***OFFICIAL*** FFA Heavy Music Thread - No banal, anodyne "Dad Rock" BS here.. (2 Viewers)

[Evilgrin 72]

Sex Pistols.

Sometimes, punk and metal are pretty close...

Agreed, but they're straight punk, not metal. A no. In fact, just about any punk band would be a no, with a few exceptions, where there were crossover tendencies, like the Misfits, Rollins Band, and Suicidal.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Sex Pistols.

Sometimes, punk and metal are pretty close...

I was just gonna say Ramones

No.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Van Halen

Living Colour

Queensryche

Rush

Alice Cooper

Bon Jovi

NoYes

Yes

No

Yes (more in his latter days, even though the music was weaker)

Yes

 

[piratemike]

Queen

 

[saintsfan]

It seems to me the ONLY reason Zep isn't metal is because they are too diverse to be called metal.

Now that I am officially lost, Evilgrin, I'll leave the thread never to speak of it again

 

[Doug B]

I should have asked about Ministry before they were mentioned.

I saw them live exactly once ... and it was just about a straight metal show except that they were light on the guitar solos and heavy on industrial effects. Their energy and fervor are metal-like ... the music is not.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Metal is a genre of music, not a badge of honor.

You're making what I think is a valuable distinction:a) metal bands, and

b) bands who have metal songs in their repetoire

...

So here, you're addressing the acts that fall within (a).

If you were interested in addressing the (b) bands, this thread could venture far and wide -- Neil Young, Foreigner, Rush, Queen, Heart -- and heck, even Prince -- have done metal. They just aren't metal.

Of those, Queen is the only one that might be considered metal, IMO. I can go either way on them.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Blue Oyster Cult

No, I don't have any Blue Oyster Cult. Where were you last week?

I had 34 pairs last time around, where were you? I was this close to working at 7-11, you know.....

 

[piratemike]

Metal is a genre of music, not a badge of honor.

You're making what I think is a valuable distinction:a) metal bands, and

b) bands who have metal songs in their repetoire

...

So here, you're addressing the acts that fall within (a).

If you were interested in addressing the (b) bands, this thread could venture far and wide -- Neil Young, Foreigner, Rush, Queen, Heart -- and heck, even Prince -- have done metal. They just aren't metal.

Of those, Queen is the only one that might be considered metal, IMO. I can go either way on them.

<_< Get off the fence.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Queen

Close, but I might say yes here. VERY close.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

It seems to me the ONLY reason Zep isn't metal is because they are too diverse to be called metal.

Now that I am officially lost, Evilgrin, I'll leave the thread never to speak of it again

It's not the only reason, but it's a big one.

 

[saintsfan]

Van Halen

Living Colour

Queensryche

Rush

Alice Cooper

Bon Jovi

NoYes

Yes

No

Yes (more in his latter days, even though the music was weaker)

Yes

WHAT???Van Halen isn't metal??? EVH defined what a metal guitarist is. How can they not be metal? I'll agree that Van Hagar might not have been metal, but the original VH is certainly metal.

If the definition of what is and what is not metal changes every 5 years, how will you ever know what is metal? VH was CERTAINLY considered metal when they came out. That I know.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Van Halen

Living Colour

Queensryche

Rush

Alice Cooper

Bon Jovi

NoYes

Yes

No

Yes (more in his latter days, even though the music was weaker)

Yes

WHAT???Van Halen isn't metal??? EVH defined what a metal guitarist is. How can they not be metal? I'll agree that Van Hagar might not have been metal, but the original VH is certainly metal.

If the definition of what is and what is not metal changes every 5 years, how will you ever know what is metal? VH was CERTAINLY considered metal when they came out. That I know.

I'll clarify. VH was fringe metal from VH1 through Diver Down. 1984 began a transformation into being a decidely non-metal band. There were too many bands on that list to do a detailed synopsis like I did here (and with Soundgarden), so I went "no" because the current incarnation is not. However, their first albums were, you're 100% correct.

 

[piratemike]

Queen

Close, but I might say yes here. VERY close.

Fair enough.

 

[Doug B]

Of those, Queen is the only one that might be considered metal, IMO. I can go either way on them.

You'd have to split their career in half ("pre-The Game" versus "The Game and later"), and somewhat disregard their eclecticism. They have done plenty of metal, to be sure ... and they arranged some of their non-metal material into metal songs when played live.Cheap Trick used to do the same thing ... they cut softish versions of their songs in the studio, but performed them hard on tour.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I don't think Queen is metal, more a latter day glam-rock.

 

[Please See Mine]

Blue Oyster Cult

No, I don't have any Blue Oyster Cult. Where were you last week?

I had 34 pairs last time around, where were you? I was this close to working at 7-11, you know.....

We came to help you with your math homework.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Van Halen

Living Colour

Queensryche

Rush

Alice Cooper

Bon Jovi

NoYes

Yes

No

Yes (more in his latter days, even though the music was weaker)

Yes

WHAT???Van Halen isn't metal??? EVH defined what a metal guitarist is. How can they not be metal? I'll agree that Van Hagar might not have been metal, but the original VH is certainly metal.

If the definition of what is and what is not metal changes every 5 years, how will you ever know what is metal? VH was CERTAINLY considered metal when they came out. That I know.

It's not the definition, but the bands. Incubus and Sugar Ray were both metal when they started out, and now neither is. Bands change over time, usually in response to commercial success. They lose the metal tendencies in order to gain mainstream acceptance.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Motorhead.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Of those, Queen is the only one that might be considered metal, IMO.  I can go either way on them.

You'd have to split their career in half ("pre-The Game" versus "The Game and later"), and somewhat disregard their eclecticism. They have done plenty of metal, to be sure ... and they arranged some of their non-metal material into metal songs when played live.Cheap Trick used to do the same thing ... they cut softish versions of their songs in the studio, but performed them hard on tour.

You're dead on on all of this. Queen is REALLY on the line. Cheap Trick is too.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Motorhead.

Not metal

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Motorhead.

See, they're more like AC/DC than they are like Metallica. They play fast, loud rock 'n' roll. And no one is more metal than Motorhead. That's why AC/DC can be metal and Zeppelin is not.Motorhead is a big, big YES.

 

[Please See Mine]

Incubus and Sugar Ray were both metal when they started out, and now neither is. Bands change over time, usually in response to commercial success. They lose the metal tendencies in order to gain mainstream acceptance.

Both of those bands were really very cool at their inception. Then they got all pop-happy.

 

[krash]

There were too many bands on that list to do a detailed synopsis

Ah sorry 'bout that - would have liked to see a synopsis on each, but otherwise - entertaining stuff here.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Blue Oyster Cult

No, I don't have any Blue Oyster Cult. Where were you last week?

I had 34 pairs last time around, where were you? I was this close to working at 7-11, you know.....

We came to help you with your math homework.

Figured you could use it on such a hot day.

 

[Doug B]

Cheap Trick is too.

It's kind of a shame with CT, because the extreme dichotomy between their studio recordings and their concert performances probably cost Rick Neilsen a deserved place among the pantheon of esteemed rock/metal guitarists.

 

[saintsfan]

Van Halen

Living Colour

Queensryche

Rush

Alice Cooper

Bon Jovi

NoYes

Yes

No

Yes (more in his latter days, even though the music was weaker)

Yes

WHAT???Van Halen isn't metal??? EVH defined what a metal guitarist is. How can they not be metal? I'll agree that Van Hagar might not have been metal, but the original VH is certainly metal.

If the definition of what is and what is not metal changes every 5 years, how will you ever know what is metal? VH was CERTAINLY considered metal when they came out. That I know.

I'll clarify. VH was fringe metal from VH1 through Diver Down. 1984 began a transformation into being a decidely non-metal band. There were too many bands on that list to do a detailed synopsis like I did here (and with Soundgarden), so I went "no" because the current incarnation is not. However, their first albums were, you're 100% correct.

Whew!!!I was getting concerned. I consider myself a limited metalhead, but early VH would have been on my metal list if I had to make one.

I do think Panama would be considered metal, although the rest of 1984 probably isn't.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

There were too many bands on that list to do a detailed synopsis

Ah sorry 'bout that - would have liked to see a synopsis on each, but otherwise - entertaining stuff here.

That's cool - and thanks, man.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Van Halen

Living Colour

Queensryche

Rush

Alice Cooper

Bon Jovi

NoYes

Yes

No

Yes (more in his latter days, even though the music was weaker)

Yes

WHAT???Van Halen isn't metal??? EVH defined what a metal guitarist is. How can they not be metal? I'll agree that Van Hagar might not have been metal, but the original VH is certainly metal.

If the definition of what is and what is not metal changes every 5 years, how will you ever know what is metal? VH was CERTAINLY considered metal when they came out. That I know.

I'll clarify. VH was fringe metal from VH1 through Diver Down. 1984 began a transformation into being a decidely non-metal band. There were too many bands on that list to do a detailed synopsis like I did here (and with Soundgarden), so I went "no" because the current incarnation is not. However, their first albums were, you're 100% correct.

Whew!!!I was getting concerned. I consider myself a limited metalhead, but early VH would have been on my metal list if I had to make one.

I do think Panama would be considered metal, although the rest of 1984 probably isn't.

Hot For Teacher and Drop Dead Legs are metal too. I'll Wait and Jump are not. That album is the crossover.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Korn

Purists will complain, but yes.Although, they seem to drift in and out.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

The Mars Volta.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

The Mars Volta.

No.

 

[krash]

Rob Zombie - I will say White Zombie was metal, what about his solo stuff? It's more techno.

 

[saintsfan]

Van Halen

Living Colour

Queensryche

Rush

Alice Cooper

Bon Jovi

NoYes

Yes

No

Yes (more in his latter days, even though the music was weaker)

Yes

WHAT???Van Halen isn't metal??? EVH defined what a metal guitarist is. How can they not be metal? I'll agree that Van Hagar might not have been metal, but the original VH is certainly metal.

If the definition of what is and what is not metal changes every 5 years, how will you ever know what is metal? VH was CERTAINLY considered metal when they came out. That I know.

I'll clarify. VH was fringe metal from VH1 through Diver Down. 1984 began a transformation into being a decidely non-metal band. There were too many bands on that list to do a detailed synopsis like I did here (and with Soundgarden), so I went "no" because the current incarnation is not. However, their first albums were, you're 100% correct.

Whew!!!I was getting concerned. I consider myself a limited metalhead, but early VH would have been on my metal list if I had to make one.

I do think Panama would be considered metal, although the rest of 1984 probably isn't.

Hot For Teacher and Drop Dead Legs are metal too. I'll Wait and Jump are not. That album is the crossover.

Just interested.What about Poundcake from For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge?

It's always been the one song from Van Hagar that I liked.

 

[Otis]

A quick skim, I saw that Bon Jovi was identified as a metal band, and I'll be leaving this thread now. Good day.

 

[Please See Mine]

hed(pe)

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Rob Zombie - I will say White Zombie was metal, what about his solo stuff? It's more techno.

Started out yes, but is becoming more no by the day. i heard "Foxy Foxy" the other day and almost threw up.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Van Halen

Living Colour

Queensryche

Rush

Alice Cooper

Bon Jovi

NoYes

Yes

No

Yes (more in his latter days, even though the music was weaker)

Yes

WHAT???Van Halen isn't metal??? EVH defined what a metal guitarist is. How can they not be metal? I'll agree that Van Hagar might not have been metal, but the original VH is certainly metal.

If the definition of what is and what is not metal changes every 5 years, how will you ever know what is metal? VH was CERTAINLY considered metal when they came out. That I know.

I'll clarify. VH was fringe metal from VH1 through Diver Down. 1984 began a transformation into being a decidely non-metal band. There were too many bands on that list to do a detailed synopsis like I did here (and with Soundgarden), so I went "no" because the current incarnation is not. However, their first albums were, you're 100% correct.

Whew!!!I was getting concerned. I consider myself a limited metalhead, but early VH would have been on my metal list if I had to make one.

I do think Panama would be considered metal, although the rest of 1984 probably isn't.

Hot For Teacher and Drop Dead Legs are metal too. I'll Wait and Jump are not. That album is the crossover.

Just interested.What about Poundcake from For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge?

It's always been the one song from Van Hagar that I liked.

That is a hard-hitting tune and could likely be considered metal, but that is not a metal album.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

A quick skim, I saw that Bon Jovi was identified as a metal band, and I'll be leaving this thread now. Good day.

We'll miss you. Were you even alive yet when Bon Jovi first started making music?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

hed(pe)

Yes, but I don't care for them.

 

[Please See Mine]

downset

rage against the machine

audioslave

 

[vandy®]

Black Sabbath

the pressure is on.

 

[krash]

Smashing Pumpkins

 

[Evilgrin 72]

downset

rage against the machine

audioslave

All yes, though the latter two are more hybrid. They're still metal enough to get yes votes, though.

 

[krash]

Rage Against the Machine

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Black Sabbath

the pressure is on.

Ummmmmmmmmm, yes.

 

[krash]

Sevendust

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Smashing Pumpkins

No. They seemed like they could have been headed that way originally, but they went down a different road.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Rage Against the Machine

See above.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Sevendust

Yes, but they worry me. They could end up being a no if they're not careful. Definite yes, though. Great, great guys too.