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Immediate removal of the best Rivera, replacing with a Jesus Colome type pitcher
Cut Mariano Rivera (96). Acquired Brian Bohanan (92), salary of $668k. 45 stellar innings of 6.31 era. Yummy.edit to add: i'd fix the other guys, but i don't know how.
just take Rivera=3rd best seasonIf you want to punish yourself "throw" some games against the teams you beat up on (sit your good players against them). No reason to dilute the league.
I don't think that's an option. He has to pick up an available FA.
oh, then good move. Under his sanctions I thought he said he was just dumping Rivera. If he's just dumping the duplicate that's cool.
 
If we have a "worse than" season, it just would make it a little luck and BS potential if I get say 5 2's an a 3, and you get shafted with 3s and 4s. If you do or worse, I would recommend 4th year or worse.
4th year or worse still allows people to fish for best 4th year.To solve the other problem, the rolling can be done for each round, not for each team. So after the first round is finished, a die would be rolled from 2-4, and if a 4 was rolled, all the players in the 1st round (on every team) would be 4th year or best. This prevents players from being chosen on the basis of a particular good year, but equalizes things among all teams. It would take a commish who stayed on top of everything though, and kept all the data clear and compiled. I have experience handling that academically at Harvard, so I'm sure I'll be the best man for this job.
To play devils advocate, I could sim fish for 4th year and then if I get a 2nd or worse, still go with the 4th. guess that is my point. now im eating ice cream. very distracted here.
Yeah, but ideally the 2nd or 3rd is always better than the 4th--so there would be no advantage to that except risk management.
 
If we have a "worse than" season, it just would make it a little luck and BS potential if I get say 5 2's an a 3, and you get shafted with 3s and 4s. If you do or worse, I would recommend 4th year or worse.
4th year or worse still allows people to fish for best 4th year.To solve the other problem, the rolling can be done for each round, not for each team. So after the first round is finished, a die would be rolled from 2-4, and if a 4 was rolled, all the players in the 1st round (on every team) would be 4th year or best. This prevents players from being chosen on the basis of a particular good year, but equalizes things among all teams. It would take a commish who stayed on top of everything though, and kept all the data clear and compiled. I have experience handling that academically at Harvard, so I'm sure I'll be the best man for this job.
To play devils advocate, I could sim fish for 4th year and then if I get a 2nd or worse, still go with the 4th. guess that is my point. now im eating ice cream. very distracted here.
I don't think you understand what you're trying to talk about.
 
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If we have a "worse than" season, it just would make it a little luck and BS potential if I get say 5 2's an a 3, and you get shafted with 3s and 4s. If you do or worse, I would recommend 4th year or worse.
4th year or worse still allows people to fish for best 4th year.To solve the other problem, the rolling can be done for each round, not for each team. So after the first round is finished, a die would be rolled from 2-4, and if a 4 was rolled, all the players in the 1st round (on every team) would be 4th year or best. This prevents players from being chosen on the basis of a particular good year, but equalizes things among all teams. It would take a commish who stayed on top of everything though, and kept all the data clear and compiled. I have experience handling that academically at Harvard, so I'm sure I'll be the best man for this job.
To play devils advocate, I could sim fish for 4th year and then if I get a 2nd or worse, still go with the 4th. guess that is my point. now im eating ice cream. very distracted here.
I don't think you understand what you're trying to talk about.
that is possibleedit: that is not possible. I know what I am talking about. The Ice Cream is good humor strawberry shortcake. Was out of Chock Eclairs. Dammit. What does management skills at hah-vahd have to do with this by the way? Which school at least.
 
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What? Who invited him?And by him, I clearly mean mmmmtastypudding.
 
13 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 1 Anonymous Users)11 Members: Koya, Funkley, Joe Bryant, mrharrier, UCONN, trefor3, Mr. Pickles, Northern Voice, Politician Spock, mmmtastypudding, larry_boy_44Play nice, boys. :P
If one of you ####ers reported me...
 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?

 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
We had a "visitor"
 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
 
Under his sanctions I thought he said he was just dumping Rivera. If he's just dumping the duplicate that's cool.
right. just cut the duplicate Rivera. neither one was his 3rd salaried year. the one i cut (1996) was his 2nd year. the one i kept was his 5th year.no way to fix the others other than FA, and odds of that player in that year coming up are quite slim. capella, should i submit a problem ticket or something to get the others swapped out? will WIS still do that for us?
 
Also, I've decided on a running mate.

He's a man of great courage. He's a man of great intellect. He's a man I like to call my friend. I GIVE TO YOU......JOHN MARTINEZ!

 
If we have a "worse than" season, it just would make it a little luck and BS potential if I get say 5 2's an a 3, and you get shafted with 3s and 4s. If you do or worse, I would recommend 4th year or worse.
4th year or worse still allows people to fish for best 4th year.To solve the other problem, the rolling can be done for each round, not for each team. So after the first round is finished, a die would be rolled from 2-4, and if a 4 was rolled, all the players in the 1st round (on every team) would be 4th year or best. This prevents players from being chosen on the basis of a particular good year, but equalizes things among all teams. It would take a commish who stayed on top of everything though, and kept all the data clear and compiled. I have experience handling that academically, so I'm sure I'll be the best man for this job.
not if its 4th best on WIS... 4th best year on WIS isn't necessarily the players 4th best year... it could even be his worst, just with a ton of ABs or IPs...
 
Also, I've decided on a running mate.

He's a man of great courage. He's a man of great intellect. He's a man I like to call my friend. I GIVE TO YOU......JOHN MARTINEZ!
Thank you Nipsey and thank you fellow Footballguys.Great moments are born from great opportunity. That's what you have here, tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight. One game. If we played them ten times, they might win nine, but not this game. Not tonight. Tonight, we skate. Tonight, we stay with them, and we shut them down, because we can! Tonight, WE are the greatest hockey team in the world. You were born to be hockey players, every one of you. And you were meant to be here tonight. This is your time. Their time is done, it's over. I'm sick and tired of hearing about what a great hockey team the Soviets have. Screw 'em. This is your time. Now go out there and take it!

 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
 
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Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
 
7 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)5 Members: UCONN, KTM, Mr. Ham, lumpy19, flapgreenMr. Ham sighting in a bad beat thread...

 
Curse Reversing Idiots 6 10 0 Larry_Boy_44's team 6 11 0 Bottom 9: Larry_Boy_44's teamSam Rice grounds out. Charlie Gehringer grounds out. Moises Alou hits a single. [1] Frank Thomas gets walked. [12] Dave Winfield gets walked. [123] Pitching change: John Hiller '68 is replaced by Doug Jones '88. Ron Santo gets walked. Alou scores from third. Curse Reversing Idiots 6 10 0 Larry_Boy_44's team 7 12 0 "Ouch"
You're not freaking kidding, Walks have destroyed me throughout this 7 game loosing streak.
 
Posted: Feb 16 2005, 08:52 PM FootballguyGroup: MembersMember No.: 8451Joined: 23-September 03 Mr. Ham, you are wanted in the beisbol thread. 6 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)4 Members: UCONN, Pskov1420, bostonfred, Mr. Ham

 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
Not her. More like an Amy Klobuchar lookalike. Same nice rack too. :thumbup: :ph34r:
 
TURNER FIELD - The Bullet Joes today announced self-imposed sanctions resulting from the use of clone players and the wrong seasons in the FBG FFA All-Time MLB theme league at WIS.  While team officials insist that these were honest errors, the result of trying to retro-graft one draft into another (a move which critics have derisively termed "hijacking"), they still felt that these penalties were important for the good of the league, allowing it to move forward and focus on more important matters such as RIBS, Dragons, and multiple alias accounts.

The sanctions are:

No post-season play for this theme league

Immediate removal of the best Rivera, replacing with a Jesus Colome type pitcher
Immediate removal of the best Nomar, replacing with a SS that can't hold the jock of Pop Lloyd
Should another baseball draft occur, and oso be invited to join, forfeiture of the team's 1st round pick, replaced by consecutive picks in the 2nd round
:no: just go in and fix it now. no big deal. honest mistake.
Screw that. I say we excommunicate him. (From the church, not the league.)
I say we hang him. . . .then we kill him :peewee:
 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
Not her. More like an Amy Klobuchar lookalike. Same nice rack too. :thumbup: :ph34r:
From Hennepin County?
 
oh yeah:RON SANTO FOR MVP!!!R. Santo '67 R 23 69 .333 .410 .580 2 0 5 18 9 5 0/0 11 0 0 0 2 0 0 0/0 1 and a 13 game hitting streak...whole season:207 hits, 45 HRs, 162 RBIs, 99 runs...

 
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oh yeah:RON SANTO FOR MVP!!!R. Santo '67 R 23 69 .333 .410 .580 2 0 5 18 9 5 0/0 11 0 0 0 2 0 0 0/0 1 and a 13 game hitting streak...
Santo= :thumbup: Still not happy you snaked him away from me LB.Tris Speaker- .464 .543 .857 If Ruth's fat ### ever has a slump Speaker=MVP.
 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
Not her. More like an Amy Klobuchar lookalike. Same nice rack too. :thumbup: :ph34r:
From Hennepin County?
Correct.
 
oh yeah:RON SANTO FOR MVP!!!R. Santo '67 R 23 69 .333 .410 .580 2 0 5 18 9 5 0/0 11 0 0 0 2 0 0 0/0 1 and a 13 game hitting streak...whole season:207 hits, 45 HRs, 162 RBIs, 99 runs...
:wall: :bs: There's no way a career .277 hitter should hit like this in a HOF league. If numbers like this hold up then there's a hell of a lot more luck in this than I would've hoped for. There have got to be some major corrections down the road. Not your fault Larry, you just drafted him. But if you expect those stats to hold up you're nuts. If they do hold up then :censored: .
 
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Un-Official Vote Update

23 remain, 12 to lynch

Davemac (6) - Polecat, Lando, PirateMike, Fletch, DaveMac

Foos (1) – Foos

Dickies (9) - Finhead, PirateMike, r0y, PocketPasser, IB, Cathy, MJVB, SharkBait, LoanShark

PirateMike (1) - Dickies

LoanSharks Proxy to r0y

Yet to Vote (9) Siegfried, DeadMan, Guppy, and more

Foos votes for Foos – fingers were wiggled

Davemac votes for Davemac – fingers were wiggled

Fletch votes for davemac - fingers were wiggled
Seriously now...we're falling behind. UCONN votes Koya. We'll kill LB tomm. Vote damn it.Koya (1)- UCONN

yet to vote- the rest of you ####ers.

Get 'er done.

 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
Not her. More like an Amy Klobuchar lookalike. Same nice rack too. :thumbup: :ph34r:
From Hennepin County?
Correct.
Yale undergrad/Chicago law....geez.
 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
Not her. More like an Amy Klobuchar lookalike. Same nice rack too. :thumbup: :ph34r:
From Hennepin County?
Correct.
Yale undergrad/Chicago law....geez.
Remember, she's not Amy Klobuchar. She just looks exactly like her and has worked in politics.
 
Un-Official Vote Update

23 remain, 12 to lynch

Davemac (6) - Polecat, Lando, PirateMike, Fletch, DaveMac

Foos (1) – Foos

Dickies (9)  - Finhead, PirateMike, r0y, PocketPasser, IB, Cathy, MJVB, SharkBait, LoanShark

PirateMike (1) - Dickies

LoanSharks Proxy to r0y

Yet to Vote (9) Siegfried, DeadMan, Guppy, and more

Foos votes for Foos – fingers were wiggled

Davemac votes for Davemac – fingers were wiggled

Fletch votes for davemac - fingers were wiggled
Seriously now...we're falling behind. UCONN votes Koya. We'll kill LB tomm. Vote damn it.Koya (1)- UCONN

yet to vote- the rest of you ####ers.

Get 'er done.
I'm not doing #### until I find out what 'fingers wiggled' means.
 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
Not her. More like an Amy Klobuchar lookalike. Same nice rack too. :thumbup: :ph34r:
From Hennepin County?
Correct.
Yale undergrad/Chicago law....geez.
Remember, she's not Amy Klobuchar. She just looks exactly like her and has worked in politics.
OK, John....
 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
Not her. More like an Amy Klobuchar lookalike. Same nice rack too. :thumbup: :ph34r:
From Hennepin County?
Correct.
Yale undergrad/Chicago law....geez.
Remember, she's not Amy Klobuchar. She just looks exactly like her and has worked in politics.
OK, John....
She's too smart to be married to someone who hangs around on the innernets all day.
 
Wow, you kids have been busy. Harrier's campaign is in full swing. Mr. Pickles is going to kill Oso. Larry is still taking this more seriously than any three other teams combined. UCONN wants to make fun of Larry and I wasn't here to help. Trefor can be bought more easily than me. Rudnicki changed his team into a good team. Spock is angling to Harrier's right hand man. Cappy has boarded up the league office and has loaded his werewolf shotgun.Anything else?
Yes there is.

My name is Nipsey and I'm running for commissioner.
Of course, how could I forget the slogan. My wife has vast political campaign experience. You want Funkley on your side.
Betty McCollum?
Not her. More like an Amy Klobuchar lookalike. Same nice rack too. :thumbup:

:ph34r:
From Hennepin County?
Correct.
Yale undergrad/Chicago law....geez.
Remember, she's not Amy Klobuchar. She just looks exactly like her and has worked in politics.
OK, John....
She's too smart to be married to someone who hangs around on the innernets all day.
Did she run for office or work on campaigns? DFL?

 
oh yeah:RON SANTO FOR MVP!!!R. Santo '67 R 23 69 .333 .410 .580 2 0 5 18 9 5 0/0 11 0 0 0 2 0 0 0/0 1 and a 13 game hitting streak...whole season:207 hits, 45 HRs, 162 RBIs, 99 runs...
:wall: :bs: There's no way a career .277 hitter should hit like this in a HOF league. If numbers like this hold up then there's a hell of a lot more luck in this than I would've hoped for. There have got to be some major corrections down the road. Not your fault Larry, you just drafted him. But if you expect those stats to hold up you're nuts. If they do hold up then :censored: .
Santo's stats from the year he is using on WIS:Ron Santo '67 177 590 .300 .401 .512 23 4 31 99 97 104 1 3 .033/.009/-.078 averages from used season to WIS season...14 more homers in WIS season over used season...a lot more RBIs, but I've scored more runs than his team did in '67 I'm sure...
 
oh yeah:RON SANTO FOR MVP!!!R. Santo '67 R 23 69 .333 .410 .580 2 0 5 18 9 5 0/0 11 0 0 0 2 0 0 0/0 1 and a 13 game hitting streak...whole season:207 hits, 45 HRs, 162 RBIs, 99 runs...
:wall: :bs: There's no way a career .277 hitter should hit like this in a HOF league. If numbers like this hold up then there's a hell of a lot more luck in this than I would've hoped for. There have got to be some major corrections down the road. Not your fault Larry, you just drafted him. But if you expect those stats to hold up you're nuts. If they do hold up then :censored: .
Santo's stats from the year he is using on WIS:Ron Santo '67 177 590 .300 .401 .512 23 4 31 99 97 104 1 3 .033/.009/-.078 averages from used season to WIS season...14 more homers in WIS season over used season...a lot more RBIs, but I've scored more runs than his team did in '67 I'm sure...
Is this that SANTOS guy? :D
 
oh yeah:RON SANTO FOR MVP!!!R. Santo '67 R 23 69 .333 .410 .580 2 0 5 18 9 5 0/0 11 0 0 0 2 0 0 0/0 1 and a 13 game hitting streak...whole season:207 hits, 45 HRs, 162 RBIs, 99 runs...
:wall: :bs: There's no way a career .277 hitter should hit like this in a HOF league. If numbers like this hold up then there's a hell of a lot more luck in this than I would've hoped for. There have got to be some major corrections down the road. Not your fault Larry, you just drafted him. But if you expect those stats to hold up you're nuts. If they do hold up then :censored: .
Santo's stats from the year he is using on WIS:Ron Santo '67 177 590 .300 .401 .512 23 4 31 99 97 104 1 3 .033/.009/-.078 averages from used season to WIS season...14 more homers in WIS season over used season...a lot more RBIs, but I've scored more runs than his team did in '67 I'm sure...
Is this that SANTOS guy? :D
:rotflmao:
 
oh yeah:

RON SANTO FOR MVP!!!

R. Santo '67 R 23 69 .333 .410 .580 2 0 5 18 9 5 0/0 11 0 0 0 2 0 0 0/0 1

and a 13 game hitting streak...

whole season:

207 hits, 45 HRs, 162 RBIs, 99 runs...
:wall: :bs: There's no way a career .277 hitter should hit like this in a HOF league. If numbers like this hold up then there's a hell of a lot more luck in this than I would've hoped for. There have got to be some major corrections down the road. Not your fault Larry, you just drafted him. But if you expect those stats to hold up you're nuts. If they do hold up then :censored: .
Santo's stats from the year he is using on WIS:Ron Santo '67 177 590 .300 .401 .512 23 4 31 99 97 104 1 3

.033/.009/-.078 averages from used season to WIS season...

14 more homers in WIS season over used season...

a lot more RBIs, but I've scored more runs than his team did in '67 I'm sure...
So your saying it makes total sense that one of the last picks in the draft and possibly in the bottom 2 or 3 starting 3rd baseman in the league should hit like this vs. HOF and all star pitching on a game by game basis? That Ron ####ing Santos should outhit a guy like Harmon Killebrew? If it happens Larry it's BS and adds a completely lucky and unrealistic factor into picking teams for a sim. Plain as that. Again, not your fault but please don't sit there and even attempt to say that it makes sense.
 
I dont know a good way to actually do it, but if you REALLY want to see how good a team is play a franchise. 12 years, starting with players rookie (or first year actually playing a lot) season and going rookie, 2nd year, 3rd, 4th... and on.

 

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