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[oso diablo]

Need names for three guys:Miller and Kramer from Pumpnick's team and Montgomery from Spartans. I think misspellings from the front page are screwing them up.

Also, Forster from Spock's team. Foster maybe?

This is what i have, along with their codes in that WinShares database...Stu Miller - millest01Ray Kremer - kremera01Terry Forster - forstte01Jeff Montgomery - montgje01

 

[Koya]

Answer: They are the only catchers in MLB history to have more than one .300 AVG| .400 OBP | .500 SLG season.

that's a good trivia question. In those eras, a 300/400/500 year roughly translates into at least a 140 OPS+. So i decided to see how many seasons (w/ at least 400 PAs) each catcher had with an OPS+ of 140 or higher.

9 - Piazza

5 - Hartnett

4 - Bench, Simmons

3 - Dickey, Torre, Campanella, Bresnahan

2 - Cochrane, Lombardi, Yogi, GCarter, EHoward, Freehan, Ewing, Tettleton

1 - Fisk, JLopez, Munson, Kelly, Daulton, Hargrave

The cutoffs are somewhat arbitrary, and a few guys (Ewing, most notably) would have had more years if the cutoffs were expanded even slightly.

No commentary, other than to ponder if we shouldn't start considering Mike Piazza as the greatest catcher of all-time. Can the defensive deficiency be nearly enough to offset the batting dominance?

Wow. I know how dominant Piazza was, but when you see it out there in such a stark way, you can no longer put up too much of an arguement.I will agree that a catcher can change the face of a game, defensively - perhaps more so than any other position player (in my opinion it isnt close). However, when you consider Piazza's defense really is not that bad other than his throwing out runners (which against some teams is a huge weakness and against others is barely a hindrance), then you have to include him as perhaps the best ever.

If you gave me the choice, I would take Bench first because of his presence, all around. Second, I would go Piazza.

 

[10993]

9 - Piazza

5 - Hartnett

4 - Bench, Simmons

3 - Dickey, Torre, Campanella, Bresnahan

2 - Cochrane, Lombardi, Yogi, GCarter, EHoward, Freehan, Ewing, Tettleton

1 - Fisk, JLopez, Munson, Kelly, Daulton, Hargrave

considering Mike Piazza as the greatest catcher of all-time

yup.

Can the defensive deficiency be nearly enough to offset the batting dominance?

nope. there is no defensive deficiency, by the way. only a throwing deficiency that influences people to believe that he's not a good fielder.

 

[Koya]

9 - Piazza

5 - Hartnett

4 - Bench, Simmons

3 - Dickey, Torre, Campanella, Bresnahan

2 - Cochrane, Lombardi, Yogi, GCarter, EHoward, Freehan, Ewing, Tettleton

1 - Fisk, JLopez, Munson, Kelly, Daulton, Hargrave

the greatest catcher of all-time

yup.

I mean, even the Piazza Owner says so. Where is that owned sign?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Need names for three guys:Miller and Kramer from Pumpnick's team and Montgomery from Spartans. I think misspellings from the front page are screwing them up.

Also, Forster from Spock's team. Foster maybe?

This is what i have, along with their codes in that WinShares database...Stu Miller - millest01Ray Kremer - kremera01Terry Forster - forstte01Jeff Montgomery - montgje01

That's the problem. On the front page they're listed with the wrong spelling or the wrong first name.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Hot off the presses. Here are the Total Win Shares by team based on the 3rd highest Win Shares season updated through the most recent pick.

This is NOT necessarily the season you're using in WIS. I'm still working on entering those.

Team WS

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Hot off the presses. Here are the Total Win Shares by team based on the 3rd highest Win Shares season updated through the most recent pick.

This is NOT necessarily the season you're using in WIS. I'm still working on entering those.

Team WS

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

 

[Capella]

Hot off the presses. Here are the Total Win Shares by team based on the 3rd highest Win Shares season updated through the most recent pick.

This is NOT necessarily the season you're using in WIS. I'm still working on entering those.

Team WS

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

Good stuff.Any way you can do career win shares or is that too time-consuming?

Be pretty interested in seeing that.

 

[Koya]

Hot off the presses. Here are the Total Win Shares by team based on the 3rd highest Win Shares season updated through the most recent pick.

This is NOT necessarily the season you're using in WIS. I'm still working on entering those.

Team WS

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

Good stuff.Any way you can do career win shares or is that too time-consuming?

Be pretty interested in seeing that.

Surprised how close it is overall. Nice work. So many ways to measure in baseball.

The raw numbers. Numbers vs. that era. Hall Of Fame. MVPs won. MVP top 5 or top 10 showings. Black Ink. Grey Ink. CY Youngs won. Batting Titles, Steals Titles, HR Titles. ERA. Adjusted ERA. Win Shares. Win Shares/162. Gold Gloves.

What I find interesting is how often they have to do with each other. Not always, but often.

Editted to add: and after using all those measurement tools, in the end, it comes down to what a lineup can do, together. A lot of HoF MVPs that strike out might not work as well as "lesser players" that manufacture runs. Or, some teams may crush an off speed pitcher, others have trouble. But, we do have all these numbers to work with.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Hot off the presses. Here are the Total Win Shares by team based on the 3rd highest Win Shares season updated through the most recent pick.

This is NOT necessarily the season you're using in WIS. I'm still working on entering those.

Team WS

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

Definitely interesting rankings. While by no means are they definitive, glad to see my team stacking up towards the top.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Hot off the presses. Here are the Total Win Shares by team based on the 3rd highest Win Shares season updated through the most recent pick.

This is NOT necessarily the season you're using in WIS. I'm still working on entering those.

Team WS

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

Good stuff.Any way you can do career win shares or is that too time-consuming?

Be pretty interested in seeing that.

Probably not too hard. Let me see if I can pump that one out real quick.

 

[Koya]

Any way you can do career win shares or is that too time-consuming?Be pretty interested in seeing that. Probably not too hard. Let me see if I can pump that one out real quick. If you can simply do a by /162 games, that is a great way to equalize longer vs. shorter careers also. If difficult, nevermind.

 

[UCONN]

Hot off the presses. Here are the Total Win Shares by team based on the 3rd highest Win Shares season updated through the most recent pick.

This is NOT necessarily the season you're using in WIS. I'm still working on entering those.

Team WS

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

Very cool, . I wouldn't mind seeing the batting/defensive/pitching splits, .

 

[lastresort66]

GWB, I posted somewhere a while back a list of all of my player's 3rd best seasons. Did you get that?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Team Career

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Mr. Pickles still on top but Capella moved up in the ranks.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

GWB, I posted somewhere a while back a list of all of my player's 3rd best seasons. Did you get that?

I think so. I'll proably have to get everyone to do it again anyway though. To save time I copied over the years in a few places.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

If you can simply do a by /162 games, that is a great way to equalize longer vs. shorter careers also. If difficult, nevermind.

I'll see if I can dig that up. If I have a spreadsheet with career games it shouldn't be hard.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Something to note in both listsespite all the propers, Nipsey is firmly in the middle of the pack. Great job, buddy!

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Team Career

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Mr. Pickles still on top but Capella moved up in the ranks.

:stillers:

 

[10993]

Team Career

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Mr. Pickles still on top but Capella moved up in the ranks.

This really drives home the point of some teams (Capella) picking guys with long careers but less brilliance, and some teams (Harrier) picking guys with much shorter careers.

 

[Koya]

Doug B on opposite sides of the list. Very high on career though. I have to look at his lineup. Long Careers/Compilers, or great depth, or something.My propensity to look for say 8-10 dominating years vs. 15-20 very good ones (personal taste) certainly shows in my dropping on career shares.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Team Career

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Mr. Pickles still on top but Capella moved up in the ranks.

This really drives home the point of some teams (Capella) picking guys with long careers but less brilliance, and some teams (Harrier) picking guys with much shorter careers.

It exposes the sim fisherman for what they really are.

 

[Koya]

Team Career

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Mr. Pickles still on top but Capella moved up in the ranks. 

This really drives home the point of some teams (Capella) picking guys with long careers but less brilliance, and some teams (Harrier) picking guys with much shorter careers.

It exposes the sim fisherman for what they really are.

:rotflmao: mrharrier does have a point.

it might not explain falling off the face of the rankings earth, but he does have a point.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Doug B on opposite sides of the list. Very high on career though. I have to look at his lineup. Long Careers/Compilers, or great depth, or something.My propensity to look for say 8-10 dominating years vs. 15-20 very good ones (personal taste) certainly shows in my dropping on career shares.

That's my tendency too, and I noticed we've been after a lot of the same players. Definitely the source of my giant drop on this list.The career average for 162 games would be very interesting to see, though perhaps hard to calculate.

 

[10993]

Team Career

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Mr. Pickles still on top but Capella moved up in the ranks.

This really drives home the point of some teams (Capella) picking guys with long careers but less brilliance, and some teams (Harrier) picking guys with much shorter careers.

It exposes the FFA Vote fisherman for what they really are.

yup

 

[10993]

Doug B on opposite sides of the list. Very high on career though. I have to look at his lineup. Long Careers/Compilers, or great depth, or something.My propensity to look for say 8-10 dominating years vs. 15-20 very good ones (personal taste) certainly shows in my dropping on career shares.

That's my tendency too, and I noticed we've been after a lot of the same players. Definitely the source of my giant drop on this list.The career average for 162 games would be very interesting to see, though perhaps hard to calculate.

I would love to see that.

 

[Koya]

Doug B on opposite sides of the list.  Very high on career though.  I have to look at his lineup.  Long Careers/Compilers, or great depth, or something.My propensity to look for say 8-10 dominating years vs. 15-20 very good ones (personal taste) certainly shows in my dropping on career shares.

That's my tendency too, and I noticed we've been after a lot of the same players. Definitely the source of my giant drop on this list.The career average for 162 games would be very interesting to see, though perhaps hard to calculate.

If I had a brain left, I would be able to explain the calculation, but there should be an easy way to get this from games played. edit thats a dumb fn formula. but im dummer

 

[Spartans Rule]

Doug B on opposite sides of the list.   Very high on career though.   I have to look at his lineup.  Long Careers/Compilers, or great depth, or something.My propensity to look for say 8-10 dominating years vs. 15-20 very good ones (personal taste) certainly shows in my dropping on career shares.

That's my tendency too, and I noticed we've been after a lot of the same players. Definitely the source of my giant drop on this list.The career average for 162 games would be very interesting to see, though perhaps hard to calculate.

If I had a brain left, I would be able to explain the calculation, but there should be an easy way to get this from games played. edit thats a dumb fn formula. but im dummer

It would be divided by games played and then multiplied by 162. Doesn't even have to be multiplied really, could just be Win Shares per game although I'd like to see higher numbers that look more meaningful.I'm just guessing Badger may not have the ability to crank this one out as quickly on his sheet. If he does, that would rule.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Here is a rough attempt at WS/162. Notice how much Harrier's team jumps here. His team obviously had guys with shorter, albeit brighter, careers. At least, that's what the data shows:

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

Pickles still very high. Cappy drops again :(

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I would love to see that.

It's up and you have every reason to want to see that.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I'm just guessing Badger may not have the ability to crank this one out as quickly on his sheet. If he does, that would rule.

I rule Hopefully, I have the right games played data. It should be close.

 

[Koya]

Here is rough attempt at WS/162. Notice how much Harrier's team jumps here. His team obviously had guys with shorter, albeit brighter, careers. At least, that's what the data shows:

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

Pickles still very high. Cappy drops again :(

I have to give Pick props for being top 3 in all charts. Best extended peak, equalized careers, peak years, longevity. Does this include pitching? (I presume it does)

 

[lastresort66]

Here is rough attempt at WS/162. Notice how much Harrier's team jumps here. His team obviously had guys with shorter, albeit brighter, careers. At least, that's what the data shows:

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

Pickles still very high. Cappy drops again :(

Wish I knew where I stood in this thing.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Does this include pitching? (I presume it does)

Yep, pitching included. I'm off for a bit. I'll check my games played numbers later but they should be pretty damn close.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Here is rough attempt at WS/162. Notice how much Harrier's team jumps here. His team obviously had guys with shorter, albeit brighter, careers. At least, that's what the data shows:

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

Pickles still very high. Cappy drops again :(

Wish I knew where I stood in this thing.

:rotflmao:

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Here is rough attempt at WS/162. Notice how much Harrier's team jumps here. His team obviously had guys with shorter, albeit brighter, careers. At least, that's what the data shows:

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

Pickles still very high. Cappy drops again :(

Wish I knew where I stood in this thing.

Holy ####. I didn't even notice you weren't on there. I'll add you now and post it. My bad, dude.

 

[Koya]

Here is rough attempt at WS/162. Notice how much Harrier's team jumps here. His team obviously had guys with shorter, albeit brighter, careers. At least, that's what the data shows:

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

Pickles still very high. Cappy drops again :(

Wish I knew where I stood in this thing.

:rotflmao:

Not liked anyone missed him.

 

[lastresort66]

Here is rough attempt at WS/162. Notice how much Harrier's team jumps here. His team obviously had guys with shorter, albeit brighter, careers. At least, that's what the data shows:

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

Pickles still very high. Cappy drops again :(

Wish I knew where I stood in this thing.

Holy ####. I didn't even notice you weren't on there. I'll add you now and post it. My bad, dude.

No problem. I'll castrate you later.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Two things I can take from the rankings:1. Obviously we all drafted for different things as you can see certain teams flying all over the rankings.2. Pickles team is awesome. Either that or drafted right off of Win Shares lists.

 

[Koya]

drafted right off of Win Shares lists.

We have a new kinda fisherman, folks.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Wish I knew where I stood in this thing.

Here you go:Team WS:

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

LastResort 623

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

Team Career:

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

LastResort 6724

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

LastResort 670

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

 

[lastresort66]

Wish I knew where I stood in this thing.

Here you go:Team WS:

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

LastResort 623

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

Team Career:

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

LastResort 6724

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

LastResort 670

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561

Perfectly average.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

No problem. I'll castrate you later.

Thanks, I think.I had your data in there I just didn't have you on the summary page.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Two things I can take from the rankings:1. Obviously we all drafted for different things as you can see certain teams flying all over the rankings.2. Pickles team is awesome. Either that or drafted right off of Win Shares lists.

Pickles knows his beisbol

 

[Spartans Rule]

Does this include pitching? (I presume it does)

Yep, pitching included. I'm off for a bit. I'll check my game played numbers later but they should be pretty damn close.

Darn. That would have been unreal if my offense came out that high.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

With regard to win shares:1. It's one metric. I don't particularly like reducing careers to one number, but it attempts to account for offense and defense.. so it's probably better than any other single number you can generate for a player.2. I didn't really factor in win shares when choosing my team. I looked at the numbers, sure, but I didn't base my team solely on this one factor. In fact, I went more by ERA+ and OPS+ than anything else. I thought it was critical to compare players to their era rather than just highlight raw numbers.3. I tried for a mix of longevity and peak performance. I think the overall WS numbers and per 162 game average bear that out.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Funkley's team is one of the most baffling on the lists.2nd in 3rd best season win shares. 5th in career win shares. 14th in win shares/162.I'm not sure if that reflects sim fishing, taking guys that hung around too long, or some combination of the two.

 

[Koya]

With regard to win shares:1. It's one metric. I don't particularly like reducing careers to one number, but it attempts to account for offense and defense.. so it's probably better than any other single number you can generate for a player.2. I didn't really factor in win shares when choosing my team. I looked at the numbers, sure, but I didn't base my team solely on this one factor. In fact, I went more by ERA+ and OPS+ than anything else. I thought it was critical to compare players to their era rather than just highlight raw numbers.3. I tried for a mix of longevity and peak performance. I think the overall WS numbers and per 162 game average bear that out.

Sounds good to me. Like you, I focused a lot on the + stats, because that really helps equalize different era's. I also looked to where players finished in their era in terms of batting titles, HR titles and other titles, along with "awards" - which we know are political, but to gain an MVP means you have reached a certain plataeu. If you have that along with other numbers, it says something to me. Likewise, to have 5 batting titles means more than batting say .330 lifetime, because you did something better than all your peers for that year. Likewise top 3 and top 5 finishes in important stat categories.

 

[UCONN]

I'll bet Spock way outperforms those win share numbers. I liked his idea of tailoring his team towards his park (and many other parks) and paying attention to lefty/righty splits. Teams that have high strikeout totals will underperform imo (tons of strikeout pitchers, plus parks that put contact at a premium over power) also teams that didn't pay attention to lefty/righty match-ups might struggle. Early on everybody talked about how there'd be more lefty pitching in this than a normal league and some teams still packed their teams w/ lefty hitters. You let Sandy Koufax face a lefty every other batter and I don't think you'll do too well.

 

[Koya]

I'll bet Spock way outperforms those win share numbers. I liked his idea of tailoring his team towards his park (and many other parks) and paying attention to lefty/righty splits. Teams that have high strikeout totals will underperform imo (tons of strikeout pitchers, plus parks that put contact at a premium over power) also teams that didn't pay attention to lefty/righty match-ups might struggle. Early on everybody talked about how there'd be more lefty pitching in this than a normal league and some teams still packed their teams w/ lefty hitters. You let Sandy Koufax face a lefty every other batter and I don't think you'll do too well.

I agree that teams like Spocks are not reflected well in Win Shares. The nature of Speed teams would seem to dictate that. However, it could be a great lineup, all together.Strikeouts are something to be careful about if you have too many K's in a lineup against a K machine pitcher - but I am not sure the R/L will be TOO much a factor. We probably all have a core 4-6 players that are going to be in that lineup, regardless. I suppose if you have too many Lefty bats, it might be an issue. That is why they play the games. Or simulate them, at least.