***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (3 Viewers)

[Koya]

We should be able to get into discussion about full lineups and even some matchups.. woo hoo!

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

While I find the Win shares stuff interesting, I know I didn't draft with it specifically in mind. I have a problem with trying to disaggregate a whole on the basis on stats. I have a bigger problem going back and placing today's values on what's valuable onto eras that viewed the game differently. I have a hard time believeing guys like Banks or Clemente or Rice would not have adjusted their games to match what GMs viewed as valuable. I also want to say that I'm a little stunned Pickles is first in all these things. I would have guessed Koya, but what do I know.

Win Shares is supposed to include park effects & eras. They should be a pretty reasonable representation of their ability compared to any other player no matter when they played.That said, they are NOT the be all and end all of statistics.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

If you have the most win shares, but have all power hitting slow running high strike out players, then you arent going to manufacture the runs like a lower win share team that has the right roles in a lineup.

I agree with Koya on everything except for this.You can have any lineup you want and I'll take nine Babe Ruths or nine Barry Bonds and I'll beat the snot out of you, in an extended series or period, every single time.

 

[Koya]

If you have the most win shares, but have all power hitting slow running high strike out players, then you arent going to manufacture the runs like a lower win share team that has the right roles in a lineup.

I agree with Koya on everything except for this.You can have any lineup you want and I'll take nine Babe Ruths or nine Barry Bonds and I'll beat the snot out of you, in an extended series or period, every single time.

Well, if you are going to take the TWO BEST hitters EVER!!!!If we are talking about say some high win share .275/.360 hitters who strike out 120+ times a year and dont havce speed on the basepaths, I would prefer to have less win shares, but a couple higher on base/low strike out guys.I would prefer Lou Brock, Tony Lazzeri, Mark Grace and 4-5 Stargells vs. all Stargell type batters even if the latter has considerably higher win shares.I will also add that except for very short careers or very long ones (some adjustment should be made for both) win share/162 evens the playing field pretty well. Especially for the Joe Ds of the world that lost 3 prime years do to war (and many great players did)

 

[Doug B]

Nipsey ON THE CLOCK

So what are we doing about Nipsey? Any of his Jihad affiliates going to draft for him?

Give him a closer. He needs a good one.

I think all the good ones are gone. "Wild Thing" anyone??

Nipsey does not have backups at either SS or 2B. His pitching is set....

Surely there is someone out there who can make two picks for Nipsey? If Badger will do it, that would be cool. Or oso.

.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

If we are talking about say some high win share .275/.360 hitters who strike out 120+ times a year and dont havce speed on the basepaths, I would prefer to have less win shares, but a couple higher on base/low strike out guys.I would prefer Lou Brock, Tony Lazzeri, Mark Grace and 4-5 Stargells vs. all Stargell type batters even if the latter has considerably higher win shares.

Well, then that's different. I agree. But don't forget that Win Shares include defense. Maybe not the greatest method for calculating defense but it is included.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Nipsey ON THE CLOCK

So what are we doing about Nipsey? Any of his Jihad affiliates going to draft for him?

Give him a closer. He needs a good one.

I think all the good ones are gone. "Wild Thing" anyone??

Nipsey does not have backups at either SS or 2B. His pitching is set....

Surely there is someone out there who can make two picks for Nipsey? If Badger will do it, that would be cool. Or oso.

.

Oso left me a PM with his pick for Nipsey if he was allowed to make it.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

If this is allowed, here is oso's pick for Nipsey:

Dave Bancroft - SS. Hall of Famer. Switch-hitter.

Win Shares = 23/162

 

[Koya]

If we are talking about say some high win share .275/.360 hitters who strike out 120+ times a year and dont havce speed on the basepaths, I would prefer to have less win shares, but a couple higher on base/low strike out guys.I would prefer Lou Brock, Tony Lazzeri, Mark Grace and 4-5 Stargells vs. all Stargell type batters even if the latter has considerably higher win shares.

Well, then that's different. I agree. But don't forget that Win Shares include defense. Maybe not the greatest method for calculating defense but it is included.

Yes, I do like the fact they include defense. The one thing they do not discern is "role" - i.e. power hitter, average hitter, speed on the base paths. When building a team/lineup, as mentioned, 8 stargells could be a disaster. 8 Barry Bonds wouldnt be.

 

[Koya]

If this is allowed, here is oso's pick for Nipsey:

Dave Bancroft - SS. Hall of Famer. Switch-hitter.

Win Shares = 23/162

Is he a 5 year minimum MLB player? If so, he is good to go (and when Nips returns he can certainly change the pick Id think, to someone not chosen).

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

If this is allowed, here is oso's pick for Nipsey:

Dave Bancroft - SS. Hall of Famer. Switch-hitter.

Win Shares = 23/162

Is he a 5 year minimum MLB player? If so, he is good to go (and when Nips returns he can certainly change the pick Id think, to someone not chosen).

He had 1900 or so games so I'm guessing he played at least 5 years.

 

[Kraft...]

If this is allowed, here is oso's pick for Nipsey:

Dave Bancroft - SS. Hall of Famer. Switch-hitter.

Win Shares = 23/162

Well, Cappy is up now anyway so when he gets in we can see if Nipsey made any contact with the commish after his reprimand regarding picks etc. One For Nipsey

 

[Sammy3469]

While I find the Win shares stuff interesting, I know I didn't draft with it specifically in mind. I have a problem with trying to disaggregate a whole on the basis on stats. I have a bigger problem going back and placing today's values on what's valuable onto eras that viewed the game differently. I have a hard time believeing guys like Banks or Clemente or Rice would not have adjusted their games to match what GMs viewed as valuable. I also want to say that I'm a little stunned Pickles is first in all these things. I would have guessed Koya, but what do I know.

Win Shares is supposed to include park effects & eras. They should be pretty reasonable representation of their ability compared to any other player no matter when they played.

I know that it includes those things...my point is that Win Shares is based on stats, stats which James believes for a whole multitude of reasons are the best approximation of wins. That's all well and good. My problem isn't with those stats, but the fact your applying those stats to games that were played without those stats being important. Your essentially putting your 2000 framework on a 1950 season. You can do that to a limited extent, but the 1950's game was not played the same way as the 2000 game. So even though your standardizing the 1950's stats, your doing it based on 2000 biases (and I know we believe the 2000 biases to be the "true" portrait). I have a hard time believing that if Ernie Banks (the only reason I'm using him is I know he's pitifully low in the Win Shares numbers) would have known 40 years ago that Win Share would value X,Y, and Z more than A,B and C, he couldn't have adjusted his game to be rewarded for X, Y, and Z. He played in an era that didn't believe outs were that serious and more importantly on a team that wanted him to swing for the fences or do A,B, and C. Like Koya said, its a tool and I don't think we should get bogged down in it.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

So i decided to see how many seasons (w/ at least 400 PAs) each catcher had with an OPS+ of 140 or higher.9 - Piazza5 - Hartnett4 - Bench, Simmons3 - Dickey, Torre, Campanella, Bresnahan2 - Cochrane, Lombardi, Yogi, GCarter, EHoward, Freehan, Ewing, Tettleton1 - Fisk, JLopez, Munson, Kelly, Daulton, HargraveThe cutoffs are somewhat arbitrary, and a few guys (Ewing, most notably) would have had more years if the cutoffs were expanded even slightly.

Been worried about the parameter selection bias (400 PAs / 140 OPS+), so i thought i'd take a 2nd look with the slightly expanded criteria. For this pass, i'll take at least 350 PAs and an OPS+ of 135 or higher.10 - Piazza7 - Ewing5 - Hartnett, Yogi, Simmons, Lombardi4 - Dickey, Bench, GCarter, Torre, Campanella3 - Bresnahan, Fisk, Freehan, Tettleton, Schang*2 - Cochrane, EHoward, Daulton, Hargrave1 - JLopez, Munson, Kelly, Burgess*, Parrish** Did not appear on previous listEwing, Lombardi, and Yogi make the big jumps.

Thought I'd see Pudge on this list. I looked him up and only found 2 seasons that fit your criteria. I guess I have an overblown view of how good I think he is. 400 walks in 14 seasons doesn't help him one bit.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

While I find the Win shares stuff interesting, I know I didn't draft with it specifically in mind.  I have a problem with trying to disaggregate a whole on the basis on stats.  I have a bigger problem going back and placing today's values on what's valuable onto eras that viewed the game differently. I have a hard time believeing guys like Banks or Clemente or Rice would not have adjusted their games to match what GMs viewed as valuable. I also want to say that I'm a little stunned Pickles is first in all these things.  I would have guessed Koya, but what do I know.

Win Shares is supposed to include park effects & eras. They should be pretty reasonable representation of their ability compared to any other player no matter when they played.

I know that it includes those things...my point is that Win Shares is based on stats, stats which James believes for a whole multitude of reasons are the best approximation of wins. That's all well and good. My problem isn't with those stats, but the fact your applying those stats to games that were played without those stats being important. Your essentially putting your 2000 framework on a 1950 season. You can do that to a limited extent, but the 1950's game was not played the same way as the 2000 game. So even though your standardizing the 1950's stats, your doing it based on 2000 biases (and I know we believe the 2000 biases to be the "true" portrait). I have a hard time believing that if Ernie Banks (the only reason I'm using him is I know he's pitifully low in the Win Shares numbers) would have known 40 years ago that Win Share would value X,Y, and Z more than A,B and C, he couldn't have adjusted his game to be rewarded for X, Y, and Z. He played in an era that didn't believe outs were that serious and more importantly on a team that wanted him to swing for the fences or do A,B, and C. Like Koya said, its a tool and I don't think we should get bogged down in it.

I agree that it isn't the only tool to use in measuring player performance but it probably is as good or better than anything else that we currently have available. I would certainly trust it over an FFA vote.Win Shares incorporates so many different stats to get to that final number that it doesn't really matter what Ernie Banks, or anyone else, thought was important. He was what he was.

 

[Funkley]

If this is allowed, here is oso's pick for Nipsey:

Dave Bancroft - SS. Hall of Famer. Switch-hitter.

Win Shares = 23/162

Well, Cappy is up now anyway so when he gets in we can see if Nipsey made any contact with the commish after his reprimand regarding picks etc. One For Nipsey

 

[Doug B]

We should be able to get into discussion about full lineups and even some matchups.. woo hoo!

I've worked out six batting orders for my team so far:Home vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Home vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R

Big Parks vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

OF Jesse Burkett (12.08) L

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

SS Joe Sewell (17.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Big Parks vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

OF Jesse Burkett (12.08) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

3B George Brett (3.09) L

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R

Small Parks vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Ted Kluszewski (19.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Small Parks vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R



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[Doug B]

23 353 pumpnick OF Zack Wheat

23 354 Spock C Darren Daulton

23 355 lastresort C Todd Zeile

23 356 Capella 2B Bill Mazeroski

23 357 Nipsey C King Kelly

23 358 Sammy3469 1B Fred McGriff

23 359 Pickles 3B Darrell Evans

23 360 Harrier SP Les Lancaster

23 361 Doug B 2B Buddy Myer

23 362 bogart RP Orval Overall

23 363 Koya 1B Steve Garvey

23 364 funkley 1B Gil Hodges

23 365 Kraft C Lance Parrish

23 366 UCONN OF Ken Singleton

23 367 Spartans 1B Frank Chance

23 368 Larryboy SP John Clarkson

24 369 Larryboy 1B Andres Gallaraga

24 370 Spartans 1B Dolph Camilli

24 371 UCONN SS Jim Fregosi

24 372 Kraft SS Dave Concepcion

24 373 funkley SP Camilo Pascual

24 374 Koya C Bubbles Hargrave

24 375 bogart C Jim Sundberg

24 376 Doug B RP Rob Dibble

24 377 Harrier 2B Bid McPhee

24 378 Pickles 2B Chuck Knoblauch

24 379 Sammy3469 SS Phil Rizzuto

24 380 Nipsey SS Dave Bancroft

24 381 Capella on the clock

24 382 lastresort on deck

24 383 Spock in the hole

24 384 pumpnick

 

[Funkley]

We should be able to get into discussion about full lineups and even some matchups.. woo hoo!

I've worked out six batting orders for my team so far:Home vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Home vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R

Big Parks vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

OF Jesse Burkett (12.08) L

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

SS Joe Sewell (17.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Big Parks vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

OF Jesse Burkett (12.08) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

3B George Brett (3.09) L

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R

Small Parks vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Ted Kluszewski (19.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Small Parks vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R



.

Wow...... .

 

[Koya]

If this is allowed, here is oso's pick for Nipsey:

Dave Bancroft - SS. Hall of Famer. Switch-hitter.

Win Shares = 23/162

Well, Cappy is up now anyway so when he gets in we can see if Nipsey made any contact with the commish after his reprimand regarding picks etc. One For Nipsey

 

[Kraft...]

We should be able to get into discussion about full lineups and even some matchups.. woo hoo!

I've worked out six batting orders for my team so far:Home vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Home vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R

Big Parks vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

OF Jesse Burkett (12.08) L

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

SS Joe Sewell (17.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Big Parks vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

OF Jesse Burkett (12.08) L

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

3B George Brett (3.09) L

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R

Small Parks vs R

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

1B Ted Kluszewski (19.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Smoky Burgess (22.08) L

Small Parks vs L

OF Tim Raines (4.08) S

SS Alan Trammell (9.09) R

1B Eddie Murray (5.09) S

OF Stan Musial (1.09) L

OF Sammy Sosa (8.08) R

3B George Brett (3.09) L

2B Ryne Sandberg (6.08) R

C Ernie Lombardi (11.09) R



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So I guess you're trying to say Tim Raines will be leading off for you then

 

[Doug B]

I don't have a lineup full of bad-mamma-jammas that I can plug in day in and day out. If this team is going to do anything in the sim, I'm going to have to manage my tail off....Raines at lead-off, Musial at clean-up, and Sandberg in the seven hole are the constants. Everyone else moves around a little bit or is part of some kind of platoon..

 

[Capella]

this thing still going on?

 

[Sammy3469]

this thing still going on?

The 8-ball says maybe

 

[Kraft...]

this thing still going on?

Yes round 24 and you're up.Any word from Nipsey? A pick was just made for him we weren't sure if he was still drafting via e-mails to you or something.

 

[Doug B]

this thing still going on?

I couldn't keep picking for you ... you've got some positional issues your last list didn't real address..

 

[Capella]

this thing still going on?

Yes round 24 and you're up.Any word from Nipsey? A pick was just made for him we weren't sure if he was still drafting via e-mails to you or something.

haven't heard from him.I saw we stall the draft and wait for him, and keep bumping this thread to the top. Surely the mods will eventually relent and let him back.

 

[Capella]

this thing still going on?

I couldn't keep picking for you ... you've got some positional issues your last list didn't real address..

you mean the no backup catcher issue?

 

[Doug B]

this thing still going on?

Yes round 24 and you're up.Any word from Nipsey? A pick was just made for him we weren't sure if he was still drafting via e-mails to you or something.

I've recorded Oso's pick. Being that it's Cap's pick, he can make an executive decision to either (a) contact Nipsey via e-mail, or (b) find an alternate owner.Or something else..

 

[Koya]

As we rap up, I do have that thread somewhere where all the rosters can be put in the 2nd reply (Ill just edit them in). If we want to use that, let me know.We aint letting this die in the last freakin round (as I recall, the NBA draft had a tough last couple of rounds as well)

 

[Doug B]

this thing still going on?

I couldn't keep picking for you ... you've got some positional issues your last list didn't real address..

you mean the no backup catcher issue?

Not that ... another position.

 

[Capella]

this thing still going on?

Yes round 24 and you're up.Any word from Nipsey? A pick was just made for him we weren't sure if he was still drafting via e-mails to you or something.

I've recorded Oso's pick. Being that it's Cap's pick, he can make an executive decision to either (a) contact Nipsey via e-mail, or (b) find an alternate owner.Or something else..

I went with the 'something else' option.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...ST&f=4&t=142249

 

[Koya]

this thing still going on?

Yes round 24 and you're up.Any word from Nipsey? A pick was just made for him we weren't sure if he was still drafting via e-mails to you or something.

I've recorded Oso's pick. Being that it's Cap's pick, he can make an executive decision to either (a) contact Nipsey via e-mail, or (b) find an alternate owner.Or something else..

I see no reason to replace Nipsey - at the worst, he can communicate via email and they have forums on the sim. SOmeone might have to act as a conduit for the FFA vote though.

 

[Doug B]

We aint letting this die in the last freakin round (as I recall, the NBA draft had a tough last couple of rounds as well)

It's not dying, and the pace here was fine before the weekend. It's just that one of the drafters went and got banned.

 

[Koya]

Also, when Cap gets axed, who will take his place?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I've recorded Oso's pick. Being that it's Cap's pick, he can make an executive decision to either (a) contact Nipsey via e-mail, or (b) find an alternate owner.

Just check the T.J. Hooker Fan Club boards. His handle there is Zmed Head.

 

[Funkley]

Also, when Cap gets axed, who will take his place?

If Cap gets banned we're gonna have to move this to Tangent or something. I could set up some tables in my garage and get some beer.

 

[Sammy3469]

My lineups are pretty setAgainst righties:2B Carew LOF Delahanty ROF Williams L3B Mathews LSS Banks ROF Averill LC Campanella R1B Brouthers LAgainst lefties:OF Delahanty R2B Doerr ROF Williams LSS Banks R3B Mathews LC Campy ROF Johnson/Murphy R1B Brouthers/McGriff L My lineup against righties is more set (I can sub in McGriff for Brouthers if mre power is called for) than my lineup against lefties. I can go all righties and Williams and a 1B if I want.

 

[Capella]

Also, when Cap gets axed, who will take his place?

If Cap gets banned we're gonna have to move this to Tangent or something. I could set up some tables in my garage and get some beer.

 

[Koya]

Also, when Cap gets axed, who will take his place?

If Cap gets banned we're gonna have to move this to Tangent or something. I could set up some tables in my garage and get some beer.

Ill bring a couple 6'ers.edit to add: and the strat sheets. you got dice?

 

[Funkley]

you got dice?

Yup.

 

[Capella]

Can somebody (Doug) post the most updated list and I'll put it on page 1?

 

[Capella]

nevermind, found it

 

[Doug B]

23 353 pumpnick OF Zack Wheat

23 354 Spock C Darren Daulton

23 355 lastresort C Todd Zeile

23 356 Capella 2B Bill Mazeroski

23 357 Nipsey C King Kelly

23 358 Sammy3469 1B Fred McGriff

23 359 Pickles 3B Darrell Evans

23 360 Harrier SP Les Lancaster

23 361 Doug B 2B Buddy Myer

23 362 bogart RP Orval Overall

23 363 Koya 1B Steve Garvey

23 364 funkley 1B Gil Hodges

23 365 Kraft C Lance Parrish

23 366 UCONN OF Ken Singleton

23 367 Spartans 1B Frank Chance

23 368 Larryboy SP John Clarkson

24 369 Larryboy 1B Andres Gallaraga

24 370 Spartans 1B Dolph Camilli

24 371 UCONN SS Jim Fregosi

24 372 Kraft SS Dave Concepcion

24 373 funkley SP Camilo Pascual

24 374 Koya C Bubbles Hargrave

24 375 bogart C Jim Sundberg

24 376 Doug B RP Rob Dibble

24 377 Harrier 2B Bid McPhee

24 378 Pickles 2B Chuck Knoblauch

24 379 Sammy3469 SS Phil Rizzuto

24 380 Nipsey SS Dave Bancroft

24 381 Capella on the clock

24 382 lastresort on deck

24 383 Spock in the hole

24 384 pumpnick

:bump: from the previous page:

 

[Koya]

Did we ever get a consensus on what constitutes a "relief pitcher" - since that is such a vague term and since almost every pitcher has done some relief? Or are we simply designating two pitchers on our squad to "have to" be relief pitchers?

 

[Capella]

23 353 pumpnick OF Zack Wheat

23 354 Spock C Darren Daulton

23 355 lastresort C Todd Zeile

23 356 Capella 2B Bill Mazeroski

23 357 Nipsey C King Kelly

23 358 Sammy3469 1B Fred McGriff

23 359 Pickles 3B Darrell Evans

23 360 Harrier SP Les Lancaster

23 361 Doug B 2B Buddy Myer

23 362 bogart RP Orval Overall

23 363 Koya 1B Steve Garvey

23 364 funkley 1B Gil Hodges

23 365 Kraft C Lance Parrish

23 366 UCONN OF Ken Singleton

23 367 Spartans 1B Frank Chance

23 368 Larryboy SP John Clarkson

24 369 Larryboy 1B Andres Gallaraga

24 370 Spartans 1B Dolph Camilli

24 371 UCONN SS Jim Fregosi

24 372 Kraft SS Dave Concepcion

24 373 funkley SP Camilo Pascual

24 374 Koya C Bubbles Hargrave

24 375 bogart C Jim Sundberg

24 376 Doug B RP Rob Dibble

24 377 Harrier 2B Bid McPhee

24 378 Pickles 2B Chuck Knoblauch

24 379 Sammy3469 SS Phil Rizzuto

24 380 Nipsey SS Dave Bancroft

24 381 Capella on the clock

24 382 lastresort on deck

24 383 Spock in the hole

24 384 pumpnick

:bump: from the previous page:

yeah, was looking for rounds 21-22

 

[Doug B]

RDS 21-25:

21 321 pumpnick SP Ray Kremer

21 322 Spock OF Shawn Green

21 323 lastresort OF Luis Gonzales

21 324 Capella RP Rick Aguilera

21 325 Nipsey 3B Stan Hack

21 326 Sammy3469 OF Bob Johnson

21 327 Pickles 1B John Olerud

21 328 Harrier SP Ed Reulbach

21 329 Doug B OF Vada Pinson

21 330 bogart OF Dwight Evans

21 331 Koya SP Spud Chandler

21 332 funkley RP Roy Face

21 333 Kraft OF Jim Edmonds

21 334 UCONN SS Tony Fernandez

21 335 Spartans C Wally Schang

21 336 Larryboy OF Sam Rice

22 337 Larryboy SP Ted Lyons

22 338 Spartans SP Noodles Hahn

22 339 UCONN C Mickey Tettleton

22 340 Kraft RP Doug Jones

22 341 funkley SS Gary Templeton

22 342 Koya RP Todd Worrell

22 343 bogart SP Jake Weimer

22 344 Doug B C Smoky Burgess

22 345 Harrier OF Elmer Smith

22 346 Pickles OF Wally Berger

22 347 Sammy3469 C Bill Freehan

22 348 Nipsey SP Herb Pennock

22 349 Capella SP Waite Hoyt

22 350 lastresort 2B Red Schoendeist

22 351 Spock OF Cesar Cedeno

22 352 pumpnick OF Heine Manush

23 353 pumpnick OF Zack Wheat

23 354 Spock C Darren Daulton

23 355 lastresort C Todd Zeile

23 356 Capella 2B Bill Mazeroski

23 357 Nipsey C King Kelly

23 358 Sammy3469 1B Fred McGriff

23 359 Pickles 3B Darrell Evans

23 360 Harrier SP Les Lancaster

23 361 Doug B 2B Buddy Myer

23 362 bogart RP Orval Overall

23 363 Koya 1B Steve Garvey

23 364 funkley 1B Gil Hodges

23 365 Kraft C Lance Parrish

23 366 UCONN OF Ken Singleton

23 367 Spartans 1B Frank Chance

23 368 Larryboy SP John Clarkson

24 369 Larryboy 1B Andres Gallaraga

24 370 Spartans 1B Dolph Camilli

24 371 UCONN SS Jim Fregosi

24 372 Kraft SS Dave Concepcion

24 373 funkley SP Camilo Pascual

24 374 Koya C Bubbles Hargrave

24 375 bogart C Jim Sundberg

24 376 Doug B RP Rob Dibble

24 377 Harrier 2B Bid McPhee

24 378 Pickles 2B Chuck Knoblauch

24 379 Sammy3469 SS Phil Rizzuto

24 380 Nipsey SS Dave Bancroft

24 381 Capella

24 382 lastresort

24 383 Spock

24 384 pumpnick

25 385 pumpnick

25 386 Spock

25 387 lastresort

25 388 Capella

25 389 Nipsey

25 390 Sammy3469

25 391 Pickles

25 392 Harrier

25 393 Doug B

25 394 bogart

25 395 Koya

25 396 funkley

25 397 Kraft

25 398 UCONN

25 399 Spartans

25 400 Larryboy

 

[10993]

Larry Boy picked John Clarkson?athetic:

 

[Bogart]

I've recorded Oso's pick. Being that it's Cap's pick, he can make an executive decision to either (a) contact Nipsey via e-mail, or (b) find an alternate owner.

Just check the T.J. Hooker Fan Club boards. His handle there is Zmed Head.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: been a long time since I spit coffee onto my computer. Well done.

 

[Bogart]

Larry Boy picked John Clarkson?athetic:

Thank you. I was worried you weren't going to say anything at all. Clarkson makes Keefe look like a set-up guy.