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Doug B
Footballguy
STRAW POLL
PROPOSED -- For the purpose of accurate simulation, each team owner may use a fourth or worse ranked season salary from Whatifsports.com for no more than four (4) players.
FOR
Doug B
Koya
Sammy
larry_boy
Kraft
AGAINST
Nipsey
(Edited to add Nipsey's result and to clarify straw poll heading - DB)
PROPOSED -- For the purpose of accurate simulation, each team owner may use a fourth or worse ranked season salary from Whatifsports.com for no more than four (4) players.
FOR
Doug B
Koya
Sammy
larry_boy
Kraft
AGAINST
Nipsey
(Edited to add Nipsey's result and to clarify straw poll heading - DB)
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Doug B
Footballguy
The original straw poll does not make clear that the original proposal states that fourth-or worse season could only be used for four players, maximum. Not for all players on a roster.Nipsey, does this make a difference in our opinion?Against. I'd be for it only if it involved positional issues. I think we've drafted too many great players to allow picking and choosing statistically specific seasons at this point. Too late for streamlining teams when the draft is 90% over....
Nipsey
Footballguy
None at all. I think if I were to do that, I change the season for only three players. (and I know it'd make a difference)The original straw poll does not make clear that the original proposal states that fourth-or worse season could only be used for four players, maximum. Not for all players on a roster.Nipsey, does this make a difference in our opinion?Against. I'd be for it only if it involved positional issues. I think we've drafted too many great players to allow picking and choosing statistically specific seasons at this point. Too late for streamlining teams when the draft is 90% over....
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Nolan Ryan pitched for 27 seasons. However, over 7% of his career walks occured in his WIS third highest salaried season. You don't want to give me the ability to choose another season for Nolan Ryan.
Koya
Footballguy
i thought this was only for positional issues?nips, I see you are back so I assume all is good with your pick. im running late but didnt want to hold up things with your pick., be back in an hour to check in again, pelase pm me if my turn comes up so i can see it in email. so much for today not being busy.Against. I'd be for it only if it involved positional issues. I think we've drafted too many great players to allow picking and choosing statistically specific seasons at this point. Too late for streamlining teams when the draft is 90% over....
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Come on guys! There's 28 picks to go before I pick again! 
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Question for you math guys, if there are any here
oes it make sense to normalize ALL players to today's standards including those that already play in today's environment? That's what was done in the Normalized Database I'm using and it seems odd to me.Seems like current players are getting penalized when their stats should stay the same.Thoughts?
oes it make sense to normalize ALL players to today's standards including those that already play in today's environment? That's what was done in the Normalized Database I'm using and it seems odd to me.Seems like current players are getting penalized when their stats should stay the same.Thoughts?
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Only on page 160 of 190, so I don't know if this was answered but I wanted to post before I forget. Was it Microleague baseball? With a bunch of all-time teams? I spent a lot of time on that game in junior high on the Apple II.
Seems like we're going to keep going down this road until the answer changes. I thought it was over.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
I don't care if the rule is changed. I didn't care two weeks ago. I didn't tell you to stop whinning, but I was shocked that the conversation about it went on for page after page after page, especially when Koya even tried to take the discussion about it to the other thread.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
I wholeheartedly agree with this.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
PICK!
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Of course I............well............no.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
Alight, alright, I'm picking. Busy day and I've just now gotten to a computer. If Pumpnick would have gotten online last night, this wouldn't have happened.
OF Luis Gonzalez- bio
I tried doing a writeup for someone else, then changed my mind halfway. I'm just gonna submit this pick before I change my mind.
OF Luis Gonzalez- bio
I tried doing a writeup for someone else, then changed my mind halfway. I'm just gonna submit this pick before I change my mind.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
I think he was on your side.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
It'll be fun, but will it be fair?I think most of us can agree that WIS.com's convoluted system of measuring salary based on innings pitched/played is absolutely ridiculous and I think we should have an option of using a lower salary if it has better stats.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Bump. Someone has to have a math/stats background. Where is Pickles?Question for you math guys, if there are any here
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
Click on the bio. He played in 1990.EDIT: nevermind.
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Doug B
Footballguy
MLB debut in 1990, and his full rookie season was 1991.There is another Luis Gonzales who was a rookie in 2004.
Nipsey
Footballguy
STAN HACK 3B/1B
For most of the past four decades, the Cubs have been riding roughshod, but it wasn't always so. During Stan Hack's 16 years with the club, they played in four World Series, and the happy-go-lucky hot corner man was a big part of that success. He was the top lead-off batter of the 1930's, scoring at least 100 runs seven times. He was a smooth fielder, with an accurate if not shotgun arm. Stan Hack had a lifetime average of .301 and hit .348 in those World Series. He was a great bunter, and twice led the league in steals. Unlike most hitters of that era, Hack hit well to all fields. The Cubs of that era were fairly stable; first base was Charley Grimm, followed by Phil Cavaretta, both Chicago legends (Grimm managed during much of Hack's career), Billy Herman, who came up about the same time as Hack at second, Billy Jurges at short and Hack at third.
When Stan hit .352 at Sacramento in 1931, Cubs owner Bill Veeck Sr. himself went down there and signed him. By 1934 he was the Cubs' regular third baseman, where he would remain until 1943 when an unpopular old catcher named Jimmy Wilson took over the reins from Grimm. He was not only unpopular, he was also a bad manager, and after the season was over, Hack retired. But Grimm was back at the helm for '44, and he coaxed the popular Stan Hack back into playing. In '45 he had his best year, hitting .323--and helping the Cubs win their last pennant. It has been said that until Ernie Banks, Hack was the only Cub more popular than Grimm. In the early '30s this was a ballclub that liked the nightlife--Grimm, Pat Malone, Hack Wilson. As for Hack, he preferred staying at the hotel, having a few beers and talking baseball. Veeck found a way to take advantage of Grimm and his famous smile in 1935. One day he strolled through the stands, giving fans an article that had Stan¹s smile on one side, with the words "Smile With Stan Hack'' printed on it. The other side was a mirror. Soon Cub fans were shining the mirror in opposing player's faces and the umpires put an end to that! He was so popular that one player wryly commented "Stan has more friends than Leo Durocher has enemies." A great fielder, he led twice in fielding average and assists, and five times in putouts. He made the All Star teams of 1938, '39, '41, and '43. The prestigious Sporting News, the "Bible of Baseball" named him top third baseman in the majors for 1941, '42 and '43. When he retired, he had tied the record of 16 years as third baseman. He managed the Cubs without much success in the early '50s. Stan Hack died in 1979, a week after his 70th birthday.
For most of the past four decades, the Cubs have been riding roughshod, but it wasn't always so. During Stan Hack's 16 years with the club, they played in four World Series, and the happy-go-lucky hot corner man was a big part of that success. He was the top lead-off batter of the 1930's, scoring at least 100 runs seven times. He was a smooth fielder, with an accurate if not shotgun arm. Stan Hack had a lifetime average of .301 and hit .348 in those World Series. He was a great bunter, and twice led the league in steals. Unlike most hitters of that era, Hack hit well to all fields. The Cubs of that era were fairly stable; first base was Charley Grimm, followed by Phil Cavaretta, both Chicago legends (Grimm managed during much of Hack's career), Billy Herman, who came up about the same time as Hack at second, Billy Jurges at short and Hack at third.
When Stan hit .352 at Sacramento in 1931, Cubs owner Bill Veeck Sr. himself went down there and signed him. By 1934 he was the Cubs' regular third baseman, where he would remain until 1943 when an unpopular old catcher named Jimmy Wilson took over the reins from Grimm. He was not only unpopular, he was also a bad manager, and after the season was over, Hack retired. But Grimm was back at the helm for '44, and he coaxed the popular Stan Hack back into playing. In '45 he had his best year, hitting .323--and helping the Cubs win their last pennant. It has been said that until Ernie Banks, Hack was the only Cub more popular than Grimm. In the early '30s this was a ballclub that liked the nightlife--Grimm, Pat Malone, Hack Wilson. As for Hack, he preferred staying at the hotel, having a few beers and talking baseball. Veeck found a way to take advantage of Grimm and his famous smile in 1935. One day he strolled through the stands, giving fans an article that had Stan¹s smile on one side, with the words "Smile With Stan Hack'' printed on it. The other side was a mirror. Soon Cub fans were shining the mirror in opposing player's faces and the umpires put an end to that! He was so popular that one player wryly commented "Stan has more friends than Leo Durocher has enemies." A great fielder, he led twice in fielding average and assists, and five times in putouts. He made the All Star teams of 1938, '39, '41, and '43. The prestigious Sporting News, the "Bible of Baseball" named him top third baseman in the majors for 1941, '42 and '43. When he retired, he had tied the record of 16 years as third baseman. He managed the Cubs without much success in the early '50s. Stan Hack died in 1979, a week after his 70th birthday.
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Doug B
Footballguy
STRAW POLL
PROPOSED -- For the purpose of accurate simulation, each team owner may use a fourth or worse ranked season salary from Whatifsports.com for no more than four (4) players.
FOR
Doug B
Koya
Sammy
larry_boy
Kraft
lastresort66
AGAINST
Nipsey
mrharrier
Funkley
ABSTAIN
Spock
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PROPOSED -- For the purpose of accurate simulation, each team owner may use a fourth or worse ranked season salary from Whatifsports.com for no more than four (4) players.
FOR
Doug B
Koya
Sammy
larry_boy
Kraft
lastresort66
AGAINST
Nipsey
mrharrier
Funkley
ABSTAIN
Spock
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lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
I totally forgot this guy existed.Rick Aguilera
Need a guy who is a certified closer. 11th all-time in saves, and I'm pretty sure he's still around.
lastresort66
Crude Noisemaker
To each his own, I guess. For me, fun also equals doing it right.Against
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Doug B
Footballguy
Nipsey -- there's no "suddenly" about it. I think everyone's opinion is the same as it was two weeks ago (except maybe yours? It looked like you wrote that you were arguing for this two weeks ago).Re: Koya's separate thread -- nothing at all got decided there. The current proposal I have before the owners was the last post in that thread. I felt like it was a good enough idea to at least go through the trouble of gathering everyone's opinions.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
[preacher]If lovin' the Lord playing by the rules is wrong, I don't want to be right.To each his own, I guess. For me, fun also equals doing it right.Against
[/preacher]
Nipsey
Footballguy
I was for it, absolutely. But I brought it up when I first realized it could be a problem and was told a rule change wasn't going to happen. Hell, UConn almost made me quit because of it! I'm just saying why didn't anyone speak up when i brought it up two weeks ago? Where were you then? I've been drafting guys in certain slots because I was told we were using the third best year and only the third best year. Capella will agree with me. To change it now because you finally see the light is unfair.
Doug B
Footballguy
Badger -- is that database trying to normalize to the early 90s, or something?If it's trying to normalize to now, then current players should absolutely not be penalized.Question for you math guys, if there are any here
oso diablo
Footballguy
this was the guy that James has as his 9th ranked 3B. Nipsey is making a late-round surge, between this pick and the Enos "Country" Slaughter pick.
I don't think we can change the rules now, even if it seems right in hindsight.
