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In physical talent, YES. However, you cant discount that the team had a lot more confidence in Garcia. Garcia looked to be the leader of the team when he was starting. McNabb calls himself the leader but clearly is not.Garcia > McNabb is just crazy talk..
This is excatly what I was talking about. When Garcia goes out on the field he puts it all on the line every play. When he throws a pick he his pissed and walks off the field cussing and visually upset, McNabb walks off with a non-chalant, Chunky soup grin. IMHO if you throw a pick, you ought to be upset. Garcia is never afraid to scramble if that is what the defense gives him and if the team needs an extra yard he lowers his shoulder and goes for it. While this may not be the smartest long term strategy for a QB Garcia's size, that's how he plays the game. And if you see the leader of your offense playing that way (or see the blood running down his busted face) you know the guy is giving you everything he's got. Over time, this type of leadership and play has a way of catching on. Tampa messed this up I think at the beginning of the year by not committing to Garcia.On physical skill, McNabb is far superior, but if you asked me who I would prefer leading my team, I'd take Garcia and it isn't close. People believed we would win and make the playoffs a few years back when Garcia was at the helm, with Mcnabb you have the nausiating sense that the meltdown is just around the corner.In physical talent, YES. However, you cant discount that the team had a lot more confidence in Garcia. Garcia looked to be the leader of the team when he was starting. McNabb calls himself the leader but clearly is not.Garcia > McNabb is just crazy talk..
Chunky soup grin?Different people react differently. How are you saying that McNabb isn't upset? I think I can say to myself "haha, that was dumb", be upset, and be ready for next time. He is having fun playing, and imo, he should be. It's gotten him damn far. At one point he was a top 5 QB in the NFL without much question. I really don't know how you can judge who the Eagles want leading their team from a few smiles that he's shown after bad throws, or the fact that you think Garcia will play bloodied and McNabb wouldn't (pretty unwarranted assumption).
How has the team looked more confident? When Garcia was running the helm the Eagles ran the ball a lot more. I see a lot of similarities when they ran the ball with McNabb in there and when Garcia was in there. IMO, that is the biggest difference here.In physical talent, YES. However, you cant discount that the team had a lot more confidence in Garcia. Garcia looked to be the leader of the team when he was starting. McNabb calls himself the leader but clearly is not.Garcia > McNabb is just crazy talk..
as a Cowboys fan, mcnabb's non-chalant approach makes me nervous. i dont for a second think he's not a fierce competitor. the way i see it, nothing is gonna rattle this guy, which is what you want at QB. now, does he execute every time? no. but mcnabb will give the eagles a chance to win most of the time. garcia would run around, get bloody, and make some gutzy plays, but he's not as good as mcnabb, period.Romo and Mcnabb react somewhat similar. Romo has taken criticsim for being non-chalant as well. i dont buy it. i understand the QB is ultimately going to take the heat if the team loses. but you cant make receivers catch the ball. or make the o-line block. or make the coaches better.
You McNabb aplologists are in such denial. McNabb is absolutely part of the problem. He thinks he's played great; I think he's played extremely erratic & still makes decisions that a 10 year vet shouldn't be making. He is a terrible leader in the 2 minute offense. The truth is no one outside the organization knows how far along Kolb is. Anyone that thinks they can take anything meaningful from his limited appearances this year is kidding themselves. I have no issue keeping McNabb as long as it's under the current deal. If that doesn't work for him, too bad. I'd gladly take the compensation to help address the TE, FS, OT, & RB needs that are apparent prior to comitting a large guaranteed up-front money to an aging quarterback who is clearly on the decline. If he isn't using his leagues he's merely a pretty good quarterback. This team needs more of an offensive philosophy change way more than it needs to commit resources to a quarterback that views himself as elite when; he clearly isn't & he has done nothing since 2004 to warrant it. I actually think he has balls squawking about a new deal prior to a game with potential playoff implications against a division rival. Dude it's the first time in 4 years you haven't missed time with an injury & your damn team hasn't made the playoffs again & you're part of the reason why.
So, if the officials would have correctly given Buchhalter the goal line touchdown in the Bears game, and D. Jackson would have caught the perfectly thrown touchdown pass in the Washington game, the Eagles would already be in the playoffs and McNabb would have had a much better season?Also, Rivers, Brees, possibly Romo, and many other quarterbacks who evryone considers to be the league's elite, will be sitting at home watching the playoffs this year. Should their teams be looking to dump them, as well?
What? Buckhalter wasn't in.You can "What if" all you like. What if McNabb hadn't turned the ball over so much vs. CIN and BAL..So, if the officials would have correctly given Buchhalter the goal line touchdown in the Bears game, and D. Jackson would have caught the perfectly thrown touchdown pass in the Washington game, the Eagles would already be in the playoffs and McNabb would have had a much better season?Also, Rivers, Brees, possibly Romo, and many other quarterbacks who evryone considers to be the league's elite, will be sitting at home watching the playoffs this year. Should their teams be looking to dump them, as well?
What if the officials had made the correct call in the Falcons game? Who knows what would have happened in that game. See it works both ways and it's extremely weak to blame officials for the Eagles failures.So, if the officials would have correctly given Buchhalter the goal line touchdown in the Bears game, and D. Jackson would have caught the perfectly thrown touchdown pass in the Washington game, the Eagles would already be in the playoffs and McNabb would have had a much better season?Also, Rivers, Brees, possibly Romo, and many other quarterbacks who evryone considers to be the league's elite, will be sitting at home watching the playoffs this year. Should their teams be looking to dump them, as well?
Really?http://i35.tinypic.com/4lsj9v.jpgWhat? Buckhalter wasn't in.So, if the officials would have correctly given Buchhalter the goal line touchdown in the Bears game, and D. Jackson would have caught the perfectly thrown touchdown pass in the Washington game, the Eagles would already be in the playoffs and McNabb would have had a much better season?Also, Rivers, Brees, possibly Romo, and many other quarterbacks who evryone considers to be the league's elite, will be sitting at home watching the playoffs this year. Should their teams be looking to dump them, as well?
You can only speak for yourself with regards to that, because I don't have any nauseating sense of a meltdown. Pretty funny how some people want Garcia but McNabb is not a big game QB because he hasn't won a Superbowl. McNabb took the Eagles farther than Garcia took any team and he was on some pretty explosive 49er teams as well.
You're exactly right, there are 11 guys on defense and a QB can't beat 11 people by himself, he needs the other 10 guys around him to all win their match ups. If they don't they will make the QB look bad and thats were the uninformed fan will place too much of the blame.
Really?http://i35.tinypic.com/4lsj9v.jpgWhat? Buckhalter wasn't in.So, if the officials would have correctly given Buchhalter the goal line touchdown in the Bears game, and D. Jackson would have caught the perfectly thrown touchdown pass in the Washington game, the Eagles would already be in the playoffs and McNabb would have had a much better season?Also, Rivers, Brees, possibly Romo, and many other quarterbacks who evryone considers to be the league's elite, will be sitting at home watching the playoffs this year. Should their teams be looking to dump them, as well?
Somehow I knew this was the play.
I understand this mentality. Classic "Philly fans love a blue-collar workman type" mentality. Rocky-esque. They don't like a player who doesn't fit that mold. That's why Mike Schmidt had such a hard time as a Philly. Carlton didn't fit either so he just turned off the media switch. Good move for him.Philly fans love hard-nosed players who show grit. If you are a good player but don't show emotion on the field, you won't be as embraced. If you're an average player but show great effort, Philly fans will like you more than in other cities.It's all about relating to the player.McNabb smiles and has a style that emits "it's only a game" style emotion. Fans in Philadelphia don't like that. QBs should have that element to their game. They can't live in the past and worry about the INT they just threw. They have to shake it off and move forward. Favre would have done fantastic in Philadelphia for his tenacity, but his inability at times to shake off bad plays is a problem.I understand both views of McNabb and I'm guilty of being on both sides of the fence. Until someone brings me a better player, McNabb will be the QB in Philly and belongs as an Eagle.
It's irrelevent. Whether the official called him in or not, or whether Jackson catches that touchdown pass last week, are all things that are out of McNabb's hands.Someone made the statement that McNabb was healthy and the Eagles won't make the playoffs. He's only had two or three bad games all year. He's going to set his career passing yardage mark tomorrow. I guess Philly fans need him to be equal to Peyton Manning and Tom Brady or he is a failure. I accepted him as what he is a long time ago- a good quarterback in the 9-12 range of top QBs in the league. I guess if fans need him to be 1 or 2, then they will consider him to be a failure every year.Really?http://i35.tinypic.com/4lsj9v.jpgWhat? Buckhalter wasn't in.So, if the officials would have correctly given Buchhalter the goal line touchdown in the Bears game, and D. Jackson would have caught the perfectly thrown touchdown pass in the Washington game, the Eagles would already be in the playoffs and McNabb would have had a much better season?Also, Rivers, Brees, possibly Romo, and many other quarterbacks who evryone considers to be the league's elite, will be sitting at home watching the playoffs this year. Should their teams be looking to dump them, as well?
That camera was over the field (Skycam) and about at the 5-yard line.
The angle was wrong and showed him in even though he wasn't.
If you find the full video you'll see what I mean.
Looks from the side also showed him short.
100% true, Jeff.Way too much is placed on a silly facial expression. I've seen Hines Ward drop easy passes and it looks like he's laughing. Not smiling, but laughing. And I certainly have never questioned that guy's desire.
I agree, despite having a McNabb jersey in the closet and a pink one for my 5 year old. I have been a McNabb fan, and I think he is a good QB, but I simply think that some of the intangibles-- things like leadership, ability to finish, making clutch descions in big games or in a 2:00 drill-- are lacking in McNabb. Some of these shortcomings can be laid at the feet of his coaches, but after 10 years in the league you would think he could run a hurry up offense. If he were traded to Chicago or Minnesota I am sure he would do quite well, but the time here in Philly is past. The Eagles would be better off bringing in a veteran QB and McNabb would be better playing elsewhere without some of the baggage he has accumulated here. For my part, I will be doubting Thomas as long as McNabb is an Eagle. Anytime the game is close and will be coming down to the wire, I will have that rotten feeling in my stomach that comes from knowing we won't win. It may be a pick, a fumble, a few passes off target (or in the dirt), or it may be a drop, a bad playcall or whatever. It doesn't matter because Philly has been in a funk since the Super Bowl loss and it is time for some change. The one time the team has shown life since the loss to the Pats was when Garcia was at the helm. Chunky Soup was right, that could have been the more run heavy game plan, but either way, I think we've seen the best of McNabb.
OK you want to play that game. How about if McNabb doesn't cause a fumble with the ridiculous pump fake handoff to Westbrook in the 4th quarter of the first Dallas game; that's a likely win. Try and explain away the Cincy game. I didn't say he was the sole problem; but he sure is part of it. Last time I checked all of the the quarterbacks you named aren't angling for a new deal despite having mulitple years on their current one.So, if the officials would have correctly given Buchhalter the goal line touchdown in the Bears game, and D. Jackson would have caught the perfectly thrown touchdown pass in the Washington game, the Eagles would already be in the playoffs and McNabb would have had a much better season?Also, Rivers, Brees, possibly Romo, and many other quarterbacks who evryone considers to be the league's elite, will be sitting at home watching the playoffs this year. Should their teams be looking to dump them, as well?
I keep saying this again and again to my buddies as we lament the season freezing our asses off in our section. It's so EASY to say it's time for a change, but be careful what you wish for. We could easily make the wrong QB move and/or the wrong HC hire and then what?
Then you take a chance to improve instead of settling for incompetence and mediocrity, which unfortunately is what we now have in Reid, IMO.My thoughts, keep McNabb, and Reid should be "asked" to give up GM and offensive playcalling duties. If he refuses, then it's time to move on and replace him. While I appreciate the success he's had, it's become apparent the league has passed him by and he refuses to adjust and learn from his mistakes. I'll roll the dice on a new coach.Fearing change because it could be worse is a great way to be 8-8 forever.
Especially the bolded part.This is not "change for change's sake". If you believe that AR won't get you to the SB and win it, you HAVE to make a change.
The head coach is not the gameday manager? That's the whole point of not doing the playcalling, so that he can manage the game.
I think he has to be relieved of OC and playcalling duties and me more GM / head coach than gameday manager.
You're absolutes are absolutely awful.Let me know how his bad challenges, timeouts, playcalling and clock management are a part of McNabb's shortcomings.
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Yes he is - I'm saying he shouldnt have MORE than that to do.
I think he has to be relieved of OC and playcalling duties and me more GM / head coach than gameday manager.
Some comments here.Curtis will start.
Thanks for identifying yourself.If you see those games you're talking about, McNabb plays with that lost look on his face and has pathetic stats. In games he plays well all those problems go away. Let me know the games McNabb looked great while we had any of those problems. Or even the game he carried us over such deficiencies.You're absolutes are absolutely awful.Let me know how his bad challenges, timeouts, playcalling and clock management are a part of McNabb's shortcomings.
Thanks for identifying yourself.If you see those games you're talking about, McNabb plays with that lost look on his face and has pathetic stats. In games he plays well all those problems go away. Let me know the games McNabb looked great while we had any of those problems. Or even the game he carried us over such deficiencies.
You made the blanket statement that Reid bashers are virtually all McNabb apologists.You're dead wrong.
You mean McNabb is audibling to a 70% pass ratio in a close loss?
I said most. And I think you're dead wrong.Thanks for identifying yourself.If you see those games you're talking about, McNabb plays with that lost look on his face and has pathetic stats. In games he plays well all those problems go away. Let me know the games McNabb looked great while we had any of those problems. Or even the game he carried us over such deficiencies.
Not saying it will happen, but what if Cassel was available?
Sorry, but to me, he has Scott Mitchell and Billy Volek written all over him. He's going to demand too much money for a guy who could very-well be a product of a system.
I'm in agreement on Cassel. Just putting the name out there.
Both the Bears and Vikings are up 10-0...and TB just scored. My magic 8 ball is saying no.
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Not sold on him.
