***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (1 Viewer)

[Koya]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

That is a nice stat. But in no way owns anything. ERA, Winning Percentage.

How a manager may have used the pitchers, I really dont know. Would be interesting to research. Did you know both were near or at the top of Saves as well (Lefty and Cy Young). And I do not deny Cy Young to be an all time great. Personally, I could easily find 5 pitchers I would rather have on the mound in a series though.

Lefty was simply more dominating.

Here we go with the "one game" argument from Koya. Why not just draft Julio Santana and be done with it already. Or maybe take Dave Righetti (but only for that start he had that no-no)....C'mon, LeBron didn't work out and you still haven't learned the lesson?

Nips, if you are lookin for a fight you are fighting up the wrong tree. Lefty had almost a decade of the most dominating pitching ever. He was more dominating in his best 7 years than Young was in his best 7 years. That is a plenty long enough sample from which to judge the question at hand:Your team, my team. 7 game series. Who gonna win, who gonna win?

I would prefer Lefty. You would prefer Cy.

Hey, can not go wrong either way. But in this context, I truly believe Lefty is the choice (matchups etc. excluded. I have yet to memorize breakdown right vs. lefty in each park )

Throw all the numbers you want at me, but only one counts.Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.

Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

More wins, better percentage, in a longer career. Cy Young. And they even named an award after him.

Lefty is a nice pitcher, but to say you'd rather have him over Young is .

Nipsey, relying on straw man logic, red herrings, and choosing the only couple of stats that support your cause (I tried to throw out a balanced set of stats, including Youngs many more wins), go ahead.But your complete lack of objectivity does not help you convince anyone except yourself.

Keep it comin Nips! Im not fighting the uphill battle this time.

 

[Nipsey]

If Nipsey does not want to compare these guys on "one game" that is fine. I will do 7 games. or a season. or a 3 year span (back to back triple crowns anyone? oh yes, Lefty). or a 5 year span. or a 7 year span .

Ummmm, how about a career?

 

[lastresort66]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

That is a nice stat. But in no way owns anything. ERA, Winning Percentage.

How a manager may have used the pitchers, I really dont know. Would be interesting to research. Did you know both were near or at the top of Saves as well (Lefty and Cy Young). And I do not deny Cy Young to be an all time great. Personally, I could easily find 5 pitchers I would rather have on the mound in a series though.

Lefty was simply more dominating.

Here we go with the "one game" argument from Koya. Why not just draft Julio Santana and be done with it already. Or maybe take Dave Righetti (but only for that start he had that no-no)....C'mon, LeBron didn't work out and you still haven't learned the lesson?

Nips, if you are lookin for a fight you are fighting up the wrong tree. Lefty had almost a decade of the most dominating pitching ever. He was more dominating in his best 7 years than Young was in his best 7 years. That is a plenty long enough sample from which to judge the question at hand:Your team, my team. 7 game series. Who gonna win, who gonna win?

I would prefer Lefty. You would prefer Cy.

Hey, can not go wrong either way. But in this context, I truly believe Lefty is the choice (matchups etc. excluded. I have yet to memorize breakdown right vs. lefty in each park )

Throw all the numbers you want at me, but only one counts.Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.

Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

More wins, better percentage, in a longer career. Cy Young. And they even named an award after him.

Lefty is a nice pitcher, but to say you'd rather have him over Young is .

Ok, as a man with a PhD in the Bill James University of Win Share Knowledge, I'll settle this:Win Shares for Career:

Lefty Grove: 391 (36.94 per season, #1 all time)

Cy Young: 635 (32.63 per season, Top 15)

See? Grove was better. Even better than Koufax (194 win shares; 31.85 per season).

 

[Nipsey]

But your complete lack of objectivity does not help you convince anyone except yourself.

I'm being completely objective and I'm not trying to "convince" anybody of anything. I'm just stating the facts. If Lefty was indeed the better pick, obviously I'd have taken him....

 

[Capella]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's. Who you starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch."

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: nipsey's being really funny in this draft, fyi

 

[Nipsey]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."

Someone might counter, depending on pitcher..."that history is all well and good, but we arent asking who will win the Cy Young. We want to know who will win the game. We all know that my picther was simply better, day by day, start by start, than Cy. Your history dont mean #### on the moudn. Now, how about one of those 316 losses. You know, the ones you compiled while LEADING the league in losses for one year, and being top 10 overall in losses 8 times. Thanks for the award though.. it helped me up my contract in Free Agency"

Just for Reference, Lefty was never in the top 10 for losses and was over .750 winning 7 times, above 700 8.

Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

That is a nice stat. But in no way owns anything. ERA, Winning Percentage.

How a manager may have used the pitchers, I really dont know. Would be interesting to research. Did you know both were near or at the top of Saves as well (Lefty and Cy Young). And I do not deny Cy Young to be an all time great. Personally, I could easily find 5 pitchers I would rather have on the mound in a series though.

Lefty was simply more dominating.

Here we go with the "one game" argument from Koya. Why not just draft Julio Santana and be done with it already. Or maybe take Dave Righetti (but only for that start he had that no-no)....C'mon, LeBron didn't work out and you still haven't learned the lesson?

Nips, if you are lookin for a fight you are fighting up the wrong tree. Lefty had almost a decade of the most dominating pitching ever. He was more dominating in his best 7 years than Young was in his best 7 years. That is a plenty long enough sample from which to judge the question at hand:Your team, my team. 7 game series. Who gonna win, who gonna win?

I would prefer Lefty. You would prefer Cy.

Hey, can not go wrong either way. But in this context, I truly believe Lefty is the choice (matchups etc. excluded. I have yet to memorize breakdown right vs. lefty in each park )

Throw all the numbers you want at me, but only one counts.Grove had 300 wins in 616 games.

Young had 511 wins in 906 games.

More wins, better percentage, in a longer career. Cy Young. And they even named an award after him.

Lefty is a nice pitcher, but to say you'd rather have him over Young is .

Ok, as a man with a PhD in the Bill James University of Win Share Knowledge, I'll settle this:Win Shares for Career:

Lefty Grove: 391 (36.94 per season, #1 all time)

Cy Young: 635 (32.63 per season, Top 15)

See? Grove was better. Even better than Koufax (194 win shares; 31.85 per season).

Win Shares are a misleading stat and that's all I'm going to say about that.

 

[Nipsey]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's. Who you starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch."

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: nipsey's being really funny in this draft, fyi

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Finally some propers....

 

[UCONN]

Drafts aren't won in the first round. You both got a nice ace for your staff (actually all 4 teams that have gone pitcher so far have done this). One player has much less an effect on a baseball team's success than in basketball. It'll be interesting to see how the teams start coming together as this goes. My opinion is if you get a guy you like that has round 1 type ability in round 1 you really can't go wrong.

 

[Pumpnick]

I select Shea Stadium to complete the round.....don't have time for a write up because it's 5 cent wing night

 

[14379]

Drafts aren't won in the first round.

Ahem.*cough*

Barry Bonds with the eighth pick.

*cough*

Some drafts, it appears, are won in the first round.

 

[Koya]

Ok, as a man with a PhD in the Bill James University of Win Share Knowledge, I'll settle this:Win Shares for Career:Lefty Grove: 391 (36.94 per season, #1 all time)Cy Young: 635 (32.63 per season, Top 15)See? Grove was better. Even better than Koufax (194 win shares; 31.85 per season).

Man! I wish I saw that stat before... for some reason I thought only position players got win shares. Well, now I have NO qualms of taking Lefty over a position player I was considering. Now, imagine if they included his AMAZING "minor" league career... at a time where many played outside of MLB for more lucrative contracts. had grove not started in the majors after he was 25, then the "stats" might have been ridiculous. Grove actually has the HIGHEST winning percentage of any pitcher in professional baseball history, when you take into account his brilliant other league career with the Baltimore Orioles. He had 112 wins for the Orioles.. the highest paying team in any league at the time (in a league that often got stars to play because of their high pay scale). Not sure how this would translate to the MLBs... actually I do, since Lefty gave us a decade more in the official Majors.

 

[Koya]

Drafts aren't won in the first round.

Ahem.*cough*

Barry Bonds with the eighth pick.

*cough*

Some drafts, it appears, are won in the first round.

Some drafts are LOST in the steroid. I mean first round.

(couldnt resist)

 

[Koya]

"I'm starting ##### #######, he's won two Cy Young's.  Who you starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch."

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: nipsey's being really funny in this draft, fyi

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Finally some propers....

buddies again, eh?:glare:

 

[UCONN]

Bonds was in my top 5. He was a very good pick where he went imo.

 

[Koya]

Win Shares are a misleading stat and that's all I'm going to say about that. LOL. Of course. Any stat that doesnt support Nipseys cause or way of thinking is a misleading stat. What about adjusted ERA - for both era and park. Hard to argue with that. Even if you will argue with winning percentage, era, win shares, and the commentary of most "experts" that know more than all of us combined who think, as consensus, that Lefty was the more dominating pitcher than Youg.Oh Nips. You are a stubborn one.

 

[lastresort66]

Drafts aren't won in the first round.

Ahem.*cough*

Barry Bonds with the eighth pick.

*cough*

Some drafts, it appears, are won in the first round.

Hold on....gonna sneeze here.....AH.....AHHH.....AAAAAAAAA......

BABE RUTH!!!!!

Phew, that's better.

 

[Koya]

Bonds was in my top 5. He was a very good pick where he went imo.

Bonds was a very good pick. Although perhaps unfair, I am sure some will not give Bonds props - be it for the roids, the era or the attitude.

 

[Nipsey]

What about adjusted ERA - for both era and park. Hard to argue with that. Even if you will argue with winning percentage, era, win shares, and the commentary of most "experts" that know more than all of us combined who think, as consensus, that Lefty was the more dominating pitcher than Youg.Oh Nips. You are a stubborn one.

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

 

[UCONN]

Bonds was in my top 5. He was a very good pick where he went imo.

Bonds was a very good pick. Although perhaps unfair, I am sure some will not give Bonds props - be it for the roids, the era or the attitude.

I'm glad I didn't pick him cuz I wouldn't want to argue it. If anybody actually thinks "performance enhancers" aren't commonplace in modern athletics...well, I dunno. He is DOMINATING his era. Say all you want about juiced balls or parks or whatever....he's putting up just sick numbers compared to everybody else. Excluding pitchers I think he'll end up right there w/ Ruth and Mays in most people's all-time list.

 

[UCONN]

What about adjusted ERA - for both era and park. Hard to argue with that. Even if you will argue with winning percentage, era, win shares, and the commentary of most "experts" that know more than all of us combined who think, as consensus, that Lefty was the more dominating pitcher than Youg.Oh Nips. You are a stubborn one.

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

If anybody tries to argue the guy they named the pitcher's MVP after wouldn't get it done in this thing I think you'll have plenty of ammunition Nipsey.

 

[Nipsey]

Bonds was in my top 5. He was a very good pick where he went imo.

Bonds is the player for the sim part, not the guy for the vote part....."The voters may be able to forgive, but they will never forget..."

 

[Koya]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too. I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound. Cy is better in the history books. The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format. And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

 

[Nipsey]

What about adjusted ERA - for both era and park.  Hard to argue with that.  Even if you will argue with winning percentage, era, win shares, and the commentary of most "experts" that know more than all of us combined who think, as consensus, that Lefty was the more dominating pitcher than Youg.Oh Nips.  You are a stubborn one.

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

If anybody tries to argue the guy they named the pitcher's MVP after wouldn't get it done in this thing I think you'll have plenty of ammunition Nipsey.

Do I sound scared or something?

 

[UCONN]

Bonds was in my top 5. He was a very good pick where he went imo.

Bonds is the player for the sim part, not the guy for the vote part....."The voters may be able to forgive, but they will never forget..."

I'm glad I don't have to argue it. I don't knock him down at all for using what he uses. He's not doing anything everybody else isn't....only difference is he's doing things at the plate nobody ever has or is.

 

[Koya]

Bonds was in my top 5. He was a very good pick where he went imo.

Bonds is the player for the sim part, not the guy for the vote part....."The voters may be able to forgive, but they will never forget..."

I will be curious to see how Bonds plays out against great older pitching, or just great pitching in general. Will he be on par with a Ruth in the sim, or will he not?Guess we will find out.

 

[Koya]

Bonds was in my top 5.  He was a very good pick where he went imo.

Bonds is the player for the sim part, not the guy for the vote part....."The voters may be able to forgive, but they will never forget..."

I'm glad I don't have to argue it. I don't knock him down at all for using what he uses. He's not doing anything everybody else isn't....only difference is he's doing things at the plate nobody ever has or is.

He has been unreal.Simply unreal.

I saw #703 live. Man its cold there.

 

[lastresort66]

Good, now that the Nipsey/Koya War is over, let's move on with the draft!

 

[Nipsey]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too. I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound. Cy is better in the history books. The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format. And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

"Koya's playing Nipsey today, who's Koya starting?""Lefty Grove.""Wow, he's good. Probably would've won a handful of Cy Young's if the award was available while he was playing. Who's Nipsey starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch." That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

 

[Koya]

What about adjusted ERA - for both era and park.  Hard to argue with that.  Even if you will argue with winning percentage, era, win shares, and the commentary of most "experts" that know more than all of us combined who think, as consensus, that Lefty was the more dominating pitcher than Youg.Oh Nips.  You are a stubborn one.

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

If anybody tries to argue the guy they named the pitcher's MVP after wouldn't get it done in this thing I think you'll have plenty of ammunition Nipsey.

Do I sound scared or something?

But no one is arguing. we are dissecting the hairs of uber great vs. slightly better uber great.Walter Johnson isnt named Cy Young either. He was a better pitcher though. Does not mean Cy Young was not great. He may VERY well (and probably did) have the greatest CAREER EVER. Just may not have been AS good as some other all time greats over the span of say 3, 5, 7, 10 years.

 

[Nipsey]

What about adjusted ERA - for both era and park.  Hard to argue with that.  Even if you will argue with winning percentage, era, win shares, and the commentary of most "experts" that know more than all of us combined who think, as consensus, that Lefty was the more dominating pitcher than Youg.Oh Nips.  You are a stubborn one.

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

If anybody tries to argue the guy they named the pitcher's MVP after wouldn't get it done in this thing I think you'll have plenty of ammunition Nipsey.

Do I sound scared or something?

But no one is arguing. we are dissecting the hairs of uber great vs. slightly better uber great.Walter Johnson isnt named Cy Young either. He was a better pitcher though. Does not mean Cy Young was not great. He may VERY well (and probably did) have the greatest CAREER EVER. Just may not have been AS good as some other all time greats over the span of say 3, 5, 7, 10 years.

Here we go again w/ the Sleepy Floyd bull####.....

 

[lastresort66]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one?  I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too. I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound. Cy is better in the history books. The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format. And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

"Koya's playing Nipsey today, who's Koya starting?""Lefty Grove.""Wow, he's good. Probably would've won a handful of Cy Young's if the award was available while he was playing. Who's Nipsey starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch." That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

This isn't gonna end good.

 

[Koya]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one?  I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too. I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound. Cy is better in the history books. The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format. And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

"Koya's playing Nipsey today, who's Koya starting?""Lefty Grove.""Wow, he's good. Probably would've won a handful of Cy Young's if the award was available while he was playing. Who's Nipsey starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch." That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

Nipsey. You really think because the award was named after him, after his career was over, that he is by definition the best pitcher ever? One of the yes, but the best? At this point, once again, you use spurrious knowledge. Sometimes people get frustrated when their legitimate points are countered by straw man tactics, or red herrings.Yes, Young was great.he was by far the best picther up through his time. That is why they named the award after him.. and he deserved it.But that doesnt disqualify Walter Johnson, Lefty Grove (and two others I can think of) that were at least arguably (some might say it wouldnt even be arguable) better than Cy.

 

[UCONN]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one?  I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too. I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound. Cy is better in the history books. The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format. And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

"Koya's playing Nipsey today, who's Koya starting?""Lefty Grove.""Wow, he's good. Probably would've won a handful of Cy Young's if the award was available while he was playing. Who's Nipsey starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch." That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

This isn't gonna end good.

I'm assuming you stayed out of the basketball thread....

 

[lastresort66]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one?  I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too. I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound. Cy is better in the history books. The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format. And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

"Koya's playing Nipsey today, who's Koya starting?""Lefty Grove.""Wow, he's good. Probably would've won a handful of Cy Young's if the award was available while he was playing. Who's Nipsey starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch." That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

This isn't gonna end good.

I'm assuming you stayed out of the basketball thread....

You assume well.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

What about adjusted ERA - for both era and park. Hard to argue with that. Even if you will argue with winning percentage, era, win shares, and the commentary of most "experts" that know more than all of us combined who think, as consensus, that Lefty was the more dominating pitcher than Youg.Oh Nips. You are a stubborn one.

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

If anybody tries to argue the guy they named the pitcher's MVP after wouldn't get it done in this thing I think you'll have plenty of ammunition Nipsey.

Do I sound scared or something?

But no one is arguing. we are dissecting the hairs of uber great vs. slightly better uber great.Walter Johnson isnt named Cy Young either. He was a better pitcher though. Does not mean Cy Young was not great. He may VERY well (and probably did) have the greatest CAREER EVER. Just may not have been AS good as some other all time greats over the span of say 3, 5, 7, 10 years.

Here we go again w/ the Sleepy Floyd bull####.....

His name is Eric.

 

[Koya]

That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

This isn't gonna end good.

LoL. It will end fine.

Nipsey will never admit to a fault. I will point out false tactics. I will be stubborn in my defense, all the while calling Nipsey stubborn and we will all wait for the next pick.

Although again, when you need the owned signs and the two reptitive facts/stats/historical namings over and over, the overall picture speaks for itself!

Plus, NO way Cy could rip apart a stadium after a rough day better (worse) than Lefty. He was a legendary temper. SOMEONE gonna be rushing the mound, too.

 

[UCONN]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one?  I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too. I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound. Cy is better in the history books. The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format. And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

"Koya's playing Nipsey today, who's Koya starting?""Lefty Grove.""Wow, he's good. Probably would've won a handful of Cy Young's if the award was available while he was playing. Who's Nipsey starting?""Cy Young.""Ouch." That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

This isn't gonna end good.

I'm assuming you stayed out of the basketball thread....

You assume well.

if you think this is bad you made a very good decision then...

 

[Mr. Pickles]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one? I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too.

I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound.

Cy is better in the history books.

The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format.

And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

"Koya's playing Nipsey today, who's Koya starting?""Lefty Grove."

"Wow, he's good. Probably would've won a handful of Cy Young's if the award was available while he was playing. Who's Nipsey starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."



That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

Nipsey. You really think because the award was named after him, after his career was over, that he is by definition the best pitcher ever? One of the yes, but the best? At this point, once again, you use spurrious knowledge. Sometimes people get frustrated when their legitimate points are countered by straw man tactics, or red herrings.Yes, Young was great.

he was by far the best picther up through his time. That is why they named the award after him.. and he deserved it.

But that doesnt disqualify Walter Johnson, Lefty Grove (and two others I can think of) that were at least arguably (some might say it wouldnt even be arguable) better than Cy.

STOP BEING SO ####### GULLIBLE

 

[Koya]

By the way, the sleepy floyd reference lost me.Now, isnt there any other debate to be had? How about Koufax vs either of these guys! Now, 5 years maybe better than anyone... maybe fax found the juice late in his career too. I still LOVE W. Johnson #1 overall. That was a very smart pick baseball wise, but not taking the Babe might be a killer in the popular opinion forums. Personally, I would have taken Walter # or 4 overall, had I the chance.

 

[Koya]

You only tout your player and I'm the stubborn one?  I gave Lefty his props....

I have given much props to Cy. I tout plenny O' players too.

I do think Lefty is better than Cy though, on the mound.

Cy is better in the history books.

The debate here is Cy vs. Lefty - so again, it is somewhat of a straw man tactic to say I only tout my own player. You are touting Cy... you picked him first and obviously feel he is better than Lefty. Unless you think differently now. I picked Lefty, but do believe that he is better than Cy, as Cy would have been somewhere from #5-10 for me, pitching wise in this format.

And come on Nips.. .I can be stubborn, but you are definately a stubborn one. Do you disagree?

"Koya's playing Nipsey today, who's Koya starting?""Lefty Grove."

"Wow, he's good. Probably would've won a handful of Cy Young's if the award was available while he was playing. Who's Nipsey starting?"

"Cy Young."

"Ouch."



That stubborn enough for you mother ####er?

Nipsey. You really think because the award was named after him, after his career was over, that he is by definition the best pitcher ever? One of the yes, but the best? At this point, once again, you use spurrious knowledge. Sometimes people get frustrated when their legitimate points are countered by straw man tactics, or red herrings.Yes, Young was great.

he was by far the best picther up through his time. That is why they named the award after him.. and he deserved it.

But that doesnt disqualify Walter Johnson, Lefty Grove (and two others I can think of) that were at least arguably (some might say it wouldnt even be arguable) better than Cy.

STOP BEING SO ####### GULLIBLE

Never.Its too fun.

 

[Nipsey]

Although again, when you need the owned signs and the two reptitive facts/stats/historical namings over and over, the overall picture speaks for itself!

"Wow. Koya's got a nice team. Who's he playing?""Nipsey."I haven't seen his team. Any good?""I think so.""Whose staff has more Cy Young's?""Well, Nipsey has one for sure."

 

[Capella]

Although again, when you need the owned signs and the two reptitive facts/stats/historical namings over and over, the overall picture speaks for itself!

"Wow. Koya's got a nice team. Who's he playing?""Nipsey."I haven't seen his team. Any good?""I think so.""Whose staff has more Cy Young's?""Well, Nipsey has one for sure."

:rotflmao:

 

[Nipsey]

By the way, the sleepy floyd reference lost me.

You want to argue a players greatness over a tiny time span....Sleepy Floyd (Eric for Pickles) had one of the greatest second halfs of a game I ever saw in the playoffs back in the 80's. Bill Simmons wrote a column about it. We covered this in the NBA draft......I look at a player's entire career, you choose to look at snippets.

 

[Koya]

Although again, when you need the owned signs and the two reptitive facts/stats/historical namings over and over, the overall picture speaks for itself!

"Wow. Koya's got a nice team. Who's he playing?""Nipsey."I haven't seen his team. Any good?""I think so.""Whose staff has more Cy Young's?""Well, Nipsey has one for sure."

LoL. I cant resist. That was too funny.

 

[Koya]

By the way, the sleepy floyd reference lost me.

You want to argue a players greatness over a tiny time span....Sleepy Floyd (Eric for Pickles) had one of the greatest second halfs of a game I ever saw in the playoffs back in the 80's. Bill Simmons wrote a column about it. We covered this in the NBA draft......I look at a player's entire career, you choose to look at snippets.

Is a 7 consecutive year span - or a 9 year span even... a snippet?That is what I mean by straw man by the way. So the sleepy flloyd issue has nothing at all to do with the question at hand. One guy was great for 9 years. One for over 15. Is 9 years a snippet?Koufax must be a nanosnippet! Wait until I lobby to have one post '94 player so I can pick David Wright.

 

[Nipsey]

By the way, the sleepy floyd reference lost me.

You want to argue a players greatness over a tiny time span....Sleepy Floyd (Eric for Pickles) had one of the greatest second halfs of a game I ever saw in the playoffs back in the 80's. Bill Simmons wrote a column about it. We covered this in the NBA draft......I look at a player's entire career, you choose to look at snippets.

Is a 7 consecutive year span - or a 9 year span even... a snippet?That is what I mean by straw man by the way. So the sleepy flloyd issue has nothing at all to do with the question at hand. One guy was great for 9 years. One for over 15. Is 9 years a snippet?Koufax must be a nanosnippet! Wait until I lobby to have one post '94 player so I can pick David Wright.

Two pages ago you we're talking about three years. Bottom line is this, you'll argue a time frame that suits the best year(s) of your players, then give us the old "my guy wins this one game" argument. You never seem to want to look at the entire career.You sunk Capella and I in the NBA draft (even though I never really "officially" lost) because of that LeBron pick. I WILL NOT let you do it again.

 

[oso diablo]

You really think because the award was named after him, after his career was over, that he is by definition the best pitcher ever?

in the first HOF election in 1936, 5 players were selected for induction, including 2 pitchers. Cy Young was not one of them.The award was named for him in part due to sentiment, as Young had died the year before the award was inaugurated in 1956.

 

[Nipsey]

You really think because the award was named after him, after his career was over, that he is by definition the best pitcher ever?

in the first HOF election in 1936, 5 players were selected for induction, including 2 pitchers. Cy Young was not one of them.The award was named for him in part due to sentiment, as Young had died the year before the award was inaugurated in 1956.

Great, another draft with the official site peanut gallery. Remember I carried round one in spite of your efforts....won't work here either.

 

[14379]

You really think because the award was named after him, after his career was over, that he is by definition the best pitcher ever?

in the first HOF election in 1936, 5 players were selected for induction, including 2 pitchers. Cy Young was not one of them.The award was named for him in part due to sentiment, as Young had died the year before the award was inaugurated in 1956.

Who are you?

 

[Nipsey]

You really think because the award was named after him, after his career was over, that he is by definition the best pitcher ever?

in the first HOF election in 1936, 5 players were selected for induction, including 2 pitchers. Cy Young was not one of them.The award was named for him in part due to sentiment, as Young had died the year before the award was inaugurated in 1956.

Who are you?

He's the guy that won't sack up and actually participate in one of these drafts because he's afraid of being judged. He'll sit back and take pot shots from a safe distance at your team though. What a joy.....