It wasn't a lot better, but it was better. Higher OBP, better speed, better defense (in Aaron's defense, he was getting old then.)The point is, when that many guys were playing better than you during your career, you can't claim the sort of brilliance that justifies a 1st round pick. Clearly he had a great career, and clearly he's an important player. But it's a lot more due to his longevity than his greatness at any point.I would've preferred that we didn't name undrafted players, but they'll all be taken anyways.The thing is, you're clearly missing the point here. Just because other players had great individual seasons doesn't mean Aaron's accomplishments weren't great as well. His '71 was outstanding. So was his '62 and '63 season. And what made it all EVEN BETTER was the fact that he did for almost 20 seasons straight. You're building an argument with no base..hey these players had great seasons, so Hank's wasn't great on it's own.
And you're argument is weak at best. How much better was Duke Snider's '55 season than Hank's?
Hank in '71-47-118-327 BA-410 OBP-669 slg
Duke in '55 - 42-136-309 BA-418 OBP-628 slg
What am I missing? So Duke was great in '55, but Hank wasn't in '71?
WTF?
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Mr. Pickles
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Capella
Footballguy
Oh, I think he had a great career. A notable and important one. All I was saying is that during his career, he was never a standout GREAT player. The fact he was able to be very very good for so long is outstanding. But when guys like Norm Cash have better years than any in your career--and in the era that you're playing--you're a lot of a a steady star than a brilliantly shining one.So what exactly is your definition of greatness? One "Great" season or one Great Career? IMHO he had the former many times and the later as well.
so you're going to compare norm cash to hank aaron off of one good year..while aaron ran off 19 straight? want to throw in brady anderson's stats as well?I somewhat see where you're coming from..Aaron never hit 61 in a season..but you don't find eight 40-homer seasons and another seven 30-homer seasons mind-blowingly good? that's 15 years right there..that's stupid.
yeah, so he never put up Bonds in '01 numbers..but who has? most of the people you tossed out there put up slightly better (if that) numbers than Aaron ever did in one year..then Hank went out there and did it again, year after year after year.
Capella
Footballguy
LOOK AT HIS LONGETIVITY THOUGH!!argh..it's not like he was holding on for dear life..in '73 the man was damn near 40 years old and slammed 40 homers, had over a .400 OBP and a .643 slugging...he was second in the league in slugging at age 39!!!It wasn't a lot better, but it was better. Higher OBP, better speed, better defense (in Aaron's defense, he was getting old then.)The point is, when that many guys were playing better than you during your career, you can't claim the sort of brilliance that justifies a 1st round pick. Clearly he had a great career, and clearly he's an important player. But it's a lot more due to his longevity than his greatness at any point.I would've preferred that we didn't name undrafted players, but they'll all be taken anyways.The thing is, you're clearly missing the point here. Just because other players had great individual seasons doesn't mean Aaron's accomplishments weren't great as well. His '71 was outstanding. So was his '62 and '63 season. And what made it all EVEN BETTER was the fact that he did for almost 20 seasons straight. You're building an argument with no base..hey these players had great seasons, so Hank's wasn't great on it's own.
And you're argument is weak at best. How much better was Duke Snider's '55 season than Hank's?
Hank in '71-47-118-327 BA-410 OBP-669 slg
Duke in '55 - 42-136-309 BA-418 OBP-628 slg
What am I missing? So Duke was great in '55, but Hank wasn't in '71?
WTF?
I'm not comparing the overall career of Norm Cash to the overall career of Hank Aaron, and you would have to be pretty intentionally ignoring what I'm saying to think that. It would help if you would respond to what I actually said, rather than the slightly more ridiculous argument you wish I'd made.What I'm saying is, every player who was truly GREAT at some point in their otherwise great career has at least one season better than the Norm Cashes of their era. Sure, Brady Anderson had a great year--but do the GREAT players of his era have at least one season better than that? Absolutely. It's a good test of whether someone truly had brilliance in their career or not--whether they had a season to top the one-year wonders of their eras.Oh, I think he had a great career. A notable and important one. All I was saying is that during his career, he was never a standout GREAT player. The fact he was able to be very very good for so long is outstanding. But when guys like Norm Cash have better years than any in your career--and in the era that you're playing--you're a lot of a a steady star than a brilliantly shining one.
I somewhat see where you're coming from..Aaron never hit 61 in a season..but you don't find eight 40-homer seasons and another seven 30-homer seasons mind-blowingly good? that's 15 years right there..that's stupid.
yeah, so he never put up Bonds in '01 numbers..but who has? most of the people you tossed out there put up slightly better (if that) numbers than Aaron ever did in one year..then Hank went out there and did it again, year after year after year.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
eh.. big whoop. gerhig was dead at 38. top that.LOOK AT HIS LONGETIVITY THOUGH!!argh..it's not like he was holding on for dear life..in '73 the man was damn near 40 years old and slammed 40 homers, had over a .400 OBP and a .643 slugging...he was second in the league in slugging at age 39!!!It wasn't a lot better, but it was better. Higher OBP, better speed, better defense (in Aaron's defense, he was getting old then.)The point is, when that many guys were playing better than you during your career, you can't claim the sort of brilliance that justifies a 1st round pick. Clearly he had a great career, and clearly he's an important player. But it's a lot more due to his longevity than his greatness at any point.I would've preferred that we didn't name undrafted players, but they'll all be taken anyways.The thing is, you're clearly missing the point here. Just because other players had great individual seasons doesn't mean Aaron's accomplishments weren't great as well. His '71 was outstanding. So was his '62 and '63 season. And what made it all EVEN BETTER was the fact that he did for almost 20 seasons straight. You're building an argument with no base..hey these players had great seasons, so Hank's wasn't great on it's own.
And you're argument is weak at best. How much better was Duke Snider's '55 season than Hank's?
Hank in '71-47-118-327 BA-410 OBP-669 slg
Duke in '55 - 42-136-309 BA-418 OBP-628 slg
What am I missing? So Duke was great in '55, but Hank wasn't in '71?
WTF?
What do you mean, look at his longevity? I've mentioned it a few times, and used such words as "outstanding" and "great" to describe the length of time that he endured as a very good player.Again, I think Hank had a great career. But at no time during his career was he the Best, MOST Brilliant star around. To deserve a first round pick, in my opinion, you have to be both great at one time, and great over time. Hank was only one of those two.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Only because Odalis is like 1000 times better than some shylock named "Cy."
Capella
Footballguy
..and then you brought up guys like Norm Cash, who had one great year, and I picked one season of Hank's and showed how it was just as good.Only then, Hank did it another 10 times.
I don't get your point, and that's fine. I guess you think every first-rounder needs to have a Bonds in '01 or Ruth in '20 season..and I disagree. And on top of that, Aaron had plenty of monster seasons to choose from.
Capella
Footballguy
Hank Aaron's 1959 season .355 BA (led league).401 OBP (2nd).636 Slg (1st)1.037 OPS (1st)3rd in homers, 3rd in ribbies, 1st in total bases, 1st in hits, 1st in extra-base hits, gold glove.but as you say..
I can't wait to hear the retort to this.
what the #### more does the man have to do?
I can't wait to hear the retort to this.
Nipsey
Footballguy
Who's next?1. Gehrig (Gehrig)2. Bonds (for "future" unnamed disease)3. Dravecky (arm cancer)4. Kruk (testicular cancer)5. Magic (HIV/homosexuality)6.7.8.:rotflmao: I'm sure Bonds has to end up with something. I'll take him.Who would you take in the people with diseases draft? I took Gehrig #1 overall. ()
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Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
John "Uniball" Kruk still available?
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
link to rules?
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
lmao at "Gerhig - Gerhig"
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
this isn't funny.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
i really want to play, but you're making this difficult.
Mickey Mantle
CF/OF
I'll be out for a nice chunk of this morning. Will try to get Cappy a short list for my rd. 2 pick before I go. Thanks for the pm Spartans,
those really help when you're just checking in and don't know if you're up or not. An updated roster thread wouldn't hurt either.
edited to add I'll also try to find some good links for the Mick later for Cappy. The link up there is just to his baseballreference page.
Cappy has my list. If my list gets taken (I doubt this) I'll be in to pick in the relatively early afternoon.
CF/OF
I'll be out for a nice chunk of this morning. Will try to get Cappy a short list for my rd. 2 pick before I go. Thanks for the pm Spartans,
those really help when you're just checking in and don't know if you're up or not. An updated roster thread wouldn't hurt either.edited to add I'll also try to find some good links for the Mick later for Cappy. The link up there is just to his baseballreference page.
Cappy has my list. If my list gets taken (I doubt this) I'll be in to pick in the relatively early afternoon.
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Funkley
Collar: Up
I should mention now that Ty Cobb will be the Team Funkley/Higgins United Way representative and will also teach our diversity class. 
Won the Triple Crown in 1909 and won the AL MVP in 1911. An 11 time batting champion and finished with the all time career batting average mark of .366. He also lead the league in slugging percentage 8 times. And if the simulation allows for it Cobb will be sliding into bases spikes up.A complete ### and he will not be popular in the clubhouse but dominant on the field. A STEAL were we picked him but he's no Lefty Grove....... :rotflmao:
Won the Triple Crown in 1909 and won the AL MVP in 1911. An 11 time batting champion and finished with the all time career batting average mark of .366. He also lead the league in slugging percentage 8 times. And if the simulation allows for it Cobb will be sliding into bases spikes up.A complete ### and he will not be popular in the clubhouse but dominant on the field. A STEAL were we picked him but he's no Lefty Grove....... :rotflmao:
Sammy3469
Footballguy
For those that don't want to read through 10 pages of classic Nipsey
MLB PLAYER DRAFT
ROUND ONE
1) pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson
2) Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax
3) lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth
4) Capella -- OF Willie Mays
5) Nipsey -- P CY Young
6) Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams
7) Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig
8) Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds
9) Doug B -- OF Stan Musial
10) bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby
11) Koya -- P Lefty Grove
12) funkley -- OF Ty Cobb
13) Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron
14) UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle
15) Spartans -- ON THE CLOCK
16) Larryboy --
MLB PLAYER DRAFT
ROUND ONE
1) pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson
2) Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax
3) lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth
4) Capella -- OF Willie Mays
5) Nipsey -- P CY Young
6) Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams
7) Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig
8) Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds
9) Doug B -- OF Stan Musial
10) bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby
11) Koya -- P Lefty Grove
12) funkley -- OF Ty Cobb
13) Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron
14) UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle
15) Spartans -- ON THE CLOCK
16) Larryboy --
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Damnit, why couldn't you have posted this two minutes earlier?!?!?Thanks by the way!
