***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[Mr. Pickles]

I just have the impression that Maddux is a 7 inning guy. This is not based on numbers or research, so perhaps my impressions are mistaken. The guy has a billion Cy Youngs.. no doubt he is awesome.

Yes, you are.The guy was incredibly efficient. He had plenty of complete games with under 100 pitches. I'm not sure why you had the impression he doesn't finish games. He has more complete games than Randy Johnson (105 to 92) and isn't far behind Clemens, who has 117.

 

[Koya]

Innings1988-249.0-41989-238.3-61990-237.0-21991-263.0-11992-268.0-11993-267.0-11994-202.0-11995-209.7-11996-245.0-21997-232.7-81998-251.0-31999-219.3-92000-249.3-22001-233.0-42003-218.3-62004-212.7-9Act-4181.3-2Car-4181.3-34Those are for Maddux.....year, innings pitched, rank.  Notice he lead the league 5 times in a row.

Is there any figure for average innings per start? Because your stats surely suggest I am mistaken... so I wonder why I have the impression that I do have. If he simply had more starts but less innings per start, maybe I have some basis for my (apparantly inccorect) conclusions.

You could just do the math, but I don't have like a leaderboard list for that stat...I'd say when you add in the leading in CG's thing proboably just means you just have that in your head for some reason that really aint accurate...maybe the games you've seen him pitch (I assume you don't make it a point to watch every Greg Maddux start) it's just ended up that way and stuck out in your head.

Perhaps the last 5 years have changed my opinion. Then again, maybe I am just flat wrong. It SO seems to me that Maddux is a 7 inning guy. Those numbers are hard to argue with, however. Especially in a hitters era where a pitcher is more likely to get knocked around

 

[UCONN]

Pedro - I do give him a break beacause Pitchers rarely are allowed to go the full nine anymore... however I never had the impression that he had the type of arm to pitch a whole ton of innings.  managers seem to use their pitchers delicately because of guys like Pedro.

Pedro did lead the league in complete games with 13 in his breakout season for Montreal in '97. Then he went to Boston where he had 15 over the next 3 years. Over the last 4 years, he's had 7.I think as he's had arm trouble, his managers have opted to play it safer and safer with him. I do think he's capable of going the distance more often than he does.

I wonder why I am thinking that Pedro and Maddux are such non workhorses when the numbers show different. I do give more props to Pedro in general, but both seem to have a lot of innings.

Maddux was an absolute workhorse in the middle of his career. I'm sure he lead the league in quality starts many a time and if he came out before the seventh it usually meant his team was down 1-0 or 2-1 and he got pinch hit for (and even that was rare cuz he has a great bat for a pitcher). He also lead the league in CG's multiple times so he finished more than his fair share.

 

[Koya]

I just have the impression that Maddux is a 7 inning guy. This is not based on numbers or research, so perhaps my impressions are mistaken. The guy has a billion Cy Youngs.. no doubt he is awesome.

Yes, you are.The guy was incredibly efficient. He had plenty of complete games with under 100 pitches. I'm not sure why you had the impression he doesn't finish games. He has more complete games than Randy Johnson (105 to 92) and isn't far behind Clemens, who has 117.

Guess I am just wrong then. Thanks for having the stats to show me. A good example of why a finesse pitcher might not get the props he deserves. Efficient is an understatement.

 

[UCONN]

I just have the impression that Maddux is a 7 inning guy. This is not based on numbers or research, so perhaps my impressions are mistaken. The guy has a billion Cy Youngs.. no doubt he is awesome.

Yes, you are.The guy was incredibly efficient. He had plenty of complete games with under 100 pitches. I'm not sure why you had the impression he doesn't finish games. He has more complete games than Randy Johnson (105 to 92) and isn't far behind Clemens, who has 117.

I seem to remember him finishing a game on something ridiculous like 70 pitches one time. Not sure on the exact number, but Maddux was the master at getting 0-0 or 0-1 weak ground outs. Or even getting you to chase that pitch that looked good on 2-0 or 3-1 but ended up out of your zone w/ late movement. He made you hit his pitch and you rarely hit it well. Sick movement as well. He never threw a ball straight. God I love that guy. Gold Glover and Silver Slugger as well.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Pedro - I do give him a break beacause Pitchers rarely are allowed to go the full nine anymore... however I never had the impression that he had the type of arm to pitch a whole ton of innings. managers seem to use their pitchers delicately because of guys like Pedro.

Pedro did lead the league in complete games with 13 in his breakout season for Montreal in '97. Then he went to Boston where he had 15 over the next 3 years. Over the last 4 years, he's had 7.I think as he's had arm trouble, his managers have opted to play it safer and safer with him. I do think he's capable of going the distance more often than he does.

I wonder why I am thinking that Pedro and Maddux are such non workhorses when the numbers show different. I do give more props to Pedro in general, but both seem to have a lot of innings.

Well, your impression of Pedro not being a workhorse is pretty accurate. He had 13 CGs in '97, but his career total is only 42 in just under 2300 innings. He's gone over 220 innings in a season only twice ('96 and '97). I don't see these numbers increasing dramatically in the future. In fact, I see Pedro as being on a steady decent from here on out. His small frame and odd arm positions have probably caught up to him. He's nowhere near as effective as he used to be (with an ERA near 4 in 2004).

 

[Koya]

Where the f' is bogart?

 

[Capella]

I think we're at the point where we can go ahead and skip bogart.no time limit on the weekend doesn't mean you can abuse it. PMs work fine.I'm sure he just got busy and couldn't get on the computer. He's not going to be upset if we move on after a 40-hour delay. Koya can pick.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

Easy there, Harrison..

 

[Koya]

Ok.. Ill pick in three hours.

 

[Capella]

Ok.. Ill pick in three hours.

 

[larry_boy_44]

I think we're at the point where we can go ahead and skip bogart.no time limit on the weekend doesn't mean you can abuse it. PMs work fine.I'm sure he just got busy and couldn't get on the computer. He's not going to be upset if we move on after a 40-hour delay. Koya can pick.

has he been on at all??I guess I'm more annoyed that he never said "I'm gonna be gone all weekend"... if he'd have said that I'd be much more ok with it...

 

[UCONN]

Ok.. Ill pick in three hours.

That's Nipsey/Mr. Ham level shtick. Or atleast in the same ballpark.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Updated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- SP CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.8 Harrier -- SP Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown3.9 Doug B -- 3B George Brett3.10 bogart -- OF Billy Hamilton3.11 Koya -- SP Tom Seaver3.12 funkley -- 3B Harmon Killebrew3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson3.14 UCONN -- 2B Jackie Robinson3.15 Spartans -- SP Hal Newhouser3.16 LarryBoy -- 1B Frank Thomas4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.02 Spartans -- OF Carl Yastrzemski4.03 UCONN -- SS Arky Vaughan4.04 Kraft -- 1B George Sisler4.05 Funkley -- SP Juan Marichal4.06 Koya -- OF Ken Griffey Jr.4.07 Bogart -- C Mickey Cochrane4.08 Doug B -- OF Tim Raines4.09 Harrier -- C Mike Piazza4.10 Pickles -- C Yogi Berra4.11 Sammy -- 2B Rod Carew4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg4.13 Capella -- OF Roberto Clemente4.14 Lastresort -- 3B Wade Boggs4.15 Spock -- 2B Frankie Frisch4.16 Pumpnick -- OF Duke Snider5.1 pumpnick -- SP Carl Hubbell5.2 Spock -- OF Tony Gwynn5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons 5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford5.8 Harrier -- SP Ed Walsh5.9 Doug B -- 1B Eddie Murray5.10 bogart5.11 Koya -- SS Alex Rodriguez5.12 funkley - 2B Roberto Alomar5.13 Kraft -- ON THE CLOCK5.14 UCONN5.15 Spartans5.16 LarryBoy

 

[Koya]

I know, so funny.

I did not know this player was eligible until UCONN mentioned the '94 rule.... when I found out he was - wow.

I have been waiting for the inevitable SS run - the position is deep, but there are 2-3 that stand at the top, another 2-3 a bit further down, and then a precipitous drop. There are few multiple Gold Glove winners out there that are true threats at the plate... and only one that was one of the top 5 players in baseball.

A Two Time GG winner that can hit you 50 HRs, bat .300, steal bases - at SHORT STOP?

I hope to get some old guys on my team, but this is too much value (both positionally, and to insert into a lineup) to pass up:

Alex Rodriguez SS - One of the top 3 SS to ever play the game.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Ok.. Ill pick in three hours.

That's Nipsey/Mr. Ham level shtick. Or atleast in the same ballpark.

are we sure Nipsey isn't Mr. Ham??I mean, has there even been any real evidence they aren't the same person?

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May. or we can just meet up in Chicago...bout 15 minutes away if you don't feel like coming to the 'cap.

 

[larry_boy_44]

I know, so funny.

I did not know this player was eligible until UCONN mentioned the '94 rule.... when I found out he was - wow.

I have been waiting for the inevitable SS run - the position is deep, but there are 2-3 that stand at the top, another 2-3 a bit further down, and then a precipitous drop. There are few multiple Gold Glove winners out there that are true threats at the plate... and only one that was one of the top 5 players in baseball.

A Two Time GG winner that can hit you 50 HRs, bat .300, steal bases - at SHORT STOP?

I hope to get some old guys on my team, but this is too much value (both positionally, and to insert into a lineup) to pass up:

Alex Rodriguez SS - One of the top 3 SS to ever play the game.

THAT WAS MY NEXT PICK!!!!!

 

[Doug B]

Damn getting the best switch hitter ever to plug right into the middle of the order was nice. I the Mick.

Tempting me to have second thoughts about Musial. :( .

 

[larry_boy_44]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

wait.. can you do that to yourself?? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

I'll be in Naperville for Easter. Think you can throttle me in front of my nephews and nieces?

I've got a record (nothing major but battery won't help it any). If you want to force me to defend myself that's your perogative. I won't be hard to find if you want that info.

 

[Doug B]

Alex Rodriguez SS - One of the top 3 SS to ever play the game.

My cheatsheet is an Excel spreadsheet in which available players are in black; taken players are in orange.Well, Alex Rodriguez's name was a black name in a sea of orange. Though his power would've been sapped in Griffith Stadium, I'd have taken him in the sixth. I was kinda hoping that other drafters may not have known he was eligible, but that was desperately wishful thinking on my part.

Nice pick, in other words.

.

 

[Funkley]

Sorry to interrupt the pushing & shoving but I need to pick.

5.12 - Roberto Alomar - 2B

I really need some infield defense and with some of the better 2B already off the board I think Alomar was arguably the best left. A perfect combination of offense and defense at his peak along with being able to use him in the #2 spot behind Cobb and to top it off he's a swtich hitter. The perfect pick for my team at this point.

A 12 time All Star, 10 time Gold Glove, top 5 in MVP voting 5 times.

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

I'll be in Naperville for Easter. Think you can throttle me in front of my nephews and nieces?

I've got a record (nothing major but battery won't help it any). If you want to force me to defend myself that's your perogative. I won't be hard to find if you want that info.

Decaf, UCON. Decaf. I'm joking around. Who would have thought you had a record?

Kids do the damndest things. Live and learn. Nipsey got a pretty worked up apology a few pages back and is welcome back in the draft btw.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I knew A-Rod would probably go around this point, but I think it's way too early.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

I'll be in Naperville for Easter. Think you can throttle me in front of my nephews and nieces?

I've got a record (nothing major but battery won't help it any). If you want to force me to defend myself that's your perogative. I won't be hard to find if you want that info.

you live in Naperville??

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

I'll be in Naperville for Easter. Think you can throttle me in front of my nephews and nieces?

I've got a record (nothing major but battery won't help it any). If you want to force me to defend myself that's your perogative. I won't be hard to find if you want that info.

you live in Naperville??

No. Close though. Used to play some ball over there as a kid.u in that area LB?

 

[Koya]

Alex Rodriguez -- SS

.305 avg / 381 HRs / .381 OBP / 1096 RBIs / 205 SBs

MVP (4 Times Top 3!)

2x GG

3x Home Run King (381 HRs and counting. Big time. Can not see less than 500, even 600+)

Batting Title '96

3x Runs Scored Leader

3x Total Bases Leader

9x 100+ RBI

13th ALL TIME slugging

#2 All Time Win Shares for SS - in only 10 years (I have to verify, Im 97% sure bout this

Check this out, and see where A Rod Stands in the All Time Pantheon:

Most Similar Batters by age/year played

Ken Griffey Jr. (816)

Mel Ott (779) *

Mickey Mantle (772) *

Hank Aaron (765) *

Frank Robinson (747) *

Eddie Mathews (745) *

Jimmie Foxx (723) *

(player not picked but in HOF) (696)

(player not picked but in HOF)

Johnny Bench (687) *

Tell me, except for anti active player sentiment (which I do hold as well to a degree), how does someone that, in their first ten years, compares to 10 hall of famers - ALL of whom have been long gone in this draft, remain on the board? Next, add 2 GG's at the SS position and A Rod becomes a true slugger, with speed and some defense. Another all around great player and one of the best players of his generation - even if that generation is now.

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

I'll be in Naperville for Easter. Think you can throttle me in front of my nephews and nieces?

I've got a record (nothing major but battery won't help it any). If you want to force me to defend myself that's your perogative. I won't be hard to find if you want that info.

Decaf, UCON. Decaf. I'm joking around. Who would have thought you had a record?

Kids do the damndest things. Live and learn. Nipsey got a pretty worked up apology a few pages back and is welcome back in the draft btw.

I don't think he wanted an apology, I think he wanted you to relinquish your team.

Oh. Too bad for him.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

I'll be in Naperville for Easter. Think you can throttle me in front of my nephews and nieces?

I've got a record (nothing major but battery won't help it any). If you want to force me to defend myself that's your perogative. I won't be hard to find if you want that info.

you live in Naperville??

No. Close though. Used to play some ball over there as a kid.

u in that area LB?

no, but I've spent like 6 weekends there in the last 8 months or so... my fiancee's family lives in Naperville...

 

[Koya]

I knew A-Rod would probably go around this point, but I think it's way too early.

Pick.. what is your rational for Arod Being too early? He is #2 in Win Shares for SS I believe, in only 10 years (behind only Honus). Offensively, there has only been one SS that has even been CLOSE, and that is Banks... taken long ago in this draft.The guy is one of the top 5 players of his time, and played at a position where you just do not see that offensive production?If you dont like him, or dont like the modern guys, that is one thing... and I really dont like A Rod (hate the yanks)... but his place in baseball lore as a SS is undeniable... I would have thought.

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

I'll be in Naperville for Easter. Think you can throttle me in front of my nephews and nieces?

I've got a record (nothing major but battery won't help it any). If you want to force me to defend myself that's your perogative. I won't be hard to find if you want that info.

Decaf, UCON. Decaf. I'm joking around. Who would have thought you had a record?

Kids do the damndest things. Live and learn. Nipsey got a pretty worked up apology a few pages back and is welcome back in the draft btw.

I don't think he wanted an apology, I think he wanted you to relinquish your team.

Oh. Too bad for him.

Too bad for everyone.

Nobody else is complaining pal. Again, your pm's and everybody elses down? You gotta problem let me know.

 

[Funkley]

5.10 Bogart - Skipped, can pick anytime5.13 Kraft 5.14 UCONN 5.15 Spartans 5.16 LarryBoy

 

[Koya]

I liked the Alomar pick - the reason I did not want to go 2nd is although he may have been the best left, the production you will lose by going to a role player at 2nd might not be as great as some other positions. VBD wise its a good choice, and could fill a number of roles... but his OBP isnt quite what I wanted for a top of the order guy, and did not have quite enough power numbers to justify that. People need to remember the Alomar of the 90's, before his quick and hard decline.

 

[UCONN]

Besides, no man alive should take #### from anyone who has a WNBA player as their avatar.

You've got my address if you really wanna back that statement up...

I've been too busy to come to bum####. Maybe next time you're in town, I can pencil in an ### whoopin'.

ok. I'll let ya know. Will be over that way in May.

How about May 5th? You can whoop my ### around 3:15 PM?

Second Saturday in May I'll be over that way. If you want to adjust your schedule cuz I hurt your feelings feel free. I'll let ya know where I'll be.

I'll be in Naperville for Easter. Think you can throttle me in front of my nephews and nieces?

I've got a record (nothing major but battery won't help it any). If you want to force me to defend myself that's your perogative. I won't be hard to find if you want that info.

Decaf, UCON. Decaf. I'm joking around. Who would have thought you had a record?

Kids do the damndest things. Live and learn. Nipsey got a pretty worked up apology a few pages back and is welcome back in the draft btw.

I don't think he wanted an apology, I think he wanted you to relinquish your team.

Oh. Too bad for him.

Too bad for everyone.

Nobody else is complaining pal. Again, your pm's and everybody elses down? You gotta problem let me know.

Hope I don't blow your chances of getting into the clique you want.

take it to pm's pal. I'm more than willing. Nobody else should have to sort through this crap just to see who's been picked. BTW....oh me oh my...I won't be in an internet click... , right back at ya buddy.

 

[Koya]

Guys, if you are going to fight about non baseball issues, at least do not use 5 screen long quotes to do it. TIA.

 

[Funkley]

I liked the Alomar pick - the reason I did not want to go 2nd is although he may have been the best left, the production you will lose by going to a role player at 2nd might not be as great as some other positions. VBD wise its a good choice, and could fill a number of roles... but his OBP isnt quite what I wanted for a top of the order guy, and did not have quite enough power numbers to justify that. People need to remember the Alomar of the 90's, before his quick and hard decline.

Thanks. I'm trying to stay away from active players simply because it's more fun for me to take the vintage guys but Alomar is too good to pass up compared to the other 2ndbasemen available. Really wanted either Rose or Morgan in the 5th or 6th round. LOL.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Updated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- SP CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.8 Harrier -- SP Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown3.9 Doug B -- 3B George Brett3.10 bogart -- OF Billy Hamilton3.11 Koya -- SP Tom Seaver3.12 funkley -- 3B Harmon Killebrew3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson3.14 UCONN -- 2B Jackie Robinson3.15 Spartans -- SP Hal Newhouser3.16 LarryBoy -- 1B Frank Thomas4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.02 Spartans -- OF Carl Yastrzemski4.03 UCONN -- SS Arky Vaughan4.04 Kraft -- 1B George Sisler4.05 Funkley -- SP Juan Marichal4.06 Koya -- OF Ken Griffey Jr.4.07 Bogart -- C Mickey Cochrane4.08 Doug B -- OF Tim Raines4.09 Harrier -- C Mike Piazza4.10 Pickles -- C Yogi Berra4.11 Sammy -- 2B Rod Carew4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg4.13 Capella -- OF Roberto Clemente4.14 Lastresort -- 3B Wade Boggs4.15 Spock -- 2B Frankie Frisch4.16 Pumpnick -- OF Duke Snider5.1 pumpnick -- SP Carl Hubbell5.2 Spock -- OF Tony Gwynn5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons 5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford5.8 Harrier -- SP Ed Walsh5.9 Doug B -- 1B Eddie Murray5.10 bogart5.11 Koya -- SS Alex Rodriguez5.12 funkley - 2B Roberto Alomar5.13 Kraft -- ON THE CLOCK5.14 UCONN5.15 Spartans5.16 LarryBoy

 

[UCONN]

I like those picks. Alomar gets a bad rap for the spitting thing, but he sure could play. A-Rod is offense at a defensive position w/out taking horrible defense to go w/ it (see Piazza). I also like them because I won't be drafting any more middle infielders for awhile. Thanks guys, .

 

[Koya]

I liked the Alomar pick - the reason I did not want to go 2nd is although he may have been the best left, the production you will lose by going to a role player at 2nd might not be as great as some other positions.  VBD wise its a good choice, and could fill a number of roles... but his OBP isnt quite what I wanted for a top of the order guy, and did not have quite enough power numbers to justify that.  People need to remember the Alomar of the 90's, before his quick and hard decline.

Thanks. I'm trying to stay away from active players simply because it's more fun for me to take the vintage guys but Alomar is too good to pass up compared to the other 2ndbasemen available. Really wanted either Rose or Morgan in the 5th or 6th round. LOL.

I am TRYING to do the same. I love the old time guys. But, when choosing Griffey vs. Clemente, I had to be logical about it. the "lore" is with clemente, but then you remember that someone was called this era's mays for a decade. After Griff, I REALLY wanted to go older, but then I realized we have the best power hitting shortstop ever who has two GG's to boot. Ill get my old guys later I guess. Hope the anti modern bias is not too strong... but objectively he was the best pick. Alomar is great. Solid all around at an important defensive position.

 

[larry_boy_44]

I like those picks. Alomar gets a bad rap for the spitting thing, but he sure could play. A-Rod is offense at a defensive position w/out taking horrible defense to go w/ it (see Piazza). I also like them because I won't be drafting any more middle infielders for awhile. Thanks guys, .

I only don't like them 'cuz I was targetting A-Rod and Griffey at this turn since the first roudn of this draft and now I don't get EITHER OF THEM!!!

 

[larry_boy_44]

I just want to state that I officially hate Koya for taking both of my picks at my next spot from me... ITS ON!!!

 

[Koya]

I like those picks. Alomar gets a bad rap for the spitting thing, but he sure could play. A-Rod is offense at a defensive position w/out taking horrible defense to go w/ it (see Piazza). I also like them because I won't be drafting any more middle infielders for awhile. Thanks guys, .

We aim to please, UCONN. Now, I hope my next picks have some old guys that work. This is starting to look like the Shaq/Kidd/Barkley team... Mostly current with a bit of 80's tossed in there.

 

[Koya]

I just want to state that I officially hate Koya for taking both of my picks at my next spot from me... ITS ON!!!

This SURELY is not a good sign for my chances either in voting NOR the sim.

 

[Koya]

Plus, Larry, there are a couple more Shortstops that can give you solid D and some very good offense. Even if not ungodly numbers year in and year out.I figured it would be better to START the SS run, then get caught looking at the guys who may be in the HOF, but only because the only SS to hit a lick was named Honus, up until Banks came a long (ok, Arky was awesome, and there are a couple others, I have to put in these disclaimers because anything said with even a bit of facetiousness gets quickly torn to threads here).

 

[larry_boy_44]

Plus, Larry, there are a couple more Shortstops that can give you solid D and some very good offense. Even if not ungodly numbers year in and year out.I figured it would be better to START the SS run, then get caught looking at the guys who may be in the HOF, but only because the only SS to hit a lick was named Honus, up until Banks came a long (ok, Arky was awesome, and there are a couple others, I have to put in these disclaimers because anything said with even a bit of facetiousness gets quickly torn to threads here).

I have a Shortstop in mind... I'm not sure though, since I don't really like him... lol

 

[Koya]

Plus, Larry, there are a couple more Shortstops that can give you solid D and some very good offense. Even if not ungodly numbers year in and year out.I figured it would be better to START the SS run, then get caught looking at the guys who may be in the HOF, but only because the only SS to hit a lick was named Honus, up until Banks came a long (ok, Arky was awesome, and there are a couple others, I have to put in these disclaimers because anything said with even a bit of facetiousness gets quickly torn to threads here).

I have a Shortstop in mind... I'm not sure though, since I don't really like him... lol

I see two worth this rounds value or close, depending on your personal strategy and current roster. I had planned on getting one of those two, or really waiting for a specific role player that no one will pick for a long time at least. But A Rod seemed like too much value. Going Pitching early, to have that added pop will mean a lot.However, I have three guys - all of whom go for .380 OBP which is very good, but all three have above avg. K's also. Not terrible since they get one base so often, and I wont be looking to steal a bunch with power like Schmidt, ARod and Griff - but I would like to be careful to take low SO players to make sure K's do not become a hindrence. It will mean a little less hit and run, if anything. It really depends on your personal strategy, which is why this is so fun. Besides, who is to say I wont move A Rod to third, Schmidt to first (in his one season over there, some felt he was the Phillies best defensive first baseman - EVER. I can find the quote if someone wants). and get another SS, so watch out.