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***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

still don't like the ARod pick, but I'm going to drop it at that since the players I may want to compare him to are still available.Back to Arky Vaughan if we may..this is a guy that either a) I have completely underrated or b) history has made out to be better than he really is.I don't see it..James has him as the #2 SS of all time.Career .318 avg is nice. James claims that Vaughan's three best seasons in 34-36 were better than the three best of any SS other than Wagner. Hit .351 over that period, scored a hundred runs, lead the league in walks. Had an OBP in '35 of .491 which is pretty sick. Still..I think you could easily put Banks' 3-year stretch of '57-59 up against Arky and have no problem saying that his was better. Arky was not rated an exceptional defensive player, which I personally consider important at SS. According to James, he ranks in the bottom half in terms of defensive value. Banks was no better either. I just don't see how his offense is that much better than some others that it bumps up his mediocre defense. I don't know why, but I just refuse to see Arky Vaughan ranked so high both in terms of overall greatness and where he was drafted here. Nice hitter, had a few insane OBP years but I don't think his offensive production matches up with others, and his defense wasn't special. I dunno, maybe there aren't enough good shortstops. And I also don't know why I continue to talk about this guy when nobody cares. :shrug:
The arky thing has me confused too. I am not a baseball genius by any stretch, but like most here probably, it was my 'first love' in sports. I have followed baseball and its history for a long time. That said, I NEVER knew of Arky Vaughn until this draft! which is crazy. Maybe Bill James IS the reason Arky is so popular amongst the baseball "elite" - because they all seem to talk about him at baseball only forums where the guys who "saw snider play against mays" talk like we do, here.In fact, about ARod, there was a lot of talk how ARod right now is in the middle of a career where he would like to continue and end up, as he is "on pace to", be as good or even better than Arky. if Arky was as good then as Arod was in the 90's, or Banks was then, and seems to be above others not yet drafted, how the hell does no one know about him?Larry - I need to see your next two picks before commenting. I agree Frank went way to high. I like the Gehriger pick a lot however . Clemens was perhaps a little early, but I can see some thinking he is up there and others not agreeing. He was dominant often, but Im not sure he was AS dominant in ways like Pedro, or Walter Johnson, or Randy Johnson. There were picthers taken almost 2 rounds later that basically match clemens career, outside of Cy Youngs (which mean a lot, granted. but have to consider the competition as well etc.). Matty was a great pick as you know where I stand on getting a top 3-5 overall pitcher. That is your best pick, IMO.
 
ok, since ya'll want discussion to be started...honestly what do you guys think of my team?
I wouldn't have taken a player that has such a glaring weakness (no glove whatsoever) as early as you took Frank. It's hard to judge the teams because we are still very early in this thing.
I wish I had my next 2 picks... of course I'm not even 100% sure about the guys I'm looking at...I really wanted Griffey and A-Rod... I'd have a monster team if I had gotten them two guys...2. A-Rod3. Griffey4. Thomas...I wanted THAT lineup... }=O( *sad*
I don't want Griffey in the Cincinnati Reds lineup!!! However, I can't say it was a bad pick to take him. He's hit 500 career HRs, and is held by most people to be the best defensive centerfielder for a decade. But honestly, I don't see how he would be a #3 hitter with a lineup of legends.Same argument for Thomas batting 4th.
you a reds fan spock?We should "declare"mets and orioles fan here (born in Baltimore, moved at 5 and had both on equal pairing. Ill deal with the "trouble" of both playing each other in the WS when it happens. Which will be never)
 
still don't like the ARod pick, but I'm going to drop it at that since the players I may want to compare him to are still available.Back to Arky Vaughan if we may..this is a guy that either a) I have completely underrated or b) history has made out to be better than he really is.I don't see it..James has him as the #2 SS of all time.Career .318 avg is nice. James claims that Vaughan's three best seasons in 34-36 were better than the three best of any SS other than Wagner. Hit .351 over that period, scored a hundred runs, lead the league in walks. Had an OBP in '35 of .491 which is pretty sick. Still..I think you could easily put Banks' 3-year stretch of '57-59 up against Arky and have no problem saying that his was better. Arky was not rated an exceptional defensive player, which I personally consider important at SS. According to James, he ranks in the bottom half in terms of defensive value. Banks was no better either. I just don't see how his offense is that much better than some others that it bumps up his mediocre defense. I don't know why, but I just refuse to see Arky Vaughan ranked so high both in terms of overall greatness and where he was drafted here. Nice hitter, had a few insane OBP years but I don't think his offensive production matches up with others, and his defense wasn't special. I dunno, maybe there aren't enough good shortstops. And I also don't know why I continue to talk about this guy when nobody cares. :shrug:
The arky thing has me confused too. I am not a baseball genius by any stretch, but like most here probably, it was my 'first love' in sports. I have followed baseball and its history for a long time. That said, I NEVER knew of Arky Vaughn until this draft! which is crazy. Maybe Bill James IS the reason Arky is so popular amongst the baseball "elite" - because they all seem to talk about him at baseball only forums where the guys who "saw snider play against mays" talk like we do, here.In fact, about ARod, there was a lot of talk how ARod right now is in the middle of a career where he would like to continue and end up, as he is "on pace to", be as good or even better than Arky. if Arky was as good then as Arod was in the 90's, or Banks was then, and seems to be above others not yet drafted, how the hell does no one know about him?Larry - I need to see your next two picks before commenting. I agree Frank went way to high. I like the Gehriger pick a lot however . Clemens was perhaps a little early, but I can see some thinking he is up there and others not agreeing. He was dominant often, but Im not sure he was AS dominant in ways like Pedro, or Walter Johnson, or Randy Johnson. There were picthers taken almost 2 rounds later that basically match clemens career, outside of Cy Youngs (which mean a lot, granted. but have to consider the competition as well etc.). Matty was a great pick as you know where I stand on getting a top 3-5 overall pitcher. That is your best pick, IMO.
He didn't win a World Series and they didn't have tv back then...and he wasn't a HR hitter. Banks played in a major market and hit HR's. They didn't have "Lebron" type hype machines back then....if a guy was great in a small market team that didn't win a series he didn't get the pub. He did make 9 all-star teams in the 30's I believe. Somebody thought he was doing something right.
 
still don't like the ARod pick, but I'm going to drop it at that since the players I may want to compare him to are still available.Back to Arky Vaughan if we may..this is a guy that either a) I have completely underrated or b) history has made out to be better than he really is.I don't see it..James has him as the #2 SS of all time.Career .318 avg is nice. James claims that Vaughan's three best seasons in 34-36 were better than the three best of any SS other than Wagner. Hit .351 over that period, scored a hundred runs, lead the league in walks. Had an OBP in '35 of .491 which is pretty sick. Still..I think you could easily put Banks' 3-year stretch of '57-59 up against Arky and have no problem saying that his was better. Arky was not rated an exceptional defensive player, which I personally consider important at SS. According to James, he ranks in the bottom half in terms of defensive value. Banks was no better either. I just don't see how his offense is that much better than some others that it bumps up his mediocre defense. I don't know why, but I just refuse to see Arky Vaughan ranked so high both in terms of overall greatness and where he was drafted here. Nice hitter, had a few insane OBP years but I don't think his offensive production matches up with others, and his defense wasn't special. I dunno, maybe there aren't enough good shortstops. And I also don't know why I continue to talk about this guy when nobody cares. :shrug:
It may have been a reach. I had a righty bat to set the table and wanted a lefty bat to set the table as well....obviously his OBP was the over-riding factor. The things I see have him ranked as an adequate (though not spectacular) defender. I'd already gotten 3 good gloves and was willing to make the sacrifice to get what I wanted in a hitter...I wouldn't have been comfortable hitting any of those great glvoes at the top of my order in an All-time line-up...and didn't want to get a #2 hitter out of a corner infielder, catcher, or outfielder. Reach or not his #2 ranking by Mr. James and his HOF induction certainly make him an all-time worthy player. That said certainly there is value at SS left and I'm sure some people that fill that position later are gonna be happy w/ said value.
Arky = Baseball elite slobbering on his jock / FFA asking who the ####?I liked the pick personally.
 
ok, since ya'll want discussion to be started...honestly what do you guys think of my team?
I wouldn't have taken a player that has such a glaring weakness (no glove whatsoever) as early as you took Frank. It's hard to judge the teams because we are still very early in this thing.
I wish I had my next 2 picks... of course I'm not even 100% sure about the guys I'm looking at...I really wanted Griffey and A-Rod... I'd have a monster team if I had gotten them two guys...2. A-Rod3. Griffey4. Thomas...I wanted THAT lineup... }=O( *sad*
at some point, you're going to have to take a player that still isn't on an active roster.
If we do this again next year, I suggest that the rules say players must have played in the majors before 1990, we use their 6th best year in the sim, and you have two have two players from every decade after 1900 (a player like Nolan Ryan would qualify for four different decades - 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's) on your roster.
 
All-Star193419351936193719381939194019411942Batting Average1933-.314-71934-.333-41935-.385-11936-.335-51938-.322-51941-.316-61943-.305-8Car-.318-58On-base %1933-.388-31934-.431-11935-.491-11936-.453-11937-.394-91938-.433-21940-.393-71941-.399-8Car-.406-46OPS1933-.866-41934-.942-41935-1.098-11936-.927-61937-.857-91938-.876-81941-.854-9Runs1933-85-71934-115-41935-108-81936-122-11938-88-91940-113-11943-112-1Stolen Bases1934-10-81938-14-41939-12-61940-12-81943-20-1Times on Base1933-249-41934-282-21935-296-11936-313-11938-280-31939-258-61940-269-11943-249-5I'll take those at a "set the table" spot in my line-up

 
UCONN - Arky strikes me as a similar player/pick to Adrian Dantley. Never played in the right market, even if he led the league in scoring twice! Olympic hero lost in the shuffle of slightly better all time legends and the market he played in (plus personality).Agree, or disagree? The stats and acclaim from insiders say one thing even if most wont see the value. No rings/MVPs to get their due acclaim.

 
UCONN - Arky strikes me as a similar player/pick to Adrian Dantley. Never played in the right market, even if he led the league in scoring twice! Olympic hero lost in the shuffle of slightly better all time legends and the market he played in (plus personality).Agree, or disagree? The stats and acclaim from insiders say one thing even if most wont see the value. No rings/MVPs to get their due acclaim.
Many, many players have been over/under rated based on where they played. That's a fair comparison in that way.
 
ok, since ya'll want discussion to be started...honestly what do you guys think of my team?
I wouldn't have taken a player that has such a glaring weakness (no glove whatsoever) as early as you took Frank. It's hard to judge the teams because we are still very early in this thing.
I wish I had my next 2 picks... of course I'm not even 100% sure about the guys I'm looking at...I really wanted Griffey and A-Rod... I'd have a monster team if I had gotten them two guys...2. A-Rod3. Griffey4. Thomas...I wanted THAT lineup... }=O( *sad*
at some point, you're going to have to take a player that still isn't on an active roster.
If we do this again next year, I suggest that the rules say players must have played in the majors before 1990, we use their 6th best year in the sim, and you have two have two players from every decade after 1900 (a player like Nolan Ryan would qualify for four different decades - 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's) on your roster.
That would be very fun. I am game for pretty much any rules that we all agree to. I thought this was going to be no 90's when we joined but obviously I have adjusted my drafting seeing as I have two 90's stars.My only request would be to find a "sim" that will not have us checking out if a player is a good "sim" player vs a good "real" player. The "I have the best 6th season" draft doesnt appeal to me as much as all time baseball draft. Would be interesting to include Negro Leaguers as well. You have 3 or so top 10 players alone that never saw the majors.
 
UCONN - Arky strikes me as a similar player/pick to Adrian Dantley. Never played in the right market, even if he led the league in scoring twice! Olympic hero lost in the shuffle of slightly better all time legends and the market he played in (plus personality).Agree, or disagree? The stats and acclaim from insiders say one thing even if most wont see the value. No rings/MVPs to get their due acclaim.
Many, many players have been over/under rated based on where they played. That's a fair comparison in that way.
I figured they were both stars.. almost but not quite superstars. Did their role very very well, but due to that lack of an all around huge presense (Dants defense and Arkys lack of power) do not get the respect they do deserve.Like a perfect storm of "not quite"ness.Very good, top player of their era. Wrong market. Lacked a couple "skills" that might push them over the top. Didnt win a championship, werent MVPs.
 
ok, since ya'll want discussion to be started...honestly what do you guys think of my team?
I wouldn't have taken a player that has such a glaring weakness (no glove whatsoever) as early as you took Frank. It's hard to judge the teams because we are still very early in this thing.
I wish I had my next 2 picks... of course I'm not even 100% sure about the guys I'm looking at...I really wanted Griffey and A-Rod... I'd have a monster team if I had gotten them two guys...2. A-Rod3. Griffey4. Thomas...I wanted THAT lineup... }=O( *sad*
at some point, you're going to have to take a player that still isn't on an active roster.
If we do this again next year, I suggest that the rules say players must have played in the majors before 1990, we use their 6th best year in the sim, and you have two have two players from every decade after 1900 (a player like Nolan Ryan would qualify for four different decades - 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's) on your roster.
That would be very fun. I am game for pretty much any rules that we all agree to. I thought this was going to be no 90's when we joined but obviously I have adjusted my drafting seeing as I have two 90's stars.My only request would be to find a "sim" that will not have us checking out if a player is a good "sim" player vs a good "real" player. The "I have the best 6th season" draft doesnt appeal to me as much as all time baseball draft. Would be interesting to include Negro Leaguers as well. You have 3 or so top 10 players alone that never saw the majors.
I wouldn't agree to saying "no players who didn't start before 1990"...A-Rod has played for 11 years... and he didn't start 'til 1994...It is 2005... 1990 was, after this season, 16 seasons ago...That is a full career... someone starts in 1990 and retires after 2005 and they could easily, very easily, have a top HoF career...I don't see how that would make sense... if anything I think the 1994 (10 year) rule might be too much... BUT I think anything more than 10 years is way too far back to put the restriction...
 
one other thing...I think for both of these drafts... They would be better if we did them again, even if we did them almost right away...after the first draft we would have ideas on where people went...kinda like how we use older drafts to rank FF players, we have an idea of value, but if we'd never seen a draft before, we don't have any clue what value is...Well, after we have a draft to look at, we'll all have value known a little better and be much better equipped to draft knowing that value...

 
My only request would be to find a "sim" that will not have us checking out if a player is a good "sim" player vs a good "real" player. The "I have the best 6th season" draft doesnt appeal to me as much as all time baseball draft.
Unless they have a downloadable database or something, that would take a substantial amount of time to determine with 130 years of players.Their salaries are also incredibly subjective as I've seen some crazy salaries for some of the players. On one of the searches I did, Lenny Dykstra came up as having a valuable season. On further investigation, he only started 84 games that year and didn't have any significant production except doubles. Maybe is medical bills were factored into his salary. Needless to say if you're using whatif sports to find players, you have to filter out a lot of their crap.
 
one other thing...I think for both of these drafts... They would be better if we did them again, even if we did them almost right away...after the first draft we would have ideas on where people went...kinda like how we use older drafts to rank FF players, we have an idea of value, but if we'd never seen a draft before, we don't have any clue what value is...Well, after we have a draft to look at, we'll all have value known a little better and be much better equipped to draft knowing that value...
this thing won't be over for another month..at least.then we have to have the vote AND the sim.I won't be turning around and doing another right afterwards. :no:
 
one other thing...I think for both of these drafts... They would be better if we did them again, even if we did them almost right away...after the first draft we would have ideas on where people went...kinda like how we use older drafts to rank FF players, we have an idea of value, but if we'd never seen a draft before, we don't have any clue what value is...Well, after we have a draft to look at, we'll all have value known a little better and be much better equipped to draft knowing that value...
this thing won't be over for another month..at least.then we have to have the vote AND the sim.I won't be turning around and doing another right afterwards. :no:
By the end of this draft, Lebron will be in the HOF!Oh, pumping up the wrong team. :unsure:
 
one other thing...I think for both of these drafts... They would be better if we did them again, even if we did them almost right away...after the first draft we would have ideas on where people went...kinda like how we use older drafts to rank FF players, we have an idea of value, but if we'd never seen a draft before, we don't have any clue what value is...Well, after we have a draft to look at, we'll all have value known a little better and be much better equipped to draft knowing that value...
this thing won't be over for another month..at least.then we have to have the vote AND the sim.I won't be turning around and doing another right afterwards. :no:
what I'm saying is... like 6 months from now...we do another Basketball one, then another Baseball one...starting in... say... June/July... maybe August/September...that's all... I'm not meaning immediately-immediately, just sooner than next winter maybe...
 
My only request would be to find a "sim" that will not have us checking out if a player is a good "sim" player vs a good "real" player. The "I have the best 6th season" draft doesnt appeal to me as much as all time baseball draft.
Unless they have a downloadable database or something, that would take a substantial amount of time to determine with 130 years of players.Their salaries are also incredibly subjective as I've seen some crazy salaries for some of the players. On one of the searches I did, Lenny Dykstra came up as having a valuable season. On further investigation, he only started 84 games that year and didn't have any significant production except doubles. Maybe is medical bills were factored into his salary. Needless to say if you're using whatif sports to find players, you have to filter out a lot of their crap.
Yeah, that is why the idea of any season after a certain mark (maybe any season 6th or worse for example) makes sure you do not get one or two peak years, but at the same time lets you pick "which" version of a player you most want. ie OF vs. 3B.But, Im game for whatever our rules are and what cap says (cap, you have to be like a lawyer with disclaimers in this thread!). My condolences on the Bengals, too. I got lucky being born and raised where I was.
 
I will say this.. it will be interesting if we do another draft some time down the road, to see how that draft is different. We would know a little about certain owner's taste in players and strategy, plus will know which guys may have fallen too far or not far enough. I just hope to get a top 6 pick for once!

 
one other thing...I think for both of these drafts... They would be better if we did them again, even if we did them almost right away...after the first draft we would have ideas on where people went...kinda like how we use older drafts to rank FF players, we have an idea of value, but if we'd never seen a draft before, we don't have any clue what value is...Well, after we have a draft to look at, we'll all have value known a little better and be much better equipped to draft knowing that value...
this thing won't be over for another month..at least.then we have to have the vote AND the sim.I won't be turning around and doing another right afterwards. :no:
what I'm saying is... like 6 months from now...we do another Basketball one, then another Baseball one...starting in... say... June/July... maybe August/September...that's all... I'm not meaning immediately-immediately, just sooner than next winter maybe...
If you can change your lineup in the sim everyday as was said before, doesn't that mean the sim will take at least 162 days? Or are we supposed to submit 162 lineups before the sim starts?
 
one other thing...I think for both of these drafts... They would be better if we did them again, even if we did them almost right away...after the first draft we would have ideas on where people went...kinda like how we use older drafts to rank FF players, we have an idea of value, but if we'd never seen a draft before, we don't have any clue what value is...Well, after we have a draft to look at, we'll all have value known a little better and be much better equipped to draft knowing that value...
this thing won't be over for another month..at least.then we have to have the vote AND the sim.I won't be turning around and doing another right afterwards. :no:
what I'm saying is... like 6 months from now...we do another Basketball one, then another Baseball one...starting in... say... June/July... maybe August/September...that's all... I'm not meaning immediately-immediately, just sooner than next winter maybe...
If you can change your lineup in the sim everyday as was said before, doesn't that mean the sim will take at least 162 days? Or are we supposed to submit 162 lineups before the sim starts?
From what I read you play a 3 game series every day and just submit for the whole series (and have a default for when you don't submit I think). So it'll take like 2 months.
 
one other thing...I think for both of these drafts... They would be better if we did them again, even if we did them almost right away...after the first draft we would have ideas on where people went...kinda like how we use older drafts to rank FF players, we have an idea of value, but if we'd never seen a draft before, we don't have any clue what value is...Well, after we have a draft to look at, we'll all have value known a little better and be much better equipped to draft knowing that value...
this thing won't be over for another month..at least.then we have to have the vote AND the sim.I won't be turning around and doing another right afterwards. :no:
what I'm saying is... like 6 months from now...we do another Basketball one, then another Baseball one...starting in... say... June/July... maybe August/September...that's all... I'm not meaning immediately-immediately, just sooner than next winter maybe...
If you can change your lineup in the sim everyday as was said before, doesn't that mean the sim will take at least 162 days? Or are we supposed to submit 162 lineups before the sim starts?
From what I read you play a 3 game series every day and just submit for the whole series (and have a default for when you don't submit I think). So it'll take like 2 months.
What's the odds that the draft takes longer than the sim?Who's pick are we waiting for right now anyways?
 
Updated picksROUND ONE1.1 pumpnick -- SP Walter Johnson1.2 Spock -- SP Sandy Koufax1.3 lastresort -- OF Babe Ruth1.4 Capella -- OF Willie Mays1.5 Nipsey -- SP CY Young1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.7 Pickles -- 1B Lou Gehrig1.8 Harrier -- OF Barry Bonds1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial1.10 bogart -- 2B Rogers Hornsby1.11 Koya -- P Lefty Grove1.12 funkley -- OF Ty Cobb1.13 Kraft -- OF Hank Aaron1.14 UCONN -- OF Mickey Mantle1.15 Spartans -- SS Honus Wagner1.16 LarryBoy -- SP Christy Mathewson2.1 Larryboy -- SP Roger Clemens2.2 Spartans -- SP Pedro Martinez2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.4 Kraft -- OF Joltin' Joe DiMaggio2.5 funkley -- 1B Jimmy Foxx2.6 koya -- 3B Mike Schmidt2.7 Bogart -- OF Rickey Henderson2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn2.9 Harrier -- SP Grover Cleveland Alexander2.10 Pickles -- OF Frank Robinson2.11 Sammy -- 3B Eddie Matthews2.12 Nipsey -- 2B Joe Morgan2.13 Capella -- 2B/3B/1B/OF Pete Rose2.14 Last Resort - 2B Eddie Collins2.15 Spock - SP Nolan Ryan2.16 Pumpnick - 2B Nap Lajoie3.1 pumpnick -- SP Greg Maddux3.2 Spock -- SP Steve Carlton3.3 lastresort -- 1B Mark McGwire3.4 Capella -- SP Randy Johnson3.5 Nipsey -- OF Joe Jackson3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.8 Harrier -- SP Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown3.9 Doug B -- 3B George Brett3.10 bogart -- OF Billy Hamilton3.11 Koya -- SP Tom Seaver3.12 funkley -- 3B Harmon Killebrew3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson3.14 UCONN -- 2B Jackie Robinson3.15 Spartans -- SP Hal Newhouser3.16 LarryBoy -- 1B Frank Thomas4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.02 Spartans -- OF Carl Yastrzemski4.03 UCONN -- SS Arky Vaughan4.04 Kraft -- 1B George Sisler4.05 Funkley -- SP Juan Marichal4.06 Koya -- OF Ken Griffey Jr.4.07 Bogart -- C Mickey Cochrane4.08 Doug B -- OF Tim Raines4.09 Harrier -- C Mike Piazza4.10 Pickles -- C Yogi Berra4.11 Sammy -- 2B Rod Carew4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg4.13 Capella -- OF Roberto Clemente4.14 Lastresort -- 3B Wade Boggs4.15 Spock -- 2B Frankie Frisch4.16 Pumpnick -- OF Duke Snider5.1 pumpnick -- SP Carl Hubbell5.2 Spock -- OF Tony Gwynn5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons 5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford5.8 Harrier -- SP Ed Walsh5.9 Doug B -- 1B Eddie Murray5.10 bogart5.11 Koya -- SS Alex Rodriguez5.12 funkley - 2B Roberto Alomar5.13 Kraft -- ON THE CLOCK5.14 UCONN5.15 Spartans5.16 LarryBoy

 
Come on Kraft! I have the feeling if we can get Craft, we will be able to make this full swing. Its Sunday night, hopefully the party crew will be checking in sooner or later.I was a BUM this weekend. My excitment was drinking games (including, err... scrabble) on fri night. :unsure:

 
Lets just say one of the 16 people in this draft will be able to vote twice, and leave it at that.
who? Nipsey/Ham??or are you thinking Ham is someone else?I do, however, find it interesting that as soon as Nipsey decided to leave (after telling us for almost 2 days he was going out of town for a week) Ham shows up...
 
Lets just say one of the 16 people in this draft will be able to vote twice, and leave it at that.
who? Nipsey/Ham??or are you thinking Ham is someone else?I do, however, find it interesting that as soon as Nipsey decided to leave (after telling us for almost 2 days he was going out of town for a week) Ham shows up...
Same thing could be said about you and Cocoa.... :pickle:
who?oh yeah, you realize I've been here on-and-off since we were on the old server, right?
 
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Updated picksROUND ONE1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons 5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford
Some of my favorite players that I didn't draft. 5th round has been really tough to watch. Several guys I hoped would slip. Particularly liked the Simmons pick. Great numbers for the 5th round.
 
Updated picksROUND ONE1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons 5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford
Some of my favorite players that I didn't draft. 5th round has been really tough to watch. Several guys I hoped would slip. Particularly liked the Simmons pick. Great numbers for the 5th round.
Ahhh. a baseball post... how refreshing!Had I been at the top of the draft, my gut says my position players would have been more older players.
 
Updated picksROUND ONE1.6 Sammy3469 --OF Ted Williams1.9 Doug B -- OF Stan Musial2.3 UCONN -- OF Tris Speaker2.8 Doug B -- SP Warren Spahn3.6 Sammy3469 -- SS/IB Ernie Banks3.7 Pickles -- OF/3B Mel Ott3.13 Kraft -- SP Bob Gibson4.01 LarryBoy -- 2B Charlie Gehringer4.12 Nipsey -- 1B/OF Hank Greenberg5.3 lastresort -- OF Al Simmons 5.4 Capella -- C Johnny Bench5.5 Nipsey -- Bob Feller5.6 Sammy3469 -- OF Ed Delahanty5.7 Pickles -- SP Whitey Ford
Some of my favorite players that I didn't draft. 5th round has been really tough to watch. Several guys I hoped would slip. Particularly liked the Simmons pick. Great numbers for the 5th round.
Ahhh. a baseball post... how refreshing!Had I been at the top of the draft, my gut says my position players would have been more older players.
Koufax and Seaver were two other players I would've liked but I knew Koufax would go before me in round one. I'm still surprised you didn't take Cobb right ahead of me. And believe me, I'm NOT re-opening the Grove arguments. I thought for sure he'd get close to me only to be snatched by you. You stole about 3 guys from me in similar fashion in the NBA draft. If you'd taken Cobb too I might've lost it. :loco: :)
 
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Koufax and Seaver were two other players I would've liked but I knew Koufax would go before me in round one. I'm still surprised you didn't take Cobb right ahead of me. And believe me, I'm NOT re-opening the Grove arguments. I thought for sure he'd get close to me only to be snatched by you. You stole about 3 guys from me in similar fashion in the NBA draft. If you'd taken Cobb too I might've lost it. :loco: :)
LOL @ the picking players... I thought the same thing when I saw we were next to each other as you took a couple I wanted, too. It really was pitching vs. position. I would have taken Wagner hands down over Cobb. And Grove vs. Cobb wouldnt be that close (Grove vs. Wagner was agonizing because I knew for that one pick, Wagner was better, but to make my team I wanted that top 3 pitcher).Cobb gets hurt because of his position. While I was able to get a player that was considered best at his position for a decade - and that was OF, like Cobb - in the 4th round, there was no way I could get a top 10 pitcher at that time.Was VBD. Wagner at SS would have meant something. Cobb, awesome as he was, can be approxiamated by Griffeys, or Clementes... Plus, he was such a ####### #######. I really didnt want Cobb on my team.Would you have taken Koufax over Cobb? If so, we only disagree on who the best ever Lefty was.
 
I just came accross this list while checking out the "mystery" message board of mine (which most of you have probably found by now). An interesting list and then some suggestions after:This is a list of top players by half decade. It is NOT my list, but one put together by an active member of a baseball history forum. The rules stated a player could only be mentioned once (otherwise Bonds would have three, for example). Even so, this shows the elite of their respective eras. It so happens EVERY one of these guys is off the board. 1901-05 - Honus wagner1906-10 - Nap Lajoie1911-15 - Ty Cobb (Eddie Collins)1916-20 - Tris Speaker1921-25 - Babe Ruth (Rogers Hornsby)1926-30 - Lou Gehrig1931-35 - Jimmie Foxx (Mickey Cochrane)1936-40 - Joe Dimaggio1941-45 - Ted Williams (missed a big chunk, but so did the other greats)1946-50 - Stan Musial (Jackie Robinson)1951-55 - Yogi Berra (Eddie Mathews)1956-60 - Mickey Mantle (Ernie Banks)1961-65 - Willie Mays (Hank Aaron)1966-70 - Carl Yastzremski (Frank Robinson)1971-75 - Joe Morgan (Johnny Bench)1976-80 - George Brett1981-85 - Mike Schmidt1986-90 - Rickey Henderson 1991-95 - Barry Bonds (Frank Thomas)1996-00 - Ken Griffey2001-2005 - Alex Rodriguez (you could, of course, put Bonds here and roll A-Rod and JR each back a half decade).There is also a list I came accross of top 5 players of each era which I will post when we get further down the draft.

 
Koufax and Seaver were two other players I would've liked but I knew Koufax would go before me in round one. I'm still surprised you didn't take Cobb right ahead of me. And believe me, I'm NOT re-opening the Grove arguments. I thought for sure he'd get close to me only to be snatched by you. You stole about 3 guys from me in similar fashion in the NBA draft. If you'd taken Cobb too I might've lost it. :loco: :)
LOL @ the picking players... I thought the same thing when I saw we were next to each other as you took a couple I wanted, too. It really was pitching vs. position. I would have taken Wagner hands down over Cobb. And Grove vs. Cobb wouldnt be that close (Grove vs. Wagner was agonizing because I knew for that one pick, Wagner was better, but to make my team I wanted that top 3 pitcher).Cobb gets hurt because of his position. While I was able to get a player that was considered best at his position for a decade - and that was OF, like Cobb - in the 4th round, there was no way I could get a top 10 pitcher at that time.Was VBD. Wagner at SS would have meant something. Cobb, awesome as he was, can be approxiamated by Griffeys, or Clementes... Plus, he was such a ####### #######. I really didnt want Cobb on my team.Would you have taken Koufax over Cobb? If so, we only disagree on who the best ever Lefty was.
Cobb was a #####, no question but when it came down to Cobb vs. Wagner I didn't have too much trouble going with Cobb. Wagner's position makes it an argument but Cobb has the numbers all over him imo. Particularly for the sim. If we were using career average I would've taken Wagner as they almost mirror eachother but in terms of 3rd best seasons I don't think it's close. Cobb hits over .400 with 80 stolen bases with a .450 ob and a .550 slg. The fact that he plays OF didn't bother me with numbers like those. Terrific OF range too. Wagner is awesome but Cobb is the guy I wanted. But I've been wrong before.
 
Cubs homer. I wish Banks would have slipped a little farther. Couldn't take him in the early second (where I'd have had to have selected him).

 
also as an aside I'm liking Spock's "idea" more and more. Especially the Nolan Ryan pick. Who better to have in a park where HR's are MUCH harder to hit. It'll be hard to beat a guy like that w/out the benifit of the HR (couple a walks then a bomb are how you beat that guy...not many teams are gonna pound out 12 singles on Nolan....well, all-time teams might, but he's gonna be tough in that park).

 
I like those picks. Alomar gets a bad rap for the spitting thing, but he sure could play. A-Rod is offense at a defensive position w/out taking horrible defense to go w/ it (see Piazza). I also like them because I won't be drafting any more middle infielders for awhile. Thanks guys, ;) .
You're kind of a #####, you know that? Piazza is not horrible at defense. He's above average, especially against teams that don't run.And another person who wouldn't mind you relinquishing your team; you've been a pain in the ### since this draft started.
 
I like those picks. Alomar gets a bad rap for the spitting thing, but he sure could play. A-Rod is offense at a defensive position w/out taking horrible defense to go w/ it (see Piazza). I also like them because I won't be drafting any more middle infielders for awhile. Thanks guys, ;) .
You're kind of a #####, you know that? Piazza is not horrible at defense. He's above average, especially against teams that don't run.And another person who wouldn't mind you relinquishing your team; you've been a pain in the ### since this draft started.
is this really necessary?can you guys cut the #### already?
 
I like those picks. Alomar gets a bad rap for the spitting thing, but he sure could play. A-Rod is offense at a defensive position w/out taking horrible defense to go w/ it (see Piazza). I also like them because I won't be drafting any more middle infielders for awhile. Thanks guys, ;) .
You're kind of a #####, you know that? Piazza is not horrible at defense. He's above average, especially against teams that don't run.
So is a brick wall.
 
also as an aside I'm liking Spock's "idea" more and more. Especially the Nolan Ryan pick. Who better to have in a park where HR's are MUCH harder to hit. It'll be hard to beat a guy like that w/out the benifit of the HR (couple a walks then a bomb are how you beat that guy...not many teams are gonna pound out 12 singles on Nolan....well, all-time teams might, but he's gonna be tough in that park).
Yeah I like Spock's strategy too. I'm glad someone went heavy on pitching early. I'll be curious to see how his team does.
 
I like those picks. Alomar gets a bad rap for the spitting thing, but he sure could play. A-Rod is offense at a defensive position w/out taking horrible defense to go w/ it (see Piazza). I also like them because I won't be drafting any more middle infielders for awhile. Thanks guys, ;) .
You're kind of a #####, you know that? Piazza is not horrible at defense. He's above average, especially against teams that don't run.And another person who wouldn't mind you relinquishing your team; you've been a pain in the ### since this draft started.
Let's try to keep the personal insults out of the thread (if I may say so, Cap - I know this isnt my gig but I expect you'd agree).We are looking for and trying to give constructive criticisms.. that doesnt mean we have to take it personally. Sometimes thing sound worse when reading them , than if they are mentioned, off hand, during conversation.
 
I like those picks. Alomar gets a bad rap for the spitting thing, but he sure could play. A-Rod is offense at a defensive position w/out taking horrible defense to go w/ it (see Piazza). I also like them because I won't be drafting any more middle infielders for awhile. Thanks guys, ;) .
You're kind of a #####, you know that? Piazza is not horrible at defense. He's above average, especially against teams that don't run.And another person who wouldn't mind you relinquishing your team; you've been a pain in the ### since this draft started.
Let's try to keep the personal insults out of the thread (if I may say so, Cap - I know this isnt my gig but I expect you'd agree).We are looking for and trying to give constructive criticisms.. that doesnt mean we have to take it personally. Sometimes thing sound worse when reading them , than if they are mentioned, off hand, during conversation.
I think constructive criticism would be a welcome and refreshing change around here, especially from UCONN.Wish I had a 6'10" Amazonian as my avatar; then I'd be really suave.
 
also as an aside I'm liking Spock's "idea" more and more. Especially the Nolan Ryan pick. Who better to have in a park where HR's are MUCH harder to hit. It'll be hard to beat a guy like that w/out the benifit of the HR (couple a walks then a bomb are how you beat that guy...not many teams are gonna pound out 12 singles on Nolan....well, all-time teams might, but he's gonna be tough in that park).
Yeah I like Spock's strategy too. I'm glad someone went heavy on pitching early. I'll be curious to see how his team does.
The flip side of course, are those 1/2 games NOT played at home. If someone is too geared toward one style of winning, will that be too large an obstacle on the road? I really dont know, just hypothetical. One of the things I have tried to do is take players early that will give me flexibility. Can move up and down the heart of the order a bit - and more importantly, no weaknesses of note. Good defense, power, speed, getting on base. That way, if the later picks mean I go more to a power team, I have enough speed to compensate, even without many SBs. If the later picks bring speed, then I have enough power for the middle of the order. But early on, no one to be an issue on defense (be it Piazza, or Williams, or other O' heavy players) and no one to clog up the bases. K's is the one thing I have to be careful of, even with good OBP's. Otherwise, it will be feast or famine.. and that could mean famine against the likes of Ryan, or other SO pitchers. If I can get some guys to work up the pitch count and make a little contact w/ few Ks, my team can generate a run or two and hope for the Earl Weaver blast to win the game. Thats just my strategy. I like how we all have different ones.
 

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