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The only issue is that it causes problems with being at all reasonable in the sim, because you can take a guy who pitched 700 innings and just throw him every other day. It really doesn't tell you anything valuable about the team or allow you to put together a full rotation. People may choose to do this, but I won't, and I'll certainly look down on those that do.
I will too...but w/ an all-time pitching staff it really won't help much (if at all). If you actually had to squeeze a staff together under their cap having all those innings is great. We don't have to do that.edited to add salary really doesn't = production....they are related (good players do have high salaries) but not directly. You pay for innings because in a standard league they are worth a lot. You pay for HR's cuz they want to make you pay for HR's...a lot of other things can be had on the relative cheap.
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oso diablo
Footballguy
i'll never learn; the bait is so tastyHas to be
I will too...but w/ an all-time pitching staff it really won't help much (if at all). If you actually had to squeeze a staff together under their cap having all those innings is great. We don't have to do that.edited to add salary really doesn't = production....they are related (good players do have high salaries) but not directly. You pay for innings because in a standard league they are worth a lot. You pay for HR's cuz they want to make you pay for HR's...a lot of other things can be had on the relative cheap. This is just to try to help. I realize I might post a little too much (pretty quiet in person...on a cpu all you have is words...). This is really how I think it is...again, the reason some of this is frustrating (and I'm sorry if I offended anybody) is because most of this stuff will proboably just take care of itself.this was in respone to some of the salary issues...particularly w/ old time pitchers.
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Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Sure it would help.It's like getting an extra pick for free. Sure, a deadballer may not be more effective than any other stud available for the sim. But if he's equal, and he pitches twice as often, that's one less pick you have to spend on a pitcher. And if you wait because no one is taking them, you could draft 8 stud hitters and have the best offense, then pull 2 or 3 deadballers out and have a very good pitching staff to go with it.Of course it's a little late for me to pull that strategy off in its entirety, but it could still give me a small advantage.
I'd go for it then if that's how you want to build your team. More power to you. You won't hear me complain. It's a viable strategy under the rules (will proboably cost you in the vote, is debateable how much it'll help you in the sim....but if you like the strategy I say great).
Updated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- SP CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.8 Harrier -- SP Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown3.9 Doug B -- 3B George Brett3.10 bogart -- OF Billy Hamilton3.11 Koya -- SP Tom Seaver3.12 funkley -- 3B Harmon Killebrew3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson3.14 UCONN -- 2B Jackie Robinson3.15 Spartans -- SP Hal Newhouser3.16 LarryBoy -- 1B Frank Thomas4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.02 Spartans -- OF Carl Yastrzemski4.03 UCONN -- SS Arky Vaughan4.04 Kraft -- 1B George Sisler4.05 Funkley -- SP Juan Marichal4.06 Koya -- OF Ken Griffey Jr.4.07 Bogart -- C Mickey Cochrane4.08 Doug B -- OF Tim Raines4.09 Harrier -- C Mike Piazza4.10 Pickles -- C Yogi Berra4.11 Sammy -- 2B Rod Carew4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg4.13 Capella -- OF Roberto Clemente4.14 Lastresort -- 3B Wade Boggs4.15 Spock -- 2B Frankie Frisch4.16 Pumpnick -- OF Duke Snider5.1 pumpnick -- SP Carl Hubbell5.2 Spock -- OF Tony Gwynn5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons 5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford5.8 Harrier -- SP Ed Walsh5.9 Doug B -- 1B Eddie Murray5.10 bogart 5.11 Koya 5.12 funkley5.13 Kraft5.14 UCONN5.15 Spartans5.16 LarryBoy Is this current. I'm 6 picks away and will be trying to get Cappy a list of 6 for my next pick. I'll be gone for a nice chunk of the am and early afternoon tomm. If it gets back to my turn pick I'll be around in the mid to later afternoon.
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oso diablo
Footballguy
A Koufaxian peak, but it came primarily in 44/45, when many of the game's best hitters were off doing something else. Although he did continue to pitch very well for a few years thereafter. While he's a bona fide HOFer, is he really a better lefty than, say, Carl Hubbell?
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
I don't want to dig thru this thread. Please tell me this pick was ridiculed mercilessly.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
eh.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
Hey, Eddie Guardado is still available.Minneapolis closer?I have some bad news....Mr. Mapquest said it's 813.22 miles....looks like more pitching is in the works
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
I'll bet you a dollar you would rather have someone over 18 giving you props.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
"Ouch."props are props
Sammy3469
Footballguy
The ipick of Delahanty fits more in with the overall direction of my team. I wanted a bona fide #2 hitter and got him. I personally think he's a value pick here if for no other reason than the story of how he died, but I'll get back to that.
For those that don't know about him, he was an outfielder in the 1890's -1900s who played for Philly. Here's a pages to his stats. He ranks fifth all time in batting average at .346. He had a career .411 OBP and a lifetime slugging percentage of .505. His best season was 1896 when he led the league in slugging, doubles, HRs, and RBIs. Other great seasons include 98 when he led the league in SBs with 58, and 99 when he led the league in BA.
In all he'll fit perfectly in the 2 slot in a potential order that will look like this:
Carew
Delahanty
Mathews
Williams
Banks.
I still need another OF and a 1B. Have fun getting through that line-up boys.
More importantly though is probably Delahanty's death. While taking a train from Detroit to New York, he supposedly got drunk and disorderly. He was kicked from the train. Apparently he fell through a drawbridge at some point, was swept up in the river and fell over Niagra Falls to his death. Apparently he was always in debt and "in the tank". For more info see here
For those that don't know about him, he was an outfielder in the 1890's -1900s who played for Philly. Here's a pages to his stats. He ranks fifth all time in batting average at .346. He had a career .411 OBP and a lifetime slugging percentage of .505. His best season was 1896 when he led the league in slugging, doubles, HRs, and RBIs. Other great seasons include 98 when he led the league in SBs with 58, and 99 when he led the league in BA.
In all he'll fit perfectly in the 2 slot in a potential order that will look like this:
Carew
Delahanty
Mathews
Williams
Banks.
I still need another OF and a 1B. Have fun getting through that line-up boys.
More importantly though is probably Delahanty's death. While taking a train from Detroit to New York, he supposedly got drunk and disorderly. He was kicked from the train. Apparently he fell through a drawbridge at some point, was swept up in the river and fell over Niagra Falls to his death. Apparently he was always in debt and "in the tank". For more info see here
never knew that.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
Not a bad lineup, but is it as good as this?2B Eddie Collins3B Wade BoggsOF Babe Ruth1B Mark McGwireOF Al SimmonsRuth and McGwire alone make this lineup scary. Having two accomplished hitters like Collins and Boggs ahead of them = mucho RBI opportunities.
oso diablo
Footballguy
This probably belongs in a separate thread, but i thought it would be interesting to compare a team of Negro League all-timers. None of these guys is eligible for the ongoing MLB draft. All quotes are taken from the Bill James Historical Abstract.
1. Josh Gibson, Catcher.
Probably the greatest catcher in baseball history, and the greatest RH power hitter of any position. James ranks him at the 9th best player of all-time.
2. Oscar Charleston, Centerfield.
Buck O'Neil: he was like Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth and Tris Speaker rolled into one.
KC sportswriter: was so fast he makes Cobb look like a runner with a handicap.
James: regarded by many knowledgeable people as the greatest baseball player who ever lived. James ranks him 4th all-time, behind Ruth, Wagner, and Mays.
3. Turkey Stearnes, Left Field.
Comparable to Ted Williams or Mel Ott. #25 all-time, between Frank Robinson & Rickey Henderson.
4. Pop Lloyd, Shortstop.
Connie Mack said that you could put Honus Wagner and Pop Lloyd in a bag, pull out whichever one and not go wrong either way. #27 all-time
5. Mule Suttles, LF/1B.
#43 all-time.
6. Smokey Joe Williams, Pitcher.
#52 all-time, between Koufax & Feller.
that's enough for now.
1. Josh Gibson, Catcher.
Probably the greatest catcher in baseball history, and the greatest RH power hitter of any position. James ranks him at the 9th best player of all-time.
2. Oscar Charleston, Centerfield.
Buck O'Neil: he was like Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth and Tris Speaker rolled into one.
KC sportswriter: was so fast he makes Cobb look like a runner with a handicap.
James: regarded by many knowledgeable people as the greatest baseball player who ever lived. James ranks him 4th all-time, behind Ruth, Wagner, and Mays.
3. Turkey Stearnes, Left Field.
Comparable to Ted Williams or Mel Ott. #25 all-time, between Frank Robinson & Rickey Henderson.
4. Pop Lloyd, Shortstop.
Connie Mack said that you could put Honus Wagner and Pop Lloyd in a bag, pull out whichever one and not go wrong either way. #27 all-time
5. Mule Suttles, LF/1B.
#43 all-time.
6. Smokey Joe Williams, Pitcher.
#52 all-time, between Koufax & Feller.
that's enough for now.
Kraft...
Footballguy
Can someone explain why he fell so far?Updated picks
ROUND ONE
1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson
1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax
1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth
1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays
1.5 Nipsey -- SP CY Young
1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams
1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig
1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds
1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial
1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby
1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove
1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb
1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron
1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle
1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner
1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson
2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens
2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez
2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker
2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio
2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx
2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt
2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson
2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn
2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander
2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson
2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews
2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan
2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose
2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins
2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan
2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie
3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux
3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton
3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire
3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson
3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson
3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks
3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott
3.8 Harrier -- SP Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown
3.9 Doug B -- 3B George Brett
3.10 bogart -- OF Billy Hamilton
3.11 Koya -- SP Tom Seaver
3.12 funkley -- 3B Harmon Killebrew
3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson
3.14 UCONN -- 2B Jackie Robinson
3.15 Spartans -- SP Hal Newhouser
3.16 LarryBoy -- 1B Frank Thomas
4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer
4.02 Spartans -- OF Carl Yastrzemski
4.03 UCONN -- SS Arky Vaughan
4.04 Kraft -- 1B George Sisler
4.05 Funkley -- SP Juan Marichal
4.06 Koya -- OF Ken Griffey Jr.
4.07 Bogart -- C Mickey Cochrane
4.08 Doug B -- OF Tim Raines
4.09 Harrier -- C Mike Piazza
4.10 Pickles -- C Yogi Berra
4.11 Sammy -- 2B Rod Carew
4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg
4.13 Capella -- OF Roberto Clemente
4.14 Lastresort -- 3B Wade Boggs
4.15 Spock -- 2B Frankie Frisch
4.16 Pumpnick -- OF Duke Snider
5.1 pumpnick -- SP Carl Hubbell
5.2 Spock -- OF Tony Gwynn
5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons
5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench
5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller
5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty
5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford
5.8 Harrier -- SP Ed Walsh
5.9 Doug B -- 1B Eddie Murray
5.10 bogart -- ON THE CLOCK
5.11 Koya
5.12 funkley
5.13 Kraft
5.14 UCONN
5.15 Spartans
5.16 LarryBoy
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
Let it go. In a league that is also going to have many of the best base stealers of all time, a catcher with an arm like Bench's behind the plate may be more important than the offense the catcher produces. It only helps that Bench can hold his own offensively with this crowd as well. He shouldn't have fallen that far, and he was second on my list behind Tony Gwynn. I actually had Bench ranked higher for the whatif sim than Gwynn because other teams are going to have to run the bases in my huge park to win, but figured Gwynn would get more FFA votes. If you've got a small home field park, then maybe Piazza is the better choice for half your games.
