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Official Great Works Draft (6 Viewers)

20.12 BOOK OF THE THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT, Trans. by Sir Richard F. Burton (1884) - wildcard

My favorite assembly of prose. I would have taken it in the 1st five rds if there had been a category for it. Now that Canterbury & Decameron, etc have been allowed into categories they dont belong the gloves are off and, since it & La Commedia are the two works i most must have in this thing, i better get busy on it. i will, however, draft it into the only proper category for such collections.

If I can convince anyone reading this thread of anything, my 1st choice would be to get them to read the Burton Arabian Nights Entertainments. You're all familiar with Alladin, Ali Baba & Sinbad, but these stories are sososososo much more. I have become radically anti-Islam (in its modern form, at any rate) for reasons which have little to do with current events. When one sees the beauty, magic, ribaldry & depth of yearning/learning of the pre-Mohammedan Arab (and Persian) culture, one hates what has come to obstruct that. and you'll get no better portrait of desert peoples than in these volumes. if you do, be sure to get the Burton translation - he made a conscious effort to stage the stories across Middle Eastern world & was a bit of a perv, which really gives life & the right feeling to the Ways of the Jinna.

 
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20.12 BOOK OF THE THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT, Trans. by Sir Richard F. Burton (1884) - wildcard

My favorite assembly of prose. I would have taken it in the 1st five rds if there had been a category for it. Now that Canterbury & Decameron, etc have been allowed into categories they dont belong the gloves are off and, since it & La Commedia are the two works i most must have in this thing, i better get busy on it. i will, however, draft it into the only proper category for such collections.

If I can convince anyone reading this thread of anything, my 1st choice would be to get them to read the Burton Arabian Nights Entertainments. You're all familiar with Alladin, Ali Baba & Sinbad, but these stories are sososososo much more. I have become radically anti-Islam (in its modern form, at any rate) for reasons which have little to do with current events. When one sees the beauty, magic, ribaldry & depth of yearning/learning of the pre-Mohammedan Arab (and Persian) culture, one hates what has come to obstruct that. and you'll get no better portrait of desert peoples than in these volumes. if you do, be sure to get the Burton translation - he made a conscious effort to stage the stories across Middle Eastern world & was a bit of a perv, which really gives life & the right feeling to the Ways of the Jinna.
:lmao: :wall: :wall:

 
Lacking enough inspiration, I'll just bookend my picks...

19.19 NOVEL Les Misérables by Victor Hugo

translated variously from French as The Miserable Ones, The Wretched, The Poor Ones, The Wretched Poor, The Victims) (1862) is a novel by French author Victor Hugo. It follows the lives and interactions of several French characters over a twenty-year period in the early 19th century, starting in 1815, the year of Napoleon's final defeat at Waterloo. The novel focuses on the struggles of ex-convict Jean Valjean and his experience of redemption. It examines the nature of law and grace, and expounds upon the history of France, architecture of Paris, politics, moral philosophy, antimonarchism, justice, religion, and the types and nature of romantic and familial love. The story is historical fiction because it contains factual, historic events, including the Paris Uprising of 1832 (often mistaken for the much earlier French Revolution).

Les Misérables contains many plots, but the thread that binds them together is the story of the ex-convict, Jean Valjean (known by his prison number, 24601), who becomes a force for good in the world, but cannot escape his dark past. The novel is divided into five volumes, each volume divided into books, and subdivided into chapters. Each chapter is relatively short, usually no longer than a few pages. Nevertheless, the book as a whole is quite lengthy by usual standards, well exceeding 1,200 pages in unabridged editions. Within the borders of the novel's story, Hugo fills many pages with his thoughts on religion, politics, and society, including his three lengthy digressions, one being a discussion on enclosed religious orders, another being on argot, and most famously, his epic retelling of the Battle of Waterlo

Critical reactions were wide-ranging and often negative; some critics found the subject matter immoral, others complained of its excessive sentimentality, and still others were disquieted by its apparent sympathy with the revolutionaries.[2] The Goncourt brothers expressed their great dissatisfaction, judging the novel artificial and disappointing.[3] Flaubert could find within it "neither truth nor greatness."[4] French critic Charles Baudelaire reviewed the work glowingly in newspapers,[5] but in private castigated it as "tasteless and inept."

Nonetheless, the book was a great commercial success. The shortest correspondence in history is between Hugo and his publisher Hurst & Blackett in 1862. It is said Hugo was on vacation when Les Misérables (which is over 1200 pages) was published. He telegraphed the single-character message "?" to his publisher, who replied with a single "!". First translated into foreign languages (including Italian, Greek and Portuguese) the same year it originally appeared, it proved popular not only in France, but across Europe. It has been a popular book ever since it was published, and was a great favorite among the Confederate soldiers of the American Civil War, who called it "Lee's Miserables" (a reference to their deteriorating conditions under General Robert E. Lee). Its popularity continues to this day, and it is viewed for and by many as one of the most important novels written.

20.02 PLAY Les Misérables (Musical) composed by Claude-Michel Schönberg

a musical composed in 1980 by the French composer Claude-Michel Schönberg with a libretto by Alain Boublil. Sung through, it is one of the most performed musicals worldwide. On October 8, 2006, the show celebrated its 21st anniversary on London's West End and became the longest-running West End musical in history the following performance. It is still running (though it has changed venues).

The Broadway production opened on March 12, 1987 and was nominated for twelve Tony Awards, winning eight, including Best Musical and Best Original Score, and ran until May 18, 2003, closing after 6,680 performances. It is the third longest-running Broadway show in history.[2] A fully re-orchestrated Broadway revival opened on November 9, 2006 at the Broadhurst Theatre.

 
20.09 - The Law of Conservation of Energy Scientific Discovery aka, The First Law of Thermodynamics

The total amount of energy in the universe must remain constant. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed.
I'm not sure who best to attribute this to, Julius Robert von Mayer or James Joule. Any resident geeks care to share?
 
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20.09 - The Law of Conservation of Energy Scientific Discovery aka, The First Law of Thermodynamics

The total amount of energy in the universe must remain constant. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed.
I'm not sure who best to attribute this to, Julius Robert von Mayer or James Joule. Any resident geeks care to share?
Damn, I just assumed this had been picked. Steal!
 
Les Miserables is a wonderful novel, on my short list. As a musical play, I rank it above Phantom, and it might edge into my top ten musicals. However, the greatest musicals will be ranked somewhere below the greatest dramas, not all of which have been taken yet.

 
well ain't that a swift kick in the ding-ding.

19.16 (repick) - Jabberwocky (Lewis Carol - 1871) - Poem

#1 on anyone's list as far as nonsensical poetry is concerned. If not, your list is wrong. Was going to wait a bit... but since AiW was just picked... didn't want to miss on it.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!

The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!

Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun

The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:

Long time the manxome foe he sought—

So rested he by the Tumtum tree,

And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,

The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,

Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,

And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! and through and through

The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!

He left it dead, and with its head

He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?

Come to my arms, my beamish boy!

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"

He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.
This is my cat's... favorite poem.
WHAT?!?!?@#
 
Hey Bobby, here's my draft strategy while you're gone.

1. Happy Scrappy Hero Pup, FILM

2. Planet Earth: 2000 AD, by Hal Linsey - NON-FICTION

3. Twilight, NOVEL

4. Bela Lugosi as "Ghoul Man" in Plan 9 from Outer Space, ACTING PERFORMANCE

Reply to this pm and let me know what you think.

 
Hey Bobby, here's my draft strategy while you're gone.

1. Happy Scrappy Hero Pup, FILM

2. Planet Earth: 2000 AD, by Hal Linsey - NON-FICTION

3. Twilight, NOVEL

4. Bela Lugosi as "Ghoul Man" in Plan 9 from Outer Space, ACTING PERFORMANCE

Reply to this pm and let me know what you think.
Decided to just give up after missing out on In Search of Lost Time did ya? I don't blame you.
 
20.12 BOOK OF THE THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT, Trans. by Sir Richard F. Burton (1884) - wildcard

My favorite assembly of prose. I would have taken it in the 1st five rds if there had been a category for it. Now that Canterbury & Decameron, etc have been allowed into categories they dont belong the gloves are off and, since it & La Commedia are the two works i most must have in this thing, i better get busy on it. i will, however, draft it into the only proper category for such collections.
Hey I'll gladly move those two to WC, but I think maybe a lit. collection category would have nice in hindsight. I realized when I picked them that they didn't technically fit with the other picks in those categories, but I figured that they were the best fit for the works and didn't know what else to do with them since WC is so broad and figured they wouldn't score as well there. As I've said before, I have no problem moving them if there is objection! amongst my comrades. Peace and Love. :mellow: Great pick btw.

 
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20.12 BOOK OF THE THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT, Trans. by Sir Richard F. Burton (1884) - wildcard

My favorite assembly of prose. I would have taken it in the 1st five rds if there had been a category for it. Now that Canterbury & Decameron, etc have been allowed into categories they dont belong the gloves are off and, since it & La Commedia are the two works i most must have in this thing, i better get busy on it. i will, however, draft it into the only proper category for such collections.
Hey I'll gladly move those two to WC, but I think maybe a lit. collection category would have nice in hindsight. I realized when I picked them that they didn't technically fit with the other picks in those categories, but I figured that they were the best fit for the works and didn't know what else to do with them since WC is so broad and figured they wouldn't score as well there. As I've said before, I have no problem moving them if there is objection! amongst my comrades. Peace and Love. :hifive: Great pick btw.
Thought they were both fine.
 
20.13 - Moulin de la Galette - Painting - Auguste Renoir

Bal au moulin de la Galette, Montmartre is an 1876 painting by French artist Pierre-Auguste Renoir.

Au Moulin de la Gallette is a smaller version of Renoir’s Impressionist painting of the same name at the Musée d’Orsay in Paris.

On May 17, 1990, it was sold for US$78 million at Sotheby's in New York City, New York to Ryoei Saito, the honorary chairman of Daishowa Paper Manufacturing Company, Japan.

At the time of sale, it was one of the top two most expensive artworks ever sold, together with van Gogh's Portrait of Dr Gachet, which was also purchased by Saito. Saito caused international outrage when he suggested in 1991 that he intended to cremate both paintings with him when he died.

It is currently fifth on the list of most expensive paintings ever sold.
Link to paintingThe work always uplifts me - the joy de vivre of carefree youth, plus I have always wondered what the woman in the foreground is pondering. Love, happier days with a love now lost, the time soon to come she will be re-joined with her love - or something else altogether?

 
Les Miserables is a wonderful novel, on my short list. As a musical play, I rank it above Phantom, and it might edge into my top ten musicals. However, the greatest musicals will be ranked somewhere below the greatest dramas, not all of which have been taken yet.
I can agree with that, Like I said in the pick, I was just run down and lacking inspiration. The book was on the short list and after looking at the destruction of the short list , I just decided to go simple and grab the musical also. Better works are to be had in category, but I don't think it was a complete waste either. As far as musicals go its definately top 5 for most folks.Back to work rebuilding my short list.

 
20.12 BOOK OF THE THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT, Trans. by Sir Richard F. Burton (1884) - wildcard

My favorite assembly of prose. I would have taken it in the 1st five rds if there had been a category for it. Now that Canterbury & Decameron, etc have been allowed into categories they dont belong the gloves are off and, since it & La Commedia are the two works i most must have in this thing, i better get busy on it. i will, however, draft it into the only proper category for such collections.
Hey I'll gladly move those two to WC, but I think maybe a lit. collection category would have nice in hindsight. I realized when I picked them that they didn't technically fit with the other picks in those categories, but I figured that they were the best fit for the works and didn't know what else to do with them since WC is so broad and figured they wouldn't score as well there. As I've said before, I have no problem moving them if there is objection! amongst my comrades. Peace and Love. :lmao: Great pick btw.
i never objected to the above's inclusion in their categories - merely pointed out that their getting categories forced my hand with my selection. folks are forgetting that much of the controversy which has developed springs from my initial desire to have the least possible # of cats (i.e., grouping science & philosophy, TV with movies, etc), which fell apart when this stopped being an exercise in relative aesthetics. i'm as happy to allow people to look idiotic as wise, because understanding is a huge part of taste. it was intended for each drafter to build a museum of cherished things but, whether it's just untenable in this format or has fallen victim to control dysfunctions, it has fallen away from that.still building mine:

La Commedia

David

Solomon's Temple

Emancipation Proclamation

Alternating Current

Las Meninas

Magic Flute

Tao Te Ching

SNL

Faust

David Copperfield

White Album

Sophie

Seinfeld

Lavendar Mist

Dr. Strangelove

Essay Concerning Human Understanding

Chartres

Alice In Wonderland

Arabian Nights

stop by sometime - tell me what you think.

nufced

 
Les Miserables is a wonderful novel, on my short list. As a musical play, I rank it above Phantom, and it might edge into my top ten musicals. However, the greatest musicals will be ranked somewhere below the greatest dramas, not all of which have been taken yet.
I can agree with that, Like I said in the pick, I was just run down and lacking inspiration. The book was on the short list and after looking at the destruction of the short list , I just decided to go simple and grab the musical also. Better works are to be had in category, but I don't think it was a complete waste either. As far as musicals go its definately top 5 for most folks.Back to work rebuilding my short list.
I think it's top 5 for most people for recent musicals, say of the last 20 years; perhaps it's even #1. But without spotlighting, if we go back before the 1970's and examine all the great musicals of the post war years and even a few before that, you can see there's an awful lot to work with.
 
Les Miserables is a wonderful novel, on my short list. As a musical play, I rank it above Phantom, and it might edge into my top ten musicals. However, the greatest musicals will be ranked somewhere below the greatest dramas, not all of which have been taken yet.
I can agree with that, Like I said in the pick, I was just run down and lacking inspiration. The book was on the short list and after looking at the destruction of the short list , I just decided to go simple and grab the musical also. Better works are to be had in category, but I don't think it was a complete waste either. As far as musicals go its definately top 5 for most folks.Back to work rebuilding my short list.
I think it's top 5 for most people for recent musicals, say of the last 20 years; perhaps it's even #1. But without spotlighting, if we go back before the 1970's and examine all the great musicals of the post war years and even a few before that, you can see there's an awful lot to work with.
SHHHHHHHHHHH! You are killing my late round dig up their bones picks! As far as the substance of the post, I agree there also. There are a ton of good choices in musical Theater. POTO and Les Mis are just two from a fairly well stocked sub category. As I think on it and am more awake I can think of a couple off the top of my head that should rank higher than both musicals taken so far. I'm ok with Les Mis though. I'm not much of a musical fan, but marriage introduced me to both the book and the musical, and I'll admit I liked them both.

As the obvious choices narrow, I find my short list simply decimated each round. Of interesting note though I have so many categories to stock still.

 
For me, the most interesting character in Les Miserables is the villain, Javert. He is fascinating because he's not really a villain at all; he's an honorable man who believes in law and order and is unable to conceive that there might be an ethical right and wrong that is above or beyond the law. Javert represents better than probably any character I have ever read one of the essential conflicts of our modern society: the difference between laws and justice. His final fate in the novel is rather predictable, though tragic.

 
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Les Miserables is a wonderful novel, on my short list. As a musical play, I rank it above Phantom, and it might edge into my top ten musicals. However, the greatest musicals will be ranked somewhere below the greatest dramas, not all of which have been taken yet.
I can agree with that, Like I said in the pick, I was just run down and lacking inspiration. The book was on the short list and after looking at the destruction of the short list , I just decided to go simple and grab the musical also. Better works are to be had in category, but I don't think it was a complete waste either. As far as musicals go its definately top 5 for most folks.Back to work rebuilding my short list.
I think timschochet must have been turned down for the Lead in Phantom :goodposting: Can I move POTO into the WC cat, as it seems you have an ingrained bias against it, judging from several comments I have read? At this point, it seems a wasted pick, and I would cut it if I could, and take a hit against the cap.

 
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The sub story of Valjean and Javert stands right vs wrong (morality vs Lawfulness) on its ear and I think even illustrates some modern judicial conceptual differences between us and our European brothers and sisters.

Strangely, I just noticed something still available I was sure was long gone. My short list is now +1 again.

 
Fennis is alive!

Here's his skipped pick:

Notre Dame de Paris Building/structure

Notre Dame de Paris ('Our Lady of Paris' in French) is a Gothic cathedral on the eastern half of the Île de la Cité in the fourth arrondissement of Paris, France, with its main entrance to the west. It is the cathedral of the Catholic archdiocese of Paris: that is, it is the church that contains the "cathedra", or official chair, of the Archbishop of Paris. Notre Dame de Paris is widely considered one of the finest examples of French Gothic architecture in the world. It was restored and saved from destruction by Viollet-le-Duc, one of France's most famous architects. The name Notre Dame means "Our Lady" in French. Notre Dame de Paris was one of the first Gothic cathedrals, and its construction spanned the Gothic period. Its sculptures and stained glass show the heavy influence of naturalism, unlike that of earlier Romanesque architecture.

Notre Dame de Paris was among the first buildings in the world to use the flying buttress (arched exterior supports). The building was not originally designed to include the flying buttresses around the choir and nave. After the construction began and the thinner walls (popularized in the Gothic style) grew ever higher, stress fractures began to occur as the walls pushed outward. In response, the cathedral's architects built supports around the outside walls, and later additions continued as such.

The cathedral suffered desecration during the radical phase of the French Revolution in the 1790s, when much of its religious imagery was damaged or destroyed. During the 19th century, an extensive restoration project was completed, returning the cathedral to its previous state.
Timeline of construction

1160 Maurice de Sully (named Bishop of Paris), orders the original cathedral to be demolished.

1163 Cornerstone laid for Notre Dame de Paris — construction begins.

1182 Apse and choir completed.

1196 Nave completed. Bishop de Sully dies.

1200 Work begins on western façade.

1225 Western façade completed.

1250 Western towers and north rose window completed.

1260s Transepts changed to the Gothic style by Jean de Chelles then Peter of Montereau

1250–1345 Remaining elements completed
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...reDameParis.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...DameDeParis.jpg

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Just a comment on the modern novel idea...I think I know which one thatguy intends to take (based on other postings), and it is a phenomenal pick if so, but I'll say that my FAVORITE book is also from the last half of the 20th century, and I am dying to take it, although I doubt more than two people here have read it. If my partner will let me, and it hasn't been taken before, I will take it late and be thrilled. I don't think anyone else will take it, and I admit that thatguy's pick will be better.

 
With the 14th pick of the 20th round, Team BobbyLayne™ selects –

Notes From The Underground, by Fyodor Dostoevsky - Novel

(Or "The Bible of Jaded College Sophomores Everywhere") :bag:

This short novel is one of the most influential works of fiction on the twentieth century. Its unnamed narrator, later referred to as “Underground Man,” became the archetype for numerous characters in later masterpieces, many of them already selected in this draft. Nikolai Levin of Anna Karenina is an Underground Man. Dostoevsky’s own unforgettable Ivan Karamazov (from The Brothers Karamazov) is a less detailed Underground Man. Joseph Heller has said Catch-22’s Yossarian is an Underground Man. Underground Man is the soul of Holden Caulfied (Catcher in the Rye). His influence looms over every later character depicted at odds with himself and society. As such, Underground Man even had a profound influence over the Harlem Renaissance. Many of its greatest authors admitted that they looked to Dostoevsky’s Underground Man as an archetype for their own plight, and as such Underground Man breathes through many of the most masterful depictions of black Americans (trying not to spotlight here), including the greatest evocation of a black American I’ve ever read. This list is by no means exhaustive. In so many ways, Underground Man is the spirit of the 20th century. Its most vivid characters beat with his heart. Even Paul Schrader, the writer of Taxi Driver, has said Team BobbyLayne™ ‘s own Travis Bickle is a prototypical Underground Man. His influence is simply enormous.

Notes From The Underground (1864) has been universally hailed as the first existential novel, a title all the more intriguing since it was written by an ardent Christian. Nietzsche claimed that “Dostoevsky is one of the few psychologists from whom I have learned something," and that Notes from the Underground "cried truth from the blood." On several occasions, Jean-Paul Sarte claimed that Notes from the Underground was the birth of existentialism.

So what’s it about? Here’s the Wiki summary of both parts –

Part 1

He falls into an introduction, three main sections and a conclusion. The short introduction propounds a number of riddles whose meanings will be further developed. Chapters two, three and four deal with suffering and the enjoyment of suffering; chapters five and six with intellectual and moral vacillation and with conscious "inertia"-inaction; chapters seven through nine with theories of reason and logic; the last two chapters are a summary and a transition into Part 2.

War is described as people's rebellion against the assumption that everything needs to happen for a purpose, because humans do things without purpose, and this is what determines human history.

Secondly, the narrator's desire for pain and paranoia is exemplified by his liver pain and toothache. This parallels Raskolnikov's behavior in Dostoevsky's later novel, Crime and Punishment. He says that, due to the cruelty of society, human beings only moan about pain in order to spread their suffering to others. He builds up his own paranoia to the point he is incapable of looking his co-workers in the eye.

The main issue for the Underground Man is that he has reached a point of ennui and inactivity. Unlike most people, who typically act out of revenge because they believe justice is the end, he is conscious of this problem. Though he feels the desire for revenge, he does not find it virtuous; this incongruity leads to spite and spite towards the act itself with its concomitant circumstances. He feels that others like him exist, yet he continuously concentrates on his spitefulness instead of on action that avoids the problems he is so concerned with. He even admits at one point that he’d rather be inactive out of laziness.

The first part also gives a harsh criticism of determinism and intellectual attempts at dictating human action, which the Underground Man mentions in terms of a simple math problem two times two makes four (see also necessitarianism). He states that despite humanity’s attempt to create the "Crystal Palace," a reference to a famous symbol of utopianism in Nikolai Chernyshevsky’s What Is to Be Done?, one cannot avoid the simple fact that anyone at any time can decide to act against what is considered good, and some will do so simply to validate their existence and to protest that they exist as individuals. This type of rebellion is critical to later works of Dostoevsky as this type of rebellion is used by adolescents to validate their own existence, uniqueness and independence (see Dostoevsky's The Adolescent) in the face of the disorder one inherits under the understanding of tradition and society.

In other works, Dostoevsky constructs a negative argument to validate free will against determinism in the character XXXXXXX. Notes from Underground is the marked starting point of Dostoevsky's moving from his psychological and sociological themed novels to novels based on existential and human experience in crisis.

Part 2

The second part is the actual story proper and consists of three main segments that lead to a furthering of the Underground Man's super-consciousness.

The first is his obsession with an officer who physically moves him out of the way without a word or warning. He sees the officer on the street and thinks of ways to take revenge, eventually deciding to bump into him, which he does, finding to his surprise that the officer does not seem to even notice it happened.

The second segment is a dinner party with some old school friends to wish Zverkov, one of their number, goodbye as he is being transfered out of the city. The underground man hated them when he was younger, but after a random visit to Simonov’s, he decides to meet them at the appointed location. They fail to tell him that the time has been changed to six instead of five, so he arrives early. He gets into an argument with the four after a short time, declaring to all his hatred of society and using them as the symbol of it. At the end, they go off without him to a secret brothel, and, in his rage, the underground man follows them there to confront Zverkov once and for all, regardless if he is beaten or not. He arrives to find Zverkov and company have left, but, it is there that he meets Liza, a young prostitute.

After they finish their "business" and, then, sitting in silence for a while, the underground man confronts Liza with an image of her future, by which she is unmoved at first, but, she eventually realizes the plight of her position and how she will slowly become useless and will descend more and more, until she is no longer wanted by anyone. The thought of dying such a terribly disgraceful death brings her to realize her position, and she then finds herself enthralled by the underground man’s seemingly poignant grasp of society’s ills. He gives her his address and leaves. After this, he is overcome by the fear of her actually arriving at his dilapidated apartment, and, in the middle of an argument with his servant, she arrives. He then curses her and takes back everything he said to her, saying he was, in fact, laughing at her and reiterates the truth of her miserable position. Near the end of his painful rage he wells up in tears after saying that he was only seeking to have power over her and a desire to humiliate her. He begins to criticize himself and states that he is in fact horrified by his own poverty and embarrassed by his situation. Liza realizes how pitiful he is and they embrace. The underground man cries out “They – they won’t let me – I – I can’t be good!” After all this, he still acts terribly towards her, and, before she leaves, he stuffs a five ruble note into her hand, which she throws onto the table. He tries to catch her as she goes out onto the street but cannot find her and never hears from her again. He recalls this moment as making him unhappy whenever he thinks of it, yet again proving the fact from the first section that his spite for society and his inability to act like it makes him unable to act better than it.
That last bolded part sounds like quite the catch-22, eh? :lmao: As the wiki entry notes, Notes from the Underground was enormously unpopular with the later Soviets, again something of an irony because in addition to being an ardent Christian, Dostoevsky was a committed socialist. But the prevalent theme that human needs can never be satisfied through technological progress runs completely against Marxist thought.

Indeed, I sometimes marvel at how Dostoevsky could have authored such a work. In my opinion, this only shows just how incredible of an achievement it is in that Notes from the Underground is a monster of its own element, something of a sui generis.

I’m ecstatic to get it a 20.14. When I lasted picked for Team BobbyLayne™, I had assumed that it’d already been picked. I couldn’t believe it when I found it still available.

 
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Just a comment on the modern novel idea...I think I know which one thatguy intends to take (based on other postings), and it is a phenomenal pick if so, but I'll say that my FAVORITE book is also from the last half of the 20th century, and I am dying to take it, although I doubt more than two people here have read it. If my partner will let me, and it hasn't been taken before, I will take it late and be thrilled. I don't think anyone else will take it, and I admit that thatguy's pick will be better.
Well have at it. As you can see, I decided to skip picking from the 20th century. I went for its roots instead.I'm very interested to see what both you and thatguy pick though. :bag:
 
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Very nice selection flysack. I can't believe that it slipped my mind. I haven't read it just yet, but I know of it's influence and have read essays on Underground Man...nice work.

 
Very nice selection flysack. I can't believe that it slipped my mind. I haven't read it just yet, but I know of it's influence and have read essays on Underground Man...nice work.
Yea, it's one of those works whose influence is so profuse that you don't need to read it to know what it's all about - chances are you've already read numerous things either about it or based on it. This is kinda like Freud. Everyone knows his main ideas without having read one lick of his writings.
 
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Very nice selection flysack. I can't believe that it slipped my mind. I haven't read it just yet, but I know of it's influence and have read essays on Underground Man...nice work.
Yea, it's one of those works whose influence is so profuse that you don't need to read it to know what it's all about - chances are you've already read numerous things either about it or based on it. This is kinda like Freud. Everyone knows his main ideas without having read one lick of his writings.
Jesus, judging novels is going to be a #####, especially when it's almost impossible for me to have read everything selected...it's not like other categories where some quick glace at a painting and following research can be sufficient, there aren't enough hours in the day to finish what I haven't read, and I'll have to rely on critics and other rankings. I'm sure not everyone will be satisfied... such is the predicament of the judge I suppose.
 
20.15 Gustav Klimt's The Kiss (Painting)

Sorry, don't have a lot of time for a write-up. Just trying to keep things (possibly) moving. Utterly paranoid about my list of possible painting picks after the last few rounds, so I'll secure one of my favorites.

The Kiss (original Der Kuss) was painted by Gustav Klimt, during his ‘golden period’, and is probably his most famous work. It depicts a couple, in various shades of gold and symbols, sharing a kiss against a bronze background.

Two figures are situated at the edge of a flowered escarpment. The man is wearing neutral coloured rectangles and a crown of vines; the woman wears brightly coloured tangent circles and flowers in her hair. The twain’s embrace is enveloped by triangular vining and a veil of concentric circles.

Similarly juxtaposed couples appear in both Klimt’s Beethoven Frieze and Stoclet Frieze.

Some think that Klimt and his beloved companion Emilie Flöge modeled for the masterpiece.

The Kiss is a discreet expression of Klimt’s emphasis on eroticism and the liberation therein. The Kiss falls in line with Klimt’s exploration of fulfillment and the redeeming, transformative power of love and art.[citation needed] The Kiss is deviant from Klimt’s frequent portrayal of women as the lascivious femme fatale.

The piece is currently at the Österreichische Galerie Belvedere museum, which is housed in the Belvedere palace, in Vienna, Austria.

Gustav Klimt and "The Kiss" were selected as the main motif for a collectors' coin, the 100 euro gold The Painting coin issued on 5 November 2003. The obverse depicts Klimt in his studio with two unfinished masterpieces on easels, while the reverse shows "Der Kuss" (The Kiss).
 
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Very nice selection flysack. I can't believe that it slipped my mind. I haven't read it just yet, but I know of it's influence and have read essays on Underground Man...nice work.
Yea, it's one of those works whose influence is so profuse that you don't need to read it to know what it's all about - chances are you've already read numerous things either about it or based on it. This is kinda like Freud. Everyone knows his main ideas without having read one lick of his writings.
Jesus, judging novels is going to be a #####, especially when it's almost impossible for me to have read everything selected...it's not like other categories where some quick glace at a painting and following research can be sufficient, there aren't enough hours in the day to finish what I haven't read, and I'll have to rely on critics and other rankings. I'm sure not everyone will be satisfied... such is the predicament of the judge I suppose.
All 3 of mine so far are top ten. It's easily my strongest category. If you disagree, you're wrong, but I'll cut you some slack.The Brothers KaramazovAnna KareninaRemembrance of Things Past
 
So, seeing that we're officially 1/3 of the way through the draft, I thought I'd do a little self reflection. Our team currently consists of...

The Latin/Roman Alphabet

The Old Testament

Euclid's Elements

St. Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologica

Don Quixote

Huck Finn

Pride/Prejudice

Oedipus Rex

A Midsummer Night's Dream

A Doll's House

Marlon Brando from On the Waterfront

Robert DeNiro from Raging Bull

Galileo's Discovery of Falling Bodies/Uniform Rate

Rembrandt's The Night Watch

Dvorak's Symphony #9 "From the New World"

Beach Boy's Pet Sounds

Casablanca

Vertigo

Stonehenge

Verseilles

Overall, I've got to say I'm elated with the way our team is taking shape. I think we stole a few things, but we also probably picked a couple of things a round or two before they had to go. We didn't cripple ourselves with any picks, though, and I think we've a very good chance of outright winning several of the larger categories like novels, plays, non-fiction, acting performances, movies. We'll need to do some work in the Inventions category, but with an anchor like The Alphabet, we should be able to finish mid pack at worst.

 
Very nice selection flysack. I can't believe that it slipped my mind. I haven't read it just yet, but I know of it's influence and have read essays on Underground Man...nice work.
Yea, it's one of those works whose influence is so profuse that you don't need to read it to know what it's all about - chances are you've already read numerous things either about it or based on it. This is kinda like Freud. Everyone knows his main ideas without having read one lick of his writings.
Jesus, judging novels is going to be a #####, especially when it's almost impossible for me to have read everything selected...it's not like other categories where some quick glace at a painting and following research can be sufficient, there aren't enough hours in the day to finish what I haven't read, and I'll have to rely on critics and other rankings. I'm sure not everyone will be satisfied... such is the predicament of the judge I suppose.
All 3 of mine so far are top ten. It's easily my strongest category. If you disagree, you're wrong, but I'll cut you some slack.The Brothers KaramazovAnna KareninaRemembrance of Things Past
:lmao: (The ******* is right though. This is easy for me to admit because my two selections are top 5.)
 
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Very nice selection flysack. I can't believe that it slipped my mind. I haven't read it just yet, but I know of it's influence and have read essays on Underground Man...nice work.
Yea, it's one of those works whose influence is so profuse that you don't need to read it to know what it's all about - chances are you've already read numerous things either about it or based on it. This is kinda like Freud. Everyone knows his main ideas without having read one lick of his writings.
Jesus, judging novels is going to be a #####, especially when it's almost impossible for me to have read everything selected...it's not like other categories where some quick glace at a painting and following research can be sufficient, there aren't enough hours in the day to finish what I haven't read, and I'll have to rely on critics and other rankings. I'm sure not everyone will be satisfied... such is the predicament of the judge I suppose.
All 3 of mine so far are top ten. It's easily my strongest category. If you disagree, you're wrong, but I'll cut you some slack.The Brothers Karamazov

Anna Karenina

Remembrance of Things Past
:lmao: (The ******* is right though. This is easy for me to admit because my two selections are top 5.)
:lmao: Put 'er there GB.
 
Let's see, since I am an extraordinary human being, similar to Napoleon, and since Flysack and thatguy are evil, worthless parasites who are attempting to cash in on MY selection of Dostoevsky's finest work, aren't I morally entitled to simply dispose of them? What would Raskolnikov do (WWRD)?

 
DougB is NEVER here on weekends. Does anyone know if his intent was to be on autoskip, or are we forced to wait until Tuesday?
Auto-skip me in cases where the clock's off and I'm not around. I can't be in the thread reliably at night or on weekends. Won't be back to work until Tuesday morning....

For this pick (20th round, right?), give me

The Channel Tunnel, Building/Structure

The Channel Tunnel (French: Le tunnel sous la Manche), also known by the portmanteau Chunnel, is a 50.5-kilometre (31.4 mi) undersea rail tunnel linking Folkestone, Kent in England with Coquelles, near Calais in northern France beneath the English Channel at the Strait of Dover. At its lowest point it is 75 m (250 ft) deep. The Channel Tunnel has the longest undersea portion of any tunnel in the world ... .

The tunnel carries high-speed Eurostar passenger trains, Eurotunnel roll-on/roll-off vehicle transport - the largest in the world - and international rail freight trains. In 1996 the American Society of Civil Engineers identified the tunnel as one of the Seven Wonders of the Modern World.
 
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