** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (1 Viewer)

[JuniorNB]

And you should look at all those QB's management of the games. comp pct, and sack numbers. And yes, other fans are right. We have choked against TBay, Carolina, St Louis and New England. That has left us with 0 Superbowls. Care to post the performance of McNabb in those 4 games? I'm sorry you can't accept people who see it different. I can also point out 30 teams who would have at one time loved to have Vick, Culpepper, or the chance to draft David Carr. I want a Superbowl for the Eagles. I couldn't care less about what other fans think about Eagle fans.

I would like a ring, too. So would 32 other teams. The chances aren't good. All a true fan can hope for is to be in-the-runnimng year after year. The Eagles happen to do that most years. There are 31 QBs who choke during any NFL season (by your standards). I guess McNabb's biggest fault is that he's not Joe Montana or Tom Brady. Well, I don't see a QB of that caliber on any team's trading block, so rather than spite myself, I'll take the guy with a .645 lifetime win-loss pct. (And 9-5 playoff record) over some other guy who you'll think is great simply because he's not-McNabb.I'm done being drawn into this anti-Mcnabb crap. It's truly a shame that the eagles have run off 5 out of 6 wins and are a day away from what might be the toughest opstacle in their path of a Super Bowl appearance and the guy that ragging on our QB is 'supposed to be' an Eagles fan. You are a disgrace. You must be a huge fan of Trent Dilfer. He has a ring.

 

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And you should look at all those QB's management of the games. comp pct, and sack numbers. And yes, other fans are right. We have choked against TBay, Carolina, St Louis and New England. That has left us with 0 Superbowls. Care to post the performance of McNabb in those 4 games? I'm sorry you can't accept people who see it different. I can also point out 30 teams who would have at one time loved to have Vick, Culpepper, or the chance to draft David Carr. I want a Superbowl for the Eagles. I couldn't care less about what other fans think about Eagle fans.

I would like a ring, too. So would 32 other teams. The chances aren't good. All a true fan can hope for is to be in-the-runnimng year after year. The Eagles happen to do that most years. There are 31 QBs who choke during any NFL season (by your standards). I guess McNabb's biggest fault is that he's not Joe Montana or Tom Brady. Well, I don't see a QB of that caliber on any team's trading block, so rather than spite myself, I'll take the guy with a .645 lifetime win-loss pct. (And 9-5 playoff record) over some other guy who you'll think is great simply because he's not-McNabb.I'm done being drawn into this anti-Mcnabb crap. It's truly a shame that the eagles have run off 5 out of 6 wins and are a day away from what might be the toughest opstacle in their path of a Super Bowl appearance and the guy that ragging on our QB is 'supposed to be' an Eagles fan. You are a disgrace. You must be a huge fan of Trent Dilfer. He has a ring.

Typical of you. Jump around to different angles without addressing the issues then throw in an insult.

 

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So anyway, anybody think we should go hard after Jordan Gross if Carolina has to franchise Peppers?

 

[JuniorNB]

Cool. Back on track.

I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito.

ray:

 

[dirtywaters20]

So anyway, anybody think we should go hard after Jordan Gross if Carolina has to franchise Peppers?

Yes. We will likely be too far down in round one to grab an NFL ready tackle & I don't want to package both picks to move up. If anything, I'd rather trade one of them for another first + additonal picks the following year (I know that won't be popular). The offensive line is a major concern of mine going into the offseason; we could be losing 3 of 5 starters depending upon what happens with Andrews. MJG is a backup & Jamaal Jackson isn't nearly as effective without the Big Kid lining up beside him. The center & guard play has not been great for the run game this year & is a big reason for their short yardage woes.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Cool. Back on track.

I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito.

ray:

There's no way you're serious about this, right?

 

[JuniorNB]

Cool. Back on track.

I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito.

ray:

There's no way you're serious about this, right?

It would probably take an additional lower draft pick, but if I'm Philly, I'd persue it. Cleveland is down on Edwards right now.

 

[scratcher]

Cool. Back on track.I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito. ray:

I think we'd be lucky to get a 4th for Lito next year, he's buried under Joselio Hanson on the depth chart right now. I can definitely see us spending both 1st rounders on OL next year. However, Runyan and "Tra" have had a good season so maybe they'll be back for another year? King is on IR for the year and may be groomed to be a replacement. He's freakin huge but definitely needs work on technique. Either way I fully expect more OL in the draft and to no longer see Justice in midnight green.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Cool. Back on track.I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito. ray:

would LOVE to see Jacobs in Eagle green next year. though they would have to overpay for him, i think a westy/BJ (heh eh) combo would be deadly.Not quite sold on Edwards anymore, he's got serious TO style mental issues.I'd still like to have boldin, though i'm not sure how they would get him

 

[Deranged Hermit]

So anyway, anybody think we should go hard after Jordan Gross if Carolina has to franchise Peppers?

Absolutely. Tackle should be the number 1 priority in the off season.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Man, things are stacking up nicely for the Eagles if they beat the NYG tomorrow.....

 

[Liquid Tension]

I'm not sure what you're watching but McNabb has stepped up maybe one or two times when the D has failed. The D has carried this team when they were winning. Reid's O is clearly QB friendly. If McNabb was above 60% we would probably have a couple Superbowls. His YPA, sacks and comp pct are always below the 'great ones". Games we lost/tied this year that hurt the most? Cincy and Washington. The D was great and Mcnabb did NOTHING. His 6 and 8 straight 3 and outs on 0 for whatever passing tires the D in other games. It's almost sad to watch the D play great while he scores nothing. All of this 5 of 6 talk should be about the D giving up 12 points a game and scoring a lot. Mcnabb has been merely a caretaker the last few games. You guys that want to blast anyone negative about Mcnabb while blasting Reid all the same are hypocritical and wrong.

Yeah, because that Superbowl that "He" lost had nothing to do with the constant pressure he was under while the Eagles D got absolutely no pressure on the other QB. Yep, all his fault. If only the Eagles had any other QB in the league that day they would have been champions. Did you watch the game? That game was decided by line play, sorry if that element of the game confuses you.

I have no idea what will happen on Sunday. I think the Eagles have a great chance to win the game, but the Giants are the #1 seed for a reason. Win or lose, good game or bad, McNabb can QB my team next year.

Go Eagles!!!!

Football is a team game and (you can see in my sig) the QB gets too much credit when teams win and too much blame when they lose. Any Eagle fans who want McNabb gone will see what a mistake it was when it takes them 5 years to find a replacement. Sometimes you get "lucky" but many times it could take longer than 5 years.This should be a very good and tough game. I don't expect either team to implode like Carolina did, but I do think the Giants with 2 weeks to prepare will come up with enough good coaching plays to beat the Eagles. This may however be wishful thinking as I am a Giant fan.

Either way, no injuries to either team so the NFC East can win back to back Super Bowls (as long as it isn't Dallas)

Peace and good luck

 

[Liquid Tension]

Cool. Back on track.I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito. ray:

would LOVE to see Jacobs in Eagle green next year. though they would have to overpay for him, i think a westy/BJ (heh eh) combo would be deadly.Not quite sold on Edwards anymore, he's got serious TO style mental issues.I'd still like to have boldin, though i'm not sure how they would get him

I will bite on this...as Giant fan, we have been discussing what we should do with Jacobs and Ward as they are both free agents. The Giants have a guy Ware who looks to be a runner in a similar ability to Ward. Anyway, the thought was how much money is Jacobs worth? Is he worth as much as say Marion Barber? More, less? Our thinking was that he would get paid a little on the lower side of the clear #1's in the league (adjusting for a new contract - which would bring him up to about average). He clearly is a weapon and brings a unique element to the team, but getting top #1 dollars doesn't seem prudent financially if you ask me...this is a tough choice; I hope he takes a home team discount and comes back for just slightly below market.If you had a franchise, where does he rank as a RB, money excluded? NON FANTASYHe is a great punishing runner that sets the tone for a team. He hurts the opposing defenses and softens them for others. He actually has good top speed, but is not too quick. He has good vision and runs with great power and has a little wiggle for a big guy. He also is a great blocker and picks up the blitz better than any RB I have seen (Ronnie Brown is good also). Jacobs is not a factor in the passing game and while he can snatch the ball with his hands, he has dropped far too many passes for his attempts. He does get dinged up, but this doesn't seem to be much worse than a lot of RB's. This risk is higher with him though.Tough choice

 

[JuniorNB]

Cool. Back on track.I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito. ray:

would LOVE to see Jacobs in Eagle green next year. though they would have to overpay for him, i think a westy/BJ (heh eh) combo would be deadly.Not quite sold on Edwards anymore, he's got serious TO style mental issues.I'd still like to have boldin, though i'm not sure how they would get him

I will bite on this...as Giant fan, we have been discussing what we should do with Jacobs and Ward as they are both free agents. The Giants have a guy Ware who looks to be a runner in a similar ability to Ward. Anyway, the thought was how much money is Jacobs worth? Is he worth as much as say Marion Barber? More, less? Our thinking was that he would get paid a little on the lower side of the clear #1's in the league (adjusting for a new contract - which would bring him up to about average). He clearly is a weapon and brings a unique element to the team, but getting top #1 dollars doesn't seem prudent financially if you ask me...this is a tough choice; I hope he takes a home team discount and comes back for just slightly below market.If you had a franchise, where does he rank as a RB, money excluded? NON FANTASYHe is a great punishing runner that sets the tone for a team. He hurts the opposing defenses and softens them for others. He actually has good top speed, but is not too quick. He has good vision and runs with great power and has a little wiggle for a big guy. He also is a great blocker and picks up the blitz better than any RB I have seen (Ronnie Brown is good also). Jacobs is not a factor in the passing game and while he can snatch the ball with his hands, he has dropped far too many passes for his attempts. He does get dinged up, but this doesn't seem to be much worse than a lot of RB's. This risk is higher with him though.Tough choice

Good thoughts. The Giants have some big choices to make.From an Eagles' perspective, I'd love to see them make a run at Jacobs. The two things that Jacobs has going against him- injury prone, bad receiver, wouldn't matter as much if the Eagles picked him up, since they have two very good receiving backs already in Buckhalter and Westbrook, and because they would only need to run him 12-15 times per game.For years, the Eagles have lacked that big, physical threat at the running back position. Third and ones have been a nightmare. The Eagles are known for their physical play and the addition of Jacobs would just make them more imposing.I really wouldn't want the Eagles making a run at Ward. I just don't think he'd add much that they don't already have.

 

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I would much rather the Eagles draft their own bigger back that can catch the ball. Shonn Greene looks to be a nice 2nd rd pick. No way I would overpay for Jacobs.

 

[dirtywaters20]

The Eagles did have interest in Jacobs the year he came out. I think it didn't go anywhere because they wanted him to play an H-Back type of role & he was adamant about staying at tailback. I honestly don't know how I'd feel about adding him; he drops a lot of passes & seems to always be dinged. I'd be worried about giving him a lot of guaranteed money & what his shelf life would be; he takes a ton of abuse. I'd also question whether he'd be used enough by Reid/Marty to justify his price tag. He's a tough call because he's a monster once he gets to the second level.

I'd rather add Gross if he becomes available to play the right side. Tackle is a tougher position to fill & it's unusual that a good one even hits the market. The offense needs to be the focus of the offseason for certain. The only way I'd go defense would be if one of the better free safety prospects drops in the draft. I'd love to know what the brass thinks of Ikegwuonu, it's possible after that knee injury that he may be viewed as a safety prospect vs. a corner. I know Demps has been taking more snaps in the base defense against 2 TE sets, but I still have reservations about his coverage ability. O-Line, a legit TE, & a rotational RB are all the biggest needs IMO.

 

[JuniorNB]

The Eagles did have interest in Jacobs the year he came out. I think it didn't go anywhere because they wanted him to play an H-Back type of role & he was adamant about staying at tailback. I honestly don't know how I'd feel about adding him; he drops a lot of passes & seems to always be dinged. I'd be worried about giving him a lot of guaranteed money & what his shelf life would be; he takes a ton of abuse. I'd also question whether he'd be used enough by Reid/Marty to justify his price tag. He's a tough call because he's a monster once he gets to the second level.

Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't really think about that. As a short yardage/goalline/wear 'em down in the first half kind of back, he would be an awesome compliment to Westbrook. Infortunately, based on this year's numbers, he's going to demand RB1 money. It is probably going to be too much to pay for a situational back.

 

[dirtywaters20]

Cool. Back on track.

I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito.

ray:

There's no way you're serious about this, right?

It would probably take an additional lower draft pick, but if I'm Philly, I'd persue it. Cleveland is down on Edwards right now.

I think it would take considerably more than that. Edwards may have had a down year but he is one year removed from a monster campaign & the entire team played terrible this year. He gets a chance for a fresh start with the new regime. Lito did ZERO to help his market value this year; he's been terrible & his attitude stinks. I wouldn't be surprised if he was cut outright & I'd be shocked if he fetched a first day pick. I think a 4th or 5th sounds about right.

 

[JuniorNB]

Cool. Back on track.

I'd like to see Philly go after Brandon Jacobs and/or Braylon Edwards in the offseason. If I'm not mistaken, Jacons is an UFA. I think Edwards could be had for Lito.

ray:

There's no way you're serious about this, right?

It would probably take an additional lower draft pick, but if I'm Philly, I'd persue it. Cleveland is down on Edwards right now.

I think it would take considerably more than that. Edwards may have had a down year but he is one year removed from a monster campaign & the entire team played terrible this year. He gets a chance for a fresh start with the new regime. Lito did ZERO to help his market value this year; he's been terrible & his attitude stinks. I wouldn't be surprised if he was cut outright & I'd be shocked if he fetched a first day pick. I think a 4th or 5th sounds about right.

I have always considered Lito's demotion(s) as a result of his complaining in the offseason. The fact that Hanson has improved, couupled with the fact that Shepard isn't in the Eagles' future plans, put him at teh end of teh depth charts.Isn't Lito also only a year or two removed from having an excellent season?

 

[hotdogcollars]

First, i am SO pumped for this Gnats game.

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

 

[JuniorNB]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

huh? How are they correct? In every poll i've seen, philly fans vote unanimously to keep both McNabb and Reid. I'm fine with people voicing their opinion (fans and media), but its the job of the media to be smart enough to figure out the true sentiment of a city.

 

[JuniorNB]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

huh? How are they correct? In every poll i've seen, philly fans vote unanimously to keep both McNabb and Reid. I'm fine with people voicing their opinion (fans and media), but its the job of the media to be smart enough to figure out the true sentiment of a city.

In general, we (Philly sports fans) are probably the most disloyal to its stars as an city I can think of. There was a thread earlier in the week that listed all the great athletes we've had here in the last twenty years and our fans have aturned on almost every one of them at some point,. Schmidt, Iverson, Lindross, Mcnabb..... the list goes on and on.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

huh? How are they correct? In every poll i've seen, philly fans vote unanimously to keep both McNabb and Reid. I'm fine with people voicing their opinion (fans and media), but its the job of the media to be smart enough to figure out the true sentiment of a city.

In general, we (Philly sports fans) are probably the most disloyal to its stars as an city I can think of. There was a thread earlier in the week that listed all the great athletes we've had here in the last twenty years and our fans have aturned on almost every one of them at some point,. Schmidt, Iverson, Lindross, Mcnabb..... the list goes on and on.

I guess we have different opinions of disloyal, and thats fine. I've heard all those guys booed, but i've also heard them defended (to a fault) by philly fans. I've heard fans in every nfl city boo their stars.anyway, 30 mins to kickoff and this is an "unwinnable" argument, so i'm gonna go gear up for the game

 

[JuniorNB]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

huh? How are they correct? In every poll i've seen, philly fans vote unanimously to keep both McNabb and Reid. I'm fine with people voicing their opinion (fans and media), but its the job of the media to be smart enough to figure out the true sentiment of a city.

In general, we (Philly sports fans) are probably the most disloyal to its stars as an city I can think of. There was a thread earlier in the week that listed all the great athletes we've had here in the last twenty years and our fans have aturned on almost every one of them at some point,. Schmidt, Iverson, Lindross, Mcnabb..... the list goes on and on.

anyway, 30 mins to kickoff and this is an "unwinnable" argument, so i'm gonna go gear up for the game

Me, too! Can't wait. I'm as nervous as I am excited.Go Birds!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[crewmember]

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

I live in Philly and you just described the Hometown Iggle faithful in a nutshell...One minute it's "AR is a ####### and should be fired!" or "McNabb will never win here"!!....a few days later after a win...It's "I-G-G-L-E-S" chants and "FLY, IGGLETS, FLY...ON THE ROAD TO..." til my eardrums are bleeding...so fickle.Pick a side and stick to it is all I want.

They take a little bit of the joy of winning from me because I love the teams but hate my fellow fans. Turned on WIP before the game against cowboys, thought they would be going crazy about what just happenened to Bucs/Bears. Callers and Host were talking about getting rid of Reid/McNabb. Don't get me started on the Phillies...Worst baseball fan's ever.Guess we can compare ourselves to New York fans, but by then we've already lost.

Try listening to 950 sometime - WIP actively seeks callers with below average IQ's - and has been known to drop people if they sound too intelligent or don't agree with the designated rant of the day. Trying to make a point about things that make sense isn't greatly appreciated. Hosts are generally stupid, jack###es or both.I actually think the Phils fans are getting short shrift here - we are the losingest franchise in pro sports, so suffering has been long. Braves ahve worse fans - they don't sell out playoff games, and basically built the fanbase through TNT & TBS becoming the South's team.

Yea I don't listen to regular radio much, but love 950 for Jody Mac during baseball season. They actually talked baseball before the Phils were in the World Series. Only really listen to Eskin on 610, at least he yells at those below average IQ's.Phils fans bug the hell out of me because they booed Pat Burrell at every at bat one year, then acted like he was God the next year. Now Ryan Howard has taken that spot. Constant harrasment until he nails that game winning Homerun. If only he could do that every at bat. Booing in baseball kills me because it's a game of confidence, so I look at it as the same as booing a guy in golf. Not saying you can't do it, but for the love of God pick your spots. Eagles fans have a high IQ for knowledge but Phils fans not so much. I guess it's the same people tho, so makes sense.

 

[crewmember]

Anyone see countdown, asked him what was worst part about his beard. He said he'll get cheese wiz stuck in there and takes him forever to get it out.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Before this game, on the record here as a BIG McNabb fan. I have confidence in him today and going forward into next year regardless of how or when the season ends. The last few weeks, I have completely enjoyed 5 being the player I grew up watching in 'Cuse.

I feel confidence in #5 right now. It just FEELS different around this team the last 5 or 6 weeks, and he is why IMO.

GO EAGLES!!!!

 

[Gopher State]

Great game today by the Eagles vs the G-Men

The Eagles can book their tickets to the superbowl, AZ will try but will fail

GO EAGLES

 

[Mighty Mice]

Since Thanksgiving, I have had so much fun watching the Eagles. Unreal level of play 6 of 7 games down the stretch. Satisfaction of ending both Dallas and NYG seasons is icing on the cake.

Guys, 5 NFCCG's in 10 years of McNabb/Reid in Philly. 5 of 10 times in the "final four."

If we beat the Cards, we go to the super bowl. We all would have taken that at the start of the year.

Phillies lead, Eagles follow. Bring the titles home!!!!

 

[hotdogcollars]

i think mentioned this before, but i this defense. Best Eagle D in my lifetime. They are playing absolutely lights out

 

[JuniorNB]

Once considered to be busts, Patterson and Bunkley have been playing great.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Since Thanksgiving, I have had so much fun watching the Eagles. Unreal level of play 6 of 7 games down the stretch. Satisfaction of ending both Dallas and NYG seasons is icing on the cake.Guys, 5 NFCCG's in 10 years of McNabb/Reid in Philly. 5 of 10 times in the "final four." If we beat the Cards, we go to the super bowl. We all would have taken that at the start of the year. Phillies lead, Eagles follow. Bring the titles home!!!!

As a Pittsburgher living in PHilly, I'm gonna puke. The best day of my life will be if the Steelers can beat the Iggles in the superbowl. In all seriousness, congrats Eagles fans. I think you're the team of destiny this year.

 

[PewterFan]

Philadelphia = New Title Town?

 

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i think mentioned this before, but i this defense. Best Eagle D in my lifetime. They are playing absolutely lights out

Yep. 2002 was pretty special but this one is scary deep.

 

[Meat]

Bring on AZ! Big win yesterday for them, and a team I've liked all year - but I honestly LOVE the Birds in that game. *6* take aways against Carolina but only 3 TDs? Impressive win, but I don't think that's all that great. I think close game at Half, but Eagles take by 7-10. Either way, very very excited!

 

[Lehigh98]

i think mentioned this before, but i this defense. Best Eagle D in my lifetime. They are playing absolutely lights out

You were born after 1991?

 

[stevegamer]

ETA: FWIW, the only one from that list that i lost my "love" for was lindros 'cause he played with no heart. All those other guys gave everything they had

Surely you jest.He was a one man wrecking crew...poured his heart out to win...and his head.

that wouldnt be a bit of sarcasm would it? Anyway, i'd like to change my vote to Ricky Watters...now HE had no heart

No Sarcasm. The big E was the best Flyer of all time.

Um, no.Lindros played in a more scoring-happy era which means his stats are deflated by adjustment. He was not durable, so he could be lost to the team at a moment's notice.

Simply the right answer is either Bobby Clarke or Bernie Parent. Honestly, I'd go with Bernie, as goaltending is crucial.

Lindros did way more than score...BTW. I will accept Bernie as a valid possible answer. Clarke was very good too.

My opinion remains that if any knowledgable Flyer fan makes a top 5 list of players of all time, Lindros is on it. He just happens to be #1 on my list.

I know he did more than score, but scoring is era-dependent. He'd be in my top 10, and almost certainly in my top 5. I'd need to figure out spots 3-5. For me, it's Parent, Clarke, then thinking...

 

[stevegamer]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

huh? How are they correct? In every poll i've seen, philly fans vote unanimously to keep both McNabb and Reid. I'm fine with people voicing their opinion (fans and media), but its the job of the media to be smart enough to figure out the true sentiment of a city.

The polls are lying - if you wre around here, you'd hear it. Thre are alot of people who are feeling much better about McNabb & Reid, but if you look back at older polls, there wasn't nearly the love.The group that wants them gone is more vocal - and it's probably back to being a minority now, but it's likely stil pretty close. On my street I think it runs 2-1 agaisnt retaining Mcnabb-Reid, and only a couple of those guys are anti-McNabb due to being racists.

 

[gonzobill5]

You mean this one isn't it? I think you just need to go back a few pages to see people hoping they lose to get a better draft pick, and talking about Reid and McNabb gone.And I find this whole rant against BK to be rather hypocritical. Page after page insulting Andy Reid but you want to crufcify him for insulting Donavon McNabb. Your just picking different people, Reid has just as many creditenals to be appreciated as McNabb and McNabb has as many flaws as reid to be insulted.Not Looking to defend him, just pointing out the absurdity. Continue on...

I live in Philly and you just described the Hometown Iggle faithful in a nutshell...One minute it's "AR is a ####### and should be fired!" or "McNabb will never win here"!!....a few days later after a win...It's "I-G-G-L-E-S" chants and "FLY, IGGLETS, FLY...ON THE ROAD TO..." til my eardrums are bleeding...so fickle.Pick a side and stick to it is all I want.

They take a little bit of the joy of winning from me because I love the teams but hate my fellow fans. Turned on WIP before the game against cowboys, thought they would be going crazy about what just happenened to Bucs/Bears. Callers and Host were talking about getting rid of Reid/McNabb. Don't get me started on the Phillies...Worst baseball fan's ever.Guess we can compare ourselves to New York fans, but by then we've already lost.

Try listening to 950 sometime - WIP actively seeks callers with below average IQ's - and has been known to drop people if they sound too intelligent or don't agree with the designated rant of the day. Trying to make a point about things that make sense isn't greatly appreciated. Hosts are generally stupid, jack###es or both.I actually think the Phils fans are getting short shrift here - we are the losingest franchise in pro sports, so suffering has been long. Braves ahve worse fans - they don't sell out playoff games, and basically built the fanbase through TNT & TBS becoming the South's team.

Yea I don't listen to regular radio much, but love 950 for Jody Mac during baseball season. They actually talked baseball before the Phils were in the World Series. Only really listen to Eskin on 610, at least he yells at those below average IQ's.Phils fans bug the hell out of me because they booed Pat Burrell at every at bat one year, then acted like he was God the next year. Now Ryan Howard has taken that spot. Constant harrasment until he nails that game winning Homerun. If only he could do that every at bat. Booing in baseball kills me because it's a game of confidence, so I look at it as the same as booing a guy in golf. Not saying you can't do it, but for the love of God pick your spots. Eagles fans have a high IQ for knowledge but Phils fans not so much. I guess it's the same people tho, so makes sense.

I agree that Philly fans don't get the game of baseball. They have so much trouble understanding that there are 162 games in a season and that even the best teams will lose around 60. They would take 2/3 against a bad team and everyone will be all up in arms that they didn't sweep. They'll win 2 games in a four game road series and everyone acts like that is bad. They won't sell the farm for a rent a player for the second half of the season, and they'll killed for that too.

 

[modogg]

What Philly hates are athletes who open their mouths too much...Barkley - had the love, lost the loveSchmidt - had it and lost itOwens - had it and lost itCunningham - had it and lost itMcNabb - had it and is losing it, but with a Super Bowl win all is forgottenLindros - had it and lost it because of his parents who loved to talk

Add AI to the list. Practice?

"For Who, For What?"

Wow. That is essentially a list of teh greatest athletes to ever play in the city.Are all cities as bad as Philly when it comes to appreciating their stars?

Nope.....we are far and away the cream of the crop.

Did Barkly ever lose the love? I and i think most others always liked him, he is popular in town still. Schmidt is loved nowOwens lost the love (i miss him)Cunningham, i thought was always a fan favorite, just criticised for not winning but that was alot of Buddy's fault as wellLindros lost the love

I don't know about this list either. You listen to those idiots on sports radio you may think some of this, but all those knuckleheads do is cause drama and try to get ratings. Only 2 legit guys on the list are Owens and Lindros. Lindros gets a little raw deal, and Owens deserves it. I don't know if a significant number hate Barkley, Shmidt, and Cunningham, in fact i know people who love Barkley and always will. And I think McNabb falls (hopefuly) more in this category as well, just so happends the 15% who hate him are louder than the 85% who either like him or do not feel as strongly to hate or love the guy

 

[modogg]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

huh? How are they correct? In every poll i've seen, philly fans vote unanimously to keep both McNabb and Reid. I'm fine with people voicing their opinion (fans and media), but its the job of the media to be smart enough to figure out the true sentiment of a city.

The polls are lying - if you wre around here, you'd hear it. Thre are alot of people who are feeling much better about McNabb & Reid, but if you look back at older polls, there wasn't nearly the love.The group that wants them gone is more vocal - and it's probably back to being a minority now, but it's likely stil pretty close. On my street I think it runs 2-1 agaisnt retaining Mcnabb-Reid, and only a couple of those guys are anti-McNabb due to being racists.

Funny, i have lived in Philly for a long time and don't get the same feel. If you listen to the media and radio (and for the love of God don't judge Philly fans by the sports radio, as was mentioned before they choose their callers to pull in drama and just love to do their thing. Yes there are plenty of morons in the city who just regurgitate what they hear on these shows). I definately think you are right these idiots are louder because the rest of us don't walk around yelling how great McNabb and Reid are all the time, but i think the majority is still pro-McNabb. Reid may be a different story, but after this latest run i think people will be back in his corner. i think most fans have to admit they questioned him during parts of our season. I know I did when Cincy and Washington players came out and talked about how they knew every play the Eagles were going to run and they were so predictable it was easy. Either way, this game should quiet them for sometime, I say until next year if we lose 2 games in a row.

 

[modogg]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

And oh, what i wouldn't give for the NFL network to have one of their post game shows in Philly again and have Deion run his mouth. I would be willing to spend a night in jail just to be able to wing a beer at him. The worst still is Michael Irvin when he was with ESPN and he coaxed T.O. in all of those interviews to bash the Eagles as a whole, but Deion is following closely. And unfortunately, i think the NFL network is going with the public opinion here and just trying to get people's attn. Kudos to them for not saying how we booed Santa Claus today though, maybe this is a process they need to go through and will eventually embrace us.

 

[stevegamer]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

huh? How are they correct? In every poll i've seen, philly fans vote unanimously to keep both McNabb and Reid. I'm fine with people voicing their opinion (fans and media), but its the job of the media to be smart enough to figure out the true sentiment of a city.

The polls are lying - if you wre around here, you'd hear it. Thre are alot of people who are feeling much better about McNabb & Reid, but if you look back at older polls, there wasn't nearly the love.The group that wants them gone is more vocal - and it's probably back to being a minority now, but it's likely stil pretty close. On my street I think it runs 2-1 agaisnt retaining Mcnabb-Reid, and only a couple of those guys are anti-McNabb due to being racists.

Funny, i have lived in Philly for a long time and don't get the same feel. If you listen to the media and radio (and for the love of God don't judge Philly fans by the sports radio, as was mentioned before they choose their callers to pull in drama and just love to do their thing. Yes there are plenty of morons in the city who just regurgitate what they hear on these shows). I definately think you are right these idiots are louder because the rest of us don't walk around yelling how great McNabb and Reid are all the time, but i think the majority is still pro-McNabb. Reid may be a different story, but after this latest run i think people will be back in his corner. i think most fans have to admit they questioned him during parts of our season. I know I did when Cincy and Washington players came out and talked about how they knew every play the Eagles were going to run and they were so predictable it was easy. Either way, this game should quiet them for sometime, I say until next year if we lose 2 games in a row.

This is part of the issue - but every neighborhood is different, and has a differnt propotion of idiots. It's dicey - thy are alot of morons who go with whatever's being said at the moment, but are genuinely anti-McNabb/Reid.

 

[hotdogcollars]

i think mentioned this before, but i this defense. Best Eagle D in my lifetime. They are playing absolutely lights out

You were born after 1991?

i'm 7 Nah, i am 32, but i think this D is better than the '90 squad. I know, i almost wanted to slap myself just for saying that. But I just think this D has no weak links. They stop the run and pass, they get TOs, they get sacks, they can play goalline or dime with equal fierceness. Buddy's '46 was innovate and intense, but it gave up too many big plays.Either way, this squad just needs 2 more solid games and i'll call them whatever they want to be calledETA: I would love for the talking heads at the NFL network and ESPN to take a listen to all the Eli bashing going on right now. Its on par with anything i've heard Eagles fans say about McNabb. Wonder if we'll hear about how bad these Giants fans are for hating their QB?

 

[Polish Hammer]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

And oh, what i wouldn't give for the NFL network to have one of their post game shows in Philly again and have Deion run his mouth. I would be willing to spend a night in jail just to be able to wing a beer at him. The worst still is Michael Irvin when he was with ESPN and he coaxed T.O. in all of those interviews to bash the Eagles as a whole, but Deion is following closely. And unfortunately, i think the NFL network is going with the public opinion here and just trying to get people's attn. Kudos to them for not saying how we booed Santa Claus today though, maybe this is a process they need to go through and will eventually embrace us.

Nice comment, Mo. Way to step up the perception of Philadelphia sports fans and their level of class! Come on, man, you're better than this. I know that you'd still proudly be a 700 level guy if you had the chance, but I think it is obvious when a guy like Deion is the one throwing out the ideas about levels of fan support that it isn't too valid. Just let the goofball run his mouth and I think most people are smart enough to judge the content by its source.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Buddy's '46 was innovate and intense, but it gave up too many big plays.

It had one weakness: the CB spot opposite Eric Allen. First Izell "Toast" Jenkins, then Ben Smith, who was talented but often injured. Since the 46 required the corners to be in single coverage a lot, this was a major problem. This is not an issue for the current D. The secondary is strong enough to do what it needs to do when there's a blitz.I think Buddy's D was more dominant, but this D is more effective. If that makes any sense.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Buddy's '46 was innovate and intense, but it gave up too many big plays.

It had one weakness: the CB spot opposite Eric Allen. First Izell "Toast" Jenkins, then Ben Smith, who was talented but often injured. Since the 46 required the corners to be in single coverage a lot, this was a major problem. This is not an issue for the current D. The secondary is strong enough to do what it needs to do when there's a blitz.I think Buddy's D was more dominant, but this D is more effective. If that makes any sense.

I'll go with that. and you owe me for making me think of izel "toast" jenkins again....i spent years eliminating that guy from my memory

 

[modogg]

Second, i am sick and tired of the talking heads bashing philly fans. Just because a small, but very vocal, minority makes their case constantly, then we have to hear that Philly fans dont appreciate their stars? I've heard Deion, Marshall Faulk, Sapp, SAS, and even Mooch bash philly fans today.

I'm sick of it, too and I wish they were wrong.

And oh, what i wouldn't give for the NFL network to have one of their post game shows in Philly again and have Deion run his mouth. I would be willing to spend a night in jail just to be able to wing a beer at him. The worst still is Michael Irvin when he was with ESPN and he coaxed T.O. in all of those interviews to bash the Eagles as a whole, but Deion is following closely. And unfortunately, i think the NFL network is going with the public opinion here and just trying to get people's attn. Kudos to them for not saying how we booed Santa Claus today though, maybe this is a process they need to go through and will eventually embrace us.

Nice comment, Mo. Way to step up the perception of Philadelphia sports fans and their level of class! Come on, man, you're better than this. I know that you'd still proudly be a 700 level guy if you had the chance, but I think it is obvious when a guy like Deion is the one throwing out the ideas about levels of fan support that it isn't too valid. Just let the goofball run his mouth and I think most people are smart enough to judge the content by its source.

nice, i was wondering where you were at. I was watching NFL network last night and they interviewed McNabb again, and had him address Deion always speaking for him. I think McNabb is playing a bit of politics game, looking to set-up a post playing career on TV. He is a funny one though, you never know what is going on in his head. From my experience, i would be willing to go on a limb and suggest he may have some degree of ADD. I don't think his antics (dancing on the sideline, the phone thing, etc.) are that much of an act, and if this is the case this may explain some of his reactions and behavior.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

i think mentioned this before, but i this defense. Best Eagle D in my lifetime. They are playing absolutely lights out

You were born after 1991?

That defense was "insanely good".This year's defense is just "really good".