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  8 hours ago, [icon] said:

USA v COSTA RICA WCQ Match Tomorrow (Friday) Night

Both Teams Score +110 (SB) 

Just a friendly bump for Friday evening. Now seeing it at +120.

Sorry, n00b question, I get confused on some of the soccer "&" bets. If you're looking at 2 goals at good value, would an O 2/2.5 +110 be close if my local doesn't give me the both teams score bet?

I'm thinking no because of the split but would hope you guys could help

 
strykerpks said:
  8 hours ago, [icon] said:

USA v COSTA RICA WCQ Match Tomorrow (Friday) Night

Both Teams Score +110 (SB) 

Just a friendly bump for Friday evening. Now seeing it at +120.

Sorry, n00b question, I get confused on some of the soccer "&" bets. If you're looking at 2 goals at good value, would an O 2/2.5 +110 be close if my local doesn't give me the both teams score bet?

I'm thinking no because of the split but would hope you guys could help
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I think it's 1/2 unit on O2 and 1/2 unit on O2.5. If you bet 100, 50 goes on O2 and 50 goes on O2.5 at market odds. It's an Asian handicap, as this is a popular bet with Asian based bookmakers. I know this because I did an action bet on this once and 1st bet won and 2nd pushed so I had an oddly calculated win amount in my account and had no idea why.

 
strykerpks said:
  8 hours ago, [icon] said:

USA v COSTA RICA WCQ Match Tomorrow (Friday) Night

Both Teams Score +110 (SB) 

Just a friendly bump for Friday evening. Now seeing it at +120.

Sorry, n00b question, I get confused on some of the soccer "&" bets. If you're looking at 2 goals at good value, would an O 2/2.5 +110 be close if my local doesn't give me the both teams score bet?

I'm thinking no because of the split but would hope you guys could help
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I don't think it's  as good a value as the Both Teams To Score but I'm seeing over 2.5 +125 so it's good value in that comparison since half of your wager is over 2 and would push in 1 - 1 draw.

 
mquinnjr said:
I think it's 1/2 unit on O2 and 1/2 unit on O2.5. If you bet 100, 50 goes on O2 and 50 goes on O2.5 at market odds. It's an Asian handicap, as this is a popular bet with Asian based bookmakers. I know this because I did an action bet on this once and 1st bet won and 2nd pushed so I had an oddly calculated win amount in my account and had no idea why.
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Yeah, exactly. I've done them before based on Charv telling me to and I'm pretty sure I've always won both or lost both. Was just curious about how the odds actually play out vs a 2 goal bet at +120

 
JaxBill said:
I don't think it's  as good a value as the Both Teams To Score but I'm seeing over 2.5 +125 so it's good value in that comparison since half of your wager is over 2 and would push in 1 - 1 draw.
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Gotcha, thanks. That's what I was asking, sorry if it was worded weird. 

 
UEFA WCQ 

Czech - Germany ov 2.5 -129

Germany - 1.5 +115

ETA Germany is undefeated in group play and outscoring opponents 27 to 1. They have named a couple younger players from Confederations Cup win this rotation so vets could be eyeing playing time. They beat Czechs 3 nil in Germany last year.

 
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strykerpks said:
Yeah, exactly. I've done them before based on Charv telling me to and I'm pretty sure I've always won both or lost both. Was just curious about how the odds actually play out vs a 2 goal bet at +120
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Yeah Asian handicap is a built in hedge/2 bets in one split in half on the wager amount. +2 isn't, if 0 or 1 goals scored it's a loss, 2 goals scored it's cancelled/push, and 3 or more you win wager+120.

 
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JaxBill said:
UEFA WCQ 

Czech - Germany ov 2.5 -129

Germany - 1.5 +115
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As you have seen, I'm still learning soccer and betting. My local is offering:

O 2.5/3 +105
Ger -1/1.5 +105

Care to give thoughts on those split odds? I'm sorry, like I said these "&" bets really get me sometimes. 

 
Speaking of these, years ago I bet +1 at a corner store Ladbrokes on QPR vs. Chelsea in London and went to the game. Great time, QPR lost 1-0. Went to go collect pushed wager back, told it was a loser. Asked why in the heck that's not a push, apparently in shop pushes on spread bets are losses, or this person was a total idiot. I lean latter, was only 50 pounds but to this day angers me. Now as much as having +2000 win and +700 draw on QPR @ Man City and up 1-0 Man City scoring in 89 and 91, but it's the principle and all here.

 
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mquinnjr said:
Speaking of these, years ago I bet +1 at a corner store Ladbrokes on QPR vs. Chelsea in London and went to the game. Great time, QPR lost 1-0. Went to go collect pushed wager back, told it was a loser. Asked why in the heck that's not a push, apparently in shop pushes on spread bets are losses, or this person was a total idiot. I lean latter, was only 50 pounds but to this day angers me. Now as much as having +2000 win and +700 draw on QPR @ Man City and up 1-0 Man City scoring in 89 and 91, but it's the principle and all here.
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Those guys who work those shops are pretty clueless. Don't think they're even at the level of a standard ticket-writer in Vegas, they're basically just there to cash out tickets.

I made a bet there this summer, and even though the specific question I had was clearly evident on their website (whether a DQ was included in a Mayweather KO bet, it was), they just had to look at it. IDK.

 
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strykerpks said:
As you have seen, I'm still learning soccer and betting. My local is offering:

O 2.5/3 +105
Ger -1/1.5 +105

Care to give thoughts on those split odds? I'm sorry, like I said these "&" bets really get me sometimes. 
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I really like the second one. You're getting half of your bet to push if Germany only wins by one.

First one if I bet 130 and total is 3 or higher i get 100 plus 130 back. If you bet 130 and total is 3 you get 65 plus 130 back. If total is 4+ you get 140 plus 130 back. So I dunno.

ETA - does your local offer Germany TT ov 2.5. I doubt Czech scores.  They might offer better odds on that. I am lukewarm on that over line.

 
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Other reason I like Germany today is tournament schedule.  Top 2 in each group move on. (Second place teams move on to play off for 4 spots). Germany running away with group but not clinched yet. Northern Ireland is in 2nd with 4 point lead over Czech. Those two play in Northern Ireland on Monday. Monday match is much more important to Czech qualification than today.

 
gussy said:
If I'm not mistaken every FCS team covered in games vs. FBS teams tonight, and the only game I didn't have a line on, Tennessee St. beat Georgia St. outright.

Update:I guess I missed that Utah covered against NorDak. Otherwise FCS undefeated ATS.

Huh.
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I had ND +22 against Utah, the early line covered.

 
Also like the home dog NIU +3.5 against ACC also-ran Boston College. Could be an offensively challenged game so I'll take the points.

 
2015:
Addazio did not say during his noon press luncheon Monday at Conte Forum which quarterback he planned to start against the Demon Deacons. "I'm not a two-quarterback guy, OK?" Addazio said, when asked if he saw either Flutie or Smith take control of the offense. "I don't think either one is 'taking' it. They've both had their moments of good things and their moments of bad things. On top of what I just said, I'm not sure that either one at this point can handle the whole game," Addazio added.

[Subsequently loses 3-0 to Wake Forest]

Addazio's Game Mismanagement Plagues BC In Embarrassing Loss .... perhaps the worst game management this school has ever seen on the turf at Alumni Stadium. Addazio's indecisiveness for who should start behind center has never been more apparent than in today's game .... What's even more shocking than the play itself is the clear dysfunction between Addazio and his quarterback.

2017:
Boston College football has not named a starting quarterback as of Tuesday afternoon - and it appears likely it will stay that way until the Eagles kick off their season Friday night.

Speaking at his weekly news conference Tuesday, coach Steve Addazio said that he has a plan in place when it comes to senior Darius Wade and redshirt freshman Anthony Brown, but he's not ready to share it. "So we have a plan in place right now, and I'm going to keep that plan with us right now and act upon it according to what we've laid out for ourselves," Addazio said. "There's no competitive advantage for me in any way, shape, or form, to show everything what we want to do, why we want to do it."
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I agree w/ Jax. The way the HC is treating this situation reeks of the same failure that they incurred back in 2015.

 
ChainsawU said:
man I got an epic play for the GOAT - greatest opener of all time
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Alabama's Record in Openers


Alabama has been just as dominant in neutral site openers as it has been against Saban's former assistants. The Crimson Tide is unbeaten in its seven neutral site openers with Saban as HC (6-1 ATS and 5-1-1 O/U scoring an average of 38±7 ppg). They hold an average margin of victory of just under 23 points in those games (23±12) - games in which no opponent has been able to finish within a 10-point margin.

Giving Nick Saban an entire offseason to prepare is a recipe for disaster for most teams. Adding January's heartbreaking loss to Clemson in the National Championship Game only makes a well-prepared team even hungrier. That combination could prove deadly enough to make the Seminoles Alabama's eighth-straight neutral site opening win. Here are the seven previous games in that situation:

USC (2016)
Score: No. 1 Alabama 52, No. 20 USC 6
Location: AdvoCare Classic (AT&T Stadium)
What happened: The defending national champions overwhelmed USC with a defense that allowed just 194 total yards. The Crimson Tide scored 38 unanswered points by true freshman quarterback Jalen Hurts after falling behind 3-0.
Fallout: It was USC's worst loss since losing to Notre Dame 51-0 in 1966. That's brutal. It's another example of Alabama flexing its muscles in the national spotlight. Who's next?

Wisconsin (2015)
Score: No. 3 Alabama 35, No. 20 Wisconsin 17
Location: AdvoCare Classic (AT&T Stadium)
What happened: Alabama started its fourth national title run under Saban by beating its second Big Ten opponent in Jerry World. Derrick Henry started his Heisman Trophy campaign by rushing for 147 yards and three touchdowns.
Fallout: Wisconsin still won 10 games, but they didn't beat a ranked team all season. They still learned their lesson, opening 2016 with a win against No. 5 LSU at Lambeau Field.

West Virginia (2014)
Score:  No. 2 Alabama 33, West Virginia 23
Location: Chick-fil-A Kickoff (Georgia Dome)
What happened: West Virginia hung around in this one and trailed 20-17 at halftime, but a 19-yard touchdown run by Derrick Henry in the second half opened up the lead for Alabama. The Crimson Tide won another SEC title and reached the College Football Playoff.
Fallout: West Virginia finished 7-6 under Dana Holgorsen before improving to 8-5 the following season.

Virginia Tech (2013)
Score: No. 1 Alabama 35, Virginia Tech 10
Location: Chick-fil-A Kickoff (Georgia Dome)
What happened: Alabama reversed "Beamer Ball." Christion Jones returned a kickoff and a punt for touchdowns in the first half, and the Crimson Tide started an 11-2 season with another convincing win.
Fallout: Virginia Tech finished the season 8-5 and had back-to-back 7-6 seasons before Frank Beamer retired.

Michigan (2012)
Score: No. 2 Alabama 48, No. 8 Michigan 14
Location: Cowboys Classic (AT&T Stadium)
What happened: Alabama opened its national title defense by jumping out to a 31-0 lead against a Michigan team that won the Sugar Bowl the previous season. That started another national championship run for Alabama.
Fallout: Michigan was never the same under Brady Hoke. The Wolverines finished 8-5 that season before compiling a 12-13 record the next two seasons.

Virginia Tech (2009)
Score: No. 5 Alabama 34, No. 7 Virginia Tech 24
Location: Chick-fil-A Kickoff (Georgia Dome)
What happened: Alabama opened its first national championship run under Saban with a 10-point win against Virginia Tech. The Hokies led heading into the fourth quarter before Tide running back Mark Ingram scored two touchdown runs.
Fallout: The Hokies recovered. They won their next five games and finished 10-3 before beating Tennessee in the Chick-fil-A Bowl.

Clemson (2008)
Score: No. 24 Alabama 34, No. 9 Clemson 10
Location: Chick-fil-A Kickoff (Georgia Dome)
What happened: Alabama announced its return to big-time college football by jumping out to a 23-3 halftime lead. John Parker Wilson threw two toucdowns. The Tide finished 12-0 before losing to Florida in the SEC championship game.
Fallout: Clemson fired Tommy Bowden six games into the season after a 3-3 start. That worked out long term with Dabo Swinney, but the Tigers finished 7-6 that season.

Saturday's Atmosphere

The atmosphere surrounding this matchup will be electric. College Gameday chose this game as its host, for obvious reasons. This game opens up Atlanta's new, billion-dollar Mercedes-Benz stadium. Both teams have dark horse heisman contenders at quarterback and defenses that will make them prove their talent. Finally, this game has two of college football's most eccentric fan bases that have been wanting to see this matchup for four years. Atlanta will be rocking all week, and the proximity of both fan bases to the area will provide fuel for both teams.

https://goo.gl/OZTdFA
https://goo.gl/RySgCj

What I found: Saban career 19-5-1 O/U overall in neutral site games, with Jimbo at 7-6 O/U career on a neutral, but 6-0 O/U L6 since 2014 allowing 38±10 opponent points per game. That's a combined 15-2 to the over for both coaches on neutral sites since the beginning of the 2014 season.

 
Man I hope we don’t #### around for the 1st half before trying to come back like we did last opener vs Ole Miss.  I don’t need that stress in my life.

 
JaxBill said:
I really like the second one. You're getting half of your bet to push if Germany only wins by one.

First one if I bet 130 and total is 3 or higher i get 100 plus 130 back. If you bet 130 and total is 3 you get 65 plus 130 back. If total is 4+ you get 140 plus 130 back. So I dunno.

ETA - does your local offer Germany TT ov 2.5. I doubt Czech scores.  They might offer better odds on that. I am lukewarm on that over line.
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Thanks, that makes sense. I was struggling with it last night.

Unfortunately he's pretty limited on what he offers. He uses a site called bookiemarket that we log into as a "fantasy book". It's pretty much straight sides and totals with a few props mixed in...and those props are mostly Antonio Brown vs Jordy Nelson receiving yards type props.

 
derek245583 said:
My kids wanna go to the UM/Rutgers game to see if they can get 80 :lmao:
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wasnt there a 3 game stretch or something last yr where they lost like 150-14 to michigan michigan st and another team

eta

they lost 58-0, 78-0 and 49-0 to OSU, Umich and MSU

 
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swirvenirvin said:
wasnt there a 3 game stretch or something last yr where they lost like 150-14 to michigan michigan st and another team
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They lost 58-0 and 78-0 in consecutive weeks to Ohio State and Michigan. A month later they lost 49-0 and 39-0 to Michigan State and Penn State.

Four game total like 214-0.

 
The only time McElwain has faced Harbaugh was as a 4-point, neutral site underdog in the Citrus Bowl with 26 days to prepare; ended up losing 41-7.

 
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