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***OFFICIAL*** FFA Heavy Music Thread - No banal, anodyne "Dad Rock" BS here.. (2 Viewers)

voivod/yob spring tour announced yesterday.  have my ticket already

anxious for the rivers/entheos and queensryche/fates warning tours this spring

 
If any of you hardcore devil dogs are going to be in Northern Cali on Thursday, January 12 you should check out the Victim's Family show in Petaluma. One of the greatest punk bands around, this is the current bassist and drummer from Jello Biafra's band.

 
I very rarely feel like a movie is bad. Usually enjoy everything to a degree. However, I can honestly say, I watched the worst piling piece of garbage I have ever seen. And I couldn't turn it off because I have OCD and needed to finish it. Do not make the same mistake I made and do not waste 1.5 hrs of your life on American Satan. 

And if you liked the movie and I offended you, I am sorry. Wasnt my intention. This is the first movie in my life I hated. I cant imagine many people liking it, but ive been wrong before (many times)

 
Fiddles said:
did you see they announced yesterday they are playing the whole album on the upcoming tour and bringing in the sax player?
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I did see that. They are great live.

My official stance on the sax player is I admire the choice, but the only thing less metal than a sax is a harmonica. I saw a technical death metal band from Canada name ONI open for Gojira a couple of years ago, and they had a vibraphone player. But he was playing it as a synth trigger. So it just sounded like keyboards. I love the sax. John Coltrane is my hero. Just don't want it in my metal.

 
Ghost Rider said:
That band had potential, but the singer is just okay and that first album was pretty bland.  A lot of talent, but need better songs. 
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This kind of metal would have appealed to me in the 80s or 90s. Seems pretty stale at this point. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
This, but also every time I try to give a good listen I hear wankery just for wankery's sake.  
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When I was a 17 year old in 1984, I saw Yngwie Malmsteen live and my life was never the same. I'd never seen anyone play that fast. In the modern YouTube era, 13 year olds can learn to shred for free. The mysticism of shredding has vanished, and so has the novelty. I'm good with ending guitar solos in metal.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
That's why I preferred their instrumental side project LTE.
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LTE is really good. The tough thing with all these shredding virtuosos is it feels to me like they're all recycling what Joe Satriani did 30 years ago. I think there's plenty of new ground to be covered in heavy music, but I have had it with most shredding. 

 
jdoggydogg said:
When I was a 17 year old in 1984, I saw Yngwie Malmsteen live and my life was never the same. I'd never seen anyone play that fast. In the modern YouTube era, 13 year olds can learn to shred for free. The mysticism of shredding has vanished, and so has the novelty. I'm good with ending guitar solos in metal.
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I was also a big shred guy at one time but found too much to be tiring. To me it still has it's place, but in a much more limited role that doesn't dominate the whole song. 

At one time Dimmu Borgir had a guy named Astennu on lead guitar. He could shred like crazy but he was only allowed to do it a liitlle within the structure of the song, it wasn't like Yngwie doing a 5 minute solo. That worked better for me.

 
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Leroy Hoard said:
I was also a big shred guy at one time but found too much to be tiring. To me it still has it's place, but in a much more limited role that doesn't dominate the whole song. 

At one time Dimmu Borgir had a guy named Astennu on lead guitar. He could shred like crazy but he was only allowed to do it a liitlle within the structure of the song, it wasn't like Yngwie doing a 5 minute solo. That worked better for me.
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I think the winning formula is be brief. I can stand about 15 seconds of diminished sweep picking arpeggios, but that's about it.

 
jdoggydogg said:
When I was a 17 year old in 1984, I saw Yngwie Malmsteen live and my life was never the same. I'd never seen anyone play that fast. In the modern YouTube era, 13 year olds can learn to shred for free. The mysticism of shredding has vanished, and so has the novelty. I'm good with ending guitar solos in metal.
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I saw Malmsteen around the same time.    I think he opened for Maiden.  Malmsteen was fun for about ten minutes.   I was never a fan of any solos but drum solos are even worse than guitar solos.   

 
DocHolliday said:
I saw Malmsteen around the same time.    I think he opened for Maiden.  Malmsteen was fun for about ten minutes.   I was never a fan of any solos but drum solos are even worse than guitar solos.   
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Saw Yngwie twice:

Once with Billy Sheehan's TALAS opening and the best one was the 1985 show with Exodus (Bonded By Blood tour) opening. 

 
jdoggydogg said:
When I was a 17 year old in 1984, I saw Yngwie Malmsteen live and my life was never the same. I'd never seen anyone play that fast. In the modern YouTube era, 13 year olds can learn to shred for free. The mysticism of shredding has vanished, and so has the novelty. I'm good with ending guitar solos in metal.
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Not even just shredding.  I know 0 about guitar, so I might not be stating this correctly.  I was poking around watching drumming videos of covers.  I used to drum a little bit, so I still very much focus on that.   Anyway, I was poking around and looking up lists of the hardest drum songs to play.  Of course Tool and DT were up there with lots of talk about polyrhythms and lots of time signatures.   I listen to a Tool song and even though it's complex, it still flows together.  I listen to DT, and like I said, it just sounds like wankery and a bit "look at us".   I don't throw the word around much, but pretentious does come to mind when I try to listen to DT.  Talented as all get out though.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Not even just shredding.  I know 0 about guitar, so I might not be stating this correctly.  I was poking around watching drumming videos of covers.  I used to drum a little bit, so I still very much focus on that.   Anyway, I was poking around and looking up lists of the hardest drum songs to play.  Of course Tool and DT were up there with lots of talk about polyrhythms and lots of time signatures.   I listen to a Tool song and even though it's complex, it still flows together.  I listen to DT, and like I said, it just sounds like wankery and a bit "look at us".   I don't throw the word around much, but pretentious does come to mind when I try to listen to DT.  Talented as all get out though.  
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Dream theater always bored me to tears.  

 
jdoggydogg said:
Exodus was ####ing epic in the 80s. I had no idea people could play the guitar that fast before that. 
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I'll never get enough Bonded by Blood.  Never gets old.  I loved the later Exodus stuff like Fabulous Disaster and Pleasures of the Flesh, but they don't hold up like Bonded does.  So, so good.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Not even just shredding.  I know 0 about guitar, so I might not be stating this correctly.  I was poking around watching drumming videos of covers.  I used to drum a little bit, so I still very much focus on that.   Anyway, I was poking around and looking up lists of the hardest drum songs to play.  Of course Tool and DT were up there with lots of talk about polyrhythms and lots of time signatures.   I listen to a Tool song and even though it's complex, it still flows together.  I listen to DT, and like I said, it just sounds like wankery and a bit "look at us".   I don't throw the word around much, but pretentious does come to mind when I try to listen to DT.  Talented as all get out though.  
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I feel like Tool tricks you into thinking you’re listening to a pretty straightforward rock/metal song until you pay attention to all the moving parts and then you’re left with your jaw on the floor wondering how they did it. This is coming from someone who isn’t really even a huge fan. 

 
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