****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (27 Viewers)

[Dr. Octopus]

Carr, Dobbins, Cooks, 2.02

for

Garret Wilson

Very, very cheap for Wilson.

Can’t figure out why anyone would trade away Wilson for that bucket of average.

 

[Boston]

Carr, Dobbins, Cooks, 2.02

for

Garret Wilson

Very, very cheap for Wilson.

Can’t figure out why anyone would trade away Wilson for that bucket of average.

Such a lack of upside in this deal...I assume this is SF because Carr appears to be big piece and while it's always great to acquire a QB in that format with Wilson involved you need to aim higher...I don't understand the Cooks part since this is Dynasty...2.2 is a decent pick but you didn't even get a #1 back...Dobbins is a quality get but no way should he be the centerpiece of a deal involving Wilson.

 

[titusbramble]

Suppose it all depends on whether Dobbins can get back to anywhere near his pre-injury level of play, which I'm somewhat sceptical about

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Suppose it all depends on whether Dobbins can get back to anywhere near his pre-injury level of play, which I'm somewhat sceptical about

As you suggest, it's no guarantee he ever regains his complete form but even if he does he's still dealing with Lamar Jackson and Gus Edwards splitting carries with him - we've seen it, even when healthy. I just don't think Dobbins should be the centerpiece of a deal like this. Wilson should demand a much better return.

 

[DrinkinBuddy]

Superflex PPR dynasty trade offer proposed by other owner:

My Russell Wilson

for

His Trey Lance and Brandin Cooks

My other QBs: Dak, Howell, Mac Jones

Do I take it?

 

[osubuckeyeman]

1 QB PPR performance scoring.

Team A: Gives Joe Mixon

Team B: Gives Jayden Reed and a 2024 mid-round 3rd-round pick.


Same league a day later. (Different Owners)

Team A: Gives AJ Dillion (team B owns Aaron Jones)

Team B: Gives Elijah Moore

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Superflex PPR dynasty trade offer proposed by other owner:

My Russell Wilson

for

His Trey Lance and Brandin Cooks

My other QBs: Dak, Howell, Mac Jones

Do I take it?

I suppose it depends on your wide receivers. Are you in serious need of an aging wide receiver with an upside? I think Cooks will have good games here and there but predicting when they happen could be difficult. Gallup, Lamb, Ferguson, Pollard, and I think the rookie last year Tolbert ( I think that is his last name.) are all there so there are a lot of weapons for Dak to spread the ball to. I would pass myself unless I really needed help at the wide receiver position. I would forget about Lance and see if I could get a better wide receiver out of trading Wilson if I was going to. Supflex makes me say no to this trade as is. Even in 1 QB, I would be more likely not to accept this.

 

[Boston]

Superflex PPR dynasty trade offer proposed by other owner:

My Russell Wilson

for

His Trey Lance and Brandin Cooks

My other QBs: Dak, Howell, Mac Jones

Do I take it?

i don’t see the need to do this…I fully understand wanting to move on from Wilson but I don’t like the return…Wilson was awful last year but there is still hope with Payton onboard…if he can correct him you would really regret this and even if he doesn’t this is a deal you that Is nothing special…Cooks does nothing for me as far as dynasty goes and while Lance is intriguing as hell there is still a lot that needs to happen for him to become fantasy relevant…I would look for another deal if you want to move on from Wilson…it is SF…you can always figure something out.

 

[Boston]

1 QB PPR performance scoring.

Team A: Gives Joe Mixon

Team B: Gives Jayden Reed and a 2024 mid-round 3rd-round pick.


Same league a day later. (Different Owners)

Team A: Gives AJ Dillion (team B owns Aaron Jones)

Team B: Gives Elijah Moore

Mixon pretty easily…that is a definite buy low…give me Dillon on the second one…with Jones already on the roster this is an absolute no-brainer…Dillon still has upside and he plays a position where you can never have enough depth…WRs like Moore are pretty easy to find so I don’t see the need to acquire him at this price.

 

[JohnnyU]

1 QB PPR performance scoring.

Team A: Gives Joe Mixon

Team B: Gives Jayden Reed and a 2024 mid-round 3rd-round pick.


Same league a day later. (Different Owners)

Team A: Gives AJ Dillion (team B owns Aaron Jones)

Team B: Gives Elijah Moore

Mixon and Dillon for me.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

1 QB PPR performance scoring.

Team A: Gives Joe Mixon

Team B: Gives Jayden Reed and a 2024 mid-round 3rd-round pick.


Same league a day later. (Different Owners)

Team A: Gives AJ Dillion (team B owns Aaron Jones)

Team B: Gives Elijah Moore

Mixon pretty easily…that is a definite buy low…give me Dillon on the second one…with Jones already on the roster this is an absolute no-brainer…Dillon still has upside and he plays a position where you can never have enough depth…WRs like Moore are pretty easy to find so I don’t see the need to acquire him at this price.

I think the one deal spurred the other. I find this happens from time to time.

 

[Da Franchise]

FFPC

Gave: Pitts, Olave

Got: Garrett Wilson, Mattison, Juwan Johnson, early 24 2nd

Gives me a lineup of

Burrow
Bijan
Mattison
Jefferson
Chase
Lamb
Wilson
Hockenson

Man those five team leagues are really heating up

Don’t know if you’re going for a compliment or shade, but I worked my *** off to build that team. Orphan with a three year total rebuild with an easy 50+ trades. Was 50/50 to either win or finish 2nd last year until Bengals/Bills happened.

It’s one of the OG leagues at FFPC. There is another but much older super team, and 2 other contenders. 3 or 4 really terrible teams too.

Best part is I own next years 1st and 2nd of a contender for the 1.01

Traded my way to the top.

 

[Da Franchise]

1 QB PPR performance scoring.

Team A: Gives Joe Mixon

Team B: Gives Jayden Reed and a 2024 mid-round 3rd-round pick.


Same league a day later. (Different Owners)

Team A: Gives AJ Dillion (team B owns Aaron Jones)

Team B: Gives Elijah Moore

Mixon pretty easily…that is a definite buy low…give me Dillon on the second one…with Jones already on the roster this is an absolute no-brainer…Dillon still has upside and he plays a position where you can never have enough depth…WRs like Moore are pretty easy to find so I don’t see the need to acquire him at this price.

Disagree here. I’d like to see the 3rd be a 2nd instead, but I love me some Jayden Reed. In a year or two this won’t be close. I guess the one caveat is if Mixon is the difference between a championship or not, but there are ways to deal with that in season.

It’s short on value but if I have to choose a side, give me Reed.

 

[Dez]

1 QB PPR performance scoring.

Team A: Gives Joe Mixon

Team B: Gives Jayden Reed and a 2024 mid-round 3rd-round pick.


Same league a day later. (Different Owners)

Team A: Gives AJ Dillion (team B owns Aaron Jones)

Team B: Gives Elijah Moore

Mixon pretty easily…that is a definite buy low…give me Dillon on the second one…with Jones already on the roster this is an absolute no-brainer…Dillon still has upside and he plays a position where you can never have enough depth…WRs like Moore are pretty easy to find so I don’t see the need to acquire him at this price.

Disagree here. I’d like to see the 3rd be a 2nd instead, but I love me some Jayden Reed. In a year or two this won’t be close. I guess the one caveat is if Mixon is the difference between a championship or not, but there are ways to deal with that in season.

It’s short on value but if I have to choose a side, give me Reed.

That is how it always works when you trade for an old guy in a few years it will always be "not close" when they are out of the league.

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 2024 1st (mine and of course I think it's late but I'm sure my partner hopes it will be early)
I got Roschon Johnson, 2024 2nd (from a 3rd party that I think will make it early)

So when I win the ship this could be 1.12 for Johnson and 2.01. Or...watch out for in your ear.

This is the inaugural year - did the startup back in April and came away with five future 1sts. Not deep at RB so I'm shopping around. That gives me Gibbs, Rachaad White and now Roschon.

 

[Da Franchise]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 2024 1st (mine and of course I think it's late but I'm sure my partner hopes it will be early)
I got Roschon Johnson, 2024 2nd (from a 3rd party that I think will make it early)

So when I win the ship this could be 1.12 for Johnson and 2.01. Or...watch out for in your ear.

This is the inaugural year - did the startup back in April and came away with five future 1sts. Not deep at RB so I'm shopping around. That gives me Gibbs, Rachaad White and now Roschon.

I don’t think it’s very good business to make these kind of deals off the heels of a startup.

Let’s say it is.

I find it difficult to understand how you have 5 future 1sts (or is it 4 now) and expect to win a ship. Sure, you can trade them, but if your team can flip flop between those extremes, so can every other team, which brings us back to my point of assessing the value of future picks right after a startup.

The other problem is Roschone, who I do like, is nowhere near worth the delta between a mid 24 1st and 2nd. Which is about the best approximation you can make right now.

Personally I think you just hit a tee shot out of bounds, but I hope it works out for you.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Carr, Dobbins, Cooks, 2.02

for

Garret Wilson

Oof.

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 2024 1st (mine and of course I think it's late but I'm sure my partner hopes it will be early)
I got Roschon Johnson, 2024 2nd (from a 3rd party that I think will make it early)

So when I win the ship this could be 1.12 for Johnson and 2.01. Or...watch out for in your ear.

This is the inaugural year - did the startup back in April and came away with five future 1sts. Not deep at RB so I'm shopping around. That gives me Gibbs, Rachaad White and now Roschon.

I don’t think it’s very good business to make these kind of deals off the heels of a startup.

Let’s say it is.

I find it difficult to understand how you have 5 future 1sts (or is it 4 now) and expect to win a ship. Sure, you can trade them, but if your team can flip flop between those extremes, so can every other team, which brings us back to my point of assessing the value of future picks right after a startup.

The other problem is Roschone, who I do like, is nowhere near worth the delta between a mid 24 1st and 2nd. Which is about the best approximation you can make right now.

Personally I think you just hit a tee shot out of bounds, but I hope it works out for you.

lol ok well I'm mostly joking around when I talk about winning a ship. it was implicit that it could swing the other way (that was the 'in your ear' line that nobody ever seems to get) - you act like I didn't consider that. the odds are against me winning the ship but Imma play it that way anyway because I did draft from the startup with the intention to compete right away. which I do successfully all the time. for some reason people kept giving me their 1sts in this one. RB is my only weakness and it isn't necessarily a weakness I'm just not deep. (I also have McKinnon and Mostert whatever)

I don't *expect* to win the ship but I do expect to be competitive and to be in position to win it. and to flip the value on that trade.

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

 

[Da Franchise]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 2024 1st (mine and of course I think it's late but I'm sure my partner hopes it will be early)
I got Roschon Johnson, 2024 2nd (from a 3rd party that I think will make it early)

So when I win the ship this could be 1.12 for Johnson and 2.01. Or...watch out for in your ear.

This is the inaugural year - did the startup back in April and came away with five future 1sts. Not deep at RB so I'm shopping around. That gives me Gibbs, Rachaad White and now Roschon.

I don’t think it’s very good business to make these kind of deals off the heels of a startup.

Let’s say it is.

I find it difficult to understand how you have 5 future 1sts (or is it 4 now) and expect to win a ship. Sure, you can trade them, but if your team can flip flop between those extremes, so can every other team, which brings us back to my point of assessing the value of future picks right after a startup.

The other problem is Roschone, who I do like, is nowhere near worth the delta between a mid 24 1st and 2nd. Which is about the best approximation you can make right now.

Personally I think you just hit a tee shot out of bounds, but I hope it works out for you.

lol ok well I'm mostly joking around when I talk about winning a ship. it was implicit that it could swing the other way (that was the 'in your ear' line that nobody ever seems to get) - you act like I didn't consider that. the odds are against me winning the ship but Imma play it that way anyway because I did draft from the startup with the intention to compete right away. which I do successfully all the time. for some reason people kept giving me their 1sts in this one. RB is my only weakness and it isn't necessarily a weakness I'm just not deep. (I also have McKinnon and Mostert whatever)

I don't *expect* to win the ship but I do expect to be competitive and to be in position to win it. and to flip the value on that trade.

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

Cool, I got the Field of Dreams line.

What’s the rest of your roster? I’ll reply to the rest after. Not being confrontational, just giving my honest feedback.

 

[menobrown]

1 QB PPR performance scoring.

Team A: Gives Joe Mixon

Team B: Gives Jayden Reed and a 2024 mid-round 3rd-round pick.


Same league a day later. (Different Owners)

Team A: Gives AJ Dillion (team B owns Aaron Jones)

Team B: Gives Elijah Moore

M&M

 

[BigAl21]

Just picked up a cheap orphan. Made a few quick deals which I am surprised got done;
FFPC, 1QB

Gave; Pollard
Got; 1st, DJ Moore, 4th

Gave; Hurts
Got; Flowers, Kendra Miller, 1st

Gave Flowers
Got; Dotson

Don’t have a great QB behind Hirts but this value in 1 QB seemed too good to pass

Total:
Gave; Pollard, Hurts
Got; 2 x 2024 1sts, DJ Moore, Dotson, Miller, 4th

 

[BearsFan4Life]

14 Team .. No PPR

A got: Chubb
B got: RStevenson and Javonte Williams

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 2024 1st (mine and of course I think it's late but I'm sure my partner hopes it will be early)
I got Roschon Johnson, 2024 2nd (from a 3rd party that I think will make it early)

So when I win the ship this could be 1.12 for Johnson and 2.01. Or...watch out for in your ear.

This is the inaugural year - did the startup back in April and came away with five future 1sts. Not deep at RB so I'm shopping around. That gives me Gibbs, Rachaad White and now Roschon.

I don’t think it’s very good business to make these kind of deals off the heels of a startup.

Let’s say it is.

I find it difficult to understand how you have 5 future 1sts (or is it 4 now) and expect to win a ship. Sure, you can trade them, but if your team can flip flop between those extremes, so can every other team, which brings us back to my point of assessing the value of future picks right after a startup.

The other problem is Roschone, who I do like, is nowhere near worth the delta between a mid 24 1st and 2nd. Which is about the best approximation you can make right now.

Personally I think you just hit a tee shot out of bounds, but I hope it works out for you.

lol ok well I'm mostly joking around when I talk about winning a ship. it was implicit that it could swing the other way (that was the 'in your ear' line that nobody ever seems to get) - you act like I didn't consider that. the odds are against me winning the ship but Imma play it that way anyway because I did draft from the startup with the intention to compete right away. which I do successfully all the time. for some reason people kept giving me their 1sts in this one. RB is my only weakness and it isn't necessarily a weakness I'm just not deep. (I also have McKinnon and Mostert whatever)

I don't *expect* to win the ship but I do expect to be competitive and to be in position to win it. and to flip the value on that trade.

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

Cool, I got the Field of Dreams line.

What’s the rest of your roster? I’ll reply to the rest after. Not being confrontational, just giving my honest feedback.

all good. My roster is:

Geno Smith, Mac Jones and Desmond Ridder (ok not elite but solid producers and I happen to believe in both the younger guys)
Gibbs, White, R Johnson, McKinnon, Mostert
Metcalf, Dotson, Watson, Burks, Doubs
Pitts, Gesicki, Ferguson

four 1sts

I think it's a playoff team

 

[BigAl21]

FFPC

Gave: Pitts, Olave

Got: Garrett Wilson, Mattison, Juwan Johnson, early 24 2nd

Gives me a lineup of

Burrow
Bijan
Mattison
Jefferson
Chase
Lamb
Wilson
Hockenson

Man those five team leagues are really heating up

Don’t know if you’re going for a compliment or shade, but I worked my *** off to build that team. Orphan with a three year total rebuild with an easy 50+ trades. Was 50/50 to either win or finish 2nd last year until Bengals/Bills happened.

It’s one of the OG leagues at FFPC. There is another but much older super team, and 2 other contenders. 3 or 4 really terrible teams too.

Best part is I own next years 1st and 2nd of a contender for the 1.01

Traded my way to the top.

I had what I considered a super team going in FFPC, but it was low end $77 where it’s easier to trade-no handcuff on future firsts- and was easier move pieces around the chess board. Not sure what price point that team is but even at $77 I know the work involved. If it’s a higher price point all the more power to you. Ultimately I just sold of mine on DD because the price was just too high to pass.

Nice work

 

[eighsse2]

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

I would be more than happy to get him with my #8 pick, but don't expect him to fall that far.

 

[joey]

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

I would be more than happy to get him with my #8 pick, but don't expect him to fall that far.

Roschon at 1.8? Wow. He’s shooting up the rookie rankings.

 

[Da Franchise]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 2024 1st (mine and of course I think it's late but I'm sure my partner hopes it will be early)
I got Roschon Johnson, 2024 2nd (from a 3rd party that I think will make it early)

So when I win the ship this could be 1.12 for Johnson and 2.01. Or...watch out for in your ear.

This is the inaugural year - did the startup back in April and came away with five future 1sts. Not deep at RB so I'm shopping around. That gives me Gibbs, Rachaad White and now Roschon.

I don’t think it’s very good business to make these kind of deals off the heels of a startup.

Let’s say it is.

I find it difficult to understand how you have 5 future 1sts (or is it 4 now) and expect to win a ship. Sure, you can trade them, but if your team can flip flop between those extremes, so can every other team, which brings us back to my point of assessing the value of future picks right after a startup.

The other problem is Roschone, who I do like, is nowhere near worth the delta between a mid 24 1st and 2nd. Which is about the best approximation you can make right now.

Personally I think you just hit a tee shot out of bounds, but I hope it works out for you.

lol ok well I'm mostly joking around when I talk about winning a ship. it was implicit that it could swing the other way (that was the 'in your ear' line that nobody ever seems to get) - you act like I didn't consider that. the odds are against me winning the ship but Imma play it that way anyway because I did draft from the startup with the intention to compete right away. which I do successfully all the time. for some reason people kept giving me their 1sts in this one. RB is my only weakness and it isn't necessarily a weakness I'm just not deep. (I also have McKinnon and Mostert whatever)

I don't *expect* to win the ship but I do expect to be competitive and to be in position to win it. and to flip the value on that trade.

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

Cool, I got the Field of Dreams line.

What’s the rest of your roster? I’ll reply to the rest after. Not being confrontational, just giving my honest feedback.

all good. My roster is:

Geno Smith, Mac Jones and Desmond Ridder (ok not elite but solid producers and I happen to believe in both the younger guys)
Gibbs, White, R Johnson, McKinnon, Mostert
Metcalf, Dotson, Watson, Burks, Doubs
Pitts, Gesicki, Ferguson

four 1sts

I think it's a playoff team

I just finished a $1250 Tri Flex startup (#39) and am registered for #40 too, so my head is definitely in this. I think you did very well overall. Nice young receiver room, Gibbs as hero, Pitts long term. To have all that and 4 1sts is quite well done. And I don’t mind your QBs. I ended up with Geno/Rodgers/Purdy in mine so we are on a similar wavelength there. I would quibble with Ridder, think he’s benched around week 9 or so and that’s it, and Mac Jones sucks *** and might well get benched for Zappe. Those are just some player takes though so I don’t mind the strategy. I definitely do not expect any of your receivers to finish in the top 15, maybe not top 24 this season, but there is plenty of future upside and they should hold value.

I don’t think you should have traded your own 1st though. Certainly not for a no sure thing like Roschone. Hard to say whether it’s a playoff team without surveying your division and league in general, but on the surface if I just had to handicap it, would say you miss and are a contender for the Marvin Harrison sweepstakes. If you were to make playoffs I wouldn’t bet you getting out of the 1st round as a 5 or 6 seed.

If you’re all in on Roschone and it’s a get your guy kinda thing, I guess I get it, but from my couch he’s going to struggle to get through Foreman for early down and short yardage and Herbert for change of pace and check downs this year. Not to mention Fields steals most. I do like his game and think he hits eventually if you exercise patience, but we’re still talking about a 4th round running back and these hoes ain’t loyal when it comes to front offices and RBs they didn’t kill themselves to acquire. Definitely would not deal a 1st for a guy like that as we sit in June. Think you put yourself in a spot where you need to be really, really right.

Sorry but I stand by my earlier assessment. I do hope it works out for you though.

You’re welcome to critique mine if you like.

Geno/Rodgers/Purdy

Pollard/Achane/Kendre Miller/Penny/Ford/Jamaal Williams/Fournette

Chase/Garrett Wilson/DeVonte Smith/Mingo/Jayden Reed

Dulchic/Musgrave/Engram/Hurst

Still have my 1st. Traded my 2nd and 3rd. I feel 50/50 to make the playoffs as we sit now.

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 2024 1st (mine and of course I think it's late but I'm sure my partner hopes it will be early)
I got Roschon Johnson, 2024 2nd (from a 3rd party that I think will make it early)

So when I win the ship this could be 1.12 for Johnson and 2.01. Or...watch out for in your ear.

This is the inaugural year - did the startup back in April and came away with five future 1sts. Not deep at RB so I'm shopping around. That gives me Gibbs, Rachaad White and now Roschon.

I don’t think it’s very good business to make these kind of deals off the heels of a startup.

Let’s say it is.

I find it difficult to understand how you have 5 future 1sts (or is it 4 now) and expect to win a ship. Sure, you can trade them, but if your team can flip flop between those extremes, so can every other team, which brings us back to my point of assessing the value of future picks right after a startup.

The other problem is Roschone, who I do like, is nowhere near worth the delta between a mid 24 1st and 2nd. Which is about the best approximation you can make right now.

Personally I think you just hit a tee shot out of bounds, but I hope it works out for you.

lol ok well I'm mostly joking around when I talk about winning a ship. it was implicit that it could swing the other way (that was the 'in your ear' line that nobody ever seems to get) - you act like I didn't consider that. the odds are against me winning the ship but Imma play it that way anyway because I did draft from the startup with the intention to compete right away. which I do successfully all the time. for some reason people kept giving me their 1sts in this one. RB is my only weakness and it isn't necessarily a weakness I'm just not deep. (I also have McKinnon and Mostert whatever)

I don't *expect* to win the ship but I do expect to be competitive and to be in position to win it. and to flip the value on that trade.

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

Cool, I got the Field of Dreams line.

What’s the rest of your roster? I’ll reply to the rest after. Not being confrontational, just giving my honest feedback.

all good. My roster is:

Geno Smith, Mac Jones and Desmond Ridder (ok not elite but solid producers and I happen to believe in both the younger guys)
Gibbs, White, R Johnson, McKinnon, Mostert
Metcalf, Dotson, Watson, Burks, Doubs
Pitts, Gesicki, Ferguson

four 1sts

I think it's a playoff team

Those are just some player takes though so I don’t mind the strategy. I appreciate this more than you know. So many times we all get lost in the weeds of player takes when we might approach things very similarly otherwise.

I don’t think you should have traded your own 1st though. Certainly not for a no sure thing like Roschone. Hard to say whether it’s a playoff team without surveying your division and league in general, but on the surface if I just had to handicap it, would say you miss and are a contender for the Marvin Harrison sweepstakes. If you were to make playoffs I wouldn’t bet you getting out of the 1st round as a 5 or 6 seed. None of this bothers me though. Main reason I like moving my own 1st (in this spot) is because I control my own destiny and anticipate being in a stronger position a couple months from now, coupled with what I consider to be leverage as many people will look at my roster the same way you do and if I'm right then I'm getting great value. I like to bet on myself. As for Roschon....

If you’re all in on Roschone and it’s a get your guy kinda thing, I guess I get it, but from my couch he’s going to struggle to get through Foreman for early down and short yardage and Herbert for change of pace and check downs this year. Not to mention Fields steals most. I do like his game and think he hits eventually if you exercise patience, but we’re still talking about a 4th round running back and these hoes ain’t loyal when it comes to front offices and RBs they didn’t kill themselves to acquire. Definitely would not deal a 1st for a guy like that as we sit in June. Think you put yourself in a spot where you need to be really, really right. I'm not all-in on him and I subscribe to the school that says if you're not losing a trade once in a while you're not trading enough. I do like him a lot but yes it's a timeshare with a mobile QB and he doesn't have great draft capital. I think the FF landscape has shifted though and that these RBs are ones you need to take shots on. Late 1st early 2nd rookie picks for guys with lots of upside (and I do think he has that) but with very very non-sexy floors that people don't want to pay for but that I am arguing you need on your squad nowadays. Someone you can plug in for 10 FPs and maybe he breaks a long one (he is a big play waiting to happen). My expectations are tempered.

One other thought -just on the WRs on my team - I think Burks, Metcalf and Dotson can all lead their respective teams this year in receiving stats and to do it starting week 1. I believe Doubs can do the same but if I'm wrong it's Watson. So I am betting that my young WR room will do better than consensus (I think most would agree with you). I need Pitts to really step up if I'm going to compete this year though. I actually think Gesicki is maybe the biggest sleeper in all formats right now. They're going to throw to him a ton in New England and no one seems to care. Problems with Mac were 100% on Matt Patricia last year - I give Mac tons of credit for calling out just how dumb their coaching was. Don't get me wrong - that's not the BB way and he may very well get benched but I like his talent. And Ridder needs to take a big step this year but I think he can. The points he'll get with his feet could be a coup for anyone waiting on QB in pretty much any format.

So yeah I do need to be right to make the playoffs, but I don't think this Roschon trade moves the needle in either direction really. Just seems like an easy trade for me with not as much risk as I think meets the eye (though it is definitely there). I also don't mind a little risk.

Geno/Rodgers/Purdy

Pollard/Achane/Kendre Miller/Penny/Ford/Jamaal Williams/Fournette

Chase/Garrett Wilson/DeVonte Smith/Mingo/Jayden Reed

Dulchic/Musgrave/Engram/Hurst

Still have my 1st. Traded my 2nd and 3rd. I feel 50/50 to make the playoffs as we sit now.

So yeah similar strategies - I like it. Really the only thing is player takes, which are what they are. I like the cheap QBs and think you'll do fine there. I like Miller and Pollard, don't mind the other backs either but I think Achane and Penny are likely too expensive for my taste but whatevs. Top 3 WRs are strong and for waiting on TE I think you did very well there too. I think you'll need either or both of Miller and Ford to really step up out of the gates for you to make the playoffs, and for at least one TE to carry you. I think Engram can do that to a degree.

ETA I put responses embedded into the quote - there's more there up above if you expand it...

 

[eighsse2]

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

I would be more than happy to get him with my #8 pick, but don't expect him to fall that far.

Roschon at 1.8? Wow. He’s shooting up the rookie rankings.

RB crazy league essentially guaranteed to have 8 minimum RB's in the first round every year. I don't have records of the drafts exactly, but based on memory I'd bet money that we've never had fewer than 8 since I joined 12+ years ago.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

14 Team .. No PPR

A got: Chubb
B got: RStevenson and Javonte Williams

Actually deal turned out to be even more ...

Chubb

for

RStevenson/Javonte WIlliams/2023 - 2.03

 

[Da Franchise]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 2024 1st (mine and of course I think it's late but I'm sure my partner hopes it will be early)
I got Roschon Johnson, 2024 2nd (from a 3rd party that I think will make it early)

So when I win the ship this could be 1.12 for Johnson and 2.01. Or...watch out for in your ear.

This is the inaugural year - did the startup back in April and came away with five future 1sts. Not deep at RB so I'm shopping around. That gives me Gibbs, Rachaad White and now Roschon.

I don’t think it’s very good business to make these kind of deals off the heels of a startup.

Let’s say it is.

I find it difficult to understand how you have 5 future 1sts (or is it 4 now) and expect to win a ship. Sure, you can trade them, but if your team can flip flop between those extremes, so can every other team, which brings us back to my point of assessing the value of future picks right after a startup.

The other problem is Roschone, who I do like, is nowhere near worth the delta between a mid 24 1st and 2nd. Which is about the best approximation you can make right now.

Personally I think you just hit a tee shot out of bounds, but I hope it works out for you.

lol ok well I'm mostly joking around when I talk about winning a ship. it was implicit that it could swing the other way (that was the 'in your ear' line that nobody ever seems to get) - you act like I didn't consider that. the odds are against me winning the ship but Imma play it that way anyway because I did draft from the startup with the intention to compete right away. which I do successfully all the time. for some reason people kept giving me their 1sts in this one. RB is my only weakness and it isn't necessarily a weakness I'm just not deep. (I also have McKinnon and Mostert whatever)

I don't *expect* to win the ship but I do expect to be competitive and to be in position to win it. and to flip the value on that trade.

And yes Roschon is worth the delta between a mid 1st and 2nd. Hard disagree there.

Cool, I got the Field of Dreams line.

What’s the rest of your roster? I’ll reply to the rest after. Not being confrontational, just giving my honest feedback.

all good. My roster is:

Geno Smith, Mac Jones and Desmond Ridder (ok not elite but solid producers and I happen to believe in both the younger guys)
Gibbs, White, R Johnson, McKinnon, Mostert
Metcalf, Dotson, Watson, Burks, Doubs
Pitts, Gesicki, Ferguson

four 1sts

I think it's a playoff team

Those are just some player takes though so I don’t mind the strategy. I appreciate this more than you know. So many times we all get lost in the weeds of player takes when we might approach things very similarly otherwise.

I don’t think you should have traded your own 1st though. Certainly not for a no sure thing like Roschone. Hard to say whether it’s a playoff team without surveying your division and league in general, but on the surface if I just had to handicap it, would say you miss and are a contender for the Marvin Harrison sweepstakes. If you were to make playoffs I wouldn’t bet you getting out of the 1st round as a 5 or 6 seed. None of this bothers me though. Main reason I like moving my own 1st (in this spot) is because I control my own destiny and anticipate being in a stronger position a couple months from now, coupled with what I consider to be leverage as many people will look at my roster the same way you do and if I'm right then I'm getting great value. I like to bet on myself. As for Roschon....

If you’re all in on Roschone and it’s a get your guy kinda thing, I guess I get it, but from my couch he’s going to struggle to get through Foreman for early down and short yardage and Herbert for change of pace and check downs this year. Not to mention Fields steals most. I do like his game and think he hits eventually if you exercise patience, but we’re still talking about a 4th round running back and these hoes ain’t loyal when it comes to front offices and RBs they didn’t kill themselves to acquire. Definitely would not deal a 1st for a guy like that as we sit in June. Think you put yourself in a spot where you need to be really, really right. I'm not all-in on him and I subscribe to the school that says if you're not losing a trade once in a while you're not trading enough. I do like him a lot but yes it's a timeshare with a mobile QB and he doesn't have great draft capital. I think the FF landscape has shifted though and that these RBs are ones you need to take shots on. Late 1st early 2nd rookie picks for guys with lots of upside (and I do think he has that) but with very very non-sexy floors that people don't want to pay for but that I am arguing you need on your squad nowadays. Someone you can plug in for 10 FPs and maybe he breaks a long one (he is a big play waiting to happen). My expectations are tempered.

One other thought -just on the WRs on my team - I think Burks, Metcalf and Dotson can all lead their respective teams this year in receiving stats and to do it starting week 1. I believe Doubs can do the same but if I'm wrong it's Watson. So I am betting that my young WR room will do better than consensus (I think most would agree with you). I need Pitts to really step up if I'm going to compete this year though. I actually think Gesicki is maybe the biggest sleeper in all formats right now. They're going to throw to him a ton in New England and no one seems to care. Problems with Mac were 100% on Matt Patricia last year - I give Mac tons of credit for calling out just how dumb their coaching was. Don't get me wrong - that's not the BB way and he may very well get benched but I like his talent. And Ridder needs to take a big step this year but I think he can. The points he'll get with his feet could be a coup for anyone waiting on QB in pretty much any format.

So yeah I do need to be right to make the playoffs, but I don't think this Roschon trade moves the needle in either direction really. Just seems like an easy trade for me with not as much risk as I think meets the eye (though it is definitely there). I also don't mind a little risk.

Geno/Rodgers/Purdy

Pollard/Achane/Kendre Miller/Penny/Ford/Jamaal Williams/Fournette

Chase/Garrett Wilson/DeVonte Smith/Mingo/Jayden Reed

Dulchic/Musgrave/Engram/Hurst

Still have my 1st. Traded my 2nd and 3rd. I feel 50/50 to make the playoffs as we sit now.

So yeah similar strategies - I like it. Really the only thing is player takes, which are what they are. I like the cheap QBs and think you'll do fine there. I like Miller and Pollard, don't mind the other backs either but I think Achane and Penny are likely too expensive for my taste but whatevs. Top 3 WRs are strong and for waiting on TE I think you did very well there too. I think you'll need either or both of Miller and Ford to really step up out of the gates for you to make the playoffs, and for at least one TE to carry you. I think Engram can do that to a degree.

ETA I put responses embedded into the quote - there's more there up above if you expand it...

Thanks for the reply. We seem to disagree on players a good bit but strategy seems pretty similar. I’m totally with you on trading and am willing lose some here and there. You should join the Tri Flex we’re trying to fill, bet we’d do a lot of business given how we see certain players.

I still think you paid too much for Roschone but that’s what makes this fun. I haven’t landed him anywhere yet, but he’s a likely trade target for me during the season, especially if he starts slow which I tend to think he will. I’m always looking to take shots on cheap RBs. Cheers man, hope it works out.

 

[Da Franchise]

14 Team .. No PPR

A got: Chubb
B got: RStevenson and Javonte Williams

Actually deal turned out to be even more ...

Chubb

for

RStevenson/Javonte WIlliams/2023 - 2.03

Wow. Stevenson side for me easily and I’ve never been a Javonte guy.

 

[Jayded]

16 team Superflex TE Premium PPR Devy Dynasty:

I gave : Emeka Egbuka + 2023 late 3rd
I got : Christian Watson

The 3rd this year was in the Antwane Wells / Perry Thompson territory. Tough to give up on Egbuka’s potential, but I’m in contention this year, so having Watson could put me over the top.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

14 Team .. No PPR

A got: Chubb
B got: RStevenson and Javonte Williams

Actually deal turned out to be even more ...

Chubb

for

RStevenson/Javonte WIlliams/2023 - 2.03

They had to add to Stevenson and Williams? Makes no sense.

 

[titusbramble]

14 Team .. No PPR

A got: Chubb
B got: RStevenson and Javonte Williams

Actually deal turned out to be even more ...

Chubb

for

RStevenson/Javonte WIlliams/2023 - 2.03

They had to add to Stevenson and Williams? Makes no sense.

I'm not sure I rate Chubb significantly higher than either of those RB's on their own, if at all. To get both as well as a pick is highway robbery

 

[Dr. Octopus]

14 Team .. No PPR

A got: Chubb
B got: RStevenson and Javonte Williams

Actually deal turned out to be even more ...

Chubb

for

RStevenson/Javonte WIlliams/2023 - 2.03

They had to add to Stevenson and Williams? Makes no sense.

I'm not sure I rate Chubb significantly higher than either of those RB's on their own, if at all. To get both as well as a pick is highway robbery

I'd take Stevenson over him in both redraft and dynasty so it's not like this is even a "win now" move, imo. It truly makes zero sense for the guy getting Chubb.

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC 1 QB

Brandin Cooks
For
2024 4th rounder

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

14 Team .. No PPR

A got: Chubb
B got: RStevenson and Javonte Williams

Actually deal turned out to be even more ...

Chubb

for

RStevenson/Javonte WIlliams/2023 - 2.03

They had to add to Stevenson and Williams? Makes no sense.

I'm not sure I rate Chubb significantly higher than either of those RB's on their own, if at all. To get both as well as a pick is highway robbery

I'd take Stevenson over him in both redraft and dynasty so it's not like this is even a "win now" move, imo. It truly makes zero sense for the guy getting Chubb.

There have been a few recent write-ups projecting Chubb for a monster season.

Maybe the team getting Chubb has been reading them avidly.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

14 Team .. No PPR

A got: Chubb
B got: RStevenson and Javonte Williams

Actually deal turned out to be even more ...

Chubb

for

RStevenson/Javonte WIlliams/2023 - 2.03

They had to add to Stevenson and Williams? Makes no sense.

I'm not sure I rate Chubb significantly higher than either of those RB's on their own, if at all. To get both as well as a pick is highway robbery

I'd take Stevenson over him in both redraft and dynasty so it's not like this is even a "win now" move, imo. It truly makes zero sense for the guy getting Chubb.

There have been a few recent write-ups projecting Chubb for a monster season.

Maybe the team getting Chubb has been reading them avidly.

The team getting Chubb was already asking for him toward the end of last year as he was making a run, but so was I and ultimately won with an undefeated season. Last season he was talking Deebo and Javonte and I guess wanted a stud as he came to me already asking for Chubb. Our league is usually inactive until mid July when we have our rookie draft. Other owner also has #2 pick but unsure who he will pick..my guess is not Gibbs but will get a WR.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

FFPC 1 QB

Brandin Cooks
For
2024 4th rounder

Seems light for Cooks

 

[Dez]

12 team IDP 1 QB 1.5 TE PPR and 1.5 tackle for LB's (Not involved in this awful trade)

The guy who was last place last year trade away his 2024 1st and the 2.01 pick for the 1.06
Takes Jack Campbell Det LB at 1.06

There is a very real chance Campbell might have fallen to the 2.01.
To trade away both your 2014 1st when you were the last place team the year before and the 2.01 for a LB is beyond terrible.

 

[King of the Jungle]

12 team IDP 1 QB 1.5 TE PPR and 1.5 tackle for LB's (Not involved in this awful trade)

The guy who was last place last year trade away his 2024 1st and the 2.01 pick for the 1.06
Takes Jack Campbell Det LB at 1.06

There is a very real chance Campbell might have fallen to the 2.01.
To trade away both your 2014 1st when you were the last place team the year before and the 2.01 for a LB is beyond terrible.

Take your pick, they are all equally dumb statements….
1. Jack Campbell is in your league, that is awesome!
2. Your league allows owners to draft themselves?
3. Are there bonus points for LB‘s by the name of Jack Campbell?

 

[JohnnyU]

12 team IDP 1 QB 1.5 TE PPR and 1.5 tackle for LB's (Not involved in this awful trade)

The guy who was last place last year trade away his 2024 1st and the 2.01 pick for the 1.06
Takes Jack Campbell Det LB at 1.06

There is a very real chance Campbell might have fallen to the 2.01.
To trade away both your 2014 1st when you were the last place team the year before and the 2.01 for a LB is beyond terrible.

Belongs in the worst trade thread.

 

[The Future Champs]

12 team IDP 1 QB 1.5 TE PPR and 1.5 tackle for LB's (Not involved in this awful trade)

The guy who was last place last year trade away his 2024 1st and the 2.01 pick for the 1.06
Takes Jack Campbell Det LB at 1.06

There is a very real chance Campbell might have fallen to the 2.01.
To trade away both your 2014 1st when you were the last place team the year before and the 2.01 for a LB is beyond terrible.

Wouldn't touch it, but I'm going to post something similar below.

 

[The Future Champs]

12 team league, PPR, IDP, start 3-4 LBs, 3 pts per solo tackle, league values stud LBs almost at the level of stud RBs and WRs.

Offered 1.07 and 1.11 for 1.04. and I hope (if accepted) to take Campbell with it. Bijan and Gibbs are already spoken for at 1.1 and 1.2, and I've got the 1.3 for JSN.

 

[rockaction]

Offered 1.07 and 1.11 for 1.04. and I hope (if accepted) to take Campbell with it. Bijan and Gibbs are already spoken for at 1.1 and 1.2, and I've got the 1.3 for JSN.

Did yr league switch to true position and make LBs that much more valuable?

I think that's a high price to pay for Campbell and you'd probably get him at 1.07, but there's something to be said for getting your guy. That's a first-round pick to move up three. Tough sledding.

eta* See comment below. At that tackle rate, he might not be there at 1.07.

 

[rockaction]

Then again, three points per solo tackle is double what ours is, and we're a tackle-heavy league.

It really depends on your relative weights in IDP.

 

[The Future Champs]

Offered 1.07 and 1.11 for 1.04. and I hope (if accepted) to take Campbell with it. Bijan and Gibbs are already spoken for at 1.1 and 1.2, and I've got the 1.3 for JSN.

Did yr league switch to true position and make LBs that much more valuable?

I think that's a high price to pay for Campbell and you'd probably get him at 1.07, but there's something to be said for getting your guy. That's a first-round pick to move up three. Tough sledding.

eta* See comment below. At that tackle rate, he might not be there at 1.07.

Yup, tough sledding indeed, even with a hefty price tag on stud LBs. But, he's not going to fall to 1.07, I'm in WIN NOW mode, and LB is my biggest concern, although backup depth at RB is an issue, and the 1.07 and 1.11 would totally address that. *&^$ I can only hope, right?

 

[rockaction]

Yup, tough sledding indeed, even with a hefty price tag on stud LBs. But, he's not going to fall to 1.07, I'm in WIN NOW mode, and LB is my biggest concern, although backup depth at RB is an issue, and the 1.07 and 1.11 would totally address that. *&^$ I can only hope, right?

Good luck then. Pulling for you.

 

[Ridgeback]

PPR

Team A gets Etienne

Team B gets 2023 1.9, E Moore, Daniel Jones