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Official Great Works Draft (1 Viewer)

So, WP, how do you feel about A Little Night Music as a song?And how do you like God Bless The Child and Like A Rolling Stone, while we're at it?Show me some love...
i should think they'd all be in the top half (EKN would have been in the bottom 1/4 as a comp). they'll each get a comment in the judging. not a Dylan fan but understand his importance (took the 1st Bobby Z song in the acoustic draft, f'rinstance - wasnt Rolling Stone though). wont give definitve answers except on 20s (and, possibly 1s) cuz the co-judge will have a llot to say about it.
 
The weakness of Star Trek is that it had no original staying power. The original TV show only ran, what, 3 years? So that does hurt it. However, I'm thinking you have to take into account the entire new universe of entertainment it created. Whole new worlds were created due to it and the spinoff machine that it was in almost unmatched. Factor in the movies, books, and its powerful grasp on our culture, and it is simply one of the most important tv shows in history.
60 Minutes has investigated, and declares that M*A*S*H* mashes Trek
 
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I have to congratulate wikkid on opening the composition category as he has. It's too stuffy a category without the flexibility given. Good job. With that said, my pick is now a very solid one to me and not taken too early at all. :thumbdown:
Yankee/Wikkid, how do want me to write this pick up?? Star Wars Score?
I have it down in my notes as Empire Strikes Back soundtrack. It was used in the movies that followed as well, so while I think we can include the entirety of the composition, I don't want to get greedy either. But, for example, the Imperial March played a powerful role in the movie that followed, and was also used in the 3 that pre-followed after that. It's the backbone of the music of the series, but again I don't want to be greedy and say my composition must be the collective movements of 6 movies.Unless the judge wants me to. In that case, Woo-#######-hoo.
 
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If Tim is really quitting as comish, I am starting a draft Rodg12 for commissioner movement.
 
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In order to preserve fairness and draft integrity, I would be fine with calling a ceae fire until DougB can catch upBut I am not a selfish :confused: who measures self-worth by getting patted on the butt over these selections
 
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The weakness of Star Trek is that it had no original staying power. The original TV show only ran, what, 3 years? So that does hurt it. However, I'm thinking you have to take into account the entire new universe of entertainment it created. Whole new worlds were created due to it and the spinoff machine that it was in almost unmatched. Factor in the movies, books, and its powerful grasp on our culture, and it is simply one of the most important tv shows in history.
Then you have a different view of this draft than every other person involved.Wait...we already knew that.

:confused:

It is not whole body of work theory, so eff that criteria right now.

You are judging that work and that work alone.

 
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If Tim is really quitting as comish, I am starting a draft Rodg12 for commissioner movement.
1/2 seconded. He has been :coffee: on keeping this stuff going.ETA: BobbyLayne, too, when he's around.
 
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The weakness of Star Trek is that it had no original staying power. The original TV show only ran, what, 3 years? So that does hurt it. However, I'm thinking you have to take into account the entire new universe of entertainment it created. Whole new worlds were created due to it and the spinoff machine that it was in almost unmatched. Factor in the movies, books, and its powerful grasp on our culture, and it is simply one of the most important tv shows in history.
Then you have a different view of this draft than every other person involved.Wait...we already knew that.

:coffee:

It is not whole body of work theory, so eff that criteria right now.

You are judging that work and that work alone.
But, one of the criteria that everyone is using is some form of lasting power and attachment to culture(s). Did the thing last a long time and was it or is it still iconic? Can't you say for something like this that everything that was birthed from it should be taken into account? I understand the problem there. The first in anything will therefore always be the best in the category. No democratic document written after the MAgna Carta compares, for example. But I don't know if this is the same thing. The universe created by the oriignal show is the same universe in all the rest of the works that spawned from it.

Should I really not consider that at all? And I ask because, in that case, as a stand alone show without what happened after it's a solid choice but probably won't end up near the top.

 
I have to congratulate wikkid on opening the composition category as he has. It's too stuffy a category without the flexibility given. Good job. With that said, my pick is now a very solid one to me and not taken too early at all. :coffee:
Yankee/Wikkid, how do want me to write this pick up?? Star Wars Score?
i think he wanted "Empire" cuz of the Vader theme. cant have em all.
Cool. Empire it is.
 
I have to congratulate wikkid on opening the composition category as he has. It's too stuffy a category without the flexibility given. Good job. With that said, my pick is now a very solid one to me and not taken too early at all. :coffee:
Yankee/Wikkid, how do want me to write this pick up?? Star Wars Score?
i think he wanted "Empire" cuz of the Vader theme. cant have em all.
Cool. Empire it is.
Done.
 
If Tim is really quitting as comish, I am starting a draft Rodg12 for commissioner movement.
i would very much support this, if he'll do it. he's certainly been the MVP of the day2day. my 1st choice would be to have tim continue - cuz we all know he wants to & is such fun to lather up - but i would prefer rodg to myself. smooth conduct of this thing is the 1st criteria & too many people resent my skills as a visionary & lukewarm sentiments about central heating for me to be the best replacement option.
 
If Tim is really quitting as comish, I am starting a draft Rodg12 for commissioner movement.
i would very much support this, if he'll do it. he's certainly been the MVP of the day2day. my 1st choice would be to have tim continue - cuz we all know he wants to & is such fun to lather up - but i would prefer rodg to myself. smooth conduct of this thing is the 1st criteria & too many people resent my skills as a visionary & lukewarm sentiments about central heating for me to be the best replacement option.
FWIW, I pretty much resent everybody.
 
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If Tim is really quitting as comish, I am starting a draft Rodg12 for commissioner movement.
1/2 seconded. He has been :lmao: on keeping this stuff going.ETA: BobbyLayne, too, when he's around.
:lmao:Thanks. I'd do it, but wikkid will be better on the rulings and such. More experience and depth of knowledge in the categories than myself.I will continue to keep track of things and outlining who's up as best I can, though (hattip to BL, Krista, Mister CIA and anyone else who's done this). Seems to help move things along. :lmao:
 
The cultural impact os any piece of art is an essential element in judging it. Whether it's Star Trek or The US Constitution, the implications of the thing and the manner in which it changed what came after it must be considered. To suggest the Constitution (or Star Trek) be judged solely on individual merit without regard to what it created and how the world changed because of it is silly.

 
If Tim is really quitting as comish, I am starting a draft Rodg12 for commissioner movement.
i would very much support this, if he'll do it. he's certainly been the MVP of the day2day. my 1st choice would be to have tim continue - cuz we all know he wants to & is such fun to lather up - but i would prefer rodg to myself. smooth conduct of this thing is the 1st criteria & too many people resent my skills as a visionary & lukewarm sentiments about central heating for me to be the best replacement option.
If that's what you want, I'm game.
 
The cultural impact os any piece of art is an essential element in judging it. Whether it's Star Trek or The US Constitution, the implications of the thing and the manner in which it changed what came after it must be considered. To suggest the Constitution (or Star Trek) be judged solely on individual merit without regard to what it created and how the world changed because of it is silly.
Epoch-changingFor my next pick I will select Genedoc/Bonzai's Great Works draft, wildcard
 
If Tim is really quitting as comish, I am starting a draft Rodg12 for commissioner movement.
i would very much support this, if he'll do it. he's certainly been the MVP of the day2day. my 1st choice would be to have tim continue - cuz we all know he wants to & is such fun to lather up - but i would prefer rodg to myself. smooth conduct of this thing is the 1st criteria & too many people resent my skills as a visionary & lukewarm sentiments about central heating for me to be the best replacement option.
If that's what you want, I'm game.
First, the highlighted is not true.Second, that would be great if you take over Rodg- you can either do it right now, or wait until round 31. Your choice. Krista and Doug will stay on as your co-judges, and I will stay out of it.One favor, though: sometime in the next two weeks, I would like you to copy the first two posts of this thread and start a new thread- it could be called, "Great Works Draft Part Two". That way, you could continue to update the OPs while I am gone.
 
If Tim is really quitting as comish, I am starting a draft Rodg12 for commissioner movement.
i would very much support this, if he'll do it. he's certainly been the MVP of the day2day. my 1st choice would be to have tim continue - cuz we all know he wants to & is such fun to lather up - but i would prefer rodg to myself. smooth conduct of this thing is the 1st criteria & too many people resent my skills as a visionary & lukewarm sentiments about central heating for me to be the best replacement option.
If that's what you want, I'm game.
First, the highlighted is not true.Second, that would be great if you take over Rodg- you can either do it right now, or wait until round 31. Your choice. Krista and Doug will stay on as your co-judges, and I will stay out of it.One favor, though: sometime in the next two weeks, I would like you to copy the first two posts of this thread and start a new thread- it could be called, "Great Works Draft Part Two". That way, you could continue to update the OPs while I am gone.
Splitting the draft in half makes sense to me. I'll definitely take care of the second thread where I can keep track of the track in the next couple weeks.
 
Now, moving on. DC Thunder has timed out. Hopefully we can reel off some picks here....

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Splitting the draft in half makes sense to me. I'll definitely take care of the second thread where I can keep track of the track in the next couple weeks.
That's great. I'll stay on as commish until the end of round 30; then this thread will close and the new one will start.
 
The cultural impact os any piece of art is an essential element in judging it. Whether it's Star Trek or The US Constitution, the implications of the thing and the manner in which it changed what came after it must be considered. To suggest the Constitution (or Star Trek) be judged solely on individual merit without regard to what it created and how the world changed because of it is silly.
Star Trek = The US Constitution, eh.Excellent grouping for comparison purposes.

:shrug:

I think we have established - this would be about the third time you and I have gone down this road? - that your 'vision' of the Great Works Draft was the ideal philosophy in the Greatest American Draft and the Worlds Greatest Draft, because the whole body of work of an individual should be considered.

This, however, is a different animal.

Yankee23Fan - You are judging Star Trek, the t.v. show. Nothing more. It's not even a mediocre pick - it should be the bottom of the barrel, unless we get some real stinkers from here on out. Def a bottom 3 of the ones taken thus far.

:lmao:

Alright, Baby Momma finally got out of an insane strategy session. JFC, I get it, swine flu is kinda of a big deal - but a late Friday afternoon meeting? These friggin' public health officials are nuts...as if the crisis won't be there on Monday, when we get back from the beach.

Enjoy your weekend, folks. I'll check in sometime and make a pick or two.

:lmao:

 
Yankee23Fan - You are judging Star Trek, the t.v. show. Nothing more. It's not even a mediocre pick - it should be the bottom of the barrel, unless we get some real stinkers from here on out. Def a bottom 3 of the ones taken thus far.
Not to diss my partner, but even though Star Trek only ran 3 seasons, it was groundbreaking in many ways. It was one of the first racially integrated shows; they even had the BALLS to cast a RUSSIAN as the pilot (or whatever Chekov did) during the Cold War. It wasn't just a good show, like the very best of sci-fi, it was a vision expressed in dramatic form. Hence its staying power and subsequent cult following.Plus Kirk banged anything that moved. You have to respect that. While people were trying to end segregation, Kirk is on the tube swinging his salami at green chicks.

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Yankee23Fan - You are judging Star Trek, the t.v. show. Nothing more. It's not even a mediocre pick - it should be the bottom of the barrel, unless we get some real stinkers from here on out. Def a bottom 3 of the ones taken thus far.
Not to diss my partner, but even though Star Trek only ran 3 seasons, it was groundbreaking in many ways. It was one of the first racially integrated shows; they even had the BALLS to cast a RUSSIAN as the pilot (or whatever Chekov did) during the Cold War. It wasn't just a good show, like the very best of sci-fi, it was a vision expressed in dramatic form. Hence its staying power and subsequent cult following.Plus Kirk banged anything that moved. You have to respect that. While people were trying to end segregation, Kirk is on the tube swinging his salami at green chicks.

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A lot of good posting in one place.
 
Yankee23Fan - You are judging Star Trek, the t.v. show. Nothing more. It's not even a mediocre pick - it should be the bottom of the barrel, unless we get some real stinkers from here on out. Def a bottom 3 of the ones taken thus far.
Not to diss my partner, but even though Star Trek only ran 3 seasons, it was groundbreaking in many ways. It was one of the first racially integrated shows; they even had the BALLS to cast a RUSSIAN as the pilot (or whatever Chekov did) during the Cold War. It wasn't just a good show, like the very best of sci-fi, it was a vision expressed in dramatic form. Hence its staying power and subsequent cult following.Plus Kirk WANTED TO bang anything that moved. You have to respect that. While people were trying to end segregation, Kirk is on the tube swinging his salami at green chicks.

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28.04-J'ACCUSE!--Emile Zola-Non-Fiction

Some might think that this is an odd choice for a draft of this type. For after all, in 2009, who really remember or cares about anti-Semitism in the French Army during the Third French Republic. But Emile Zola, was the conscience of France, a celebrated writer and influential political figure. J'Accuse was an open letter, published on the front page of L'Aurore, a Parisian newspaper. The letter was an accusation leveled against the President of France, accusing the government of anti-Semitism most specificaly in the case of Captain Alfred Dreyfus an officer in the French army who was accused of spying for the Germans. Germany had recently defeated France in the Franco-Prussian War and the border between France and Germany was always tense. Zola pointed out judicial errors and lack of serious evidence. The letter was printed on the front page of the newspaper, and caused a stir in France and abroad. Zola was prosecuted and found guilty of libel on 23 February 1898. To avoid imprisonment, he fled to England, returning home in June 1899.

Émile Zola argued that "the conviction of Alfred Dreyfus was based on false accusations of espionage and was a misrepresentation of justice."[4] He first points out that the real man behind all of this is Major du Paty de Clam. Zola states: "He was the one who came up with the scheme of dictating the text of the bordereau to Dreyfus; he was the one who had the idea of observing him in a mirror-lined room. And he was the one that Major Forzinetti caught carrying a shuttered lantern that he planned to throw open on the accused man while he slept, hoping that, jolted awake by the sudden flash of light, Dreyfus would blurt out his guilt."[5]

Next Zola points out that if the investigation of the traitor was done properly, then the evidence would clearly show that the bordereau came from an infantry officer and not artillery, such as Dreyfus.[5]

Émile Zola strongly defends Alfred Dreyfus and all of justice when he states: "These, Sir, are the facts that explain how this miscarriage of justice came about; The evidence of Dreyfus's character, his affluence, the lack of motive and his continued affirmation of innocence combine to show that he is the victim of the lurid imagination of Major du Paty de Clam, the religious circles surrounding him, and the 'dirty Jew' obsession that is the scourge of our time."[5]

After more investigation, Zola points out that a man by the name of Major Esterhazy was the man that should have been convicted of this crime, and there was proof provided, but he could not be known as guilty unless the entire General Staff was guilty, so the War Office covered up for Esterhazy.

At the end of his letter, Zola accuses General Billot of having held in his hands absolute proof of Dreyfus's innocence and covering it up.[5] He accuses both General de Boisdeffre and General Gonse of religious prejudice against Alfred Dreyfus.[5] He accuses the three handwriting experts, Messrs. Belhomme, Varinard, and Couard, of submitting false reports that were deceitful, unless a medical examination finds them to be suffering from a condition that impairs their eyesight and judgment.[5]

Zola's final accusations were to the first court martial for violating the law by convicting Alfred Dreyfus on the basis of a document that was kept secret, and to the second court martial for committing the judicial crime of knowingly acquitting Major Esterhazy.[5]

Dreyfus was ultimately cleared of espionage charges and his life sentence to Devils Island for espionage was annuled. He ultimately received the Legion of Honor, all thanks to the courage of Emile Zola to publish J'ACCUSE against the president of France.

 
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Good morning. I don't mind the idea of the new rule. My only concern is who's going to keep track? I can barely keep track of who's on autoskip right now, and I'm not always here. Neither is anyone else (always here, I mean.) What I think will inevitably happen is that someone will request to be autoskipped only when the clock is on, but somebody else will have missed reading this, and all that person will see is that the first guy was skipped already, and skip him again. Then all hell will break loose, and there's no good way to clean up the mess at that point. This is what I want to avoid. It's actually very difficult to change these sort of rules midstream, because I guarantee you not every drafter reads every post in this thread.

For these reasons, as much as I want to help out Tides of War, I'm not in favor of this change. If someone can convince me why these things I'm concerned about won't happen or an easy way to avoid them, in that case I'm willing to change my mind.
tim we're keeping track of the skippage as you can a few posts up from yours. As long as the person being skipped is clear on how they want to be skipped we should be fine.
OK. If you guys are all confident that this can be kept track of and nobody will miss it and skip over somebody, let's do it. Hopefully you guys are right and there won't be any mess.
Please continue to skip me if I'm not online to make my pick within 5 minutes. Day time, Night time, Miller time, it doesn't matter.
 
27.19 PAINTING - Relativity by M.C. Escher (1953)

Ok, so its not a painting in the traditional sense, more of a sketch and woodcut artist, but I still find it to be an absorbing work.

link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_(M._C._Escher) with a picture and further information.

Maurits Cornelis Escher (1898-1972) is one of the world's most famous graphic artists. His art is enjoyed by millions of people all over the world, as can be seen on the many web sites on the internet.

He is most famous for his so-called impossible structures, such as Relativity.
 
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28.20 - Krista

 
I'm heading out and won't be back till later tonight (after 10 Central time). If it gets to me before then, just go ahead and skip me.

 

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