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Official Great Works Draft (3 Viewers)
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Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Working on prelim rankings for Songs.
As previously mentioned, this sucks.
Loose judging criteria in somewhat order of importance:
Historical significance
Musical significance
Longevity
Popularity
Musical achievement
Lyrical achievement
How much I like it
As previously mentioned, this sucks.
Loose judging criteria in somewhat order of importance:
Historical significance
Musical significance
Longevity
Popularity
Musical achievement
Lyrical achievement
How much I like it
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Song Tiers - 1st Stab
No ranking currently done within tiers.
Tier assignment subject to change
I
Amazing Grace
The Battle Hymn of the Republic
Imagine
Johnny B. Goode
Like A Rolling Stone
Over the Rainbow
Stille Nacht (Silent Night)
St. Louis Blues
Strange Fruit
Summertime
II
A Change is Gonna Come
Bohemian Rhapsody
Greensleeves
Hey Jude
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Stairway to Heaven
Take the "A" Train
What's Going On
White Christmas
III
Blowin' In The Wind
God Bless America
God Bless The Child
God Only Knows
My Generation
Respect
(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay
What A Wonderful World
Yesterday
IV
American Pie
Folsom Prison Blues
The House of the Rising Sun
Layla
Lili Marlene
Superstition
Sympathy for the Devil
Swing Low, Sweet Chariot
Take Five
This Land Is Your Land
V
The Alphabet Song
Baba O'Reilly
Cross Road Blues
Hallelujah
Kashmir
Moanin'
Minnie the Moocher
No Woman, No Cry
Unchained Melody
VI
Atmosphere
Ohio
Oh Pretty Woman
Purple Rain
Red House
Sing Sing Sing (With A Swing)
Smoke on the Water
Welcome to the Jungle
Wish You Were Here
My Picks
Good Vibrations
So What
The Way You Look Tonight
No ranking currently done within tiers.
Tier assignment subject to change
I
Amazing Grace
The Battle Hymn of the Republic
Imagine
Johnny B. Goode
Like A Rolling Stone
Over the Rainbow
Stille Nacht (Silent Night)
St. Louis Blues
Strange Fruit
Summertime
II
A Change is Gonna Come
Bohemian Rhapsody
Greensleeves
Hey Jude
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Stairway to Heaven
Take the "A" Train
What's Going On
White Christmas
III
Blowin' In The Wind
God Bless America
God Bless The Child
God Only Knows
My Generation
Respect
(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay
What A Wonderful World
Yesterday
IV
American Pie
Folsom Prison Blues
The House of the Rising Sun
Layla
Lili Marlene
Superstition
Sympathy for the Devil
Swing Low, Sweet Chariot
Take Five
This Land Is Your Land
V
The Alphabet Song
Baba O'Reilly
Cross Road Blues
Hallelujah
Kashmir
Moanin'
Minnie the Moocher
No Woman, No Cry
Unchained Melody
VI
Atmosphere
Ohio
Oh Pretty Woman
Purple Rain
Red House
Sing Sing Sing (With A Swing)
Smoke on the Water
Welcome to the Jungle
Wish You Were Here
My Picks
Good Vibrations
So What
The Way You Look Tonight
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krista4
Footballguy
INSULTS!!!!I challenge you to a dance!
Basketball court under the freeway at midnight.
Nope, nothing gay about West Side Story.
krista4
Footballguy
Take Five and This Land is Your Land two tiers below Smells Like Teen Spirit and Stairway to Heaven.
Um, I mean, great job.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Take Five and This Land is Your Land two tiers below Smells Like Teen Spirit and Stairway to Heaven.
I was this |<>| freakin' close to sayin' frack this sheet and bowing out of judging . . .
krista4
Footballguy
Judging's a #####.Take Five and This Land is Your Land two tiers below Smells Like Teen Spirit and Stairway to Heaven.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Oh and by the way, I hate Dave Brubeck and This Land is Your Land makes me want to punch a bunny . . .Judging's a #####.Take Five and This Land is Your Land two tiers below Smells Like Teen Spirit and Stairway to Heaven.
flysack
Footballguy
Ministry. Tier 1, easy.
krista4
Footballguy
You're such an idiot! You don't know anything! What are you, some Supreme Song Critic??!?!?!? This is a traveshamockery! I demand my money back!Oh and by the way, I hate Dave Brubeck and This Land is Your Land makes me want to punch a bunny . . .Judging's a #####.Take Five and This Land is Your Land two tiers below Smells Like Teen Spirit and Stairway to Heaven.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Wha?Honey?!?!You're such an idiot! You don't know anything! What are you, some Supreme Song Critic??!?!?!? This is a traveshamockery! I demand my money back!Oh and by the way, I hate Dave Brubeck and This Land is Your Land makes me want to punch a bunny . . .Judging's a #####.Take Five and This Land is Your Land two tiers below Smells Like Teen Spirit and Stairway to Heaven.
Um, I mean, great job.
Is that you???
YOU'RE KRISTA?!?!?!?!?!?
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krista4
Footballguy
Postradamus
Footballguy
GULP.
I have yet to do significant research so tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Acting Performance Tiers
Tier 1
Terry Malloy in On the Waterfront - Marlon Brando
Sophie Zawistowski in "Sophie's Choice" - Meryl Streep
Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull - Robert DeNiro
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb - Peter Sellers
Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver - Robert DeNiro
Gandhi - Sir Ben Kingsley
Dr. Hannibal Lector in The Silence of the Lambs - Sir Anthony Hopkins
R.P. McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Jack Nicholson
Sonny Wortzik in Dog Day Afternoon - Al Pacino
Don Vito Corleone in The Godfather - Marlon Brando
Tier 2
Col. Nicholson in The Bridge on the River Kwai - Sir Alec Guinness
Christy Brown in My Left Foot - Daniel Day Lewis
Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With The Wind - Vivien Leigh
Atticus Finch in To Kill A Mockingbird - Gregory Peck
The Great Dictator - Charlie Chaplin
George M. Cohan in Yankee Doodle Dandy - James Cagney
Henry V - Sir Laurence Olivier
Stanley Kowlski in A Streetcar Named Desire - Marlon Brando
Lt. Col. Wilbur "Bull" Meechum in The Great Santini - Robert Duvall
Patton - George C. Scott
Tier 3
Jack Torrance in The Shining - Jack Nicholson
Don Michael Corleone in The Godfather II - Al Pacino
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore in Apocalypse Now - Robert Duvall
Rick Blaine in Casablanca - Humphrey Bogart
George Baily in It's a Wonderful Life - James Stewart
Eleanor of Aquitaine in the Lion of Winter - Katherine Hepburn
Shelley "The Machine" Levene in Glengarry Glen Ross - Jack Lemmon
The Passion of Joan of Arc - Renee Maria Falconetti
Robert Eroica Dupea in Five Easy Pieces - Jack Nicholson
Last Tango in Paris - Marlon Brando
Tier 4
Guido Orefice in Life Is Beautiful - Roberto Benigni
Commander James Bond in Goldfinger - Sean Connery
Norman Bates in Psycho - Anthony Perkins
The Joker in The Dark Knight - Heath Ledger
Amon Goeth in Schindler's List - Ralph Fiennes
Juror #8 in 12 Angry Men - Henry Fonda
Patrick Bateman in American Psycho - Christian Bale
Antonion Saleri in Amadeus - F. Murray Abraham
Sara Goldfarb in Requiem for a Dream - Ellen Burstyn
Raymond Babbitt in Rain Main - Dustin Hoffman
Tier 5
Truman Capote in Capote - Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Anton Chigurh in No Country for Old Men - Javier Bardem
Mary Poppins in Mary Poppins - Julie Andrews
Marshal Will Kane in High Noon - Gary Cooper
Tony Montana in Scarface - Al Pacino
A Woman Under the Influence - Gena Rowlands
Dr. Christian Szell in Marathon Man - Sir Lawrence Olivier
Forrest Gump in Forrest Gump - Tom Hanks
Capt. Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean - Johnny Depp
Clarice M. Starling in The Silence of the Lambs - Jodi Foster
Tier 6
Enrico Ratso Rizzo in Midnight Cowboy - Dustin Hoffman
The Elephant Man - John Hurt
Mr. Blonde in Reservoir Dogs - Michael Madsen
The Year of Living Dangerously - Linda Hunt
Andrew Beckett in Philadelphia - Tom Hanks
Carlo Bartolucci (Charlie Barret) in Suicide Kings - Christopher Walken
Don Lockwood in Singin' In The Rain - Gene Kelly
Detective James "Popeye" Doyle in The French Connection - Gene Hackman
Fred C. Dobbs in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre - Humphrey Bogart
Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf - Elizabeth Taylor
Tier 7
Gordon Gekko in Wall Street - Michael Douglas
Max Cady in Cape Fear - Robert Mitchum
Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood - Daniel Day Lewis
Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard - Gloria Swanson
Luke Jackson in Cool Hand Luke - Paul Newman
Jim Stark in Rebel Without A Cause - James Dean
Ruth Popper in The Last Picture Show - Cloris Leachman
Professor Kingsfield in The Paper Chase - John Houseman
Father Flanagan in Boy's Town - Spencer Tracy
Homer Parrish in The Best Years of Our Lives - Harold Russell
Tier 8
Bad Lieutenant in Bad Lieutenant - Harvey Keitel
Tuco in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Eli Wallach
Loren Visser in Blood Simple - M. Emmet Walsh
Randy "The Ram" Robinson - Mickey Rourke
Helene McCready in Gone Baby Gone - Amy Ryan
Ethan Edwards in The Searchers - John Wayne
Team Guapo’s picks:
T.E. Lawrence in Lawrence of Arabia - Peter O'Toole
Howard Beale in Network - Peter Finch
Ray Charles in Ray - Jamie Foxx
Edward Scissorhands - Johnny Depp
I have yet to do significant research so tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Acting Performance Tiers
Tier 1
Terry Malloy in On the Waterfront - Marlon Brando
Sophie Zawistowski in "Sophie's Choice" - Meryl Streep
Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull - Robert DeNiro
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb - Peter Sellers
Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver - Robert DeNiro
Gandhi - Sir Ben Kingsley
Dr. Hannibal Lector in The Silence of the Lambs - Sir Anthony Hopkins
R.P. McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Jack Nicholson
Sonny Wortzik in Dog Day Afternoon - Al Pacino
Don Vito Corleone in The Godfather - Marlon Brando
Tier 2
Col. Nicholson in The Bridge on the River Kwai - Sir Alec Guinness
Christy Brown in My Left Foot - Daniel Day Lewis
Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With The Wind - Vivien Leigh
Atticus Finch in To Kill A Mockingbird - Gregory Peck
The Great Dictator - Charlie Chaplin
George M. Cohan in Yankee Doodle Dandy - James Cagney
Henry V - Sir Laurence Olivier
Stanley Kowlski in A Streetcar Named Desire - Marlon Brando
Lt. Col. Wilbur "Bull" Meechum in The Great Santini - Robert Duvall
Patton - George C. Scott
Tier 3
Jack Torrance in The Shining - Jack Nicholson
Don Michael Corleone in The Godfather II - Al Pacino
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore in Apocalypse Now - Robert Duvall
Rick Blaine in Casablanca - Humphrey Bogart
George Baily in It's a Wonderful Life - James Stewart
Eleanor of Aquitaine in the Lion of Winter - Katherine Hepburn
Shelley "The Machine" Levene in Glengarry Glen Ross - Jack Lemmon
The Passion of Joan of Arc - Renee Maria Falconetti
Robert Eroica Dupea in Five Easy Pieces - Jack Nicholson
Last Tango in Paris - Marlon Brando
Tier 4
Guido Orefice in Life Is Beautiful - Roberto Benigni
Commander James Bond in Goldfinger - Sean Connery
Norman Bates in Psycho - Anthony Perkins
The Joker in The Dark Knight - Heath Ledger
Amon Goeth in Schindler's List - Ralph Fiennes
Juror #8 in 12 Angry Men - Henry Fonda
Patrick Bateman in American Psycho - Christian Bale
Antonion Saleri in Amadeus - F. Murray Abraham
Sara Goldfarb in Requiem for a Dream - Ellen Burstyn
Raymond Babbitt in Rain Main - Dustin Hoffman
Tier 5
Truman Capote in Capote - Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Anton Chigurh in No Country for Old Men - Javier Bardem
Mary Poppins in Mary Poppins - Julie Andrews
Marshal Will Kane in High Noon - Gary Cooper
Tony Montana in Scarface - Al Pacino
A Woman Under the Influence - Gena Rowlands
Dr. Christian Szell in Marathon Man - Sir Lawrence Olivier
Forrest Gump in Forrest Gump - Tom Hanks
Capt. Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean - Johnny Depp
Clarice M. Starling in The Silence of the Lambs - Jodi Foster
Tier 6
Enrico Ratso Rizzo in Midnight Cowboy - Dustin Hoffman
The Elephant Man - John Hurt
Mr. Blonde in Reservoir Dogs - Michael Madsen
The Year of Living Dangerously - Linda Hunt
Andrew Beckett in Philadelphia - Tom Hanks
Carlo Bartolucci (Charlie Barret) in Suicide Kings - Christopher Walken
Don Lockwood in Singin' In The Rain - Gene Kelly
Detective James "Popeye" Doyle in The French Connection - Gene Hackman
Fred C. Dobbs in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre - Humphrey Bogart
Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf - Elizabeth Taylor
Tier 7
Gordon Gekko in Wall Street - Michael Douglas
Max Cady in Cape Fear - Robert Mitchum
Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood - Daniel Day Lewis
Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard - Gloria Swanson
Luke Jackson in Cool Hand Luke - Paul Newman
Jim Stark in Rebel Without A Cause - James Dean
Ruth Popper in The Last Picture Show - Cloris Leachman
Professor Kingsfield in The Paper Chase - John Houseman
Father Flanagan in Boy's Town - Spencer Tracy
Homer Parrish in The Best Years of Our Lives - Harold Russell
Tier 8
Bad Lieutenant in Bad Lieutenant - Harvey Keitel
Tuco in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Eli Wallach
Loren Visser in Blood Simple - M. Emmet Walsh
Randy "The Ram" Robinson - Mickey Rourke
Helene McCready in Gone Baby Gone - Amy Ryan
Ethan Edwards in The Searchers - John Wayne
Team Guapo’s picks:
T.E. Lawrence in Lawrence of Arabia - Peter O'Toole
Howard Beale in Network - Peter Finch
Ray Charles in Ray - Jamie Foxx
Edward Scissorhands - Johnny Depp
TidesofWar
Footballguy
Teen Spirit and Bohemian Rhapsody are far too high, imoPretty Good Job tho, for a start!Take Five and This Land is Your Land two tiers below Smells Like Teen Spirit and Stairway to Heaven.
BTW - Michael Jackson sends his accolades on selecting The Vienna Boys Choir
krista4
Footballguy
The Gary Cooper ranking really stood out to me as well. Don't agree on Rain Man--think that performance is generally way overrated.I'll be back with more comments after dinner.Those look pretty good.
Postradamus
Footballguy
I had to look back and remind myself where I put that. High Noon is a great film, my 2nd favorite western after Unforgiven. I agree, it should prob be bumped up.The Gary Cooper ranking really stood out to me as well. Don't agree on Rain Man--think that performance is generally way overrated.I'll be back with more comments after dinner.Those look pretty good.
TidesofWar
Footballguy
Hopefully its not VietnameseThe Gary Cooper ranking really stood out to me as well. Don't agree on Rain Man--think that performance is generally way overrated.I'll be back with more comments after dinner.Those look pretty good.I'd say you very much off on Raymond Babbitt in Rain Main - Dustin Hoffman and Marshal Will Kane in High Noon - Gary Cooper. Both should be much higher.
Bonzai
Footballguy
I thought Rain Man was great. Part of the movie was filmed in the area of Kentucky I lived in, so maybe I'm a bit biased. Ever eaten at Pompilios, Postradamus? Still, I thought his performance was generally well thought of in that, no?The Gary Cooper ranking really stood out to me as well. Don't agree on Rain Man--think that performance is generally way overrated.I'll be back with more comments after dinner.Those look pretty good.
thatguy
Footballguy
It's definitely some food for thought.
Postradamus
Footballguy
I live 5 minutes from the convent. New trees growing currently as they've chopped the old giants due to maintainence issues. Pompilio's is always a great meal. Love it. No doubt Hoffman was great in the film.I thought Rain Man was great. Part of the movie was filmed in the area of Kentucky I lived in, so maybe I'm a bit biased. Ever eaten at Pompilios, Postradamus? Still, I thought his performance was generally well thought of in that, no?The Gary Cooper ranking really stood out to me as well. Don't agree on Rain Man--think that performance is generally way overrated.I'll be back with more comments after dinner.Those look pretty good.
krista4
Footballguy
I went there once, a couple of years after the movie came out. We were on our way from Louisville to Kings Island, I think--or maybe it was a Reds game we were going to--and just decided to stop for lunch somewhere. Had no idea what the place was. Don't remember much about the meal other than it was pretty good and we kept wondering why there were so many pictures of Rain Man around it--then :( as we realized it was where the toothpick scene was filmed.His performance in that movie is to me very one-note. By virtue of playing someone with autism he necessarily had to tone down any emotion and was left with just talking with a strange voice and weird mannerisms, and that's it. A lot like Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump, IMO. Not terrible by any means, but way too many better performances on this list.I thought Rain Man was great. Part of the movie was filmed in the area of Kentucky I lived in, so maybe I'm a bit biased. Ever eaten at Pompilios, Postradamus? Still, I thought his performance was generally well thought of in that, no?The Gary Cooper ranking really stood out to me as well. Don't agree on Rain Man--think that performance is generally way overrated.I'll be back with more comments after dinner.Those look pretty good.I'd say you very much off on Raymond Babbitt in Rain Main - Dustin Hoffman and Marshal Will Kane in High Noon - Gary Cooper. Both should be much higher.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't either of those two is nearly as impressive as some of the memorables leading roles that drive a movie or supporting roles that consistently steal scenes.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I just noticed Buddy Holly was completely avoided in this draft. I hereby declare a misdraft.
1.01 is on the clock.
1.01 is on the clock.
krista4
Footballguy
Bonzai
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
AMC? Yeah, lot of good movies on that channel the next few weeks (Sophie's Choice and a bunch of other Streep movies next week).Generally agree with Genedoc's too high/too low color coding, with the exception of Bale in AP.
Tirnan
Footballguy
Ok Bonzai, this is a fair argument. I admit I am aiming more towards the blind faith form of scientism and the various non repeatable experiments that fall into voodoo science. My definition of good science is experiments and evidence that can be replicated in independent labs with the same results. IMHO much of the current climatology "science" (as an example) not only can not be, but is being pushed for purely political capital reasons. I agree that science has made all of our lives much better in every way. For example they had to put a stint in my heart recently, 20 years ago I would have likely died before they could get one in. Thats scientific progress.For arguments sake, I have been playing devils advocate and arguing the point of science as a religion. I could be blowing it out of proportion, but I do think too many people take it on faith alone. Faith because someone else told them to believe, faith because smarter people tell them its true, faith because they wouldn't even know where to begin to try to reproduce the results (an indictment against the educational system).It wasn't my pick, but I really did like it as a wildcard. I view it as a modern religion. I do like some of the points you made though and will accept that your view is likely the more prevalent one among reasonable men.
Tirnan
Footballguy
True genedoc, it was a poor example. Compare instead Angels and Climatology predictions that support global warming and or those that deny global warming.I don't know why I got caught up in climatology, I can probably provide better examples if I was more motivated to dig.
Tirnan
Footballguy
yep, just threw in a few examples and wandered away from the keyboard for a bit.
krista4
Footballguy
My comments. Peter O'Toole will certainly be in the top tier when I put yours into the rankings. Will think more about the others--actual slotting will depend upon where everything shakes out.GULP.
I have yet to do significant research so tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Acting Performance Tiers
Tier 1
Terry Malloy in On the Waterfront - Marlon Brando
Sophie Zawistowski in "Sophie's Choice" - Meryl Streep
Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull - Robert DeNiro
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb - Peter Sellers
Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver - Robert DeNiro
Gandhi - Sir Ben Kingsley
Dr. Hannibal Lector in The Silence of the Lambs - Sir Anthony Hopkins
R.P. McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Jack Nicholson
Sonny Wortzik in Dog Day Afternoon - Al Pacino
Don Vito Corleone in The Godfather - Marlon Brando
The only one I think is not deserving of Tier 1 here is Anthony Hopkins. I know this will be met with a lot of scorn, but I don't believe this is first tier because (1) this is not Anthony Hopkins' best performance (The Remains of the Day is), (2) this is not the best portrayal of Hannibal Lecter (Brian Cox' was), and (3) this is not the best performance in this movie (both Jodie Foster and Ted Levine were better). For these reasons, I'd have this in Tier 2, but I expect to be shouted down on that.
Tier 2
Col. Nicholson in The Bridge on the River Kwai - Sir Alec Guinness
Christy Brown in My Left Foot - Daniel Day Lewis
Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With The Wind - Vivien Leigh
Atticus Finch in To Kill A Mockingbird - Gregory Peck - slightly too high; love the role but it wasn't much of a stretch for him
The Great Dictator - Charlie Chaplin
George M. Cohan in Yankee Doodle Dandy - James Cagney
Henry V - Sir Laurence Olivier
Stanley Kowlski in A Streetcar Named Desire - Marlon Brando
Lt. Col. Wilbur "Bull" Meechum in The Great Santini - Robert Duvall
Patton - George C. Scott
This tier also looks really good.
Tier 3
Jack Torrance in The Shining - Jack Nicholson
Don Michael Corleone in The Godfather II - Al Pacino - could be Tier 2
Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore in Apocalypse Now - Robert Duvall
Rick Blaine in Casablanca - Humphrey Bogart
George Baily in It's a Wonderful Life - James Stewart Fennis is going to kill me but I think this is a little too high--again it's a beloved role, like the Gregory Peck role, but not nearly Stewart's best acting
Eleanor of Aquitaine in the Lion of Winter - Katherine Hepburn
Shelley "The Machine" Levene in Glengarry Glen Ross - Jack Lemmon - I'd even go Tier 2 with this one
The Passion of Joan of Arc - Renee Maria Falconetti
Robert Eroica Dupea in Five Easy Pieces - Jack Nicholson
Last Tango in Paris - Marlon Brando
Tier 4
Guido Orefice in Life Is Beautiful - Roberto Benigni - too high--Benigni being Benigni
Commander James Bond in Goldfinger - Sean Connery too high
Norman Bates in Psycho - Anthony Perkins
The Joker in The Dark Knight - Heath Ledger too high--it's a great comic book performance, but it's a comic book performance
Amon Goeth in Schindler's List - Ralph Fiennes
Juror #8 in 12 Angry Men - Henry Fonda
Patrick Bateman in American Psycho - Christian Bale
Antonion Saleri in Amadeus - F. Murray Abraham
Sara Goldfarb in Requiem for a Dream - Ellen Burstyn
Raymond Babbitt in Rain Main - Dustin Hoffman too high
I could see all of the ones I haven't listed as "too high" switching with Tier 3, except the Al Pacino and Jack Lemmon performances should stay in Tier 3 or even go to Tier 2.
Tier 5
Truman Capote in Capote - Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Anton Chigurh in No Country for Old Men - Javier Bardem - too high; I love the guy and the movie, but this one won't stand the test of time for great performances
Mary Poppins in Mary Poppins - Julie Andrews
Marshal Will Kane in High Noon - Gary Cooper - too low
Tony Montana in Scarface - Al Pacino - too high; shouting in a really awful Cuban accent does not a great performance make
A Woman Under the Influence - Gena Rowlands - too low
Dr. Christian Szell in Marathon Man - Sir Lawrence Olivier
Forrest Gump in Forrest Gump - Tom Hanks - too high
Capt. Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean - Johnny Depp
Clarice M. Starling in The Silence of the Lambs - Jodi Foster
Tier 6
Enrico Ratso Rizzo in Midnight Cowboy - Dustin Hoffman - better performance here than in Rain Man
The Elephant Man - John Hurt - probably doesn't get the credit he deserves because of the makeup, but could go slightly higher
Mr. Blonde in Reservoir Dogs - Michael Madsen
The Year of Living Dangerously - Linda Hunt
Andrew Beckett in Philadelphia - Tom Hanks - too high--the opposite of John Hurt, in this Hanks let the make-up do all the acting, except for the opera scene
Carlo Bartolucci (Charlie Barret) in Suicide Kings - Christopher Walken
Don Lockwood in Singin' In The Rain - Gene Kelly - would have this slightly higher if I could find a spot for it
Detective James "Popeye" Doyle in The French Connection - Gene Hackman - waaaaaaaay too low
Fred C. Dobbs in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre - Humphrey Bogart - I prefer this to his performance in Casablanca, but I can see why that's debatable
Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf - Elizabeth Taylor
Tier 7
Gordon Gekko in Wall Street - Michael Douglas
Max Cady in Cape Fear - Robert Mitchum
Daniel Plainview in There Will Be Blood - Daniel Day Lewis - waaaaaaaaaaay too low
Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard - Gloria Swanson - I didn't get this performance but it is historically rated extremely highly
Luke Jackson in Cool Hand Luke - Paul Newman
Jim Stark in Rebel Without A Cause - James Dean
Ruth Popper in The Last Picture Show - Cloris Leachman
Professor Kingsfield in The Paper Chase - John Houseman
Father Flanagan in Boy's Town - Spencer Tracy
Homer Parrish in The Best Years of Our Lives - Harold Russell
By the time of Tiers 6 and 7, I keep thinking to myself "how could this be in such a low tier?" but then realizing there's nothing that could be moved down. Hate to see Newman and Tracy this low, though. Drat.
Tier 8
Bad Lieutenant in Bad Lieutenant - Harvey Keitel
Tuco in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Eli Wallach
Loren Visser in Blood Simple - M. Emmet Walsh
Randy "The Ram" Robinson - Mickey Rourke
Helene McCready in Gone Baby Gone - Amy Ryan
Ethan Edwards in The Searchers - John Wayne
Each of these is a fantastic performance, but so are those above it, so this looks like as fair a last tier as you could get.
Team Guapo’s picks:
T.E. Lawrence in Lawrence of Arabia - Peter O'Toole
Howard Beale in Network - Peter Finch
Ray Charles in Ray - Jamie Foxx
Edward Scissorhands - Johnny Depp
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krista4
Footballguy
I think I just fourthed this.MisfitBlondes said:I know someone said this earlier but I'll
The Climatology/Global Warming analogy makes more sense, because the science is much less clear than something like the atom. However, even complicated, long term science still must make testable, falsifiable hypotheses or it isn't science, period. That is was plainly and clearly separates science from faith. There is nothing in science that is not falsifiable. Conversely, there is no evidence you can show the believer that will falsify the existence of angels or god.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Very moving, powerful, sad and heartbreaking; probably Streep's best role.WTF, man, its summertime...watch something silly and stupid instead.MisfitBlondes said:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Krista4 - you ever see that Hepburn interview where she talks about Streep? Katherine kinda inherited the greatest actress title from Bette Davis; in the 80s she got asked a lot about who would be labeled that after her (and Streep was usually the implied answer behind the Q). I think she probably got tired of answering it...and I saw this interview where she rolls her eyes and said "click...click...click...like watching a robot"
The interviewer tries to clarify she means Meryl and she just waves her hand and says "What else did you wanna talk about?"
Don't agree with Kate, but I love how she never held back.
The interviewer tries to clarify she means Meryl and she just waves her hand and says "What else did you wanna talk about?"
Don't agree with Kate, but I love how she never held back.
Postradamus
Footballguy
haven't seen French Connection, I'll investigate. Thanks for input, it's helpful.
krista4
Footballguy
Krista4 - you ever see that Hepburn interview where she talks about Streep? Katherine kinda inherited the greatest actress title from Bette Davis; in the 80s she got asked a lot about who would be labeled that after her (and Streep was usually the implied answer behind the Q). I think she probably got tired of answering it...and I saw this interview where she rolls her eyes and said "click...click...click...like watching a robot"
The interviewer tries to clarify she means Meryl and she just waves her hand and says "What else did you wanna talk about?"
Don't agree with Kate, but I love how she never held back.
Great story; I haven't seen the interview.
thatguy
Footballguy
Here's the deal.. I'll try to make some of my makeup picks tomorrow, but if anyone wants to make some picks for my team, feel free to. You know, if there is a particular work that you really think ought to have been drafted but was overlooked, go ahead and draft it for team thatguy.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Mostly adding to what's already been said about the acting performance rankings, but Gene Hackman is dynamite in The French Connection. Really damn good, and I definitely wouldn't mind seeing him a tier or two higher. Also, I do think that Peck's performance in To Kill A Mockingbird is generally overrated. It's certainly a great performance, but it doesn't deviate much at all from the traditional stoic lead role that was the standard at the time. It's a great version of that archetype (maybe the most iconic of the kind), but it's not as fresh and unique as the rest of the stuff in Tier 1.
Cool Hand Luke should definitely be higher. Newman was just the epitome of cool at the time. Ledger's Joker should be lower. Also, it's a damn shame that Eli Wallach is so low. It's an awesome, memorable performance, but the category is just stacked.
Cool Hand Luke should definitely be higher. Newman was just the epitome of cool at the time. Ledger's Joker should be lower. Also, it's a damn shame that Eli Wallach is so low. It's an awesome, memorable performance, but the category is just stacked.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Hey, it happens. Not nearly as shocking to me as learning that there's people out there who haven't seen Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
krista4
Footballguy
Hey, it happens. Not nearly as shocking to me as learning that there's people out there who haven't seen Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
How about you call dibs on one pick?I wanna take his last movie (my picks got slightly messed up while I was in the E.U. so I never got to take my Round 59 movie).MisfitBlondes said:Can I call dibs on the rest of thatguy's team?
Abrantes
Footballguy
Hey, it happens. Not nearly as shocking to me as learning that there's people out there who haven't seen Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
That reminds me, I'm slightly suprised Sidney Portier was not drafted. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, To Sir With Love and esp In the Heat of the Night ("They call me Mr. Tibbs")were all superb. For a couple years in the mid-to-late 60s he was the leading leading man.
