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Probably fair but gimme the 24 1st.12 team 0.5ppr SF. not involved
2023 2.01 and 2024 1st
for
D. Carr and 2024 4th
The state of QB in SF is just brutal.
Probably fair but gimme the 24 1st.12 team 0.5ppr SF. not involved
2023 2.01 and 2024 1st
for
D. Carr and 2024 4th
Oh it should drop but my argument is that people are dropping/going to drop it too far. Walker was good in the redzone. I think it is more likely he loses receiving duties. Of course some of the other times Charbs will get touches but like I said, how many true workhorses that don't lose touches are there in the NFL? So everyone has a hit to their value for the most part outside of a few outliers.Walker’s value should drop. People paying for Walker like nothing happened or it’s only a mild cap are very likely to lose on that investment.I'm not necessarily meaning here but I am seeing people talk like Walker isn't still a great option and it is going to be a 50/50 split and is he even worth a mid 1st rounder anymore and I think that is an overreaction. Charbs is there and I do like him as a talent but I'd be more likely not to draft him than Walker. Depends on where they are ranked and I don't have him in dynasty but most fantasy communities overreact to things and in some online stuff it does appear to be the case with dropping Walker's value. Of course there is a slight cap but not many players are true workhorses these days anyways.“Hate” is a weird descriptor.I think the K9 hate due to Charbs being there is overblown
Charbs is in fact there, and will in fact hurt Walker’s chances at having a high ceiling.
Seems more like an observation than an emotional attribution, but to each their own I suppose.
Maybe it won’t be 50-50, but 60-40 is on the spectrum of outcomes. They spent a 2nd round pick on Charbonnet for a reason. That reason was certainly not “depth” alone as some here are arguing.
And once again, not all touches are equal. Even if Charbonnet only gets 35% of the touches, but they include GL & majority of receptions, Walker’s value plummet’s precipitously.
Time will tell, but IMO it’s premature to suggest that all Charbonnet’s presence reflects is a slight ceiling cap for Walker.
Of course - no one’s saying Charbonnet will take over the backfield and Walker will be the backup.Of course some of the other times Charbs will get touches but like I said, how many true workhorses that don't lose touches are there in the NFL? So everyone has a hit to their value for the most part outside of a few outliers.
This is an interesting deal. AK might only be suspended for 4 games, might be 6. They brought in Jamaal, which I see as an Ingram-role replacement. They spent a 3rd on Kendre Miller, but Kamara should have value and isn’t a FA until 202612 Team FFPC Superflex Dynasty
Team A gives
A.Kamara
Team B gives
A.J.Dillon
Picks side, and I wish I’d held Engram for one one year.12 Team Superflex PPR (QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex x3/Superflex)
Team A gives
E.Engram, 2.02, 24 2nd
Team B gives
1.07, 3.05
Depends on team needs. Seems fair.Same league
Team A gives
P.Freiermuth, 3.05
Team B gives
K.Toney, 2.12
Was rhinking the same on the Kamara deal. I always try to get out of RB investments around his age so I'm not left holding the bag, but the usage could give him possibly several more years. So I like the Kamara side.This is an interesting deal. AK might only be suspended for 4 games, might be 6. They brought in Jamaal, which I see as an Ingram-role replacement. They spent a 3rd on Kendre Miller, but Kamara should have value and isn’t a FA until 202612 Team FFPC Superflex Dynasty
Team A gives
A.Kamara
Team B gives
A.J.Dillon
He’s only 27, which seems ancient for a RB but the nature of his usage bodes well for longevity. And with Carr the expectation is of a more productive offense.
I’m an AJD shareholder, and while I’m still high on AJD, I would strongly consider this deal, especially if I were building for 2024.
Picks side, and I wish I’d held Engram for one one year.12 Team Superflex PPR (QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex x3/Superflex)
Team A gives
E.Engram, 2.02, 24 2nd
Team B gives
1.07, 3.05
Depends on team needs. Seems fair.Same league
Team A gives
P.Freiermuth, 3.05
Team B gives
K.Toney, 2.12
12 Team FFPC Superflex Dynasty
Team A gives
A.Kamara
Team B gives
A.J.Dillon
Updated14 team SF PPR 1.5 TEP, lineup start 11
OTC trade (Was going to take LaPorta, who ended up being the pick)
Gave: 2.02, 3.03
Got: Kittle, 3.12
Updated12 team SF 2.0 TEP BB start 9
Gave: 2.01 (pick was used on Kendre Miller)
Got: 3.01, AJ Dillon
Gave: 2.04 (pick was used on Michael Mayer)
Got: 2.06, Nico Collins
I still really like AJD, and roster him in both of my dynasty leagues as my RB3 - he finished the year strong, and I expect GB to run a lot more with Love behind center.I am Team A in the Kamara deal, so I shipped him for Dillon. A little more context, FFPC, so short rosters, and my RBs going into the rookie draft were Eckeler, Henry, Kamara, and Br.Robinson. I desperately wanted to get younger at that RB3 slot, and I don't have my 1st or 2nd this year, so it wasn't likely to come from the draft. I looked at it like I was shaving 3 years off, and picking up AJD who I still have high expectations for.
I do have 2 non-PPR redraft leagues and I'm not a fan but they have been going for so long and I get out-voted when I have tried to get it changed. I think Walker is still a very solid RB2. Charbs could be a RB3 too but I don't see K9 not being a top 24 RB after what we saw last year personally.Of course - no one’s saying Charbonnet will take over the backfield and Walker will be the backup.Of course some of the other times Charbs will get touches but like I said, how many true workhorses that don't lose touches are there in the NFL? So everyone has a hit to their value for the most part outside of a few outliers.
But RBBC looks large. The question remains as to how even the split will be. I have them both as RB2-3 for roster purposes. Edge to the incumbent, and especially in non-PPR (does anyone even play non-PPR any more?)
Hope it works for you but I’ve had kept Miller and Mayer.Updated12 team SF 2.0 TEP BB start 9
Gave: 2.01 (pick was used on Kendre Miller)
Got: 3.01, AJ Dillon
Gave: 2.04 (pick was used on Michael Mayer)
Got: 2.06, Nico Collins
Gave: K Miller
Got: L Schoonmaker, AJ Dillon
Gave: M Mayer
Got: J Mingo, N Collins
I'm curious how much weight Engram is carrying in this deal. In other words, how much more added to 2.02 and 24 2nd is needed to get the 1.07.12 Team Superflex PPR (QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/Flex x3/Superflex)
Team A gives
E.Engram, 2.02, 24 2nd
Team B gives
1.07, 3.05
I would snap accept Engram for that. Hell I'd give the 3rd outright. Be glad you didn't get this done unless Kincaid somehow slid into the 3rd.an attempt to move up 7 spots in the 3rd round.
Well these leagues are all FABB driven for waivers and RFA so I know I ask for it because I can try to sell the pick later for a few bucks. We also have large taxi rosters so that late flier is always better on my team than yours.Why do people always try to get that late round pick (ex 4.01 in your post) thrown in? I guess because they can. Sometimes I counter removing it from the deal.
Seems light for JJ.Team A got gave up Olave, Chris NOS WR; Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.06
Team B got Jefferson, Justin MIN WR
Team A got Sanders, Miles CAR RB; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B; Year 2024 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B
Team B got Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.12; Year 2024 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A
This is an interesting deal. AK might only be suspended for 4 games, might be 6. They brought in Jamaal, which I see as an Ingram-role replacement. They spent a 3rd on Kendre Miller, but Kamara should have value and isn’t a FA until 202612 Team FFPC Superflex Dynasty
Team A gives
A.Kamara
Team B gives
A.J.Dillon
He’s only 27, which seems ancient for a RB but the nature of his usage bodes well for longevity. And with Carr the expectation is of a more productive offense.
I’m an AJD shareholder, and while I’m still high on AJD, I would strongly consider this deal, especially if I were building for 2024.
I’ll take your side.12 team PPR SF
Gave: Addison, ‘24 1st, ‘25 2nd
Got: Higgins, Dillon, ‘24 2nd
I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.
So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
Is anyone actually getting a first for sanders? Maybe in a startup but sanders seems to be valued less than that.Team A got Sanders, Miles CAR RB; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B; Year 2024 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B
Team B got Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.12; Year 2024 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A
Wow. Sanders was going for about the 1.12 or 2.01, so this is really almost a free 2024 1st for Team A.
Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.
So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I'm not warm and fuzzy about Waller. I saw a big decline last year when on the field and he is 30 now. He's a sell IMO.Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.
So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
Slam dunk win for you imo. SF is the only place where he has much value at all but I’m shocked you got a 1st, 2nd and 4th.Hated to trade him in SF but:
Lance, 7.12
For
2.06, 4.03, 2024 1st from a moderately strong team - guess 1.04-1.08 range.
Wouldn’t have given him up for less. The team acquiring him played against me in the championship last year and looks strong again (wasn’t his 24 1st)Slam dunk win for you imo. SF is the only place where he has much value at all but I’m shocked you got a 1st, 2nd and 4th.Hated to trade him in SF but:
Lance, 7.12
For
2.06, 4.03, 2024 1st from a moderately strong team - guess 1.04-1.08 range.
Nice job, that's highway robbery for a QB who may never start an NFL gameHated to trade him in SF but:
Lance, 7.12
For
2.06, 4.03, 2024 1st from a moderately strong team - guess 1.04-1.08 range.
Is anyone actually getting a first for sanders? Maybe in a startup but sanders seems to be valued less than that.
Seems fair12 team PPR. Start 1 QB.
Gave: 2.05, 2.09
Received: 3.07, 2024 2nd, 2024 2nd, 2024 3rd
Feels like any 1st is a nice pull at this point. Bottom could fall out at any time.16 team 1.5 TE PPR 1 QB
I gave up Dalvin Cook
I received a 2024 1st round pick (Middle of the pack team is my best guess) (Has the 1.07 pick this year)
I would have taken Andrews. But Metcalf is good too.Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.
So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I’d be happy with either Andrews or Metcalf for 1.12, and have no idea what your trade partner is thinking.I would have taken Andrews. But Metcalf is good too.Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.
So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I’d be happy with either Andrews or Metcalf for 1.12, and have no idea what your trade partner is thinkingI would have taken Andrews. But Metcalf is good too.Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.
So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
I agreeI’d be happy with either Andrews or Metcalf for 1.12, and have no idea what your trade partner is thinking.I would have taken Andrews. But Metcalf is good too.Yeah, I can understand that. I probably feel more confident in my TEs than I should but I don’t feel like the upgrade for 23 from Waller to Andrews is large enough. But I’m quite happy to upgrade from Mike Evans to Metcalf as my WR3.I would do that every day and twice on Sunday. I like the first deal more and would have accepted Andrews for the 1.12.12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.
So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
Etienne+3.04 in a landslide. That’s an overpay for DKM, IMO.10 team SF not involved
Team A gives Etienne, 3.04
Team B gives Metcalf
edited - pick initially on wrong side
Nice return. I'm sitting on him in a league, haven't had any serious conversations about him, and I am very hesitant to deal him. That offer likely would get me there though.Hated to trade him in SF but:
Lance, 7.12
For
2.06, 4.03, 2024 1st from a moderately strong team - guess 1.04-1.08 range.
10 team SF not involved
Team A gives Etienne, 3.04
Team B gives Metcalf
edited - pick initially on wrong side
I'm not even as high on Higgins as many in here but I'd take that side of this deal. Only hurts if that 24 1st is really early.12 team PPR SF
Gave: Addison, ‘24 1st, ‘25 2nd
Got: Higgins, Dillon, ‘24 2nd
Yeah, I had to double check what I wrote and realise "wait, the guy getting Metcalf also got the pick and didn't give it"?Etienne+3.04 in a landslide. That’s an overpay for DKM, IMO.10 team SF not involved
Team A gives Etienne, 3.04
Team B gives Metcalf
edited - pick initially on wrong side
Wow. This guy willingly bent over for you here. Dang. I think I'd have taken the Andrew deal and tried to move Waller for whatever I could get. I would smash accept DK or Andrews for the 1.12 as that feels like after a couple tier breaks in the draft for sure. Good pull.12 team SF; draft starts in a few days.
Was offered Andrews for my 1.12. Didn’t love it as I’m content to start Waller, Chig (I’m big on Chig) or Dulcich. Andrews is an upgrade for sure.
Countered asking for Metcalf, he accepted rather quickly.
So 1.12 for Metcalf ppr.
10 team SF not involved
Team A gives Etienne, 3.04
Team B gives Metcalf
edited - pick initially on wrong side
FFPC I see ETN well ahead of Metcalf in ADP.10 team SF not involved
Team A gives Etienne, 3.04
Team B gives Metcalf
edited - pick initially on wrong side
Interestingly Metcalf is nearly a round ahead of ETN in startup ADP but I also would prefer ETN like some of the others commenting.
FFPC I see ETN well ahead of Metcalf in ADP.10 team SF not involved
Team A gives Etienne, 3.04
Team B gives Metcalf
edited - pick initially on wrong side
Interestingly Metcalf is nearly a round ahead of ETN in startup ADP but I also would prefer ETN like some of the others commenting.
ETN 19
Metcalf 34
