Soulfly3
Footballguy
and i pumped my fist to get him for (an expected) mid/late 1st. we'll see how it turns out.
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and i pumped my fist to get him for (an expected) mid/late 1st. we'll see how it turns out.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Most of the time that’s true. Most of us just expect to wait a bit on TE and WR - less on WR lately.
I have entirely too many rooster cloggers like Hines and Everett who I don’t want to drop but really can.
-OZ-
Footballguy
And that’s all that really matters.
I’d agree with you Fwiw
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Gonna look like I'm justifying my trade, when I don't need or care to. But just to show you part of my thought process on actively trying to acquire Jeudy (aside from freakish natural ability)
Wide Receiver leaders in YAC/REC in 22 via @FTNFantasy (min 50 receptions):
Deebo Samuel-8.8
Jaylen Waddle-6.8
A.J. Brown-6.2
Juju Smith-Schuster-6.0
Jerry Jeudy-5.9
Cooper Kupp-5.6
DeVonta Smith-5.2
Amon-Ra St. Brown-5.1
Decent company.
Wide Receiver leaders in YAC/REC in 22 via @FTNFantasy (min 50 receptions):
Deebo Samuel-8.8
Jaylen Waddle-6.8
A.J. Brown-6.2
Juju Smith-Schuster-6.0
Jerry Jeudy-5.9
Cooper Kupp-5.6
DeVonta Smith-5.2
Amon-Ra St. Brown-5.1
Decent company.
Fair trade. I don't like giving up my future firsts but would sure not let him go for any less then this. He's just turned 24 and was playing at the end of the season like the guy any of us who believed him hoped he would.
Boston
Footballguy
Agree with a lot of this but would add I have zero issues doing the deal for a 2023 1st but would not do it for a 2024 1st...while I like him I don't think he is worth the risk of having "one of those years" and then not having your #1...way too much downside for a player entering year 4 who still has a lot of questions.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
get it completely. but im taking the risk. flip side he has "one of those years" and he's untouchable. and im counting on that (or something close to it).
the way he ended last szn make me giggle w delight
I personally don't have a lot of questions about him and certainly not more then I'd have about an unknown rookie.
Like I referenced earlier I don't like giving up future firsts. But if he was in the 2023 draft he'd be my 4th ranked player in single PPR leagues and not a slam dunk that he's not #3, would have to legit mull him or JSN as WR1.
Boston
Footballguy
If that is how you feel about him than the deal makes a ton of sense...I am all about looking at upside/downside with players and not simply going best case scenario...the upside of Jeudy is very easy to see and it flashed in a big way last year and I don't think anyone would be surprised to see him go to the next level...the downside is he is entering year 4 has never had a 1,000 yard season, has 9 career TDs, has a potential train wreck as a QB and has been the subject of trade rumors since Payton was hired as well as entering year 4 of his contract so whether he stays in Denver long-term or is on a new team as early as next season (which could be a positive or a negative) is still an unknown...again, if you feel that strongly about him than I don't have an issue with what you did but for me he's just not the type of player I am willing to risk a future #1 on because I just feel there is still too much downside with him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
While his value would rise, Jeudy strikes me as a guy who even if he was top 3 with like 330 points, he wouldn't rise to 1st round startup level, maybe not even 2nd.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
12 team Superflex. Large rosters.
Gave: 1.04, 4.11
Received: 1.08, 2.10, 2024 2nd, 2025 3rd
Gave: 1.04, 4.11
Received: 1.08, 2.10, 2024 2nd, 2025 3rd
Soulfly3
Footballguy
my hope for jeudy is consistent WR2 production with that obvious WR1 upside (which he 100% has, imo)
-OZ-
Footballguy
Why though? If he were a top 3 for 2023, with the improved coaching staff and presumably Wilson bouncing back, he’s 25 next year. He might not be a top 12 pick in every league with that, but probably should be.
Even if he isn’t, rookie first << startup first
ghostguy123
Footballguy
People just don't like him. It's like his name recognition is the opposite of some other guys who get a bump in value on name.Why though? If he were a top 3 for 2023, with the improved coaching staff and presumably Wilson bouncing back, he’s 25 next year. He might not be a top 12 pick in every league with that, but probably should be.
Even if he isn’t, rookie first << startup first
heckmanm
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
People just don't like him. It's like his name recognition is the opposite of some other guys who get a bump in value on name.Why though? If he were a top 3 for 2023, with the improved coaching staff and presumably Wilson bouncing back, he’s 25 next year. He might not be a top 12 pick in every league with that, but probably should be.
Even if he isn’t, rookie first << startup first
I get it. Which is so crazy, cuz he was an uber stud outta college. Humble kid too. But name recognition never makes me giddy... I just want some consistent production and hoping he gives it to me.
Boston
Footballguy
Why though? If he were a top 3 for 2023, with the improved coaching staff and presumably Wilson bouncing back, he’s 25 next year. He might not be a top 12 pick in every league with that, but probably should be.
Even if he isn’t, rookie first << startup first
i don’t think that equation is the correct way to look at it…it is not simply a pick in the 2024 draft but rather how you use the asset whether it is using the pick in the draft…using it to move around in the 2024 draft or using it to obtain a player other than Jeudy…or waiting till you are in-season and seeing how your team looks than using it to improve and get closer to a championship.
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I agree plus I can't say I care. I don't really acquire players on the premise of how the rest of my league will value the player in the future, mainly just on what I think the player can do for my team.Why though? If he were a top 3 for 2023, with the improved coaching staff and presumably Wilson bouncing back, he’s 25 next year. He might not be a top 12 pick in every league with that, but probably should be.
Even if he isn’t, rookie first << startup first
JohnnyU
Footballguy
meh. Not good or bad. Fair as fair gets. You have an idea who you want at 2.01 that you don't think will be there at 2.04.
Boston
Footballguy
Draftboard trade…makes sense either way based on how your draftboard looks.
dipandglide
Footballguy
12 tm, bestball, superflex, ppr
Gave: Ridley, Van Jefferson
Got: 1.11
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I'm out on Ridley at this price. Van Jefferson is good depth in bestball, but nothing special.
Gave: Ridley, Van Jefferson
Got: 1.11
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I'm out on Ridley at this price. Van Jefferson is good depth in bestball, but nothing special.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d happily sell Ridley for 1.11 if I had him, and there was a target on the board I wanted.
I’d also happily buy Ridley at this price if I were a contender and needed a WR, as he’s likely better than any WR on the board at 11.
Fair
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same league.
I gave: 2.16, 2024 3rd+2025 1st+2025 2nd
I rec’d: pick 2.04 (AJ Brown)
Had AJB a couple tiers higher than anyone else on the board, and I was planning on WR with the 2.16
I don’t know who’ll be there at 2.16, but I know ABJ is a much better.
Gives me a start of Mahomes, Lamb, AJB
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heckmanm
Footballguy
Yeah, didn't have a strong preference at 1.09.
Ended up passing on Addison, and took Zay Flowers and Kendre Miller.
heckmanm
Footballguy
A BJ is better than a lot of things
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Amen to that brother
dipandglide
Footballguy
Same league as above (12 tm, bestball, superflex, ppr)
Gave: Fields, 1.12
Got: ARich, 2.08
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The Fields side got more value. I got my guy. I wanted ARich and overpaid to make it happen.
Gave: Fields, 1.12
Got: ARich, 2.08
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The Fields side got more value. I got my guy. I wanted ARich and overpaid to make it happen.
Boston
Footballguy
I think you answered this yourself...if you want AR15 in SF and don't have a high pick you are probably gonna have to overpay and you definitely paid a lot...I have zero issues with what you did if you want him that bad and are willing to take the risk.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Respect going for your guy. But I have Fields worth more - the picks are on the wrong side.
And maybe still a bit far apart for my taste.
But ya got your dude.
I have found that when you make a trade with the intention of moving that player later it never turns out as good as you thought it would when you first conceived the idea. Same goes for drafting someone with the intention of trading them. Other owners are smart enough usually to see what your intent is and never cooperate.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is true.
That said, I think start-up drafts are a little different, especially SF, and large league.
With 28-32 picks between picks, teams near the turn might miss several tiers at several positions.
I’m not saying to draft just to trade. Always draft for value on the board especially in the early rounds. But I might still try to deal that player later in the draft to a team that whiffed on a position due to draft slotting.
Overall though I agree - drafting to deal a guy almost never works out. Dude who picked Dak in my startup apparently did that. Put him OTB, sent out offers, & no takers.
wlwiles
Footballguy
12 team SF PPR, no TEP. Start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2Flex, 1 SF
Startup draft (27 rounds) upcoming this summer. Team 1 below is the same team in every deal.
Team 1 gave 1.06, 4.07, 6.07 + 25% FAAB
Team 2 gave 1.01, 4.12, 6.12
Moved up from Lamar/JJettas to Mahomes, at the cost of sliding back 5 spots in the 4th and the 6th and some worthless faab. 1.01 guy should have asked for more.
Team 1 gave 10.07 + 2024 1st
Team 3 gave 4.10
Moved up from the 10th to the 4th for his 2024 1st. I was in the middle of productive talks with Team 1 to do a similar deal with me giving up a 6th when Team 3 agreed to this.
Team 1 gave 9.06 + 2024 2nd
Team 4 gave 7.08
Move up two rounds for a 2nd, ok.
Team 1 gave 11.06 + 2024 3rd
Team 5 gave 9.09
At this point might as well sell all 2024 picks for as much as you can.
Startup draft (27 rounds) upcoming this summer. Team 1 below is the same team in every deal.
Team 1 gave 1.06, 4.07, 6.07 + 25% FAAB
Team 2 gave 1.01, 4.12, 6.12
Moved up from Lamar/JJettas to Mahomes, at the cost of sliding back 5 spots in the 4th and the 6th and some worthless faab. 1.01 guy should have asked for more.
Team 1 gave 10.07 + 2024 1st
Team 3 gave 4.10
Moved up from the 10th to the 4th for his 2024 1st. I was in the middle of productive talks with Team 1 to do a similar deal with me giving up a 6th when Team 3 agreed to this.
Team 1 gave 9.06 + 2024 2nd
Team 4 gave 7.08
Move up two rounds for a 2nd, ok.
Team 1 gave 11.06 + 2024 3rd
Team 5 gave 9.09
At this point might as well sell all 2024 picks for as much as you can.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I assume he's going Jefferson. I've never done a startup, but that seems like a pretty good investment to get Jefferson.
Somewhat to that point: In an FFPC superflex best ball draft, I was on the clock at 1.11. No one wanted the pick. I'm not high on Charbonnet, but he was the best player available, so I took him, hoping I would have more luck trading him than I did trading the pick. Ended up doing this:
Gave: Charbonnet, '24 R3 (my own, likely the 3.01)
Got: David Montgomery, '24 R2 (my own, likely the 2.01)
The other team had my '24 R2 pick, which I desperately wanted back, because this is a best-ball league and my team is a strong contender for the 1.01. I figured I could flip Montgomery. I offered him for a '24 R2 to every other team in the league that had a second-rounder. I ended up trading him for what's sure to be a late 2nd. Net results:
Drafted Charbonnet at 1.11.
Traded Charbonnet and R3 (likely 3.01) for R2 (likely 2.01) and R2 (likely 2.11).
I probably took a slight net loss, but it wasn't a total disaster.
In a superflex he's likely going for Mahomes at 1.01, and if I'm trading down from the 1.01 in a superflex startup, the minimum I'm settling for is the other team's first-round startup and first-round rookie pick, plus extra. This seems way light to me. In FFPC Triflex, which has a similar starting lineup/scoring to this, the 3.05 is the QB16, and the 5.05 is the WR21 or RB12.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Wow. You really like A-RIch. That is a vast overpay. Like you should have got that and kept the 1.12 IMO.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
16 team startup SF PPR IDP TE-P
I gave: 4.01 + 13.16 + 2024 6th
I rec’d: 3.14 OTC + 16.04
There were 3 picks to go, and three players left before a pretty sizable tier drop at running back, and my wide receiver target in Drake London had just been picked by a team building for 2024.
London was my fallback option if I missed the two running backs I wanted, so I was stuck with two players I really wanted and 3 picks to go.
I took: Rhamondre Stevenson
I gave: 4.01 + 13.16 + 2024 6th
I rec’d: 3.14 OTC + 16.04
There were 3 picks to go, and three players left before a pretty sizable tier drop at running back, and my wide receiver target in Drake London had just been picked by a team building for 2024.
London was my fallback option if I missed the two running backs I wanted, so I was stuck with two players I really wanted and 3 picks to go.
I took: Rhamondre Stevenson
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That feels a little bit late for Fields. But I guess that depends on where the first is going to be in 2024.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Really light for the 1.01. I would look to trade out of the pick as well, but I would have taken his 2.08 and 5.05 and a bump in a later round. Like move up from round 11 to round 9.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Seems pretty low cost to get your guy.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I would take Fields, but I see both sides. If I was rebuilding I would easily take the Young side.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That was my feeling as well
dipandglide
Footballguy
Seems fair. I'd take the Young side in a 5 pt passing league.
I like the Young side. Young seems to be a bit polarizing due to the size, but he just seems to have "it".
Birdie048
Footballguy
Not a Young believer. Don’t see his physical limitations as worth the price
Give me Fields
