***OFFICIAL*** FFA MLB Draft (2 Viewers)

[Bogart]

Haven't yet been able to find specific info on Diamond Legends's sim engine.

Here's the home page of their virtual tour. Not super informative.

There are pages where you can see players' salaries, though. You can see how they are based on careers. Also, only players HOF-eligible are used in the DL sim -- no Barry Bonds, Big Unit, or Roger Clemens.

Probably need to send the DL staff some e-mails to get better info.

.

Interesting. I just checked it out quick - 50 bucks a team is serious. It BETTER be good. I mean, once you know the WIS engine, 5 games for the cost of one might not be so bad.I am interested however.

The problem is, once you learn the WIS engine, you are no longer drafting what you think the best team of all time would be, you are drafting numbers that fit into a problem. That leads to you drafting guys like Paul Quantrill and the like.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

 

[UCONN]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

 

[Koya]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

I refuse to believe that.Larry has seen the light. Larry - call me when you head out to the bar for drinks, Ill meet ya there. (Tonight is Larry's first tequila. then hookers and lines of coke)

 

[Sammy3469]

One more thing, it's not just how much they overperform the league average for that year, but how much that % is relative to all the other players in the Sim we are using. (This is actually a big difference, which I hadn't noted before).

Not doubting you -- you're making perfect sense -- but I was wondering how you learned that. Did you read it in a WIS forum, or deduce that for yourself?

Try this threadI'm still unclear on how this all works out, but it does explain some of the anomolies we are seeing

 

[10993]

If you wanna know why Larry's team is winning (other than using the wrong years), look where he ranks in errors. Stone hands Frank Thomas and company are on pace to commit only 67 errors all season.

One of many critical flaws of wis. When doing a draft FOR wis, you can accept that. But it sucks as a representation of actual reality. I mean, who would you want:

Johnny Mize and Lefty Grove

Frank Thomas and Paul Quantrill.

In this sim, the latter by a LONG shot. Oh, thats realistic.

quite honestly...the biggest issue isn't the sim's programming, its the years that are being used...

The year Thomas is using could be better than the year Mize is using...

Quantrill might have wrong year (still... I'm trying guys), but that year, other than innings, could be better than the year you have Grove with...

See, we aren't talking "greatest players" in this... we're talking "Greatest seasons" and really its third seasons as well...

The next time we do this, we need to have some sort of minimum level of skill/ability... some stat threshold...

and then we get to use ANY year that that player played...

although no one is listening, maybe someone reads this so it has a chance of making try #2 at this a little better than try #1... and that'll be hard to do...

Go away.

now your jealous 'cuz I have a better way of running it than you? *shakes head* I'm sorry I have to be so good at everything, Harrier... :rotflmao:

Respect the rules--the majority rules. Go away.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

Oh Koya was all over that ####! :rotflmao:

 

[Koya]

Haven't yet been able to find specific info on Diamond Legends's sim engine.

Here's the home page of their virtual tour. Not super informative.

There are pages where you can see players' salaries, though. You can see how they are based on careers. Also, only players HOF-eligible are used in the DL sim -- no Barry Bonds, Big Unit, or Roger Clemens.

Probably need to send the DL staff some e-mails to get better info.

.

Interesting. I just checked it out quick - 50 bucks a team is serious. It BETTER be good. I mean, once you know the WIS engine, 5 games for the cost of one might not be so bad.I am interested however.

The problem is, once you learn the WIS engine, you are no longer drafting what you think the best team of all time would be, you are drafting numbers that fit into a problem. That leads to you drafting guys like Paul Quantrill and the like.

at first glance, that sucks. on second glance, I bet (most) of us could come up with fair - and flexible enough if really really needed - rules to address that. I know this, I would rather have say my choice of the best kiki cuyler year and sim fish that, than some random guy I really never heard of, who might be 3-5% better than that best kiki cuyler year.

I wonder how different this would be if we were all able to use one or both of:

- Choice of any WIS year for our players

- Choice of any 5th or worse season for our players.

Not sure anyone else would do it, but I would do either, or both. Especially 5th or worse year. That could be interesting.

 

[Sammy3469]

Haven't yet been able to find specific info on Diamond Legends's sim engine.

Here's the home page of their virtual tour. Not super informative.

There are pages where you can see players' salaries, though. You can see how they are based on careers. Also, only players HOF-eligible are used in the DL sim -- no Barry Bonds, Big Unit, or Roger Clemens.

Probably need to send the DL staff some e-mails to get better info.

.

Interesting. I just checked it out quick - 50 bucks a team is serious. It BETTER be good. I mean, once you know the WIS engine, 5 games for the cost of one might not be so bad.I am interested however.

The problem is, once you learn the WIS engine, you are no longer drafting what you think the best team of all time would be, you are drafting numbers that fit into a problem. That leads to you drafting guys like Paul Quantrill and the like.

I think we could structure a league to mimimize the Whatif Sim effects though. Make the RP have to have pitched so many innings over a certain span or stuff like that. This is a learning process.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Hey Larry, because you continued to not respond to me, I won't do you the favor, you are now literally begging for, of quoting you in that post above.

See how the world works, #######? 

I was like your last breath of life support, but you were too stupid to realize it.

So long, sucker.  :stillers:

And you know what's even funnier LARRY BOY? It's the part where you report me for the above post...BUT NOTHING HAPPENS, because it will FALL ON DEAF EARS, after all the crap you've pulled. :rotflmao: See ya, buddy!

LB=

 

[Koya]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

Oh Koya was all over that ####! :rotflmao:

I believe. Larry has apologized, and not realized Dragons arent real (ironically, I think there is a chance "dragons" to some degree existed. Not necessarily as depicted in LB's FORMER beliefs, but why not? now, world in 6 days contrary to all logic and reason.... this is our next step for Larry Boy).

 

[UCONN]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

Oh Koya was all over that ####! :rotflmao:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[UCONN]

Not fairing so well in those polls Koya...

 

[Sammy3469]

Haven't yet been able to find specific info on Diamond Legends's sim engine.

Here's the home page of their virtual tour. Not super informative.

There are pages where you can see players' salaries, though. You can see how they are based on careers. Also, only players HOF-eligible are used in the DL sim -- no Barry Bonds, Big Unit, or Roger Clemens.

Probably need to send the DL staff some e-mails to get better info.

.

Interesting. I just checked it out quick - 50 bucks a team is serious. It BETTER be good. I mean, once you know the WIS engine, 5 games for the cost of one might not be so bad.I am interested however.

The problem is, once you learn the WIS engine, you are no longer drafting what you think the best team of all time would be, you are drafting numbers that fit into a problem. That leads to you drafting guys like Paul Quantrill and the like.

at first glance, that sucks. on second glance, I bet (most) of us could come up with fair - and flexible enough if really really needed - rules to address that. I know this, I would rather have say my choice of the best kiki cuyler year and sim fish that, than some random guy I really never heard of, who might be 3-5% better than that best kiki cuyler year.

I wonder how different this would be if we were all able to use one or both of:

- Choice of any WIS year for our players

- Choice of any 5th or worse season for our players.

Not sure anyone else would do it, but I would do either, or both. Especially 5th or worse year. That could be interesting.

The problem is once you start getting down to the 5th or worst season, most of these guys will quickly get to the league averages (not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it should be noted).I do think we could come up with criteria (that's not too cumbersome) to make something work.

 

[Koya]

Haven't yet been able to find specific info on Diamond Legends's sim engine.

Here's the home page of their virtual tour. Not super informative.

There are pages where you can see players' salaries, though. You can see how they are based on careers. Also, only players HOF-eligible are used in the DL sim -- no Barry Bonds, Big Unit, or Roger Clemens.

Probably need to send the DL staff some e-mails to get better info.

.

Interesting. I just checked it out quick - 50 bucks a team is serious. It BETTER be good. I mean, once you know the WIS engine, 5 games for the cost of one might not be so bad.I am interested however.

The problem is, once you learn the WIS engine, you are no longer drafting what you think the best team of all time would be, you are drafting numbers that fit into a problem. That leads to you drafting guys like Paul Quantrill and the like.

I think we could structure a league to mimimize the Whatif Sim effects though. Make the RP have to have pitched so many innings over a certain span or stuff like that. This is a learning process.

I agree. Once again, I would rather be able to sim fish for the best years eligible for players I like, if that means only a small to very small difference in performance. a few ideas:

1920-present pitchers

1900-1989 batters

3rd/5th or worse seasons (or choice of any)

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

Oh Koya was all over that ####! :rotflmao:

I believe. Larry has apologized, and not realized Dragons arent real (ironically, I think there is a chance "dragons" to some degree existed. Not necessarily as depicted in LB's FORMER beliefs, but why not? now, world in 6 days contrary to all logic and reason.... this is our next step for Larry Boy).

Jesus Christ, Pickles may be right.

 

[Koya]

Haven't yet been able to find specific info on Diamond Legends's sim engine.

Here's the home page of their virtual tour. Not super informative.

There are pages where you can see players' salaries, though. You can see how they are based on careers. Also, only players HOF-eligible are used in the DL sim -- no Barry Bonds, Big Unit, or Roger Clemens.

Probably need to send the DL staff some e-mails to get better info.

.

Interesting. I just checked it out quick - 50 bucks a team is serious. It BETTER be good. I mean, once you know the WIS engine, 5 games for the cost of one might not be so bad.I am interested however.

The problem is, once you learn the WIS engine, you are no longer drafting what you think the best team of all time would be, you are drafting numbers that fit into a problem. That leads to you drafting guys like Paul Quantrill and the like.

at first glance, that sucks. on second glance, I bet (most) of us could come up with fair - and flexible enough if really really needed - rules to address that. I know this, I would rather have say my choice of the best kiki cuyler year and sim fish that, than some random guy I really never heard of, who might be 3-5% better than that best kiki cuyler year.

I wonder how different this would be if we were all able to use one or both of:

- Choice of any WIS year for our players

- Choice of any 5th or worse season for our players.

Not sure anyone else would do it, but I would do either, or both. Especially 5th or worse year. That could be interesting.

The problem is once you start getting down to the 5th or worst season, most of these guys will quickly get to the league averages (not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it should be noted).I do think we could come up with criteria (that's not too cumbersome) to make something work.

I bet the 5th best year of HoF/all time great players will be well above average. That is why they are hall of famers.The really great players should all have 8 very very good or great seasons at minumum (with a couple exceptions) for position players, 5 or more for pitchers. Going with your choice of 5, 6, 7 or 8 would be pretty good. Ill see how my team would look with 5th or worse season.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

Oh Koya was all over that ####! :rotflmao:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

And the backtrack to make it complete. :rotflmao:

 

[Koya]

Not fairing so well in those polls Koya...

There are certainly a number that believe Lebron would be better than Barkley. I dont need a vast majority. Fact is, under the actual rules, Lebron would kick ###.As Larry says, just because your team is all bad and stuff, doesnt mean my dragons wont kick your ###.

I mean lebron.

Either way, vindication. Amazingly, I feel better about the pick now than ever. EVER!

 

[UCONN]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

Oh Koya was all over that ####! :rotflmao:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

And the backtrack to make it complete. :rotflmao:

ROTFLMAOtoo many smileys...

 

[Koya]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

Oh Koya was all over that ####! :rotflmao:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

And the backtrack to make it complete. :rotflmao:

No backtrack. I am very proud of Larry Boy. It takes a real man to admit you are wrong, and think critically. We should ALL applaud Larry. Good job.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Now that I've given it some thought, I think it's possible that dragons aren't real.

There ya go buddy.

:rotflmao: This is really funny, because it didn't happen. Classic play, though, with all the ignorers not knowing what to think...and rightfully so.:rotflmao:

LOFL at anyone who could believe that was real.

Oh Koya was all over that ####! :rotflmao:

I believe. Larry has apologized, and not realized Dragons arent real (ironically, I think there is a chance "dragons" to some degree existed. Not necessarily as depicted in LB's FORMER beliefs, but why not? now, world in 6 days contrary to all logic and reason.... this is our next step for Larry Boy).

This is the kind of crap I'm talking about. You need a jacket it's so windy in here.

 

[UCONN]

Not fairing so well in those polls Koya...

There are certainly a number that believe Lebron would be better than Barkley. I dont need a vast majority. Fact is, under the actual rules, Lebron would kick ###.As Larry says, just because your team is all bad and stuff, doesnt mean my dragons wont kick your ###.

I mean lebron.

Either way, vindication. Amazingly, I feel better about the pick now than ever. EVER!

I'd hate to have to look at myself in the mirror if I were you.

 

[UCONN]

Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll "owns" LBSonny Lubick Blowup Doll "owns" Koya

 

[Koya]

:gang:

Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll "owns" LB

Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll "owns" Koya

 

[UCONN]

:gang:

Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll "owns" LB

Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll "owns" Koya

Does drafting Lebron James in the second round of an ALL-TIME NBA draft constitute a mockery? Yes [ 13 ] [37.14%]

No [ 9 ] [25.71%]

Koya Sucks [ 12 ] [34.29%]

Total Votes: 34

"ouch"

It happened.

 

[lastresort66]

Haven't yet been able to find specific info on Diamond Legends's sim engine.

Here's the home page of their virtual tour. Not super informative.

There are pages where you can see players' salaries, though. You can see how they are based on careers. Also, only players HOF-eligible are used in the DL sim -- no Barry Bonds, Big Unit, or Roger Clemens.

Probably need to send the DL staff some e-mails to get better info.

.

Interesting. I just checked it out quick - 50 bucks a team is serious. It BETTER be good. I mean, once you know the WIS engine, 5 games for the cost of one might not be so bad.I am interested however.

The problem is, once you learn the WIS engine, you are no longer drafting what you think the best team of all time would be, you are drafting numbers that fit into a problem. That leads to you drafting guys like Paul Quantrill and the like.

I think we could structure a league to mimimize the Whatif Sim effects though. Make the RP have to have pitched so many innings over a certain span or stuff like that. This is a learning process.

I agree. Once again, I would rather be able to sim fish for the best years eligible for players I like, if that means only a small to very small difference in performance. a few ideas:

1920-present pitchers

1900-1989 batters

3rd/5th or worse seasons (or choice of any)

I could live with that if we can use any year. By allowing us to do that, it minimizes the quirkiness of WIS.com using innings pitched as THE barometer for salaries.

 

[lastresort66]

BTW, the benefits of starting OF Bill Lange:

Bottom 9: Bellucci's Bombers

Armando Benitez '99 is the new pitcher. John Tudor is being pinch hit for by Mark McGwire. Mark McGwire strikes out. Eddie Collins lines out. Bill Lange hits a double. [2] Babe Ruth gets walked. [12] Pitching change: Armando Benitez '99 is replaced by Gary Lavelle '82. Albert Belle hits a bloop single to RF. Lange scores from second.

:rotflmao:

 

[Koya]

Haven't yet been able to find specific info on Diamond Legends's sim engine.

Here's the home page of their virtual tour. Not super informative.

There are pages where you can see players' salaries, though. You can see how they are based on careers. Also, only players HOF-eligible are used in the DL sim -- no Barry Bonds, Big Unit, or Roger Clemens.

Probably need to send the DL staff some e-mails to get better info.

.

Interesting. I just checked it out quick - 50 bucks a team is serious. It BETTER be good. I mean, once you know the WIS engine, 5 games for the cost of one might not be so bad.I am interested however.

The problem is, once you learn the WIS engine, you are no longer drafting what you think the best team of all time would be, you are drafting numbers that fit into a problem. That leads to you drafting guys like Paul Quantrill and the like.

I think we could structure a league to mimimize the Whatif Sim effects though. Make the RP have to have pitched so many innings over a certain span or stuff like that. This is a learning process.

I agree. Once again, I would rather be able to sim fish for the best years eligible for players I like, if that means only a small to very small difference in performance. a few ideas:

1920-present pitchers

1900-1989 batters

3rd/5th or worse seasons (or choice of any)

I could live with that if we can use any year. By allowing us to do that, it minimizes the quirkiness of WIS.com using innings pitched as THE barometer for salaries.

 

[Koya]

actually, the best thing to do would be to also use a minimum number of at bats - can be fairly low since 350 ABs will also mean more fatigue, but then you wont have some season with 101 ABs and a great year, except good fatigue. Same with innings.

 

[Politician Spock]

One more thing, it's not just how much they overperform the league average for that year, but how much that % is relative to all the other players in the Sim we are using. (This is actually a big difference, which I hadn't noted before).

Thus Grove may have outperformed in 1920, but realtive to all the other seasons we are using on our 24 teams, that season may not be that impressive.

Therefore, Ryan's season is even worse than I initially thought.

Ryan Funkley tonight!

 

[Funkley]

One more thing, it's not just how much they overperform the league average for that year, but how much that % is relative to all the other players in the Sim we are using.  (This is actually a big difference, which I hadn't noted before).

Thus Grove may have outperformed in 1920, but realtive to all the other seasons we are using on our 24 teams, that season may not be that impressive. 

Therefore, Ryan's season is even worse than I initially thought.

Ryan Funkley tonight!

 

[Politician Spock]

I think a bunch of people in this thread got a timeout. Some haven't posted in almost 24 hours now.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I think a bunch of people in this thread got a timeout. Some haven't posted in almost 24 hours now.

Capella got a time out for laughing at bagger in the Pope thread.A little touchy around here lately..

 

[Sammy3469]

I think a bunch of people in this thread got a timeout. Some haven't posted in almost 24 hours now.

Capella got a time out for laughing at bagger in the Pope thread.A little touchy around here lately..

"Ouch"

 

[Sammy3469]

Is it safe to assume Nipsey also got a timeout?

 

[UCONN]

If Harrier is around now's your chance...

 

[10993]

If Harrier is around now's your chance...

Whoohoo!! I'm commish!Would anyone like to propose any changes?

 

[UCONN]

If Harrier is around now's your chance...

Whoohoo!! I'm commish!Would anyone like to propose any changes?

The changes all involve Larry Boy and capital punishment. I don't think the mods want me to talk about that. Oh, you could make Koya own up to "Lebron Gate" or face expulsion from the league.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Is it safe to assume Nipsey also got a timeout?

I don't think anything happened to Nipsey here. He's probably still recovering from his whiskey binge last night...and planning his next takeover.

 

[UCONN]

Oh, and Spock, lose some f'n games...

 

[Politician Spock]

Oh, and Spock, lose some f'n games...

 

[10993]

My First Two Decrees as Acting Commissioner

1. LarryBoy is hereby banned from all draft activities, this thread, and any future activities undertaken by the members of this draft, and any group of which this the members of this draft constitute a majority.

2. February 23rd will now be known as "Mike Piazza Beating Capella Day." Take it as you wish.

 

[Politician Spock]

Can we expel the Patriot League Central Division? That Nips team has lost 4 in a row and will drop below .500 if it goes to 5.

 

[10993]

Also I hate Iran. #### those towel-head, camel jockeys. If I get reported/to'd/banned that's fine. Iron Shiek is cool, but in general I hate those people/that culture.

I'm banning you too.

 

[UCONN]

Also I hate Iran.  #### those towel-head, camel jockeys.  If I get reported/to'd/banned that's fine.  Iron Shiek is cool, but in general I hate those people/that culture.

I'm banning you too.

Did you read that thing on that girl getting 100 lashes?edited to add seriously that stuff just makes me sick to my stomach. i don't know how anybody could hurt a woman like that, much less do it in a government sanctioned way.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Also I hate Iran.  #### those towel-head, camel jockeys.  If I get reported/to'd/banned that's fine.  Iron Shiek is cool, but in general I hate those people/that culture.

I'm banning you too.

Did you read that thing on that girl getting 100 lashes?edited to add seriously that stuff just makes me sick to my stomach. i don't know how anybody could hurt a woman like that, much less do it in a government sanctioned way.

what if it was Taurasi?

 

[larry_boy_44]

Hey Larry, because you continued to not respond to me, I won't do you the favor, you are now literally begging for, of quoting you in that post above.

See how the world works, #######? 

I was like your last breath of life support, but you were too stupid to realize it.

So long, sucker.  :stillers:

And you know what's even funnier LARRY BOY? It's the part where you report me for the above post...BUT NOTHING HAPPENS, because it will FALL ON DEAF EARS, after all the crap you've pulled. :rotflmao: See ya, buddy!

He did it again? You've got to be F'ing kidding.

no, I didn't do it again...

 

[UCONN]

Also I hate Iran.  #### those towel-head, camel jockeys.  If I get reported/to'd/banned that's fine.  Iron Shiek is cool, but in general I hate those people/that culture.

I'm banning you too.

Did you read that thing on that girl getting 100 lashes?edited to add seriously that stuff just makes me sick to my stomach. i don't know how anybody could hurt a woman like that, much less do it in a government sanctioned way.

what if it was Taurasi?

If it happened here or in Iran? If I was within a distance to where I could get there to attempt to stop it I would do so even if I knew it meant my death.

 

[10993]

Also I hate Iran. #### those towel-head, camel jockeys. If I get reported/to'd/banned that's fine. Iron Shiek is cool, but in general I hate those people/that culture.

I'm banning you too.

Did you read that thing on that girl getting 100 lashes?edited to add seriously that stuff just makes me sick to my stomach. i don't know how anybody could hurt a woman like that, much less do it in a government sanctioned way.

You're not banned for your opinion--just its lack of nuance. As a rule of thumb, don't do anything to remind me of LB.Liberal and female Iranians are Iranian too--actually, Iran is one of the countries with a much larger liberal, civilized, and anti-clerical population. It's just that the clerics are in power right now.