****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (20 Viewers)

[barackdhouse]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 3.12 and my 2026 3rd (late)
I got 3.04 OTC and took Mason Taylor

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 3.12 and my 2026 3rd (late)
I got 3.04 OTC and took Mason Taylor

Nice get. 3.04 seems late for Taylor. TriFlex is TEP like the other FFPC leagues, correct?

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave 3.12 and my 2026 3rd (late)
I got 3.04 OTC and took Mason Taylor

Nice get. 3.04 seems late for Taylor. TriFlex is TEP like the other FFPC leagues, correct?

yes it is TEP. And this one fell really weird compared to the other FFPC drafts I've been in so far (7 this year).

Fannin went at 2.12 as TE3 and then Arroyo at 3.03 as TE4 and then I moved in for Taylor even though I had been making offers since 2.08 was OTC. Taylor was universally TE3 in the mid to late 2nd round in my other leagues.

 

[sheerterror]

Sharkpool league yesterday:

Gave: 2.3 and 4.5

Got: Zay Flowers and 2026 4th

One of those trades I felt I had to accept, but did not really want to so much as felt like I had to.

Flowers is currently worth more than any rookie WR not named Hunter or Tet in this draft so this is a steal. I'd argue he may be worth more than either of those guys too but I know that's not how most rankings and such see it right now.

Rookie fever is real. Odd trade to make especially if the draft has not started. Head shaker really…

In hindsight wish I'd have stockpiled the heck out of seconds and early thirds.

To digress - for RBs or WRs?

We just got done with the first 2+ rds of FFPC where I had 1.1, 2.1, 2.6, 2.7, 2.12, 3.1
Jeanty at 1 and then I found myself with 5 WR from there as the value seemed to exceed that of the RB situations that were available (coupled with the fact that my RB core is Jeanty Breece Bucky and Chase Brown)

I ended up with:
2.1 Golden (obvious pass on Tuten here for me given my RB depth)
2.6 Bech (Tuten went 2.5 and I would have taken him here because I like the situation - passed on RBs Blue and Sampson)
2.7 Royals (passed on Blue and Sampson)
2.12 Kyle Williams (Blue went 2.10, I would have taken him here)
3.1 Jaylin Noel (Devin Neal went a few picks later, was not someone I considered)

When I ended up with 4 2nds and was reading about all the RB depth coming into the draft, I was anticipating ending up with a bunch of these guys (or more specifically, planning to consolidate picks for vet WRs given the aforementioned RB group.) But honestly between my own team needs and more specifically the way the NFL draft broke, this round, which seemed like it would be a gold mine for strong RB lotto tickets ended up being a spot where I found a lot of WR situations I happened to like much better. Granted this was a small sample size of my only rookie draft so far but something I'm going to keep in mind with the other league I'm holding multiple seconds in.

 

[mjb03003]

Curious to see the takes on this one:

12 team PPR, SFlex, TE Prem

Gave: Nico Collins, Justin Fields
Got: 1.05, 2.05, 2.09

Some context - this is an orphan I took over. I now have picks 1.02, 1.05, 2.02, 2.05, 2.06, 2.09, and 3.02.

The book is now closed on this trade.

1.05 = TreVeyon Henderson
2.05 = Jayden Higgins
2.09 = Bhayshul Tuten.

Also took Jalen Milroe at 2.06 as a hopeful replacement for Fields in 2026 or 2027.

 

[mjb03003]

Sharkpool league yesterday:

Gave: 2.3 and 4.5

Got: Zay Flowers and 2026 4th

One of those trades I felt I had to accept, but did not really want to so much as felt like I had to.

Flowers is currently worth more than any rookie WR not named Hunter or Tet in this draft so this is a steal. I'd argue he may be worth more than either of those guys too but I know that's not how most rankings and such see it right now.

Rookie fever is real. Odd trade to make especially if the draft has not started. Head shaker really…

In hindsight wish I'd have stockpiled the heck out of seconds and early thirds.

To digress - for RBs or WRs?

We just got done with the first 2+ rds of FFPC where I had 1.1, 2.1, 2.6, 2.7, 2.12, 3.1
Jeanty at 1 and then I found myself with 5 WR from there as the value seemed to exceed that of the RB situations that were available (coupled with the fact that my RB core is Jeanty Breece Bucky and Chase Brown)

I ended up with:
2.1 Golden (obvious pass on Tuten here for me given my RB depth)
2.6 Bech (Tuten went 2.5 and I would have taken him here because I like the situation - passed on RBs Blue and Sampson)
2.7 Royals (passed on Blue and Sampson)
2.12 Kyle Williams (Blue went 2.10, I would have taken him here)
3.1 Jaylin Noel (Devin Neal went a few picks later, was not someone I considered)

When I ended up with 4 2nds and was reading about all the RB depth coming into the draft, I was anticipating ending up with a bunch of these guys (or more specifically, planning to consolidate picks for vet WRs given the aforementioned RB group.) But honestly between my own team needs and more specifically the way the NFL draft broke, this round, which seemed like it would be a gold mine for strong RB lotto tickets ended up being a spot where I found a lot of WR situations I happened to like much better. Granted this was a small sample size of my only rookie draft so far but something I'm going to keep in mind with the other league I'm holding multiple seconds in.

I agree with this bolded part and would add that in SFlex and TEP formats the 2nd tier of TEs and QB dart throws like Milroe and Shough are appealing in this range. 3rd round seems to be where most of the RB depth is going which I also miscalculated pre-draft.

 

[Soulfly3]

Sharkpool league yesterday:

Gave: 2.3 and 4.5

Got: Zay Flowers and 2026 4th

One of those trades I felt I had to accept, but did not really want to so much as felt like I had to.

With a straight face I can tell you that only Travis Hunter would be above him in this draft.
I wouldn't take 1.04 for Flowers, but I'm also the OG Flowers man, touted him large before he came out. 1.03 or better would get me to do it.

 

[titusbramble]

Sharkpool league yesterday:

Gave: 2.3 and 4.5

Got: Zay Flowers and 2026 4th

One of those trades I felt I had to accept, but did not really want to so much as felt like I had to.

Flowers is currently worth more than any rookie WR not named Hunter or Tet in this draft so this is a steal. I'd argue he may be worth more than either of those guys too but I know that's not how most rankings and such see it right now.

Well I wouldn't give up Flowers for either

 

[menobrown]

In hindsight wish I'd have stockpiled the heck out of seconds and early thirds.

To digress - for RBs or WRs?

, which seemed like it would be a gold mine for strong RB lotto tickets ended up being a spot where I found a lot of WR situations I happened to like much better

I'm in at least mid round 3 of 7 rookie drafts which started Saturday. All the same format, FFPC standard, one QB, TEP.

I would say in all 7 of those drafts the second round was mainly dominated by WR's and TE's, especially after the earliest part of round 2 after Skattebo and Tuten went. (side note: someone pointed out to me after seeing my draft boards is that Tuten went exactly 15th in all 7 drafts. ETA-looking at this it's not true. He went 15th in all my drafts hosted on FFPC which is what the person must have meant. He went 20th in a FFPC rules private league)

Round 3 usually became extremely RB dominant.

This all makes sense because after that top pocket of TE's and WR's it really drops off meanwhile the are 15'ish rookie RB's that seem talented but it seems hard to feel super strong about any of them so I think people wanted to take out the last TE's and Wr's you could feel really good about and then just taking dart throws at that RB group.

The ballyhooed RB class did not disappoint IMO. 6 usually went in first 8-9 picks, with 8 RB's in the top 15 picks. This IMO pushed back some solid WR's and TE's into that early to even late round 2. I'd even say some players went in early round 3 in some drafts that I'd have had top 15 in some draft classes. Mainly TE's like Arroyo and Ferguson. Then as mentioned RB's made up the bulk of round 3. So I'm not disappointed with the RB's and feel the draft was pretty much like the experts told us. Strong and deep at TE and RB, a little thinner without as much upper echelone WR's that we are used to but not horrible or barren.

 

[joey]

The ballyhooed RB class did not disappoint IMO. 6 usually went in first 8-9 picks, with 8 RB's in the top 15 picks. This IMO pushed back some solid WR's and TE's into that early to even late round 2. I'd even say some players went in early round 3 in some drafts that I'd have had top 15 in some draft classes. Mainly TE's like Arroyo and Ferguson. Then as mentioned RB's made up the bulk of round 3. So I'm not disappointed with the RB's and feel the draft was pretty much like the experts told us. Strong and deep at TE and RB, a little thinner without as much upper echelone WR's that we are used to but not horrible or barren.

I’m feeling exactly the same way and noticing the same trends in my 3 FFPC a rookie drafts happening now.

 

[ffmail4me]

12 team SF PPR Best Ball Dynasty League

Gave: McCarthy, 1.7, Tolbert, Jahan Dotson
Got: 1.1 (Jeanty), 4.1, 4.3, 4.11 picks

Not sure if that was an overpayment but I had the QB depth and needed RB help.

That wouldn't get Jeanty from me and yeah I am a fan of McCarthy and the 1.07 as well. Also, these 4th rounders have no business being on that side. They paid you for the privilege of giving you Jeanty. Guaranteed there are at least a couple names in that 4th round that will end up being a hit. Knock one of those out of the park and you're really cooking.

I feel I'm off to a good start, got Royals, Ayomanor, and Jaylin Lane with the 4.1, 4.3, and 4.11 picks.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Figured I had to make an offer for Jeanty before the 1.01 gets traded for something cheaper than I would have expected.

1/2 PPR, 1QB

Requesting:
1.1 (Jeanty)
'26 5th Rnd
discard

For:
1.3
'26 1st
Bigsby

Expecting a No or No response.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Figured I had to make an offer for Jeanty before the 1.01 gets traded for something cheaper than I would have expected.

1/2 PPR, 1QB

Requesting:
1.1 (Jeanty)
'26 5th Rnd
discard

For:
1.3
'26 1st
Bigsby

Expecting a No or No response.

Or he'll smash accept it within 5 minutes...

SO.... this will read as a very steep price I just paid for Jeanty to many of you. I probably jumped the gun including Bigsby on the front end without seeing if the '26 1st was enough. I think there's some fool's gold there that he might have read as a nice depth piece for his backfield. Something slightly helpful for '25 instead of just having to wait on the '26 payday. It will allow me to protect either McLaughlin, Roschon, or D. Pierce as an alternative.

Based on the early scouting report I have received from many trusted members of this forum and elsewhere, I don't think a late '26 1st will hurt too much in a 1QB league. Will it be sad not having a 1st or the flexibility for trade ammo? Yes. Will he get a good player that gets hyped at that spot at this time next year? Yes, there's always someone to like in the 1st round. But I don't think I'm losing out on any RB options near Jeanty's level, projection that it is.

I will retain the 1.5, 1.12, & 2.03 in this draft. I'm hoping there are enough horses on this team to make that a very late '26 1st:

12-team, 1QB, 1/2 ppr, QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-wrtFLEX-TE

QB: Mahomes, Maye
RB: CMC, Jeanty, Judkins (1.5 projected), Skattebo (1.12 projected), Spears, Miller, Tucker, Roschon
WR: Lamb, AJB, T Higgins, Waddle, Godwin, (2.3 projected)
TE: Kraft, Kincaid, Goedert, Gray

 

[kutta]

Sharkpool league yesterday:

Gave: 2.3 and 4.5

Got: Zay Flowers and 2026 4th

One of those trades I felt I had to accept, but did not really want to so much as felt like I had to.

Yeah that was me. I sort of felt the same way from my end in terms of feeling I needed to move back into this draft and shuffle just a lil bit. I felt like I was overpaying but I'm somewhat bullish on Flowers. I actually really love him and he will have some blow up games but I don't like his floor in that offense. That said, my target, Tuten, really needs to hit to make this one for me.

I'll let you into some of my stupid rationale.

To get others up to speed I have ETN/Bigsby and RB is my weakest spot. Tuten made all the sense in the world plus I'm aware his ADP is higher but the guy I believed in was Mason Taylor. I had b2b picks and always knew Burden was one of them, was stalling on picking Taylor because of another league but when it came time for me to pick him I started having second thoughts on passing Tuten. The guy that makes sense/need or the guy I believe in? So I picked Burden, was about to draft Taylor, but then decided to throw one last offer out trying to move back to 2.5 just so I'd not have to actually pass on drafting Tuten. Which is again is kind of a stupid mental hurdle I was struggling to get over. So threw out offer to move back to 2.5, which I thought would be accepted tbh, and ran a quick errand with idea to come back and draft most likely Taylor even though passing Tuten was still gnawing at me. Then saw your offer and took it. Just kind of stupid thought process and I spent really hours during the week on idea I'd have that exact call at 2.3, Tuten or Taylor, and then end up with Flowers.

As for Zay I already got him on two other teams. Hard guy to know when to use and agree the offense does him no favors. But while I think Taylor is going to be really good I know Zay is very talented and situations can change and at worst he's solid so had to put aside what I think vs what I know and take it.

I mean... it's hard to say this was a bad trade for you. Yeah I like Taylor a lot as well, I knew you were most likely taking Burden first. You told everyone you were going to make a pick with that first one of the back to back and on my board Burden was slam dunk end of a top tier. I feel like right between your two picks was a fairly large cliff. I'm desperate for another RB and Tuten is the last one I think has a real solid chance to take over the lion's share of a backfield and that worst case he will be relevant in a PPR sense. Plus like I said I have some small reservations on Flowers.

Other note is that I had an offer sitting in my box of 2.04 for my Flowers straight but needed to see if I could make that deal with you, managed to get the 4.03 back (not 4.05 as in your OP but big whoop). But I also had a strong feeling that you were going to take Tuten if you stayed put and that was basically the last guy I would move into the round for. And Flowers was probably the only asset I had to do it. So if I hadn't made that offer (and I almost didn't) you probably take Tuten and then I decline the 2.04 offer.

Adding my perspective as I am in the same league, I had the 2.1 pick, and @barackdhouse also offered me Flowers for 2.01.

I looked at rankings and thought to myself "I have to accept this, right?" but then I looked at Flowers' stats from last year and, while he's an obviously talented receiver, and I had a good impression of him as a young WR who seemed to make plays and was Lamar's go to WR, his stats were a little spikey... it reinforced my concerns about the run-first offense that he's in.

And of course there's something fun about drafting your own rookies with awesome and unlimited ceilings!


So instead, I traded the 2.01 for the 2.06 and 2.09.
My team has been Win Now since the league started 4 years ago, and now it is in desperate need of an injection of youth, so I thought I'd take 2 rookie swings in the 2nd round instead of just 1.

Also a factor was that I was really targeting Golden at the 2.01, but he went at the 1.12 (@NE_REVIVAL grrr.... ) so while I could've taken Skattebo or Burden at 2.01, I liked the tier that included Tuten at RB, Bech/Morris/Williams/Higgins/Noel at WR. and Taylor at TE.
So I traded back and ended up taking Bech at 2.06 and Taylor at 2.09.

A bit of a long, look at me post, but it IS a completed Dynasty Trade and it might shed some more light on perceived value of Flowers fwiw.

Flowers has averaged 12 PPG for 2 years now. I guess I just don’t understand the fascination people have with him.

 

[kutta]

Sharkpool league yesterday:

Gave: 2.3 and 4.5

Got: Zay Flowers and 2026 4th

One of those trades I felt I had to accept, but did not really want to so much as felt like I had to.

With a straight face I can tell you that only Travis Hunter would be above him in this draft.
I wouldn't take 1.04 for Flowers, but I'm also the OG Flowers man, touted him large before he came out. 1.03 or better would get me to do it.

Why?
What is it about Flowers that you like? He’s a 12 PPG guy for two full years. I don’t get it.

 

[SayWhat?]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

 

[kutta]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Sharkpool league yesterday:

Gave: 2.3 and 4.5

Got: Zay Flowers and 2026 4th

One of those trades I felt I had to accept, but did not really want to so much as felt like I had to.

With a straight face I can tell you that only Travis Hunter would be above him in this draft.
I wouldn't take 1.04 for Flowers, but I'm also the OG Flowers man, touted him large before he came out. 1.03 or better would get me to do it.

Why?
What is it about Flowers that you like? He’s a 12 PPG guy for two full years. I don’t get it.

I don't love him myself but it's not bad for it being the first two full years though. His numbers are very similar to what CeeDee Lamb's were after two years.

WRs go straight from zero to elite in year 1 a lot more often than they used to now, but that's not the only path to them getting there.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

He’s just one of those guys you’re going to have wild, inconsistent swings with due to the nature of the offense. He had five weeks last year over 20 PPR points(one over 30). Not a guy you want as your WR1 or WR2, but anything beyond that in a start 10 or 11 he’s a decent weekly option.

Btw, I believe he was closer to 14 ppg last year in PPR.

 

[kutta]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

He’s just one of those guys you’re going to have wild, inconsistent swings with due to the nature of the offense. He had five weeks last year over 20 PPR points(one over 30). Not a guy you want as your WR1 or WR2, but anything beyond that in a start 10 or 11 he’s a decent weekly option.

Btw, I believe he was closer to 14 ppg last year in PPR.

We must have different scoring systems. He only had 3 games over 20 in my league, and averaged 12.1, right between Rashid Shaheed and Khalil Shakir.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

He’s just one of those guys you’re going to have wild, inconsistent swings with due to the nature of the offense. He had five weeks last year over 20 PPR points(one over 30). Not a guy you want as your WR1 or WR2, but anything beyond that in a start 10 or 11 he’s a decent weekly option.

Btw, I believe he was closer to 14 ppg last year in PPR.

We must have different scoring systems. He only had 3 games over 20 in my league, and averaged 12.1, right between Rashid Shaheed and Khalil Shakir.

Full PPR for me, with a bonus for eclipsing 100 yards.

Week 2: 22.10
Week 5: 22.00
Week 6: 25.40
Week 8: 21.50
Week 9: 32.70

Also had 18.3 Week 16.

 

[Soulfly3]

I can't even fathom ranking any of these WRs above Zay. Not even out of college.

College zay in this draft is WR2, without a shadow of a doubt. The fact he's already put up 2 very nice seasons in an offense that isnt pass heavy, is just an added bonus.

I get that's part of his "drawback" being in BAL, but he progressed after yr1. Numbers trending up

 

[Birdie048]

12 Team PPR TE+ (Currently 1 QB going SF 2026)

Team A in major Rebuild (owns 1.01) - Gave 2.09 and 3.01
Team B (Me - Playoff team) - Gave up 2.05

 

[Buckna]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

1st round pick so has the pedigree, a better one than most of the WR's in this class. Over 1k yards receiving in his 2nd year and improved in nearly every metric. That's very good, very few WR'S manage what he has through his first 2 seasons. Paired up as the #1 guy with an MVP QB in a very solid organization, turns only 25 this season.

I'm not even a big Flowers fan (own him nowhere) but you're acting like he's some 6 year Vet who has plateau'd or something and stuck with some bum or no QB at all. Even if he stays at this level and doesn't improve, history tells us that probably at least 50% of these rookies will be outright busts and another 25% may be lucky to achieve what Flowers has done in his first two years.

 

[Gally]

Traded Pickens for pick 2.01 to take Egbuka.

I am beginning to wonder if this was the right move with the trade this morning of PIckens to Dallas.

 

[SayWhat?]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

1st round pick so has the pedigree, a better one than most of the WR's in this class. Over 1k yards receiving in his 2nd year and improved in nearly every metric. That's very good, very few WR'S manage what he has through his first 2 seasons. Paired up as the #1 guy with an MVP QB in a very solid organization, turns only 25 this season.

I'm not even a big Flowers fan (own him nowhere) but you're acting like he's some 6 year Vet who has plateau'd or something and stuck with some bum or no QB at all. Even if he stays at this level and doesn't improve, history tells us that probably at least 50% of these rookies will be outright busts and another 25% may be lucky to achieve what Flowers has done in his first two years.

Love that you pointed out that he’s paired with an MVP quarterback. And yet he still managed to finish as a low end WR3 on a ppg basis. He was worse than Jakobi Meyers, Juan Jennings, Adam Thielan, and Jameson Williams, to name a few.

Nobody is claiming that he can’t improve. Just that it’s not blasphemy to prefer a swing at a different rookie that might possibly offer more upside. Might that be a whiff? Absolutely. But a similar deal last year for a rookie pick to nab Ladd McConkey might have seemed foolish as well. Is that Egbuka, Golden, Burden, Higgins, etc this year? Time will tell.

The case for Flowers seems to be the “bird in the hand.” That’s fine, but not if the bird continues to average 12ppg. Something has to change or he’s a replacement level producer.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

12 Team PPR TE+ (Currently 1 QB going SF 2026)

Team A in major Rebuild (owns 1.01) - Gave 2.09 and 3.01
Team B (Me - Playoff team) - Gave up 2.05

Curious what Team A picked with the 2.05. Seems like a lot to give up unless you have a specific player in mind.

 

[joey]

Traded Pickens for pick 2.01 to take Egbuka.

I am beginning to wonder if this was the right move with the trade this morning of PIckens to Dallas.

You did the right thing imo.

I traded Pickens for what is now the 2.11 in my rookie draft in august.
Not a single regret. Dude is a knucklehead.

 

[Birdie048]

12 Team PPR TE+ (Currently 1 QB going SF 2026)

Team A in major Rebuild (owns 1.01) - Gave 2.09 and 3.01
Team B (Me - Playoff team) - Gave up 2.05

Curious what Team A picked with the 2.05. Seems like a lot to give up unless you have a specific player in mind.

Draft starts next week ...
He has lots of needs ... he has 1.01, Hurts, Penix, Rome, MHJ & McBride ... but nothing else of substance ...
1 QB / 1-3 RB / 3-6 WR / 1-3 TE in TE Premium ...

 

[ghostguy123]

Regarding Zay, numbers CAN improve for a young and really talented player ya know.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

12 Team PPR TE+ (Currently 1 QB going SF 2026)

Team A in major Rebuild (owns 1.01) - Gave 2.09 and 3.01
Team B (Me - Playoff team) - Gave up 2.05

Curious what Team A picked with the 2.05. Seems like a lot to give up unless you have a specific player in mind.

Draft starts next week ...
He has lots of needs ... he has 1.01, Hurts, Penix, Rome, MHJ & McBride ... but nothing else of substance ...
1 QB / 1-3 RB / 3-6 WR / 1-3 TE in TE Premium ...

Wow, it's definitely a numbers game for him. Sounds like the kind of rebuild that I love! Yes, I am a sadist.

 

[joey]

12 Team PPR TE+ (Currently 1 QB going SF 2026)

Team A in major Rebuild (owns 1.01) - Gave 2.09 and 3.01
Team B (Me - Playoff team) - Gave up 2.05

Curious what Team A picked with the 2.05. Seems like a lot to give up unless you have a specific player in mind.

Draft starts next week ...
He has lots of needs ... he has 1.01, Hurts, Penix, Rome, MHJ & McBride ... but nothing else of substance ...
1 QB / 1-3 RB / 3-6 WR / 1-3 TE in TE Premium ...

Judging from 3 rookie drafts I’m in right now, if I had “lots of needs” I would’ve kept both the 2.9 and 3.1 picks since that’s a pretty flat tier of players from the mid-2nd to early 3rd imho. I’d rather 2 dart throws than 1.
Of course, Team A might have a sharp tier line at 2.5 so they wanted in there.

 

[Buckna]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

1st round pick so has the pedigree, a better one than most of the WR's in this class. Over 1k yards receiving in his 2nd year and improved in nearly every metric. That's very good, very few WR'S manage what he has through his first 2 seasons. Paired up as the #1 guy with an MVP QB in a very solid organization, turns only 25 this season.

I'm not even a big Flowers fan (own him nowhere) but you're acting like he's some 6 year Vet who has plateau'd or something and stuck with some bum or no QB at all. Even if he stays at this level and doesn't improve, history tells us that probably at least 50% of these rookies will be outright busts and another 25% may be lucky to achieve what Flowers has done in his first two years.

Love that you pointed out that he’s paired with an MVP quarterback. And yet he still managed to finish as a low end WR3 on a ppg basis. He was worse than Jakobi Meyers, Juan Jennings, Adam Thielan, and Jameson Williams, to name a few.

Nobody is claiming that he can’t improve. Just that it’s not blasphemy to prefer a swing at a different rookie that might possibly offer more upside. Might that be a whiff? Absolutely. But a similar deal last year for a rookie pick to nab Ladd McConkey might have seemed foolish as well. Is that Egbuka, Golden, Burden, Higgins, etc this year? Time will tell.

The case for Flowers seems to be the “bird in the hand.” That’s fine, but not if the bird continues to average 12ppg. Something has to change or he’s a replacement level producer.

He asked what he was missing multiple times, so I informed him of what the positive case was and why many value Flowers where they do. I already said I'm not a Flowers guy so

 

[Soulfly3]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

1st round pick so has the pedigree, a better one than most of the WR's in this class. Over 1k yards receiving in his 2nd year and improved in nearly every metric. That's very good, very few WR'S manage what he has through his first 2 seasons. Paired up as the #1 guy with an MVP QB in a very solid organization, turns only 25 this season.

I'm not even a big Flowers fan (own him nowhere) but you're acting like he's some 6 year Vet who has plateau'd or something and stuck with some bum or no QB at all. Even if he stays at this level and doesn't improve, history tells us that probably at least 50% of these rookies will be outright busts and another 25% may be lucky to achieve what Flowers has done in his first two years.

Love that you pointed out that he’s paired with an MVP quarterback. And yet he still managed to finish as a low end WR3 on a ppg basis.

He finished as WR25 and iirc, he bailed out of both week 7 and week 18 after 1 catch in both games... hence why he missed the playoffs... So assuming he played, he's have been a mid/high WR2 end of season since the difference between players at that range is minimal

 

[SayWhat?]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

1st round pick so has the pedigree, a better one than most of the WR's in this class. Over 1k yards receiving in his 2nd year and improved in nearly every metric. That's very good, very few WR'S manage what he has through his first 2 seasons. Paired up as the #1 guy with an MVP QB in a very solid organization, turns only 25 this season.

I'm not even a big Flowers fan (own him nowhere) but you're acting like he's some 6 year Vet who has plateau'd or something and stuck with some bum or no QB at all. Even if he stays at this level and doesn't improve, history tells us that probably at least 50% of these rookies will be outright busts and another 25% may be lucky to achieve what Flowers has done in his first two years.

Love that you pointed out that he’s paired with an MVP quarterback. And yet he still managed to finish as a low end WR3 on a ppg basis.

He finished as WR25 and iirc, he bailed out of both week 7 and week 18 after 1 catch in both games... hence why he missed the playoffs... So assuming he played, he's have been a mid/high WR2 end of season since the difference between players at that range is minimal

…and then when you remove his Week 9 game, where he scored half of his touchdowns for the year…

 

[Soulfly3]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

1st round pick so has the pedigree, a better one than most of the WR's in this class. Over 1k yards receiving in his 2nd year and improved in nearly every metric. That's very good, very few WR'S manage what he has through his first 2 seasons. Paired up as the #1 guy with an MVP QB in a very solid organization, turns only 25 this season.

I'm not even a big Flowers fan (own him nowhere) but you're acting like he's some 6 year Vet who has plateau'd or something and stuck with some bum or no QB at all. Even if he stays at this level and doesn't improve, history tells us that probably at least 50% of these rookies will be outright busts and another 25% may be lucky to achieve what Flowers has done in his first two years.

Love that you pointed out that he’s paired with an MVP quarterback. And yet he still managed to finish as a low end WR3 on a ppg basis.

He finished as WR25 and iirc, he bailed out of both week 7 and week 18 after 1 catch in both games... hence why he missed the playoffs... So assuming he played, he's have been a mid/high WR2 end of season since the difference between players at that range is minimal

…and then when you remove his Week 9 game, where he scored half of his touchdowns for the year…

You finish with what you finish with.
But when you say he's a low end wr3, when he finished wr25, w 2 games basically missed, a little context helps.

Regardless of anything, he's a supreme talent to anyone in this draft, bar Hunter

 

[barackdhouse]

I can't even fathom ranking any of these WRs above Zay. Not even out of college.

College zay in this draft is WR2, without a shadow of a doubt. The fact he's already put up 2 very nice seasons in an offense that isnt pass heavy, is just an added bonus.

I get that's part of his "drawback" being in BAL, but he progressed after yr1. Numbers trending up

So here is the thing, and I'm the one that dealt Flowers away... I agree with you. He really is that good. I see zero flaws in his game. None. He's one of my favorite players to watch.

But he plays in Baltimore and I think we have seen his ceiling there. That's a dealbreaker for me. WR22 and 12.3 PPG ok so how much higher might his number go realistically in that offense? Mmmmmaybe as high as WR16 and 13.0-14.0 PPG? That isn't worth it to me. If I had confidence that situations can change as they often do in dynasty, I might feel different. But I think he will remain a Raven with Jackson as QB for a long-time and perpetually average mid WR2 numbers at best. It isn't bad by any means but it isn't winning any titles and is *relatively* easy to replace.

Here are his weekly PPR numbers from last year in weekly order. If you won many of these weekly matchups it was in spite of him not because of him.

11.1
22.1
5.3
2.0
19.0
22.4
4.0
18.5
29.7
7.4
11.9
11.2
10.1
11.3
15.3
5.1
3.1

Gosh those last 8 weeks really did suck. 9.4 PPG

Again I totally 100% believe in the player. And I too would probably draft him #2 in this draft among WRs if I hadn't seen the landing spot yet.

 

[barackdhouse]

Zay already earned the #1 target role last year. He can't get promoted above that. He could earn maybe 10 more targets this year honestly. We've seen his ceiling in this offense.

 

[joey]

I can't even fathom ranking any of these WRs above Zay. Not even out of college.

College zay in this draft is WR2, without a shadow of a doubt. The fact he's already put up 2 very nice seasons in an offense that isnt pass heavy, is just an added bonus.

I get that's part of his "drawback" being in BAL, but he progressed after yr1. Numbers trending up

So here is the thing, and I'm the one that dealt Flowers away... I agree with you. He really is that good. I see zero flaws in his game. None. He's one of my favorite players to watch.

But he plays in Baltimore and I think we have seen his ceiling there. That's a dealbreaker for me. WR22 and 12.3 PPG ok so how much higher might his number go realistically in that offense? Mmmmmaybe as high as WR16 and 13.0-14.0 PPG? That isn't worth it to me. If I had confidence that situations can change as they often do in dynasty, I might feel different. But I think he will remain a Raven with Jackson as QB for a long-time and perpetually average mid WR2 numbers at best. It isn't bad by any means but it isn't winning any titles and is *relatively* easy to replace.

Here are his weekly PPR numbers from last year in weekly order. If you won many of these weekly matchups it was in spite of him not because of him.

11.1
22.1
5.3
2.0
19.0
22.4
4.0
18.5
29.7
7.4
11.9
11.2
10.1
11.3
15.3
5.1
3.1

Gosh those last 8 weeks really did suck. 9.4 PPG

Again I totally 100% believe in the player. And I too would probably draft him #2 in this draft among WRs if I hadn't seen the landing spot yet.

The bolded stats are exactly why I ended up passing on your trade offer of my 2.1 for your Flowers.
I thought for sure I’d accept, but instead decided to throw a higher-upside dart with my rookie pick….which (as I said above) I actually traded my 2.01 for the 2.6 and 2.9, where I took Bech WR and Taylor TE. To me, I’ll take my chances that Bech + Taylor > Flowers.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Traded Pickens for pick 2.01 to take Egbuka.

I am beginning to wonder if this was the right move with the trade this morning of PIckens to Dallas.

Well, a knucklehead is a knucklehead regardless of their zip code.

Pickens has reportedly alienated coaches & QBs his entire time in PIT. Seems likely he’ll do the same in DAL. And they’re letting him play out his rookie contract, so this could end up being a 1-year deal.

But short-term, yeah - certainly potential for this to be a blow-it sell low, while Pickens goes off for 80/1200/8 or something.

 

[Gally]

Traded Pickens for pick 2.01 to take Egbuka.

I am beginning to wonder if this was the right move with the trade this morning of PIckens to Dallas.

Well, a knucklehead is a knucklehead regardless of their zip code.

Pickens has reportedly alienated coaches & QBs his entire time in PIT. Seems likely he’ll do the same in DAL. And they’re letting him play out his rookie contract, so this could end up being a 1-year deal.

But short-term, yeah - certainly potential for this to be a blow-it sell low, while Pickens goes off for 80/1200/8 or something.

My bigger dilemma is in my other dynasty league where I own both Pickens and Lamb. I probably don't want both. This is a salary cap league with decisions on who to keep as it is pretty limited (only 15 keepers from year to year under a certain cap). Not sure which one to move because of the salary disparity (Lamb $55 to Pickens $10)

 

[SayWhat?]

Agreed. Flowers is a solid NFL player, but he’s a dime a dozen WR for fantasy football. It’s crazy to prefer him to any player in the top half of this draft, and an argument could be made for picks anll the way into the early 2nd (Burden/Higgins types) over him.

I very, very much believe in the talent of Flowers-he literally leaps off the screen at times and looks like a video game character.

But I do think his ceiling is capped in the Baltimore offense at being like an 80/1100/6 guy. Which is totally fine for fantasy. But if he were in a different offense, I think he’s skilled enough to flirt with 1400 yards.

I agree with all except the “totally fine for fantasy” part. He averages 12 PPG. In two years of good health (33 games), he’s had a total of 5 games where he scored in the 20’s. All but one of those were low 20’s.

What’s the appeal here? What am I missing?

1st round pick so has the pedigree, a better one than most of the WR's in this class. Over 1k yards receiving in his 2nd year and improved in nearly every metric. That's very good, very few WR'S manage what he has through his first 2 seasons. Paired up as the #1 guy with an MVP QB in a very solid organization, turns only 25 this season.

I'm not even a big Flowers fan (own him nowhere) but you're acting like he's some 6 year Vet who has plateau'd or something and stuck with some bum or no QB at all. Even if he stays at this level and doesn't improve, history tells us that probably at least 50% of these rookies will be outright busts and another 25% may be lucky to achieve what Flowers has done in his first two years.

Love that you pointed out that he’s paired with an MVP quarterback. And yet he still managed to finish as a low end WR3 on a ppg basis.

He finished as WR25 and iirc, he bailed out of both week 7 and week 18 after 1 catch in both games... hence why he missed the playoffs... So assuming he played, he's have been a mid/high WR2 end of season since the difference between players at that range is minimal

…and then when you remove his Week 9 game, where he scored half of his touchdowns for the year…

You finish with what you finish with.
But when you say he's a low end wr3, when he finished wr25, w 2 games basically missed, a little context helps.

Regardless of anything, he's a supreme talent to anyone in this draft, bar Hunter

I provided all the context you needed. If you re-read my post, I said he finished as a low-end WR3 on a ppg basis. But barely, as he came in at WR36 with 12.34ppg.

If his situation doesn't improve, it doesn't matter if he's Justin Jefferson-talented. The lead wideout for Lamar Jackson hasn't made a difference for fantasy football, ever. Might that change? I suppose. Are you banking on that? Or betting on Flowers heading elsewhere sometime soon?

This whole debate started because Flowers was being traded for early 2nd round rookie picks. I'm only saying that such a trade isn't blasphemy. I would heavily debate Flowers from about the 1.08 pick and beyond but would fault nobody for taking a rookie pick lottery ticket and aiming for a difference maker if they feel that Flowers won't get there anytime soon.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Traded Pickens for pick 2.01 to take Egbuka.

I am beginning to wonder if this was the right move with the trade this morning of PIckens to Dallas.

Well, a knucklehead is a knucklehead regardless of their zip code.

Pickens has reportedly alienated coaches & QBs his entire time in PIT. Seems likely he’ll do the same in DAL. And they’re letting him play out his rookie contract, so this could end up being a 1-year deal.

But short-term, yeah - certainly potential for this to be a blow-it sell low, while Pickens goes off for 80/1200/8 or something.

I dunno. Dak is inarguably a better QB than anyone that Pickens has played with in the NFL. Brian Schottenheimer is still a TBD, but it's not inconceivable that Tomlin and Smith/Canada are difficult to play for. Watching the Steelers last season emphasized how frustrated Pickens was with the offense/QB situation.

 

[ffmail4me]

wasn't involved but just a brutal undersell of JJ in one of my SF PPR Best Ball Dynasty leagues this morning

Team A gets: Jefferson
Team B gets: Mixon, Diggs, and 1.5 (Ward) pick

 

[Birdie048]

wasn't involved but just a brutal undersell of JJ in one of my SF PPR Best Ball Dynasty leagues this morning

Team A gets: Jefferson
Team B gets: Mixon, Diggs, and 1.5 (Ward) pick

DANG! That was a GIVE AWAY Deal! that hurts to see

 

[ffmail4me]

wasn't involved but just a brutal undersell of JJ in one of my SF PPR Best Ball Dynasty leagues this morning

Team A gets: Jefferson
Team B gets: Mixon, Diggs, and 1.5 (Ward) pick

DANG! That was a GIVE AWAY Deal! that hurts to see

Yep several people in the league aren't happy, and I can't blame them. just a dumb trade.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

he bailed out of both week 7 and week 18 after 1 catch in both games... hence why he missed the playoffs... So assuming he played, he's have been a mid/high WR2 end of season since the difference between players at that range is minimal

You'll find that most players missed a game or two at some point during the season.

Just off the top of my head I know Nabers missed a few, Lamb missed a few. Nico, Addison, MHJ, Puka.

 

[3quinox825]

Dynasty superflex Rbs get bonus for yards rushed

Gave Darnold

Got Chase brown and 3.08

 

[ffmail4me]

Dynasty superflex Rbs get bonus for yards rushed

Gave Darnold

Got Chase brown and 3.08

Even in a SF, wasn't sure if Darnold could net that kind of return. Not bad!