really isn't so nuts.

But there is a big difference between predicting something will happen and saying it 'might' happen. Lots of NFL clubs passed on Howell. It would be a longshot for sure.

 

[Birdie048]

Part of the problem is there is a wide range of league formats and varying values due to this difference.
I am owner of the 1.01 in my rebuild. I have received a few offers, but none that make me stop to really consider it.
While the 1.01 in most "Trade Charts" or calculators can give you a gauge or value goal in making a deal, you have to be happy with it.
Getting ETN & 1.11 is not worthy of the ROI in my view. I would need more. This is not horrible as a starting point, but I would want another key piece.
Maybe they are happy with ETN and maybe he is Top tier RB this year. But the 1.11 is so hit or miss and unlikely to be a key factor in the deal it looks out of place.

Trading away a valuable asset is part of the goal of acquiring more assets. Sometimes you have to look at more ugly offers to get a good package.

 

[menobrown]

I kinda like Howell there, he'll never get the hype Watson does, but he might be damn close to him in final fantasy rankings come end of season

Now that's an outlandish comment and also ties perfectly into what I was saying in another post about a lot of people in fantasy having short memories.

He said 'might'. I don't think the Washington offense finishing with better passing numbers than Cleveland would be surprising in the least. Of course the rushing with Watson more than cancels out that best-case scenario for Howell believers. But what memory is there to be short about? We're only projecting with Howell. Of course Watson is good but all it would take is just a little underperforming and he finishes ~QB15 and if Howell just overperforms a little then it really isn't so nuts.

But there is a big difference between predicting something will happen and saying it 'might' happen. Lots of NFL clubs passed on Howell. It would be a longshot for sure.

I'll double down. It was outlandish on two fronts. We can breakdown the word "might" all day but no justifiable reason for it. The second part is he seemed to indicate Watson is a product of hype. He's within a fraction of a point of putting up 25 fantasy points a game in his career. His career average coming into this season was over 25 fantasy points. You have stated you think Cleveland is a run first offense and I'm not so sure that's the case any longer. Stefanski is on record a few times this off-season saying he wants a more pass friendly offense, I think it's what fueled some Chubb trade talk speculation-which was unfounded. Now people can say it's coach talk but I believe him and secondly when Watson was putting up over 25 fantasy points he game he was doing so on just 32 pass attempts, a number which would have put the Browns at #21 or #22 in the league last year. My point is he's never needed to be a high volume passer. He's actually been one of the most efficient passers in the league since he arrived.

I don't share the enthusiasm on Howell. Or Beiniemy's impact or the offense in general.

 

[barackdhouse]

I kinda like Howell there, he'll never get the hype Watson does, but he might be damn close to him in final fantasy rankings come end of season

Now that's an outlandish comment and also ties perfectly into what I was saying in another post about a lot of people in fantasy having short memories.

He said 'might'. I don't think the Washington offense finishing with better passing numbers than Cleveland would be surprising in the least. Of course the rushing with Watson more than cancels out that best-case scenario for Howell believers. But what memory is there to be short about? We're only projecting with Howell. Of course Watson is good but all it would take is just a little underperforming and he finishes ~QB15 and if Howell just overperforms a little then it really isn't so nuts.

But there is a big difference between predicting something will happen and saying it 'might' happen. Lots of NFL clubs passed on Howell. It would be a longshot for sure.

We can breakdown the word "might" all day but no justifiable reason for it.

I really can't get past this. The word 'might' doesn't need to be broken down all day. It just needs to be understood the first time.

 

[menobrown]

I kinda like Howell there, he'll never get the hype Watson does, but he might be damn close to him in final fantasy rankings come end of season

Now that's an outlandish comment and also ties perfectly into what I was saying in another post about a lot of people in fantasy having short memories.

He said 'might'. I don't think the Washington offense finishing with better passing numbers than Cleveland would be surprising in the least. Of course the rushing with Watson more than cancels out that best-case scenario for Howell believers. But what memory is there to be short about? We're only projecting with Howell. Of course Watson is good but all it would take is just a little underperforming and he finishes ~QB15 and if Howell just overperforms a little then it really isn't so nuts.

But there is a big difference between predicting something will happen and saying it 'might' happen. Lots of NFL clubs passed on Howell. It would be a longshot for sure.

We can breakdown the word "might" all day but no justifiable reason for it.

I really can't get past this. The word 'might' doesn't need to be broken down all day. It just needs to be understood the first time.

I think I understood it fine thanks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC, 1 QB, this is an orphan I’m trying to turn into an instant playoff team. No good RBs on roster, some aging WR assets

Gave; 2024 1st, 3x 2nds
Got; Andrews, Jamaal Williams, DeShaun Watson, 4.08, 5.08, 6.08

Already have Trevor Lawrence but I’ll try to shop one and continue to upgrade if the right deal comes about

I’m in disbelief you got all that for a 2024 1st & 3x 2nds. How’d you even get picks back? Incredible.

 

[Da Franchise]

Andrews = 1 & 2
Jamaal = 2
Watson = 2

Not that wild. I’d want to see the rest of the roster but that 1st could have a shot at 1.01 in FFPC rules if they don’t actually make playoffs.

I’m sorta down on Andrews, definitely down on Jamaal, and Watson…idk man. Was a huge fan before but I’m just not interested. I’ll need to actually see that one first to believe and probably means I’ll miss out if so. I’m fine with that.

Fine deal for me, just don’t really like the pieces.

 

[The Future Champs]

FFPC, 1 QB, this is an orphan I’m trying to turn into an instant playoff team. No good RBs on roster, some aging WR assets

Gave; 2024 1st, 3x 2nds
Got; Andrews, Jamaal Williams, DeShaun Watson, 4.08, 5.08, 6.08

Already have Trevor Lawrence but I’ll try to shop one and continue to upgrade if the right deal comes about

That's insanely great value for you

I'm going to guess that it was a stacked contender taking a gamble on an early 24 1st while shedding some roster slots ahead of cutdowns.

 

[Da Franchise]

FFPC, 1 QB, this is an orphan I’m trying to turn into an instant playoff team. No good RBs on roster, some aging WR assets

Gave; 2024 1st, 3x 2nds
Got; Andrews, Jamaal Williams, DeShaun Watson, 4.08, 5.08, 6.08

Already have Trevor Lawrence but I’ll try to shop one and continue to upgrade if the right deal comes about

That's insanely great value for you

I'm going to guess that it was a stacked contender taking a gamble on an early 24 1st while shedding some roster slots ahead of cutdowns.

That’s definitely possible. Rosters of the teams involved and really the dynamics of all the leagues rosters are important to analyze a trade like that.

I have one FFPC league where there are are 4 super teams including my own, 4 very meh teams competing for the other 2 playoff spots, and 4 absolute garbage teams. In a league like that it would make zero sense because the super teams are ridiculously stacked and even with injuries you just have no chance to climb over them in a given year.

On the other hand, there’s plenty of leagues where scooping up three vets like that can really make a difference and give you a chance to win.

I think it’s critical to do honest evaluations in FFPC. They’re structured to reduce luck and reward the best teams and by and large, that’s what happens. Also the payouts don’t really do much except for 1st and 2nd place so you need to be in the mix to win or be building toward it.

Not at all slamming this trade. It could very well be the case it makes his team a contender and that would be worthwhile in my opinion.

 

[BigAl21]

Andrews = 1 & 2
Jamaal = 2
Watson = 2

Not that wild. I’d want to see the rest of the roster but that 1st could have a shot at 1.01 in FFPC rules if they don’t actually make playoffs.

I’m sorta down on Andrews, definitely down on Jamaal, and Watson…idk man. Was a huge fan before but I’m just not interested. I’ll need to actually see that one first to believe and probably means I’ll miss out if so. I’m fine with that.

Fine deal for me, just don’t really like the pieces.

I don’t disagree completely. I see Watson as a 1st, especially when he reminds everyone how good he is in ‘23.

I don’t see Jamaal as worth a 2nd, probably more like a 3rd

Andrews to me in TE premium is gold though and you can’t pry him from most owners for a 1 and 2.

This team is tearing it down to the studs and is also shopping his other two big assets in Kelce and Adams.

As for the 1st I gave up. Could end up early, could be mid, could be late. The team needs RB help but I tend to try and figure that out closer to season starting.

 

[Da Franchise]

Andrews = 1 & 2
Jamaal = 2
Watson = 2

Not that wild. I’d want to see the rest of the roster but that 1st could have a shot at 1.01 in FFPC rules if they don’t actually make playoffs.

I’m sorta down on Andrews, definitely down on Jamaal, and Watson…idk man. Was a huge fan before but I’m just not interested. I’ll need to actually see that one first to believe and probably means I’ll miss out if so. I’m fine with that.

Fine deal for me, just don’t really like the pieces.

I don’t disagree completely. I see Watson as a 1st, especially when he reminds everyone how good he is in ‘23.

I don’t see Jamaal as worth a 2nd, probably more like a 3rd

Andrews to me in TE premium is gold though and you can’t pry him from most owners for a 1 and 2.

This team is tearing it down to the studs and is also shopping his other two big assets in Kelce and Adams.

As for the 1st I gave up. Could end up early, could be mid, could be late. The team needs RB help but I tend to try and figure that out closer to season starting.

Yeah was kinda averaging Watson and Jamaal to count as a 2nd each. With Watson, I just wonder about sitting out basically two years and overcoming all the off the field stuff. I’m fine with giving a mulligan for last season to knock rust off and I do expect them to go more pass heavy this year, but idk, it’s hard to climb that mountain again and especially when you’re already PAID. Prior to all that I was 100% all in on the guy so totally understand sticking with the talent.

I hear you on Andrews. No issue at all with the player, he’s a stud, but prior to last season I got the sense the Lamar stuff was going to hit the fan sooner than later and didn’t like how his situation was shaping up. Obviously a lot of uncertainty there so generally I’m not looking to acquire players when that’s the case. No doubt though, he’s a stud and can overcome the obstacle. In terms of value though I feel like he’s probably peaked.

I traded him away in our league last August or so for Keenan and a 1st that became 1.03. Then traded 1.03 for 1.08, 2.01, and a 24 1st that’s a lock top 4. Very happy with that return.

 

[menobrown]

I don’t disagree completely. I see Watson as a 1st, especially when he reminds everyone how good he is in ‘23.

Watson = 2

I'm sort of in the middle of both of you. I would not pay a random future first for him. If I had a team that was a QB away I might pay a late current one for him though, but even then would probably wait till OTC or when I have an idea what I'm giving up being able to draft. But at the same time I think he's worth a lot more then a second, more in the range of two random seconds.

I don’t see Jamaal as worth a 2nd, probably more like a 3rd

I'm in agreement here. I got a team with Kamara that is in win now mode and RB is my thin spot. Under a perfect storm like that I might pay a super late 2 but in general see him as a third.

Andrews to me in TE premium is gold though and you can’t pry him from most owners for a 1 and 2.

but prior to last season I got the sense the Lamar stuff was going to hit the fan sooner than later and didn’t like how his situation was shaping up

A 1 and 2 seems close to me, I'd term it a good deal to pay this for him but it's not the kind of trade I'd be auto accepting to pay for him in most of my leagues either.

I'd just add I'm not exaggerating when I say I don't care one iota about Lamar's status for him, not when he's done so well with Huntley. The system changing, possible major addition at WR, those are things that do concern me a little however.

 

[Birdie048]

I traded him away in our league last August or so for Keenan and a 1st that became 1.03. Then traded 1.03 for 1.08, 2.01, and a 24 1st that’s a lock top 4. Very happy with that return.

So your net was Trading Balt TE Mark Andrews for LAC WR K Allen, 1.08, 2.01 and Top 4 2024 1st? IMPRESSIVE !

He went for 2024 1st (likely late) and early 2nd 2023 (ended up 2.08) and Noah Fant which I thought was a steal!

 

[steelcityman]

I kinda like Howell there, he'll never get the hype Watson does, but he might be damn close to him in final fantasy rankings come end of season

Now that's an outlandish comment and also ties perfectly into what I was saying in another post about a lot of people in fantasy having short memories.

He said 'might'. I don't think the Washington offense finishing with better passing numbers than Cleveland would be surprising in the least. Of course the rushing with Watson more than cancels out that best-case scenario for Howell believers. But what memory is there to be short about? We're only projecting with Howell. Of course Watson is good but all it would take is just a little underperforming and he finishes ~QB15 and if Howell just overperforms a little then it really isn't so nuts.

But there is a big difference between predicting something will happen and saying it 'might' happen. Lots of NFL clubs passed on Howell. It would be a longshot for sure.

Everything is might. Mahomes might be #1 QB this year. Jefferson might be WR #1. My point is, Watson is overrated, Howell underrated. Watson can run some, Howell can run some. I dont see a huge advantage for Watson there. Howell ran for a heck of a lot at UNC, and I believe had a rushing TD in his only start last year. Watson thinks he is Montana and Brady rolled into one, a super species. Go ahead and invest all you want in him. Caveat emptor.

 

[menobrown]

Everything is might

This is I agree but does not mean using a qualifier does not exclude a comment from scrutiny.

And fwiw I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you are saying on Watson but I was not trying to criticize your take. I won't mention them by name but someone who posts quite frequently has some of the most wild rankings and comments and I don't hate it at all, would not be much fun if we all agreed. I used the wrong phrasing calling it "outlandish", I was trying to make a joke about someone saying an opinion I gave earlier was not controversial and I was trying to say "now this is a controversial take" Just used the wrong phrasing.

 

[steelcityman]

thats fine, you can disagree. If we all agreed on everything it would be boring. My take is contoversial, people love Watson, and few even know who Howell plays for. To suggest they are even close to near in the final 2023 scoring is out there. But i do feel that way. Obviously, like anything, an injury or trade or the draft heavily impacts that. Watson could miss 6 games, who knows.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB and not involved:

Josh Jacobs
for
Chris Godwin/2.11/2024 1st and 2nd

The 24 1st/2nd should be high as this is a team that has finished 2nd (1.11) the last 2 years. Still feels like an over pay for Jacobs on a franchise tag who I see regression coming for this year.

 

[eighsse2]

12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB and not involved:

Josh Jacobs
for
Chris Godwin/2.11/2024 1st and 2nd

The 24 1st/2nd should be high as this is a team that has finished 2nd (1.11) the last 2 years. Still feels like an over pay for Jacobs on a franchise tag who I see regression coming for this year.

Seems like by high you mean  low, in which case ... I kind of like Jacobs in this one.

 

[kutta]

I got:
2023 1.03
2024 early/mid 2nd

I gave:
Antonio Gibson
2023 2.01
2024 late first

My team is stacked - I won it all 2 years ago and almost won it all last year (should have dammit). He proposed this to me and I thought it was a mistake. I smash accepted.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB and not involved:

Josh Jacobs
for
Chris Godwin/2.11/2024 1st and 2nd

The 24 1st/2nd should be high as this is a team that has finished 2nd (1.11) the last 2 years. Still feels like an over pay for Jacobs on a franchise tag who I see regression coming for this year.

Seems like by high you mean  low, in which case ... I kind of like Jacobs in this one.

I just hate paying the 1st for a RB that is on the franchise tag and I see regressing I guess. After thinking about it, It seems pretty fair value actually due to that. I posted it seconds after it went and felt high with knee jerk reaction but I also don't think I was valuing Godwin properly with Baker/Trask as his new QB. Just would like it much better if Jacobs got his 2nd deal instead of the tag but I think its actually fair the more I look at it.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I got:
2023 1.03
2024 early/mid 2nd

I gave:
Antonio Gibson
2023 2.01
2024 late first

My team is stacked - I won it all 2 years ago and almost won it all last year (should have dammit). He proposed this to me and I thought it was a mistake. I smash accepted.

I'd smash accept that too. Like you almost have to look again to make sure you aren't missing something.

 

[eighsse2]

12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB and not involved:

Josh Jacobs
for
Chris Godwin/2.11/2024 1st and 2nd

The 24 1st/2nd should be high as this is a team that has finished 2nd (1.11) the last 2 years. Still feels like an over pay for Jacobs on a franchise tag who I see regression coming for this year.

Seems like by high you mean  low, in which case ... I kind of like Jacobs in this one.

I just hate paying the 1st for a RB that is on the franchise tag and I see regressing I guess. After thinking about it, It seems pretty fair value actually due to that. I posted it seconds after it went and felt high with knee jerk reaction but I also don't think I was valuing Godwin properly with Baker/Trask as his new QB. Just would like it much better if Jacobs got his 2nd deal instead of the tag but I think its actually fair the more I look at it.

Yeah it's definitely a gamble. Hypothetically, if you could guarantee me today "those 2024 picks are going to be 1.12 and 2.12" I think I take Jacobs. If you told me they were 1.06 and 2.06, I want the picks side. So, it's a gamble.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB and not involved:

Josh Jacobs
for
Chris Godwin/2.11/2024 1st and 2nd

The 24 1st/2nd should be high as this is a team that has finished 2nd (1.11) the last 2 years. Still feels like an over pay for Jacobs on a franchise tag who I see regression coming for this year.

Seems like by high you mean  low, in which case ... I kind of like Jacobs in this one.

I just hate paying the 1st for a RB that is on the franchise tag and I see regressing I guess. After thinking about it, It seems pretty fair value actually due to that. I posted it seconds after it went and felt high with knee jerk reaction but I also don't think I was valuing Godwin properly with Baker/Trask as his new QB. Just would like it much better if Jacobs got his 2nd deal instead of the tag but I think its actually fair the more I look at it.

Yeah it's definitely a gamble. Hypothetically, if you could guarantee me today "those 2024 picks are going to be 1.12 and 2.12" I think I take Jacobs. If you told me they were 1.06 and 2.06, I want the picks side. So, it's a gamble.

I'd say they should be a playoff team. Because his RBs were Kamara/Zeke and a division change I think there is no way he finishes in the top 2 again but I'd guess the pick fishes between 7-10.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

Dynasty, PPR, start 1 QB.

Gave Tua, Jameson Williams, 3.06
Got Devonta Smith

I had four QBs, the guys I have left are Lamar, Fields, and Pickett. I have a ton of draft picks and short rosters so I was very okay parting with a pick.

 

[lardonastick]

12 team 0.5 PPR superflex

gave Tony Pollard and 2.02

for

Travis Etienne

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB and not involved:

Josh Jacobs
for
Chris Godwin/2.11/2024 1st and 2nd

The 24 1st/2nd should be high as this is a team that has finished 2nd (1.11) the last 2 years. Still feels like an over pay for Jacobs on a franchise tag who I see regression coming for this year.

Seems like a fair deal, and entirely dependent on team needs.

If I had Jacobs that probably wouldn't be enough.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dynasty, PPR, start 1 QB.

Gave Tua, Jameson Williams, 3.06
Got Devonta Smith

I had four QBs, the guys I have left are Lamar, Fields, and Pickett. I have a ton of draft picks and short rosters so I was very okay parting with a pick.

Probably fair - Tua scares me. I like Jameson Williams more than most

Smith also concerns me. He seems to get up limping after every other play. He's a little guy.

But the Smith side is better, on paper, in a 1 QB format.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team 0.5 PPR superflex

gave Tony Pollard and 2.02

for

Travis Etienne

I might have kept the Pollard/2.02 side. That's likely to be a good player in SF format.

And Pollard may well be better than ETN.

I love ETN, and you're getting younger at the position.

But I'm on the Pollard side.

 

[BigAl21]

FFPC, 1 QB

Gave; Amari Cooper, 1.05
Got; Chris Olave

May have been a slight overpay but got Olave who I think has long productive career ahead of him.

I know the pick is hottest on the clock but this offer emerged so I jumped