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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (19 Viewers)

I think the K9 hate due to Charbs being there is overblown
“Hate” is a weird descriptor.

Charbs is in fact there, and will in fact hurt Walker’s chances at having a high ceiling.

Seems more like an observation than an emotional attribution, but to each their own I suppose.
I'm not necessarily meaning here but I am seeing people talk like Walker isn't still a great option and it is going to be a 50/50 split and is he even worth a mid 1st rounder anymore and I think that is an overreaction. Charbs is there and I do like him as a talent but I'd be more likely not to draft him than Walker. Depends on where they are ranked and I don't have him in dynasty but most fantasy communities overreact to things and in some online stuff it does appear to be the case with dropping Walker's value. Of course there is a slight cap but not many players are true workhorses these days anyways.
Walker’s value should drop. People paying for Walker like nothing happened or it’s only a mild cap are very likely to lose on that investment.

Maybe it won’t be 50-50, but 60-40 is on the spectrum of outcomes. They spent a 2nd round pick on Charbonnet for a reason. That reason was certainly not “depth” alone as some here are arguing.

And once again, not all touches are equal. Even if Charbonnet only gets 35% of the touches, but they include GL & majority of receptions, Walker’s value plummet’s precipitously.

Time will tell, but IMO it’s premature to suggest that all Charbonnet’s presence reflects is a slight ceiling cap for Walker.
Oh it should drop but my argument is that people are dropping/going to drop it too far. Walker was good in the redzone. I think it is more likely he loses receiving duties. Of course some of the other times Charbs will get touches but like I said, how many true workhorses that don't lose touches are there in the NFL? So everyone has a hit to their value for the most part outside of a few outliers.
 
12 Team FFPC Superflex Dynasty

Team A gives
A.Kamara

Team B gives
A.J.Dillon



12 Team Superflex PPR (QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex x3/Superflex)

Team A gives
E.Engram, 2.02, 24 2nd

Team B gives
1.07, 3.05

Same league

Team A gives
P.Freiermuth, 3.05

Team B gives
K.Toney, 2.12
 
Of course some of the other times Charbs will get touches but like I said, how many true workhorses that don't lose touches are there in the NFL? So everyone has a hit to their value for the most part outside of a few outliers.
Of course - no one’s saying Charbonnet will take over the backfield and Walker will be the backup.

But RBBC looks large. The question remains as to how even the split will be. I have them both as RB2-3 for roster purposes. Edge to the incumbent, and especially in non-PPR (does anyone even play non-PPR any more?)
 
12 Team FFPC Superflex Dynasty

Team A gives
A.Kamara

Team B gives
A.J.Dillon
This is an interesting deal. AK might only be suspended for 4 games, might be 6. They brought in Jamaal, which I see as an Ingram-role replacement. They spent a 3rd on Kendre Miller, but Kamara should have value and isn’t a FA until 2026

He’s only 27, which seems ancient for a RB but the nature of his usage bodes well for longevity. And with Carr the expectation is of a more productive offense.

I’m an AJD shareholder, and while I’m still high on AJD, I would strongly consider this deal, especially if I were building for 2024.

12 Team Superflex PPR (QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex x3/Superflex)

Team A gives
E.Engram, 2.02, 24 2nd

Team B gives
1.07, 3.05
Picks side, and I wish I’d held Engram for one one year.
Same league

Team A gives
P.Freiermuth, 3.05

Team B gives
K.Toney, 2.12
Depends on team needs. Seems fair.
 
12 Team FFPC Superflex Dynasty

Team A gives
A.Kamara

Team B gives
A.J.Dillon
This is an interesting deal. AK might only be suspended for 4 games, might be 6. They brought in Jamaal, which I see as an Ingram-role replacement. They spent a 3rd on Kendre Miller, but Kamara should have value and isn’t a FA until 2026

He’s only 27, which seems ancient for a RB but the nature of his usage bodes well for longevity. And with Carr the expectation is of a more productive offense.

I’m an AJD shareholder, and while I’m still high on AJD, I would strongly consider this deal, especially if I were building for 2024.

12 Team Superflex PPR (QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex x3/Superflex)

Team A gives
E.Engram, 2.02, 24 2nd

Team B gives
1.07, 3.05
Picks side, and I wish I’d held Engram for one one year.
Same league

Team A gives
P.Freiermuth, 3.05

Team B gives
K.Toney, 2.12
Depends on team needs. Seems fair.
Was rhinking the same on the Kamara deal. I always try to get out of RB investments around his age so I'm not left holding the bag, but the usage could give him possibly several more years. So I like the Kamara side.
 
I am Team A in the Kamara deal, so I shipped him for Dillon. A little more context, FFPC, so short rosters, and my RBs going into the rookie draft were Eckeler, Henry, Kamara, and Br.Robinson. I desperately wanted to get younger at that RB3 slot, and I don't have my 1st or 2nd this year, so it wasn't likely to come from the draft. I looked at it like I was shaving 3 years off, and picking up AJD who I still have high expectations for.
Kamara just scares me... the legal matter is the obvious concern, but he is also turning 28 in July, has seen a decline in efficiency, and the team has added a lot to that RB room. I just feel like the 70 catch/10+ TD seasons are not coming back. He may hold some value for the next couple years, but I don't think that will be RB1 value. He's a tough one to value right now, and I wasn't confident I was getting much more than that for him. I floated him to a couple other owners and they indicated they weren't interested in him.
Also, I am unreasonably high on AJD. If he can become the 1A, rather than the 1B, I really feel like he will be a rock solid RB2 who could flirt with top 12 if the TD's reach the high side of his range. He also has the age and low mileage to be a lead for a few years. This deal has been polarizing with the friends I've discussed it with. A couple love it, a couple think I was crazy.
 
12 team SF 2.0 TEP BB start 9

Gave: 2.01 (pick was used on Kendre Miller)
Got: 3.01, AJ Dillon

Gave: 2.04 (pick was used on Michael Mayer)
Got: 2.06, Nico Collins
Updated

Gave: K Miller
Got: L Schoonmaker, AJ Dillon

Gave: M Mayer
Got: J Mingo, N Collins
 
I am Team A in the Kamara deal, so I shipped him for Dillon. A little more context, FFPC, so short rosters, and my RBs going into the rookie draft were Eckeler, Henry, Kamara, and Br.Robinson. I desperately wanted to get younger at that RB3 slot, and I don't have my 1st or 2nd this year, so it wasn't likely to come from the draft. I looked at it like I was shaving 3 years off, and picking up AJD who I still have high expectations for.
I still really like AJD, and roster him in both of my dynasty leagues as my RB3 - he finished the year strong, and I expect GB to run a lot more with Love behind center.

And AJones seems to get banged up more as he gets older.

I don’t mind the trade at all - it’s certainly about context.
 
Of course some of the other times Charbs will get touches but like I said, how many true workhorses that don't lose touches are there in the NFL? So everyone has a hit to their value for the most part outside of a few outliers.
Of course - no one’s saying Charbonnet will take over the backfield and Walker will be the backup.

But RBBC looks large. The question remains as to how even the split will be. I have them both as RB2-3 for roster purposes. Edge to the incumbent, and especially in non-PPR (does anyone even play non-PPR any more?)
I do have 2 non-PPR redraft leagues and I'm not a fan but they have been going for so long and I get out-voted when I have tried to get it changed. I think Walker is still a very solid RB2. Charbs could be a RB3 too but I don't see K9 not being a top 24 RB after what we saw last year personally.
 
12 Team Superflex PPR (QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex x3/Superflex)

Team A gives
E.Engram, 2.02, 24 2nd

Team B gives
1.07, 3.05
I'm curious how much weight Engram is carrying in this deal. In other words, how much more added to 2.02 and 24 2nd is needed to get the 1.07.

Reason I ask is I just finished my rookie draft in 12 team, PPR, shallow bench. I picked Kincaid over Zay Flowers at 1.09 despite already having Kittle and Engram. I thought Engram would be tradable, but I got denied in an attempt to move up 7 spots in the 3rd round. (EE and 3.09 for 3.02). Having 3 TEs on roster is a nonstarter in this league.
 
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16 man full IDP TEP (many different leagues) mixed PPR
Team A got Ekeler, Austin LAC RB; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B; $10 blind bidding dollars
Team B Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.03; Year 2024 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Team A got Year 2023 Draft Pick 2.04; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B
Team B got Samuel, Deebo SFO WR

Team A got Ridder, Desmond ATL QB; Etienne, Travis JAC RB; Pollard, Tony DAL RB; Davis, Gabriel BUF WR; Smith-Schuster, JuJu NEP WR; Sutton, Courtland DEN WR; Engram, Evan JAC TE
Team B got Conklin, Tyler NYJ TE; Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.01; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Team A got Sanders, Miles CAR RB; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B; Year 2024 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B
Team B got Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.12; Year 2024 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Team A got Pickett, Kenny PIT QB; McBride, Trey ARI TE; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B; Year 2024 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team B; Year 2024 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
Team B got Kupp, Cooper LAR WR; Singleton, Alex DEN LB; Elliott, DeShon MIA S; Year 2023 Draft Pick 4.08; Year 2024 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team A; Year 2024 Round 6 Draft Pick from Team A; Year 2024 Round 7 Draft Pick from Team A; $5 blind bidding dollars

Team A got gave up Olave, Chris NOS WR; Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.06
Team B got Jefferson, Justin MIN WR
 
Why do people always try to get that late round pick (ex 4.01 in your post) thrown in? I guess because they can. Sometimes I counter removing it from the deal.
Well these leagues are all FABB driven for waivers and RFA so I know I ask for it because I can try to sell the pick later for a few bucks. We also have large taxi rosters so that late flier is always better on my team than yours.
 
Team A got Sanders, Miles CAR RB; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B; Year 2024 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B
Team B got Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.12; Year 2024 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Wow. Sanders was going for about the 1.12 or 2.01, so this is really almost a free 2024 1st for Team A.
 
12 Team FFPC Superflex Dynasty

Team A gives
A.Kamara

Team B gives
A.J.Dillon
This is an interesting deal. AK might only be suspended for 4 games, might be 6. They brought in Jamaal, which I see as an Ingram-role replacement. They spent a 3rd on Kendre Miller, but Kamara should have value and isn’t a FA until 2026

He’s only 27, which seems ancient for a RB but the nature of his usage bodes well for longevity. And with Carr the expectation is of a more productive offense.

I’m an AJD shareholder, and while I’m still high on AJD, I would strongly consider this deal, especially if I were building for 2024.

FWIW, Kamara turns 28 in July. His contract is interesting in that the Saints could cut him in 2024 for a small savings (or a large one if designated a post-June cut) but a it’s a large dead hit. I guess it will come down to if Andre Miller shows well and how much AK has left in the tank. I wouldn’t value AK much more than a mid to early 2nd right now.

I’ve never been a big fan of Dillon but I easily take his upside here. IF GB leans heavy on the run game with Rodgers gone, Dillon might finally deliver for his owners who have been patiently waiting. I’d say late 1st value for Dillon.
 
12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
 
12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.
 
Team A got Sanders, Miles CAR RB; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B; Year 2024 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B
Team B got Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.12; Year 2024 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A

Wow. Sanders was going for about the 1.12 or 2.01, so this is really almost a free 2024 1st for Team A.
Is anyone actually getting a first for sanders? Maybe in a startup but sanders seems to be valued less than that.
I’d still Rather have a random 24 1st than the 23 1.12. So that’s an easy deal.
 
12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.
Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.
 
12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.
Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.
I'm not warm and fuzzy about Waller. I saw a big decline last year when on the field and he is 30 now. He's a sell IMO.
 
Hated to trade him in SF but:

Lance, 7.12
For
2.06, 4.03, 2024 1st from a moderately strong team - guess 1.04-1.08 range.
Slam dunk win for you imo. SF is the only place where he has much value at all but I’m shocked you got a 1st, 2nd and 4th.
Wouldn’t have given him up for less. The team acquiring him played against me in the championship last year and looks strong again (wasn’t his 24 1st)
 
Is anyone actually getting a first for sanders? Maybe in a startup but sanders seems to be valued less than that.

KTC has him at the 1.12. His real deal value is probably in the 2.01-2.03 range. He's spiked because Carolina was a dream location and they're talking about involving him in the pass game, unlike what Sirianni did. I roster him, so I'm possibly biased, but I'm ecstatic with his situation for next year. (Most of these guys are having serious trouble getting their second contract.)
 
16 team 1.5 TE PPR 1 QB

I gave up Dalvin Cook
I received a 2024 1st round pick (Middle of the pack team is my best guess) (Has the 1.07 pick this year)
 
12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.
Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.
I would have taken Andrews. But Metcalf is good too.
 
12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.
Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.
I would have taken Andrews. But Metcalf is good too.
I’d be happy with either Andrews or Metcalf for 1.12, and have no idea what your trade partner is thinking.
 
Agree, that's a steel
12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.
Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.
I would have taken Andrews. But Metcalf is good too.
I’d be happy with either Andrews or Metcalf for 1.12, and have no idea what your trade partner is thinking

12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.
Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.
I would have taken Andrews. But Metcalf is good too.
I’d be happy with either Andrews or Metcalf for 1.12, and have no idea what your trade partner is thinking.
I agree 💯. That's a steal IMO
 
12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.

So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
Wow. This guy willingly bent over for you here. Dang. I think I'd have taken the Andrew deal and tried to move Waller for whatever I could get. I would smash accept DK or Andrews for the 1.12 as that feels like after a couple tier breaks in the draft for sure. Good pull.
 
10 team SF not involved

Team A gives Etienne, 3.04
Team B gives Metcalf

edited - pick initially on wrong side

Interestingly Metcalf is nearly a round ahead of ETN in startup ADP but I also would prefer ETN like some of the others commenting.
FFPC I see ETN well ahead of Metcalf in ADP.
ETN 19
Metcalf 34

DLF has Metcalf 19, ETN 27. :shrug:

Edit: may be the difference in starting positions since FFPC appears to be 1-2-2-1-2 flex vs 1-2-3-1- 1 Flex. One FFPC ADP I just pulled up has ETN as 32, Metcalf 34.
 
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What do you think Tony Pollard's worth is? I may look to trade him for a 2024 pick. Is a first round pick asking too much?? I don't think I'll move him for a future 2nd.
 

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