Just for the record, he declared himself that, not me. I would never say something like that. He said he stole the self-declaration move from Onterrio; let's hope it works out better for Hack.While not the SOD (you shouldnt be allowed to declare a self SOD anyways), a very solid pick. I had given him a lot of thought, but Sam Crawford won out, and I didnt need another slugger here.OF Hack Wilson
Holder of the single-season RBI record.
4-time HR Champ.
Hall of Famer.
SOD.
In that case, I stand corrected.Just for the record, he declared himself that, not me. I would never say something like that. He said he stole the self-declaration move from Onterrio; let's hope it works out better for Hack.While not the SOD (you shouldnt be allowed to declare a self SOD anyways), a very solid pick. I had given him a lot of thought, but Sam Crawford won out, and I didnt need another slugger here.OF Hack Wilson
Holder of the single-season RBI record.
4-time HR Champ.
Hall of Famer.
SOD.
I'd have taken Meyers had you passed. Henke and Meyers are basically lefty-righty versions of each other.This is the guy I had all typed in, before switching to Myers. Was kinda hoping he might come back around. I really love his ERA and WHIP numbers. Very underrated closer IMO.I'll take:
14.09 RP Tom Henke
9.8 K/9 IP for his career. Over 30 saves six times. ERA under 3.00 for seven straight seasons (1987-93).
the HOF Monitor that baseball-reference uses has him exactly at 100 (and 100 or greater means likely HOF).that has him as the 140th best hitter. but he did have that one awesome year.Wilson's a great pick. He's been hovering on my list for awhile now but it's not like there's been a shortage of good, power hitting, right handed OF's in this draft. Good selection but he fits in with about 20 other players. The part that makes him cool is the RBI record.
Led the league in HR 4 times.Not that your point is wrong (it's not), just that I'll take a guy who, on three of his off years, leads the league in HR.but he did have that one awesome year.
well that makes me feel better that my short list is the same as another this point in the draft.I'd have taken Meyers had you passed. Henke and Meyers are basically lefty-righty versions of each other.This is the guy I had all typed in, before switching to Myers. Was kinda hoping he might come back around. I really love his ERA and WHIP numbers. Very underrated closer IMO.I'll take:
14.09 RP Tom Henke
9.8 K/9 IP for his career. Over 30 saves six times. ERA under 3.00 for seven straight seasons (1987-93).
Great name cred for this point in the draft too. Is he a starter for you? Only average defensively which I took into account when I chose Rice.Led the league in HR 4 times.Not that your point is wrong (it's not), just that I'll take a guy who, on three of his off years, leads the league in HR.but he did have that one awesome year.
I like the Wilson pick. Good value here for sure.Led the league in HR 4 times.Not that your point is wrong (it's not), just that I'll take a guy who, on three of his off years, leads the league in HR.but he did have that one awesome year.
awwwwwI sense a hug between Bogart and Harrier.
yeah, he was a good player. good name value here too. looking over his numbers, he's absolutely borderline HOF though at best. in fact, I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't get a sniff of the Hall today with those numbers.Led the league in HR 4 times.Not that your point is wrong (it's not), just that I'll take a guy who, on three of his off years, leads the league in HR.but he did have that one awesome year.
Yeah he's an average defender with great range...he'll start for me, and he, Chipper, and Bill Joyce will share 3B/OF. Or rather, he and Chipper will share OF and Chipper and Bill will share 3B. But there are a couple other guys that will certainly work into the regular lineup too, so that's just one part of it. But yeah, he'll start for me. I think defense is overrated, personally (unless it is as bad as ManRam). But I might be wrong.I also have one other huge strategy disagreement with, it appears, almost all of you. But we'll address that after everyone's gotten picked. Might be that I'm just the dumb one.Great name cred for this point in the draft too. Is he a starter for you? Only average defensively which I took into account when I chose Rice.Led the league in HR 4 times.Not that your point is wrong (it's not), just that I'll take a guy who, on three of his off years, leads the league in HR.but he did have that one awesome year.
Thank youI like the Wilson pick. Good value here for sure.Led the league in HR 4 times.Not that your point is wrong (it's not), just that I'll take a guy who, on three of his off years, leads the league in HR.but he did have that one awesome year.
Yeah, with as short of a career as he had--and these days, they tend to be rewarding much longer careers. But then again, longer careers are much, much more common these days than before, because of salaries, training, and sports medicine. So it's hard to say what would have been different. For his era, though, he was a sure HOFer. In fact, he is.looking over his numbers, he's absolutely borderline HOF though at best. in fact, I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't get a sniff of the Hall today with those numbers.
Defense is always an important aspect of the game, imo. Early on I was debating going speed pitching and defense, and took Schmidt with that in mind, but the draft value presented itself a bit different for me, and I went with the flow.That said, to have an outfield with a top 10 defensive CF and at least a top 10-15 corner outfielder, imo, gives great benefit, as does having a solid infield. While I think in this draft of greats an Ozzie Smith's offense may become too big a liability, when things are close to equal a great defensive player surely helps. You do not want to give extra outs to some of these lineups.I find it really interesting that people are putting so much emphasis on defense. That's the last thing I consider when doing this. Besides for CF in some of the big parks, I really don't see the fascination with it.
the sim takes defense into account..it's just like a regular game, with box scores, inning descriptions, etc. I wouldn't take a player just based on his defense (not yet at least), but if you have guys like Brooks or Clemente, or whomever, it certainly helps.I find it really interesting that people are putting so much emphasis on defense. That's the last thing I consider when doing this. Besides for CF in some of the big parks, I really don't see the fascination with it.
But all hits will be for pivotal game winning home runs. :metsANDoriolesfanhasseentoomuch:Ugh.
I'll take Armando Benitez. Very dominant numbers even with him being run out of NY (for no good reason, IMO). He's gonna be tough as hell to hit.
yeah, I thought about him last round actually. good pick.Ugh.
I'll take Armando Benitez. Very dominant numbers even with him being run out of NY (for no good reason, IMO). He's gonna be tough as hell to hit.
I'll take my chances.But all hits will be for pivotal game winning home runs. :metsANDoriolesfanhasseentoomuch:Ugh.
I'll take Armando Benitez. Very dominant numbers even with him being run out of NY (for no good reason, IMO). He's gonna be tough as hell to hit.
Curious to see how dominating he is in the sim. His numbers and regular season play are as good as anyone. But end of season/post season is a different story. I doubt the sim will take "choke factor" into effect, which would make Benitez perhaps a top 5 closer.I'll take my chances.But all hits will be for pivotal game winning home runs. :metsANDoriolesfanhasseentoomuch:Ugh.
I'll take Armando Benitez. Very dominant numbers even with him being run out of NY (for no good reason, IMO). He's gonna be tough as hell to hit.
I drafted with defense and speed in mind. With all of the HUGE parks selected out there. I really wanted an outfield that can go and get it (Henderson and Hamilton) and an infield that is top notch (Gold Glover Ripken is my "weak" link there).Also getting pitchers with super low ERAs and WHIPs has also been a priority. Wins are often the measure of how good a team offense you have around you, but WHIP and ERA is all about the pitcher's ability.Defense is always an important aspect of the game, imo. Early on I was debating going speed pitching and defense, and took Schmidt with that in mind, but the draft value presented itself a bit different for me, and I went with the flow.That said, to have an outfield with a top 10 defensive CF and at least a top 10-15 corner outfielder, imo, gives great benefit, as does having a solid infield. While I think in this draft of greats an Ozzie Smith's offense may become too big a liability, when things are close to equal a great defensive player surely helps. You do not want to give extra outs to some of these lineups.I find it really interesting that people are putting so much emphasis on defense. That's the last thing I consider when doing this. Besides for CF in some of the big parks, I really don't see the fascination with it.
I've taken it into consideration when drafting my OF's becasue CF and RF in Sportsman's Park is pretty large. I always like to have good MI defense but would have taken Alomar and Cronin where I took them regardless. And why not take it into account for your bench? It's part of what those guys are there for.the sim takes defense into account..it's just like a regular game, with box scores, inning descriptions, etc. I wouldn't take a player just based on his defense (not yet at least), but if you have guys like Brooks or Clemente, or whomever, it certainly helps.I find it really interesting that people are putting so much emphasis on defense. That's the last thing I consider when doing this. Besides for CF in some of the big parks, I really don't see the fascination with it.
Still reeling from that Cavs choke. :rotflmao: Funny story.. I'm listening to the Sports Junkies (local talk show with a buncha high school buddies basically doing a radio show, only they're all now close to 40) and they were talking about one of the guys on the show (who wasn't there at the time) who gambles a lot.. on anything. Anyway, they had Tim Legler as a guest on the show the other day and they were talking NBA spreads. Legler liked the Cavs to cover against the Kings, so this guy proceeds to bet this game big. Of course what happens.. the Cavs get shelled.I don't think Nipsey is online for a little while, which is good, because I'm working on a deadline here.
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excellent choice. Mr. Pickles had to be wanting him, since he doesn't have a CF. Wilson's OPS+ (which adjusts for ballpark and era) is the same as Ken Griffey Jr's. James has him as the 10th best CF of all-time, ahead of several CF picked earlier.OF Hack Wilson
Holder of the single-season RBI record.
4-time HR Champ.
Hall of Famer.
SOD.
Well, I did want him, but I don't think we're worrying about LF/CF/RF positions. More just taking an outfield.. but I could be wrong.excellent choice. Mr. Pickles had to be wanting him, since he doesn't have a CF. Wilson's OPS+ (which adjusts for ballpark and era) is the same as Ken Griffey Jr's. James has him as the 10th best CF of all-time, ahead of several CF picked earlier.OF Hack Wilson
Holder of the single-season RBI record.
4-time HR Champ.
Hall of Famer.
SOD.
thank youexcellent choice.OF Hack Wilson
I completely agree with this.I'll take Armando Benitez. Very dominant numbers even with him being run out of NY (for no good reason, IMO).
Betting the NBA when the players barely give a #### about the regular season is more risk than I'd care to take.Still reeling from that Cavs choke. :rotflmao: Funny story.. I'm listening to the Sports Junkies (local talk show with a buncha high school buddies basically doing a radio show, only they're all now close to 40) and they were talking about one of the guys on the show (who wasn't there at the time) who gambles a lot.. on anything. Anyway, they had Tim Legler as a guest on the show the other day and they were talking NBA spreads. Legler liked the Cavs to cover against the Kings, so this guy proceeds to bet this game big. Of course what happens.. the Cavs get shelled.I don't think Nipsey is online for a little while, which is good, because I'm working on a deadline here.
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Apparently Legler gave his thoughts on a few games and didn't fare too well. Never trust an NBA guy to give you insight. Oh, and never trust me on hoops. I haven't watched consistently since the Jordan era.
That's the way I'm looking at it.More just taking an outfield.. but I could be wrong.
Not this round ... I thought he'd fall. However, he's one of those nice "long closers" that I remember from Vs. RBI Baseball.Definitely on the radar screen -- I was just pretty sure he'd last a while.Was anyone else looking at Radatz for this round? Curious.
No, that pick sucked ###. Wasn't even on my top 1000 players.Was anyone else looking at Radatz for this round? Curious.
j/k, had him on my short list of relievers........ I like it ALOT!!Yup, the closer run crashed the board.Well that sucked.....anyone else have trouble getting on the board?
This is shtick, no?Ugh.
I'll take Armando Benitez. Very dominant numbers even with him being run out of NY (for no good reason, IMO). He's gonna be tough as hell to hit.
I was close. He went catcher. Great pick!!! Almost took him instead of Fisk.14 220 Nipsey on the clock I've got $5 on the other Molina. Who wants in?
Pr#ck! He was my catcher Ace in the hole. I thought everyone else had a catcher so I was waiting and waiting(almost took him instead of Mattingly after Larry's third catcher comment). If he was a lefty I probably would have.SHUCKS!THURMAN MUNSON
After fewer than 100 minor league games, Thurman Munson became the Yankees' starting catcher in 1970. Munson immediately established his ability to handle veteran pitchers, but had a terrible start as a rookie. Manager Ralph Houk stuck with him, telling him that he could win more games with his catching then he ever could with his bat. Houk's faith in the young catcher was repayed when Munson had an outstanding defensive season and wound up hitting .302, capturing AL Rookie of the Year honors. Munson's power was hindered at first by Yankee Stadium's gigantic left field dimensions. The infamous "Death Valley". He did hit for average and usually batted second in his early years. An outstanding fielder, with the quickest release in baseball in throwing out basestealers, he was fearless behind the plate.
During the Yankees' rebuilding years, Thurman and Bobby Murcer were the stars around whom the team was constructed, and they were close. When Murcer was traded in 1975 for Bobby Bonds, Thurman became the true star of the team.
During the Yankees' mini-dynasty of 1976-78 Munson was at his peak. The Yankees went from a mediocre team to back-to-back World Championships and Munson rivaled Johnny Bench as the best catcher in baseball. On and off the field, he was the leader of the team. On the field, he piled up his career-best offensive statistics (even a surprising 14 stolen bases in 1976). He hit over .300 with 100 or more RBI three years in a row (1975-77), won the MVP Award in 1976, and hit .529 in the 1976 WS and .320 in the 1977 and 1978 WS. He was also a six time all-star. Catfish Hunter credits Thurman for his late-season come-back during the Yankees' 1978 pennant run.
He died in a plane crash at age thirty-two.
Thanks. Debated him last round...glad he slipped back to me. Plus, playing in Yankee stadium he'll be a fan favorite...I was close. He went catcher. Great pick!!! Almost took him instead of Fisk.14 220 Nipsey on the clock I've got $5 on the other Molina. Who wants in?