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Ok, all better for now.
Koya
Footballguy
OK, none of that Doug. You need to right this ship if you are playing UCONN. Our division looks to be a tight three way race. After losing a series to spock, I was fortunate enough to face the Lebrons, get back on track and now sweep a two game mini series.Musial again commits a game-losing error with two outs in the eighth inning. Also, the Voodoo lose their third of three extra-innings games.
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UCONN, you should cruise past the struggling Eddie Plank (though he did manage to win his last start).
Tossed Cuellar into the starting rotation to give him a shot since Lefty Grove has been just awful (can you say 4 run first inning like every time), so we will see how that goes.
Mize seems to be awakening a bit - and tailoring a lineup to a ballpark seems to have an impact.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
is there a way to look at another team's schedule without looking at EVERY DAY???
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Larryboy against the Kobayashi Maru: 1-2Larryboy against the rest of the league: 17-2Come on guys!
Doug B
Footballguy
I am honestly wondering if going with a five-man rotation is messing up my old-school pitchers ... like they're getting cold waiting around for their starts or something. Lately, Spahn and Plank have been getting hammered.My OF defense is lacking, too. Musial is obviously too slow to get to a lot of the shots to my spacious left field. However, starting a "defensive" outfield (say, Tim Raines in left, Vada Pinson in center, Musial in right) kicks either Ted Kluszewski or Eddie Murray out of the starting lineup (right now, Klu is in RF, Murray is at 1B). 
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
eh... I have mostly modern pitchers and have had a 4-man rotation the whole time...although I do plan on giving Clemens & Glavine (at least) less than 40 starts... more like 30-35... but I am only going to emply a 4 man rotation...I am honestly wondering if going with a five-man rotation is messing up my old-school pitchers ... like they're getting cold waiting around for their starts or something. Lately, Spahn and Plank have been getting hammered.My OF defense is lacking, too. Musial is obviously too slow to get to a lot of the shots to my spacious left field. However, starting a "defensive" outfield (say, Tim Raines in left, Vada Pinson in center, Musial in right) kicks either Ted Kluszewski or Eddie Murray out of the starting lineup (right now, Klu is in RF, Murray is at 1B).
Funkley
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Too bad we can't trade. Musial would be a good fit for my park.I've been using a 4 man rotation and haven't had a guy less than 100% since the first couple days.I am honestly wondering if going with a five-man rotation is messing up my old-school pitchers ... like they're getting cold waiting around for their starts or something. Lately, Spahn and Plank have been getting hammered.My OF defense is lacking, too. Musial is obviously too slow to get to a lot of the shots to my spacious left field. However, starting a "defensive" outfield (say, Tim Raines in left, Vada Pinson in center, Musial in right) kicks either Ted Kluszewski or Eddie Murray out of the starting lineup (right now, Klu is in RF, Murray is at 1B).
Koya
Footballguy
Yeah ouch. It is one thing if a player is not the right fit for a ballpark or something.When someone is supposed to be a top 2-5 pitcher EVERRRRRR, you would expect a bit more results."Ouch"Still interesting as to who is and isn't performing well. Cobb and Foxx are showing serious signs of life for me so in turn my offense is getting better finally.I just put my NUMBER ONE ####### PICK OVERALL in the pen.
Any other first round busts? This is like Ted Williams hitting .221.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Nolan Ryan has been a second round bust. But he was the next to last pick in the second round, and I knew his 3rd season had over 200 walks. I just can't believe how many hits he gives up in the sim. The guy had the lowest hit per inning ratio EVAH!Yeah ouch. It is one thing if a player is not the right fit for a ballpark or something.When someone is supposed to be a top 2-5 pitcher EVERRRRRR, you would expect a bit more results."Ouch"Still interesting as to who is and isn't performing well. Cobb and Foxx are showing serious signs of life for me so in turn my offense is getting better finally.I just put my NUMBER ONE ####### PICK OVERALL in the pen.
Any other first round busts? This is like Ted Williams hitting .221.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Well he is hitting less than 300 and has all of one HR. He's a bust at this point.I can't get anything going. I blow a 2 run lead last night in the top of the 9th on 4 unearned runsYeah ouch. It is one thing if a player is not the right fit for a ballpark or something.When someone is supposed to be a top 2-5 pitcher EVERRRRRR, you would expect a bit more results."Ouch"Still interesting as to who is and isn't performing well. Cobb and Foxx are showing serious signs of life for me so in turn my offense is getting better finally.I just put my NUMBER ONE ####### PICK OVERALL in the pen.
Kraft...
Footballguy
Hank Aaron.263 AVG2 HR's8 RBI's .388 SLGYeah ouch. It is one thing if a player is not the right fit for a ballpark or something.When someone is supposed to be a top 2-5 pitcher EVERRRRRR, you would expect a bit more results."Ouch"Still interesting as to who is and isn't performing well. Cobb and Foxx are showing serious signs of life for me so in turn my offense is getting better finally.I just put my NUMBER ONE ####### PICK OVERALL in the pen.
Koya
Footballguy
Ok, that would be a good example. Do you think its a bad streak (hitters do go through those, even great ones), ballpark, or just ### #### ####### BAD ###### LUCK.Hank Aaron.263 AVG2 HR's8 RBI's .388 SLGYeah ouch. It is one thing if a player is not the right fit for a ballpark or something.When someone is supposed to be a top 2-5 pitcher EVERRRRRR, you would expect a bit more results."Ouch"Still interesting as to who is and isn't performing well. Cobb and Foxx are showing serious signs of life for me so in turn my offense is getting better finally.I just put my NUMBER ONE ####### PICK OVERALL in the pen.
Kraft...
Footballguy
I assume he will come around, his third season he hit .300 and had 44 bombs. Just bad luck thus far I guess. I've given him a few days off here and there but he has yet to respond.I've had some pleasant surprises as well, Pesky and Buck Williams have been solid at the plate(Although both have cost me at least a game a peice defensivly).Ok, that would be a good example. Do you think its a bad streak (hitters do go through those, even great ones), ballpark, or just ### #### ####### BAD ###### LUCK.Hank Aaron.263 AVG2 HR's8 RBI's .388 SLGYeah ouch. It is one thing if a player is not the right fit for a ballpark or something.When someone is supposed to be a top 2-5 pitcher EVERRRRRR, you would expect a bit more results."Ouch"Still interesting as to who is and isn't performing well. Cobb and Foxx are showing serious signs of life for me so in turn my offense is getting better finally.I just put my NUMBER ONE ####### PICK OVERALL in the pen.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
For Williams I think it's just bad luck. Banks was just brutal the first 13-14 games, but has been hot lately. My guys don't seem to be too consistent. They're either really hot together or not. My pitching needs work too.The one thing I have to say about the pitching is if the guy gives up HRs, he will give up runs in this thing; most likely more runs than you are expecting especially if he walks a lot of people. That's one big difference between drafting for a sim and drafting for an all-time team. BTW I personally think Ryan is one of the more overrrated pitchers ever. I also find it interesting that some of the modern pitchers like Pedro and R. Johnson are doing well in this sim. I guess I should have expected it (especially when I was simming my team against the 04 Red Sox, they stayed in an amazing # of games with Pedro or Schilling pitching. It wasn't until I got the the MR or other starters that I got some crazy results), but it is interesting nonetheless.I wonder when were old and grey we'll look back at Pedro's run or Johnson's run and say they were some of the best pitching years ever.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I think some of the pitchers are just starting out slow too. It's still a small sample size. I actually did some reseach on Grove because I thought he might get back to me in the 2nd. I looked at what he did agaisnt the Yankees (since some of those teams themselves are comparable to our teams), and he was surprisingly pretty average. He had something like a 3.50-4.00 ERA. I have no idea if Whatif is picking that up or not, but it was interesting nonetheless. It was one of the reasons I decided to go O heavy.
Bogart
Footballguy
Not a first round bust, but Henderson has been a huge bust in the second. My whole offensive philosophy was built around Hornsby, Henderson and Hamilton getting on base, running alot and letting the guys behind them drive them in. Hornsby and Hamilton have been doing their jobs with flying colors. Henderson and his 0.190 average is sitting the bench while Max Freakin' Carey gets a shot.
Doug B
Footballguy
My bullpen is also having huge problems -- especially set-up relief. Dibble and Henke started off so hot, but now get rocked regularly. Dan Plesac is consistently solid, but tires very easily -- I can't use him everyday.Lolich is improving in the long reliever role, though. And Babe Adams is available in relief now. So there's some hope.
Doug B
Footballguy
It is cool when your players start coming back from the dead. Eddie Murray started off so bad for me (against the pre-improvemet King Kelly's All-Stars yet) that he rode pine for 3 or 4 games while Kluszewski took over at 1B. Since then, Klu has moved to RF, and Eddie has returned to 1B. Murray's average is now over .300 after a nice performance against Spock's team.
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Koya
Footballguy
Dont know about those specifics, but I know he had a 1.75 ERA in a big offensive era in the postseason. And is second overall behind Pedro in adjusted ERA.I wouldnt expect lights out everynight against all teams - but at this point, we are talkin bust. Im gonna ride it out a bit more. For WIS, it seems to be a third year bad luck thing. 3rd year = 8th best year ERA, 10th best in terms of HR's given up.Maybe I wont start him after all. lol
Koya
Footballguy
Editted - I cant read. Groves year is 1932, not 1927. Which makes it his 8th best adjusted ERA year. In terms of his era, against the Yanks or otherwise, his RAW ERA for a career is a shade over three. But, the LEAGUE average over that time was over 4.5 - which provides for the second largest differential in history behind pedro.So, after all this, I am still confounded why he sucks so much.
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Bogart
Footballguy
Lucky for me, I'm replacing Henderson's A glove with Carey's A+ glove. Added to Hamilton's A+ glove in center, and the defense is in place.Interesting observation: My mop-up pitcher Bob Welsh, has a defensive rating of B/B+ on the mound, BUT he also has an A range for the outfield. Wierd. I guess if he doesn't pitch for a week or three I can use him as a defensive replacement in the 8th and 9th innings. EDIT: Pitcher Addie Joss also has A+ Range at 1B. Nice thought even though it will never be used. Now if I can just get these guys to pitch.
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Koya
Footballguy
It's either luck, knowledge or experience. Luck to have used the same tools we did but pick sim friendly guys by chance. Knowledge of guys that would perform better in the sim, or were simply better even if the stats and historical recounts do not clearly show it, and experience in regard to experience in this sim having done it before.I dont know which it is to be honest. I know this, if I was drafting guys for the sim, just by looking at wis numbers I would have had a pretty drastically different team. But again that wasnt the point.Yeah, but at first glance, his guys aren't far better than Eddie Plank, say. Or Red Faber or Babe Adams, from my team.Cherry picked deadballer's. Gotta know which one's to use.
If we use these same teams in different sim formats or in different years it would be curious to know how similar the results would be.
Doug B
Footballguy
Okay, I checked it out a little more closely.
Mrharrier's pitchers are all under 2.00 ERA except for two, Hippo Vaughan and Ed Reulbach. And they're at 2.01 and 2.05.
On my staff, everyone except Tom Henke (1.92) is between the 2.33 and 3.25. For my pre-1920s Ps, HR/9IP and K/9IP are comprable to mrharrier's guys, but his ERAs are a lot better.
But still -- many of my guys have more than double their real life ERA.
Mrharrier's pitchers are all under 2.00 ERA except for two, Hippo Vaughan and Ed Reulbach. And they're at 2.01 and 2.05.
On my staff, everyone except Tom Henke (1.92) is between the 2.33 and 3.25. For my pre-1920s Ps, HR/9IP and K/9IP are comprable to mrharrier's guys, but his ERAs are a lot better.
But still -- many of my guys have more than double their real life ERA.
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Koya
Footballguy
But raw era, in a sim shouldnt mean "that" much. If a sim is worth ANYthing, it has to weight the era compared to the league average. a 1.92 ERA in a year with an average of 2.00 is not nearly as impressive as a year of 3.10 with a 4.35 league average.
That "should" be the key... if you go off raw numbers, its worthless. all the modern batters and deadball pitchers would dominate with few exceptions.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
One other thing is knowing which ones outperformed the league the most in certain years in speific categories. One possible explanation is that harrier has guys whose internal stats (OAV, HR/9innings, and such) are measurably better than the league averages for those years, while the ones underperforming have internal stats which aren't as good (and I have no idea if this is true or not). It's different than just drafting guys with high ERA+ or some other measure. There really isn't any way to know that without having done Whatif before. Like I said before, I think it's too early with the pitchers to make any grand conclusions yet. Most of these guys have only pitched 5 games.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
who has Harrier faced? His pitching stats could be deflated due to the competition he has faced...either by playing teams that emphasized pitching or by playing the dummy teams that don't score runs...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
afternoon results are up:Larry_Boy_44's Team over Belucci's Bombers 6-1 to improve to 19-4 and KEEP the best record in the league...
