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I'll bet Spock way outperforms those win share numbers.  I liked his idea of tailoring his team towards his park (and many other parks) and paying attention to lefty/righty splits.  Teams that have high strikeout totals will underperform imo (tons of strikeout pitchers, plus parks that put contact at a premium over power) also teams that didn't pay attention to lefty/righty match-ups might struggle.  Early on everybody talked about how there'd be more lefty pitching in this than a normal league and some teams still packed their teams w/ lefty hitters.  You let Sandy Koufax face a lefty every other batter and I don't think you'll do too well.
I agree that teams like Spocks are not reflected well in Win Shares. The nature of Speed teams would seem to dictate that. However, it could be a great lineup, all together.Strikeouts are something to be careful about if you have too many K's in a lineup against a K machine pitcher - but I am not sure the R/L will be TOO much a factor. We probably all have a core 4-6 players that are going to be in that lineup, regardless. I suppose if you have too many Lefty bats, it might be an issue. That is why they play the games. Or simulate them, at least.
Lefty's face 2 left-handed bats against me. Righty's face 3 right-handed bats. That was very much on purpose. On certain days (like when Tris needs a rest) I'll have an all-righty line-up vs lefties...and can actually go to an all-lefty line-up vs righty's. If you don't think a guy like Koufax has a HUGE advantage against a line-up w/ a ton of fixed lefty bats..... :unsure:
 
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I'll bet Spock way outperforms those win share numbers.  I liked his idea of tailoring his team towards his park (and many other parks) and paying attention to lefty/righty splits.  Teams that have high strikeout totals will underperform imo (tons of strikeout pitchers, plus parks that put contact at a premium over power) also teams that didn't pay attention to lefty/righty match-ups might struggle.  Early on everybody talked about how there'd be more lefty pitching in this than a normal league and some teams still packed their teams w/ lefty hitters.  You let Sandy Koufax face a lefty every other batter and I don't think you'll do too well.
I agree that teams like Spocks are not reflected well in Win Shares. The nature of Speed teams would seem to dictate that. However, it could be a great lineup, all together.Strikeouts are something to be careful about if you have too many K's in a lineup against a K machine pitcher - but I am not sure the R/L will be TOO much a factor. We probably all have a core 4-6 players that are going to be in that lineup, regardless. I suppose if you have too many Lefty bats, it might be an issue. That is why they play the games. Or simulate them, at least.
Lefty's face 2 left-handed bats against me. Righty's face 3 right-handed bats. That was very much on purpose. On certain days (like when Tris needs a rest) I'll have an all-righty line-up vs lefties...and can actually go to an all-lefty line-up vs righty's. If you don't think a guy like Koufax has a HUGE advantage against a line-up w/ a ton of fixed lefty bats..... :unsure:
While I agree with you that Koufax will have a great advantage against lefties, how often do you want to take a Larry Mize out of the lineup? I dont want to do that. In a game where many of us have a core of 4-5 just great players, I dont think you will see much platooning, in general. After that, I would agree. I would certainly put Billy Herman ® against Koufax, rather than Nellie Fox (L), all else being equal.I did draft with the desire to have enough L/R flexibility, but I was not willing to take a worse player because of it. I am not sitting Schmidt, Mize, or ARod, because of a matchup. Maybe I will be shown otherwise and will have to reconsider.
 
Who is up, by the way? I cant even find our place. At least we had some nice baseball talk.edit: mrharrier makes me blush.

 
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Round 24 summary for the Morning Crew:

24 369 Larryboy 1B Andres Gallaraga

24 370 Spartans 1B Dolph Camilli

24 371 UCONN SS Jim Fregosi

24 372 Kraft SS/2B/3B Dave Concepcion

24 373 funkley SP/RP Camilo Pascual

24 374 Koya C Bubbles Hargrave

24 375 bogart on the clock

24 376 Doug B on deck

24 377 Harrier in the hole

24 378 Pickles

24 379 Sammy3469

24 380 Nipsey

24 381 Capella

24 382 lastresort

24 383 Spock

24 384 pumpnick
Bump
 
So i decided to see how many seasons (w/ at least 400 PAs) each catcher had with an OPS+ of 140 or higher.9 - Piazza5 - Hartnett4 - Bench, Simmons3 - Dickey, Torre, Campanella, Bresnahan2 - Cochrane, Lombardi, Yogi, GCarter, EHoward, Freehan, Ewing, Tettleton1 - Fisk, JLopez, Munson, Kelly, Daulton, HargraveThe cutoffs are somewhat arbitrary, and a few guys (Ewing, most notably) would have had more years if the cutoffs were expanded even slightly.
Been worried about the parameter selection bias (400 PAs / 140 OPS+), so i thought i'd take a 2nd look with the slightly expanded criteria. For this pass, i'll take at least 350 PAs and an OPS+ of 135 or higher.10 - Piazza7 - Ewing5 - Hartnett, Yogi, Simmons, Lombardi4 - Dickey, Bench, GCarter, Torre, Campanella3 - Bresnahan, Fisk, Freehan, Tettleton, Schang*2 - Cochrane, EHoward, Daulton, Hargrave1 - JLopez, Munson, Kelly, Burgess*, Parrish** Did not appear on previous listEwing, Lombardi, and Yogi make the big jumps.
 
24.7 - Jim Sundberg - C

Needed a backup catcher, and could do worse than the best Ranger catcher ever, not named Pudge.

Hitting was nothing special, but was a three time All-Star and a 6 Time Gold Glove winner. Plus the guy is a class act that won't mind sitting the bench.

Sorry about any delays. I keep forgetting that this thing moves faster than I expect during the weekends.

 
Been worried about the parameter selection bias (400 PAs / 140 OPS+), so i thought i'd take a 2nd look with the slightly expanded criteria. For this pass, i'll take at least 350 PAs and an OPS+ of 135 or higher.

10 - Piazza

7 - Ewing

5 - Hartnett, Yogi, Simmons, Lombardi

4 - Dickey, Bench, GCarter, Torre, Campanella

3 - Bresnahan, Fisk, Freehan, Tettleton, Schang*

2 - Cochrane, EHoward, Daulton, Hargrave

1 - JLopez, Munson, Kelly, Burgess*, Parrish*

* Did not appear on previous list

Ewing, Lombardi, and Yogi make the big jumps.
I like that list. Especially for the earlier days, it was simply harder to play so many games - or years. Much better protection, training, health care over the last 5, 15, 30 and 50 years than before.

(And my Bubbles gets a little bump as well ;) )

I am surprised Daulton is that high. I thought him to have too low an average.
 
Wish I knew where I stood in this thing.

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Here you go:Team WS:

Pickles 662

Funkley 661

Koya 660

Kraft 647

Spartans 635

Sammy 627

Uconn 626

LastResort 623

Nipsey 622

Pumpnick 619

LarryBoy 608

Harrier 601

Spock 575

Bogart 549

Capella 541

DougB 537

Team Career:

Pickles 7314

DougB 7188

Capella 7128

Sammy 6999

Funkley 6844

Kraft 6829

LarryBoy 6763

Koya 6757

Nipsey 6733

LastResort 6724

Bogart 6680

Uconn 6359

Pumpnick 6334

Spartans 6309

Spock 5642

Harrier 5477

Team WS/162:

Koya 770

Harrier 758

Pickles 728

Bogart 727

Spartans 714

Kraft 705

LarryBoy 703

Pumpnick 694

Sammy 686

Nipsey 674

LastResort 670

Capella 662

DougB 658

Funkley 656

Uconn 649

Spock 561
4-6-6 pretty consistant :thumbup: I really didn't use Win Shares at all in my drafting strategy, the adjusted numbers(OPS+ ERA+) played a big factor but I basically went with guys who's games I liked. It was much easier for the first 15 or so picks, after that I did a little more digging into the numbers.

Good Job GWB, appreciate the effort on your part. :bow:

 
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Nipsey?

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Nipsey?
Did Nipper get a TO or was he officially banned?
 
Round 24 summary for the Morning Crew:

24 369 Larryboy 1B Andres Gallaraga

24 370 Spartans 1B Dolph Camilli

24 371 UCONN SS Jim Fregosi

24 372 Kraft SS/2B/3B Dave Concepcion

24 373 funkley SP/RP Camilo Pascual

24 374 Koya C Bubbles Hargrave

24 375 bogart C Jim Sundberg

24 376 Doug B P Rob Dibble

24 377 Harrier 2B Bid McPhee

24 378 Pickles on the clock

24 379 Sammy3469 on deck

24 380 Nipsey in the hole

24 381 Capella

24 382 lastresort

24 383 Spock

24 384 pumpnick

 
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Bring back Nipsey. :(
So no one really knows what happened?
:shrug:I got your PM. The answer is, I don't know.
Ok Cap. Thx. Question for everyone then - in the rules, we said each team would draft at least 3 starters, 2 relievers... what constitutes a reliever - someone that had relief appearances in a year, or just someone we "designate" as reliever only, so two pitchers on our rosters are available ONLY for relief? do we even have an idea?tiawe need a :RIP:
 
Piazza wedding pics...Link
Al Leiter's name is spelled wrong.Yeah, that's the first thing I noticed. :nerd:
they spelled it Liter...its not like it was just mispelled, they KILLED it...I woulda noticed it first...its also the picture right at eye level when you opened the page...so, your not a nerd for noticing... Your just like everyone else... :rotflmao:
 
While I find the Win shares stuff interesting, I know I didn't draft with it specifically in mind. I have a problem with trying to disaggregate a whole on the basis on stats. I have a bigger problem going back and placing today's values on what's valuable onto eras that viewed the game differently. I have a hard time believeing guys like Banks or Clemente or Rice would not have adjusted their games to match what GMs viewed as valuable. I also want to say that I'm a little stunned Pickles is first in all these things. I would have guessed Koya, but what do I know.

 
While I find the Win shares stuff interesting, I know I didn't draft with it specifically in mind. I have a problem with trying to disaggregate a whole on the basis on stats. I have a bigger problem going back and placing today's values on what's valuable onto eras that viewed the game differently. I have a hard time believeing guys like Banks or Clemente or Rice would not have adjusted their games to match what GMs viewed as valuable. I also want to say that I'm a little stunned Pickles is first in all these things. I would have guessed Koya, but what do I know.
Since Nipsey isnt here (he HAS to be banned. I dont think he has the power to stay away from this thread), I suppose I will have to say thanks for the props sammy. ;) Win shares, like any stat/tool is just one of many ways to measure a player. Win Shares alone dont mean a player/group of players is better, just as number of MVPs, or HoF inductees, or combined OPS+ alone do so. However, if you look at the Win Share numbers along with those other factors and then a little subjective "this guy/team/lineup is better" then you probably have a good idea.However, taken in context with everything else, Win Shares happens to be one good indicator of a players value. Personally, I am a win shares/162 guy because that best approxiamtes the value a player brings to one game. However, something can be said for a long career as well, so I wont totally ignore career win shares (i.e. Eddie Murray, Pete Rose). Some may give more value to a player on a given day vs. total career compilations, as well.One more note which win shares - or any other stat - tells us little about. A lineup. If you have the most win shares, but have all power hitting slow running high strike out players, then you arent going to manufacture the runs like a lower win share team that has the right roles in a lineup.Just my .02 to start the day.Now, as a test for Nipsey.Lebron James is simply the greatest player ever. I think everyone was a fool to let him drop out of the first round (aka... "Here Nipsey Nipsey, Here Nipsey Nipsey")
 

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