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oh, then i had crazy long hair like a fro, also (for real).now, short.  but no pitching.
But you've pitched, had short hair and worn glasses at one time....
I have been advised to ask you to please consult my attorney. (I have a friend, in LA, and he is on a permanant $1 dollar retainer. for real)
What's his last name and where does he work....
Johannson... 400 Grand, 23-26th floors (I think it is four hundred. Was the tower opposite the former IBM building, downtown).
you've misspelled the name....
ahhh yes. mispelled.
 
oh, then i had crazy long hair like a fro, also (for real).now, short.  but no pitching.
But you've pitched, had short hair and worn glasses at one time....
I have been advised to ask you to please consult my attorney. (I have a friend, in LA, and he is on a permanant $1 dollar retainer. for real)
What's his last name and where does he work....
Johannson... 400 Grand, 23-26th floors (I think it is four hundred. Was the tower opposite the former IBM building, downtown).
you've misspelled the name....
ahhh yes. mispelled.
first name?
 
I'll be back in the morning. Anyone want me to PM my picks to them in case pumpnick shows up in the next few hours?EDIT: I SEE HIM!!!!

 
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according to Baseball Prospectus' equalized stats:AGE YEAR TEAM AB H 2B 3B HR BB HBP SO SB CS OUT RUN RBI BA OBA SA UEQR EQA EQR 23 1991 CHI-A 527 179 31 2 41 135 1 112 1 2 352 109 114 .340 .475 .639 134 .364 14026 1991 PIT-N 492 153 29 4 33 105 5 69 40 12 363 103 125 .311 .437 .587 114 .335 118Thomas with a higher BA, OB%, Slugging, HRs, Doubles, Hits, ABs, walks, and pretty much everything else (except Ks and 3Bs, & RBIs) 24 1992 CHI-A 544 188 45 2 36 119 5 88 6 3 370 119 126 .346 .467 .634 132 .358 142 27 1992 PIT-N 454 148 30 3 42 126 6 68 38 8 320 116 111 .326 .478 .683 125 .369 133Thomas has more ABs, Hits, Doubles, RBIs, BA.... less home runs, BBs, OB%, & Slugging 25 1993 CHI-A 524 173 31 0 50 106 2 52 4 2 367 108 128 .330 .445 .676 138 .354 136 28 1993 SF_-N 514 179 35 3 49 123 2 78 27 12 353 124 120 .348 .476 .714 152 .370 147Thomas has more ABs, HRs, RBIs... 26 1994 CHI-A 533 195 40 2 60 141 3 80 2 4 352 140 134 .366 .501 .786 132 .395 173 29 1994 SF_-N 528 168 21 1 51 101 8 58 43 14 378 119 109 .318 .435 .652 99 .345 132Thomas has more ABs, Hits, Doubles, HRs, Walks, RBIs, BA, OB%, Slugging.... 27 1995 CHI-A 527 172 27 0 48 138 7 77 3 2 372 108 117 .326 .472 .651 138 .361 146 30 1995 SF_-N 545 164 33 5 39 127 5 86 32 12 397 116 112 .301 .437 .594 124 .337 131Thomas has less ABs, but more hits, HRs, Walks, & RBIs... Higher BA, OB%, Slugging... 28 1996 CHI-A 492 176 22 0 42 97 5 64 1 1 326 101 121 .358 .468 .659 144 .363 129 31 1996 SF_-N 495 156 24 3 41 143 1 69 37 8 353 112 119 .315 .469 .624 147 .357 135Thomas has fewer ABs, more hits, HRs, RBIs, BA, & Slugging... 29 1997 CHI-A 497 179 29 0 39 104 3 61 1 1 327 107 120 .360 .473 .654 137 .365 132 32 1997 SF_-N 517 155 24 4 41 136 7 80 35 8 375 118 98 .300 .452 .600 138 .346 132Thomas has fewer ABs, more hits, Doubles, RBIs, BA, OB%, & Slugging 30 1998 CHI-A 549 149 33 1 32 108 6 82 7 0 412 104 104 .271 .396 .510 113 .308 108 33 1998 SF_-N 532 168 40 5 37 121 7 84 30 14 385 113 115 .316 .449 .618 141 .343 132Thomas has more ABs and that is pretty much it since this year absolutely sucked for him... 31 1999 CHI-A 468 142 26 0 19 80 8 62 3 3 338 69 71 .303 .414 .481 97 .307 88 34 1999 SF_-N 339 90 21 2 33 63 3 58 13 2 254 83 76 .265 .385 .631 85 .325 77Thomas has more ABs, Hits, Doubles, BA, OB%....for good measure: 32 2000 CHI-A 558 181 36 0 45 102 5 88 1 3 389 104 127 .324 .433 .631 150 .342 133 35 2000 SF_-N 461 145 28 4 48 100 3 71 10 3 326 118 98 .315 .439 .705 137 .357 124Thomas has more ABs, more hits, more doubles, more BB, higher BA...So, according to BaseballProspectus' translated stats Thomas was better 6 times from 1991-2000, Bonds was better 3 times, and they were tied once...and this is at the plate, not counting fielding/baserunning, where Bonds is obviously much better...
Why are you looking at equalized stats when they're from the exact same years?Besides, you're :fishing: with your evaluation of what is better at different times, and breaking it up year by year. Basically, you'll contort the stats to prove whatever you can't sell in the world of reality.You are the only person in the world that thinks Thomas was a better batter than Bonds, at any point, ever.
only because Bonds has the reputation from teh last 4 years...If the last 4 years hadn't happened, Thomas would be considered the best hitter of the 90s...I showed like 150 pages ago that Thomas had better actual stats than Bonds...equalized (for park, pitching, etc.) Thomas is even better than Bonds...
:fishing:
 
oh, then i had crazy long hair like a fro, also (for real).now, short.  but no pitching.
But you've pitched, had short hair and worn glasses at one time....
I have been advised to ask you to please consult my attorney. (I have a friend, in LA, and he is on a permanant $1 dollar retainer. for real)
What's his last name and where does he work....
Johannson... 400 Grand, 23-26th floors (I think it is four hundred. Was the tower opposite the former IBM building, downtown).
you've misspelled the name....
ahhh yes. mispelled.
Johanna?
 
oh, then i had crazy long hair like a fro, also (for real).now, short.  but no pitching.
But you've pitched, had short hair and worn glasses at one time....
I have been advised to ask you to please consult my attorney. (I have a friend, in LA, and he is on a permanant $1 dollar retainer. for real)
What's his last name and where does he work....
Johannson... 400 Grand, 23-26th floors (I think it is four hundred. Was the tower opposite the former IBM building, downtown).
you've misspelled the name....
ahhh yes. mispelled.
Johanna?
No. I would not give out my friends name. His firm is somewhere on the Westside I think, maybe Century City. But I do have him on a one buck retainer. I think we sealed the deal at the houstons centure city. I know, I know. Their sliced steak freakin rules though.
 
oh, then i had crazy long hair like a fro, also (for real).now, short.  but no pitching.
But you've pitched, had short hair and worn glasses at one time....
I have been advised to ask you to please consult my attorney. (I have a friend, in LA, and he is on a permanant $1 dollar retainer. for real)
What's his last name and where does he work....
Johannson... 400 Grand, 23-26th floors (I think it is four hundred. Was the tower opposite the former IBM building, downtown).
you've misspelled the name....
ahhh yes. mispelled.
Johanna?
No. I would not give out my friends name. His firm is somewhere on the Westside I think, maybe Century City. But I do have him on a one buck retainer. I think we sealed the deal at the houstons centure city. I know, I know. Their sliced steak freakin rules though.
French dip is good there...
 
I did work in the (former?) IBM building though. I think it was 400 grand. Was a decent chinese place at the top of the other tower.

 
Hey guys, I will have very spotty access from now until Tues, so I am going to send Nipsey a list of players I'd like, and if I'm not around within a half hour of someone picking for me, feel free to let him. If he runs out of players to pick (which probably shouldn't happen--it's a long list) and I start missing the time limits on top of that, just skip me and I'll pick after the draft or whenever I get a chance to log on.Thanks

 
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19 289 pumpnick OF Chick Hafey

19 290 Spock 2b Joe Gordon

19 291 lastresort RP Mike Marshall

19 292 Capella OF Dom DiMaggio

19 293 Nipsey OF Andre Dawson

19 294 Sammy3469 RP/SP Billy Pierce

19 295 Pickles OF Dave Parker

19 296 Harrier C Mikw Sciocia

19 297 Doug 1B Ted Kluzinski

19 298 bogart SP Joe Wood

19 299 Koya OF Kenny Lofton

19 300 funkley SP Wilbur Wood

19 301 Kraft SP Vic Willis

19 302 UCONN C Roger Bresnahan

19 303 Spartans OF Roger maris

19 304 Larryboy RP Paul Quantrill

20 305 Larryboy 1B Rogor Connor

20 306 Spartans RP Mark Montegomery

20 307 UCONN OF Sam Thompson

20 308 Kraft SP Frank Viola

20 309 funkley 2B Willie Randolph

20 310 Koya 2B Billy Herman

20 311 bogart OF Max Carey

20 312 Doug 3B Toby Harrah

20 313 Harrier SP/RP Red Munger

20 314 Pickles SP Urban Shocker

20 315 Sammy3469 RP Bobby Shantz

20 316 Nipsey OF Enos Slaughter

20 317 Capella OF Bobby Bonds

20 318 lastresort RP Jesse Orosco

20 319 Spock 1B Hal Trosky

20 320 pumpnick Stu Miller

21 321 pumpnick P Roy Kramer

21 322 Spock OF Shawn Green

21 323 lastresort ON THE CLOCK

21 324 Capella

21 325 Nipsey

 
I do have nips pick, so if Im not around pm me so I see it in email. I have a much lighter day today than the last couple of days.

 
Question about whatifsports:Since there was no flexibility on the 3rd year issue, what happens to those of us (which might be most, really dont know) who have drafted players that are eligible at more than one defensive position, and might even have been good defenders at more than one position - but, in their third wis year, are not listed under the other position?I am assuming we are still unable to pick a worse than 3rd best year for this, but we never answered for sure (1) If we can put say M. Schmidt at 1B since his 3rd year doesnt have that listed and if so (2) how much of a defensive detriment will that be?I know someone (spartans?) drafted a 1B who is eligib le only at 3rd base, so that is a similar (actually a worse) situation than the example above.Do we have any clarity on this? A shame that I now see a player that I would like to take, but even though he was a good utility player, wis only has him at ONE position in the third year and one that I have filled. If I knew he would not be a huge detriment to my wis team, I would draft him - because he fits my teams need well.Unfortunately in wis, that means I will literally not have a backup at some positions when I drafted to have backups (i.e. A Rod is eligible to play third. but not in wis. Schmidt 1st, but not in wis - so now I have no backups for those positions? if they can at least be a D fielder and not like an F-, that would help but I have no idea).tia

 
Question about whatifsports:

Since there was no flexibility on the 3rd year issue, what happens to those of us (which might be most, really dont know) who have drafted players that are eligible at more than one defensive position, and might even have been good defenders at more than one position - but, in their third wis year, are not listed under the other position?

I am assuming we are still unable to pick a worse than 3rd best year for this, but we never answered for sure.
I'm glad you brought this up. As we are nearing the end of this draft, I'd like to propose a compromise to all of the drafters:PROPOSED -- For the purpose of accurate simulation, each team owner may use a fourth or worse ranked season salary from Whatifsports.com for no more than four (4) players.

[ ] YES

[ ] NO

I can send this to everyone via PM, if that would help. Do we know if anyone is in opposition to this idea? I know mrharrier didn't like the idea of allowing any and all players to use fourth-or-worse years -- but I don't know his opinion on any compromise in which a limited number of players could go fourth-or-worse.

 
Question about whatifsports:Since there was no flexibility on the 3rd year issue, what happens to those of us (which might be most, really dont know) who have drafted players that are eligible at more than one defensive position, and might even have been good defenders at more than one position - but, in their third wis year, are not listed under the other position?I am assuming we are still unable to pick a worse than 3rd best year for this, but we never answered for sure (1) If we can put say M. Schmidt at 1B since his 3rd year doesnt have that listed and if so (2) how much of a defensive detriment will that be?I know someone (spartans?) drafted a 1B who is eligib le only at 3rd base, so that is a similar (actually a worse) situation than the example above.Do we have any clarity on this? A shame that I now see a player that I would like to take, but even though he was a good utility player, wis only has him at ONE position in the third year and one that I have filled. If I knew he would not be a huge detriment to my wis team, I would draft him - because he fits my teams need well.Unfortunately in wis, that means I will literally not have a backup at some positions when I drafted to have backups (i.e. A Rod is eligible to play third. but not in wis. Schmidt 1st, but not in wis - so now I have no backups for those positions? if they can at least be a D fielder and not like an F-, that would help but I have no idea).tia
Same issue here, Wills isn't eligible at SS in his #3 year and Pesky is only eligible at 3B in his #3 year so I'm without a SS on what if at the moment. I suppose we could take the third best year where they are eligible at the position then it shouldn't be an issue. Curious to know how the util guys work on Whatif, Pesky is eligible at 2B,3B and SS by our rules but I'm not sure if he can play all 3 at Whatif. Anyone with experience over there know how the Util spots work as far as position eligibility go?
 
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Does Whatifsports prevent moves such as playing Babe Ruth at SS, or Barry Bonds at C? In other words, if a player is ungraded at a given position, does that actually prevent that player from being moved to that given position in a simulated game?

 
Question about whatifsports:Since there was no flexibility on the 3rd year issue, what happens to those of us (which might be most, really dont know) who have drafted players that are eligible at more than one defensive position, and might even have been good defenders at more than one position - but, in their third wis year, are not listed under the other position?I am assuming we are still unable to pick a worse than 3rd best year for this, but we never answered for sure (1) If we can put say M. Schmidt at 1B since his 3rd year doesnt have that listed and if so (2) how much of a defensive detriment will that be?I know someone (spartans?) drafted a 1B who is eligib le only at 3rd base, so that is a similar (actually a worse) situation than the example above.Do we have any clarity on this?    A shame that I now see a player that I would like to take, but even though he was a good utility player, wis only has him at ONE position in the third year and one that I have filled.  If I knew he would not be a huge detriment to my wis team, I would draft him - because he fits my teams need well.Unfortunately in wis, that means I will literally not have a backup at some positions when I drafted to have backups (i.e. A Rod is eligible to play third.  but not in wis.  Schmidt 1st, but not in wis - so now I have no backups for those positions?  if they can at least be a D fielder and not like an F-, that would help but I have no idea).tia
Same issue here, Wills isn't eligible at SS in his #3 year and Pesky is only eligible at 3B in his #3 year so I'm without a SS on what if at the moment. I suppose we could take the third best year where they are eligible at the position then it shouldn't be an issue. Curious to know how the util guys work on Whatif, Pesky is eligible at 2B,3B and SS by our rules but I'm not sure if he can play all 3 at Whatif. Anyone with experience over there know how the Util spots work as far as position eligibility go?
If you take the third best where they are eligible at that position, that seems quite unfair to teams like yours where a player might have had a third best year at one position that is his 8th, or 11th best year overall. Not a fair representation of that player.It also doesnt help many us of who have a player that might have say 150-300 starts at an alternate position, but might have only played that position one, or two years (i.e. Arod is probably only eligible for one season at third. Regardless if it is his best or worse season, its only one).Again, I will go with the flow and not cause trouble, but hopefully we can all find a fair compromise to keep this fun and not lock players out of where they should be.. especially if we are to pony up 15 bucks for an "afterthought"
 
Question about whatifsports:

Since there was no flexibility on the 3rd year issue, what happens to those of us (which might be most, really dont know) who have drafted players that are eligible at more than one defensive position, and might even have been good defenders at more than one position - but, in their third wis year, are not listed under the other position?

I am assuming we are still unable to pick a worse than 3rd best year for this, but we never answered for sure.
I'm glad you brought this up. As we are nearing the end of this draft, I'd like to propose a compromise to all of the drafters:PROPOSED -- For the purpose of accurate simulation, each team owner may use a fourth or worse ranked season salary from Whatifsports.com for no more than four (4) players.

[ ] YES

[ ] NO

I can send this to everyone via PM, if that would help. Do we know if anyone is in opposition to this idea? I know mrharrier didn't like the idea of allowing any and all players to use fourth-or-worse years -- but I don't know his opinion on any compromise in which a limited number of players could go fourth-or-worse.
I vote resoundly yes. Especially since we are supposed to pay for this. As long as the players season is 3rd or worse, I see no unfair advantage. The reason we put the 3rd year rule was to elminate a Brady Anderson fluky season - not to lock players out of "worse" years where they better represent the position(s) they played.

Now, if the players ONLY season of eligibility is his best or second best year, I can see where that might be an unfair advantage. Not for a 4th, 5th or 6th best year though.

 
How do I change someone's fielding position?Go to your Manager's Office for that team. In your lineup card you'll see a 'Pos' link next 'Order'. Click on Pos. Now you'll see lists of positions next to each player's name. Positions marked with an asterisck (*) indicate the player's natural position. Positions marked with a caret (^) indicate the player played at least 1 game there that season. Once you've made any position changes, click on 'Set Positions'. Keep in mind that you are still setting your lineup card for either a left-handed pitcher or a right-handed pitcher - if you wanted to change a player's position against both, you'd need to click on 'Lineup v. LHP' or 'Lineup v. RHP' and repeat the process.
I think you can play them out of position. From reading some of the message board stuff, it looks like if the guys has good range that translates well. The fielding is a different matter. Guys with good range seem to be able to play anywhere you want (i.e. a SS with good range can play CF).
 
How do I change someone's fielding position?Go to your Manager's Office for that team. In your lineup card you'll see a 'Pos' link next 'Order'. Click on Pos. Now you'll see lists of positions next to each player's name. Positions marked with an asterisck (*) indicate the player's natural position. Positions marked with a caret (^) indicate the player played at least 1 game there that season. Once you've made any position changes, click on 'Set Positions'. Keep in mind that you are still setting your lineup card for either a left-handed pitcher or a right-handed pitcher - if you wanted to change a player's position against both, you'd need to click on 'Lineup v. LHP' or 'Lineup v. RHP' and repeat the process.
I think you can play them out of position. From reading some of the message board stuff, it looks like if the guys has good range that translates well. The fielding is a different matter. Guys with good range seem to be able to play anywhere you want (i.e. a SS with good range can play CF).
:goodposting:Thanks, Sammy.
 
How do I change someone's fielding position?Go to your Manager's Office for that team. In your lineup card you'll see a 'Pos' link next 'Order'. Click on Pos. Now you'll see lists of positions next to each player's name. Positions marked with an asterisck (*) indicate the player's natural position. Positions marked with a caret (^) indicate the player played at least 1 game there that season. Once you've made any position changes, click on 'Set Positions'. Keep in mind that you are still setting your lineup card for either a left-handed pitcher or a right-handed pitcher - if you wanted to change a player's position against both, you'd need to click on 'Lineup v. LHP' or 'Lineup v. RHP' and repeat the process.
I think you can play them out of position. From reading some of the message board stuff, it looks like if the guys has good range that translates well. The fielding is a different matter. Guys with good range seem to be able to play anywhere you want (i.e. a SS with good range can play CF).
:goodposting:Thanks, Sammy.
ok, that helps. I just hope we dont have half the league screwed from this rule because some seem so inflexible (which I really dont understand, but Ive accepted it)
 
Like I said above, it seems like middle infield (there appears to be some pyramid thing with SS and 2B being on top) guys can play anywhere with little effect (presuming they are good...if their bad to begin with they'll be bad anywhere). The WIS stats also try to mirror the fielding stats for that year. So that's why there is variation for a player from year to year. They also appear to group the guys in thirds for each given year. So just because someone is say a B one year doesn't necessarily mean he's worse than someone with an A in some other year. These grades seem to be only a guide and not some hard and fast rule. The Sim is based on the actual stats, so results may vary. Apparently it also tries to mirror the fielding over the course of the year, so if someone is a C, you can plan on him committing XXX amounts of errors for the year and that each error in turn will cost you 0.50 runs per game (I believe this is what James says each error costs you)Like some, I think we should be allowed to use worse than 3rd, but it really doesn't matter to me.

 
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Like some, I think we should be allowed to use worse than 3rd, but it really doesn't matter to me.
OK, then, here's a straw poll so far:FOURTH-SALARY-YEAR-OR-WORSE Proposal:

FOR

Doug B

Koya

Sammy

larry_boy

AGAINST

ø

.

 
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Like some, I think we should be allowed to use worse than 3rd, but it really doesn't matter to me.
OK, then, here's a straw poll so far:FOURTH-SALARY-YEAR-OR-WORSE Proposal:

FOR

Doug B

Koya

Sammy

AGAINST

ø
I'm for using third-and-under whenever, so i'm fine with this...another advantage is it eliminates when WIS uses a really really crappy year for thier 3rd season for no explicable reason (I-Rod's 1994 season for example)

 
This is starting to feel like a mutiny. I knew I should have brought my sword to work today.
Hold on now. As long as the fourth-or-worse option is only used for a few players per team, the applecart wouldn't be totally upset.
 
C'mon, let's finish this thing before the weekend! Can't take another week of this!
I think we need a Capella ruling, but 1pm EST, 12 CST, 11am MST, and 10am PST seems reasonable. If Nipsey can be up by 10, anybody can.
 
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19 289 pumpnick OF Chick Hafey

19 290 Spock 2B Joe Gordon

19 291 lastresort RP Mike Marshall

19 292 Capella OF Dom DiMaggio

19 293 Nipsey OF Andre Dawson

19 294 Sammy3469 SP Billy Pierce

19 295 Pickles OF Dave Parker

19 296 Harrier C Mike Scioscia

19 297 Doug B 1B Ted Kluszewski

19 298 bogart RP Joe Wood

19 299 Koya OF Kenny Lofton

19 300 funkley SP Wilbur Wood

19 301 Kraft SP Vic Willis

19 302 UCONN C Roger Bresnahan

19 303 Spartans OF Roger Maris

19 304 Larryboy RP Paul Quantrill

20 305 Larryboy 1B Roger Connor

20 306 Spartans RP Jeff Montgomery

20 307 UCONN OF Sam Thompson

20 308 Kraft SP Frank Viola

20 309 funkley 2B Willie Randolph

20 310 Koya 2B Billy Herman

20 311 bogart OF Max Carey

20 312 Doug B 3B Toby Harrah

20 313 Harrier SP Red Munger

20 314 Pickles SP Urban Shocker

20 315 Sammy3469 SP Bobby Shantz

20 316 Nipsey OF Enos Slaughter

20 317 Capella OF Bobby Bonds

20 318 lastresort RP Jesse Orosco

20 319 Spock 1B Hall Trosky

20 320 pumpnick RP Stu Miller

21 321 pumpnick SP Ray Kremer

21 322 Spock OF Shawn Green

21 323 lastresort on the clock

21 324 Capella on deck

21 325 Nipsey in the hole

21 326 Sammy3469

21 327 Pickles

21 328 Harrier

21 329 Doug B

21 330 bogart

21 331 Koya

21 332 funkley

21 333 Kraft

21 334 UCONN

21 335 Spartans

21 336 Larryboy

 

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