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Official Great Works Draft (11 Viewers)

My team has the Atomic Bomb. Other people have drafted the Machine Gun, Submarine, Gunpowder...what either means of destruction have we deemed to be among man's greatest achievements?

BTW, the master plan is to annihilate half of the draft in round 60 - especially super powers like Genedoc/Bonzai. timschochet and Yankee23Fan are both safe.

 
MisfitBlondes' Pick

37.14 The Deer Hunter (Movie)

Michael Cimino's "The Deer Hunter" is a three-hour movie in three major movements. It is a progression from a wedding to a funeral. It is the story of a group of friends. It is the record of how the war in Vietnam entered several lives and altered them terribly forever. It is not an anti-war film. It is not a pro-war film. It is one of the most emotionally shattering films ever made. It begins with men at work, in the furnace of the steel mills in a town somewhere in Pennsylvania. The klaxon sounds, the shift is over, the men go down the road to a saloon for a beer. They sing "I Love You Bay-bee" along with the jukebox. It is still morning on the last day of their lives that will belong to them before Vietnam.

The movie takes its time with these opening scenes, with the steel mill and the saloon and especially with the wedding and the party in the American Legion Hall. It's important not simply that we come to know the characters, but that we feel absorbed into their lives; that the wedding rituals and rhythms feel like more than just ethnic details. They do.

The opening movement is lingered over; it's like the wedding celebration in "The Godfather," but celebrated by hard-working people who have come to eat, dance and drink a lot and wish luck to the newlyweds and to say good-by to the three young men who have enlisted in the Army. The party goes on long enough for everyone to get drunk who is ever going to, and then the newlyweds drive off and the rest of the friends go up into the mountains to shoot some deer. There is some Hemingwayesque talk about what it means to shoot deer: We are still at a point where shooting something is supposed to mean something.

The game of Russian roulette becomes the organizing symbol of the film: Anything you can believe about the game, about its deliberately random violence, about how It touches the sanity of men forced to play it, will apply to the war as a whole. It is a brilliant symbol because, in the context of this story, it makes any ideological statement about the war superfluous.

"The Deer Hunter" is said to be about many subjects: About male bonding, about mindless patriotism, about the dehumanizing effects of war, about Nixon's "silent majority." It is about any of those things that you choose, if you choose, but more than anything else, it is a heartbreakingly effective fictional machine that evokes the agony of the Vietnam time.
The Deer Hunter is a 1978 war drama film about a trio of Russian American steel worker friends and their infantry service in the Vietnam War. It is loosely inspired by the German novel Three Comrades (1937), by World War I veteran Erich Maria Remarque, the author of All Quiet on the Western Front, which follows the lives of a trio of German World War I veterans in 1920s Weimar Germany. Like the novel, The Deer Hunter meditates and explores the moral and mental consequences of war violence and politically-manipulated patriotism upon the meaning of friendship, honor, and family in a tightly-knit community and deals with controversial issues such as drug abuse, suicide, infidelity and mental illness. The film won five Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director.

The film stars Robert De Niro, Christopher Walken, Meryl Streep, John Savage, John Cazale, George Dzundza, and Chuck Aspegren. The story takes place in Clairton, a small working-class town on Monongahela River south of Pittsburgh, and then in Vietnam, somewhere in woodland and in Saigon, during the Vietnam War. It was filmed in the Pittsburgh metro area; Cleveland and Mingo Junction, Ohio; Weirton, West Virginia; the North Cascades National Park in Washington state, the Patpong district of Bangkok in Thailand (imitating the Saigon red-light district), and Sai Yok, Kanchanaburi Province (also in Thailand).
In 1996, The Deer Hunter was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".
nufced
 
Another great pick, Chiwawa. We were not far removed from Vietnam when The Deer Hunter came out; incredibly powerful and compelling story.

 
The opening movement is lingered over; it's like the wedding celebration in "The Godfather,"

It's not just like it; it's a shameless ripoff.

The Deerhunter is one of those films that tries so hard to be "important" in every scene it becomes, IMO, a parody of itself. Though the movie has dozens of overblown pretentious moments, the absolute nadir is the last scene of the movie when De Niro and Streep sing "The Star Spangled Banner" solemnly.

Give me a donkey film anytime over this pretentious piece of ####.

 
37.15 - First Successful Climb to the Summit of Mount Everest - Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay - Wildcard

This is a pretty f'ing amazing achievement. Everest is the tallest mountain in the world (above sea level) at 29,029 ft (~5.5 miles), and 210 people have died trying to reach the summit. Now, over 2,700 people have completed the climb, but the Hunt expedition was the first to get all the way up. Tenzing had actually been a part of an earlier climb that fell short of the summit by about 800 feet, so his experience and knowledge of the routes up the mountain were invaluable.

In 1953, a ninth British expedition, led by John Hunt, returned to Nepal. Hunt selected two climbing pairs to attempt to reach the summit. The first pair (Tom Bourdillon and Charles Evans) came within 100 m (300 feet) of the summit on 26 May 1953, but turned back after becoming exhausted. As planned, their work in route finding and breaking trail and their caches of extra oxygen were of great aid to the following pair. Two days later, the expedition made its second and final assault on the summit with its second climbing pair, the New Zealander Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay from Nepal. They reached the summit at 11:30 a.m. local time on 29 May 1953 via the South Col Route. At the time, both acknowledged it as a team effort by the whole expedition, but Tenzing revealed a few years later that Hillary had put his foot on the summit first.[40] They paused at the summit to take photographs and buried a few sweets and a small cross in the snow before descending.

News of the expedition's success reached London on the morning of Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, June 2. Returning to Kathmandu a few days later, Hunt (a Briton) and Hillary (a subject of Elizabeth, through her role as head of state of New Zealand) discovered that they had been promptly knighted in the Order of the British Empire, a KBE, for the ascent. Tenzing (a subject of the King of Nepal) was granted the George Medal by the UK. Hunt was ultimately made a life peer in Britain, while Hillary became a founding member of the Order of New Zealand.
 
The opening movement is lingered over; it's like the wedding celebration in "The Godfather,"

It's not just like it; it's a shameless ripoff.

The Deerhunter is one of those films that tries so hard to be "important" in every scene it becomes, IMO, a parody of itself. Though the movie has dozens of overblown pretentious moments, the absolute nadir is the last scene of the movie when De Niro and Streep sing "The Star Spangled Banner" solemnly.

Give me a donkey film anytime over this pretentious piece of ####.
Don't they sing God Bless America?
 
37.15 - First Successful Climb to the Summit of Mount Everest - Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay - Wildcard

This is a pretty f'ing amazing achievement. Everest is the tallest mountain in the world (above sea level) at 29,029 ft (~5.5 miles), and 210 people have died trying to reach the summit. Now, over 2,700 people have completed the climb, but the Hunt expedition was the first to get all the way up. Tenzing had actually been a part of an earlier climb that fell short of the summit by about 800 feet, so his experience and knowledge of the routes up the mountain were invaluable.

In 1953, a ninth British expedition, led by John Hunt, returned to Nepal. Hunt selected two climbing pairs to attempt to reach the summit. The first pair (Tom Bourdillon and Charles Evans) came within 100 m (300 feet) of the summit on 26 May 1953, but turned back after becoming exhausted. As planned, their work in route finding and breaking trail and their caches of extra oxygen were of great aid to the following pair. Two days later, the expedition made its second and final assault on the summit with its second climbing pair, the New Zealander Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay from Nepal. They reached the summit at 11:30 a.m. local time on 29 May 1953 via the South Col Route. At the time, both acknowledged it as a team effort by the whole expedition, but Tenzing revealed a few years later that Hillary had put his foot on the summit first.[40] They paused at the summit to take photographs and buried a few sweets and a small cross in the snow before descending.

News of the expedition's success reached London on the morning of Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, June 2. Returning to Kathmandu a few days later, Hunt (a Briton) and Hillary (a subject of Elizabeth, through her role as head of state of New Zealand) discovered that they had been promptly knighted in the Order of the British Empire, a KBE, for the ascent. Tenzing (a subject of the King of Nepal) was granted the George Medal by the UK. Hunt was ultimately made a life peer in Britain, while Hillary became a founding member of the Order of New Zealand.
Oooooh. Very slick.
 
The opening movement is lingered over; it's like the wedding celebration in "The Godfather,"

It's not just like it; it's a shameless ripoff.

The Deerhunter is one of those films that tries so hard to be "important" in every scene it becomes, IMO, a parody of itself. Though the movie has dozens of overblown pretentious moments, the absolute nadir is the last scene of the movie when De Niro and Streep sing "The Star Spangled Banner" solemnly.

Give me a donkey film anytime over this pretentious piece of ####.
Don't they sing God Bless America?
You're right, thanks. It's been over 20 years since I saw that movie last. Perhaps I should watch it again. Perhaps not.
 
The opening movement is lingered over; it's like the wedding celebration in "The Godfather,"

It's not just like it; it's a shameless ripoff.

The Deerhunter is one of those films that tries so hard to be "important" in every scene it becomes, IMO, a parody of itself. Though the movie has dozens of overblown pretentious moments, the absolute nadir is the last scene of the movie when De Niro and Streep sing "The Star Spangled Banner" solemnly.

Give me a donkey film anytime over this pretentious piece of ####.
 
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38.05 - Scott Norwood

38.06 - Bob Lee Swagger (autoskip if not here in first 15)

38.07 - MisfitBlondes

38.08 - Uncle Humuna

 
great, great pick, Uncle H.
:lmao: How can something that's going to destroy the world be a good pick???
This is a draft of man's greatest achievements. In our past, human beings were able to slaughter entire civilizations, but even the most bloodthirsty could not have dreamed of destroying the entire planet. Now we have developed this ability- why shouldn't it be honored?
I was kidding, GB. :confused:
So was I.
 
great, great pick, Uncle H.
:lmao: How can something that's going to destroy the world be a good pick???
This is a draft of man's greatest achievements. In our past, human beings were able to slaughter entire civilizations, but even the most bloodthirsty could not have dreamed of destroying the entire planet. Now we have developed this ability- why shouldn't it be honored?
I was kidding, GB. :shrug:
So was I.
:confused:
 
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rodg12 - it can't be said enough, you're doing an awesome job.When I kept track of the draft order in the GAD and WGD, missed picks were rare. You have had a much harder job, and have done well to keep things running smoothly. We would literally be lost without your tracking posts.Will be OUT the remainder of the daytime, if we get to 38.14 I'll make it this evening.
 
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rodg12 - it can't be said enough, you're doing an awesome job.

When I kept track of the draft order in the GAD and WGD, missed picks were rare. You have had a much harder job, and have done well to keep things running smoothly. We would literally be lost without your tracking posts.

Will be the remainder of the daytime, if we get to 38.14 I'll make it this evening.
Keeping track of who is and is not on autoskip would be ridiculously difficult. Great job, rodg--thank you!13 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 3 Anonymous Users)

10 Members: Bob Lee Swagger, rodg12, Big Rocks, Chiwawa, El Floppo, timschochet, DCThunder, Abrantes, Uncle Humuna, Doug B

Maybe we'll get some make-up picks. :excited:

:hey: Bunny el Floppo and Doug B.

 
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Tim, I will post his pick. But first you need to put S&D back on my team or give me a LOGICAL reason as to why that pick was disallowed.

 
Tim, I will post his pick. But first you need to put S&D back on my team or give me a LOGICAL reason as to why that pick was disallowed.
You don't get to draft people, fictional or otherwise. FUBAR was supposed to have a fiction draft; don't know what ever happened to that.
 
Tim, I will post his pick. But first you need to put S&D back on my team or give me a LOGICAL reason as to why that pick was disallowed.
You don't get to draft people, fictional or otherwise. FUBAR was supposed to have a fiction draft; don't know what ever happened to that.
It's not a person. It's an internet character that was created by a person.How is this different than drafting a performance?

 
Tim, I will post his pick. But first you need to put S&D back on my team or give me a LOGICAL reason as to why that pick was disallowed.
You don't get to draft people, fictional or otherwise. FUBAR was supposed to have a fiction draft; don't know what ever happened to that.
It's not a person. It's an internet character that was created by a person.How is this different than drafting a performance?
Acting is meant to be something we can see: either a film, play, or television performance. Under your example, any fictional literary character could be drafted. As always, you're quite welcome to appeal my ruling.

 
MisfitBlondes said:
Tim, I will post his pick. But first you need to put S&D back on my team or give me a LOGICAL reason as to why that pick was disallowed.
You don't get to draft people, fictional or otherwise. FUBAR was supposed to have a fiction draft; don't know what ever happened to that.
The Acting Performance category might say differently. :goodposting:
I've noticed that you've started to punctuate all of your arguments with a "thumbs up" sign. Does this signify that you approve of yourself?
 
Tim, I will post his pick. But first you need to put S&D back on my team or give me a LOGICAL reason as to why that pick was disallowed.
You don't get to draft people, fictional or otherwise. FUBAR was supposed to have a fiction draft; don't know what ever happened to that.
It's not a person. It's an internet character that was created by a person.How is this different than drafting a performance?
Acting is meant to be something we can see: either a film, play, or television performance. Under your example, any fictional literary character could be drafted. As always, you're quite welcome to appeal my ruling.
I thought I did appeal it, and then I never heard peep.If I can't have S&D can I have one of his posts?

 
Tim, I will post his pick. But first you need to put S&D back on my team or give me a LOGICAL reason as to why that pick was disallowed.
You don't get to draft people, fictional or otherwise. FUBAR was supposed to have a fiction draft; don't know what ever happened to that.
It's not a person. It's an internet character that was created by a person.How is this different than drafting a performance?
Acting is meant to be something we can see: either a film, play, or television performance. Under your example, any fictional literary character could be drafted. As always, you're quite welcome to appeal my ruling.
having Norwood in this draft>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not having Norwood in this draft
 
Tim, I will post his pick. But first you need to put S&D back on my team or give me a LOGICAL reason as to why that pick was disallowed.
You don't get to draft people, fictional or otherwise. FUBAR was supposed to have a fiction draft; don't know what ever happened to that.
It's not a person. It's an internet character that was created by a person.How is this different than drafting a performance?
Acting is meant to be something we can see: either a film, play, or television performance. Under your example, any fictional literary character could be drafted. As always, you're quite welcome to appeal my ruling.
I thought I did appeal it, and then I never heard peep.If I can't have S&D can I have one of his posts?
maybe take him as an invention?
 
So if a fictional character is created and the medium for which this character appears is a movie, he is draftable. If the medium is the internet he is not draftable?

Is it just me or is there a huge disconnect here?

 
So if a fictional character is created and the medium for which this character appears is a movie, he is draftable. If the medium is the internet he is not draftable?Is it just me or is there a huge disconnect here?
You're not drafting the character. You're drafting the acting performance. You'll note that when I post acting performances in the OP, I list the actor and the name of the movie. I don't mention the name of the person the actor played, because that's not relevant.
 
So if a fictional character is created and the medium for which this character appears is a movie, he is draftable. If the medium is the internet he is not draftable?Is it just me or is there a huge disconnect here?
You're not drafting the character. You're drafting the acting performance. You'll note that when I post acting performances in the OP, I list the actor and the name of the movie. I don't mention the name of the person the actor played, because that's not relevant.
Fine I'll take Nipsey's portrayal of Studs and Duds, performance
 
37.17--In Cold Blood-Truman Capote-Non-Fiction

Since this book is often called the first non-fiction novel, I was seeking an advisory opinion as to taking it as a novel, but that was not to be...Nevertheless, In Cold Blood is Capote's magnum opus, an examination of the murder of a Kansas farm family by two parolees from the Kansas state pen. The story examines the psychological relationship between the killers who together committed a heinious crime that neither could have done alone. It also examines the relationship of the murdered family to their small farm community and how that community changed in the aftermath of the tragedy. The killers were eventually caught, tried, convicted and executed, events whicha re covered extensivley in the book.

Capote and his companion/assistant Harper Lee (yes the To Kill a Mockingbird Harper Lee) moved to rural Kansas to research the crime and its aftermath. Capote compiled over 8,000 pages of notes. He extensively interviewed town residents and the two killers after they were caught and before they were executed. Rumors were that Capote (who was closeted and gay) had a strong attraction for one of the killers.

This book was the precursor of New Journalism and as I said before was considered a "non-fiction novel" and the first "true crime" story, of which many have been written since. Truman Caopte was an fascinating man in his own right. A New York bon vivant and wit, he was also an excellent writer when the muse was upon him. This book has been made into a movie and a TV miniseries which were both well received.

 
37.17--In Cold Blood-Truman Capote-Non-Fiction

Since this book is often called the first non-fiction novel, I was seeking an advisory opinion as to taking it as a novel, but that was not to be...Nevertheless, In Cold Blood is Capote's magnum opus, an examination of the murder of a Kansas farm family by two parolees from the Kansas state pen. The story examines the psychological relationship between the killers who together committed a heinious crime that neither could have done alone. It also examines the relationship of the murdered family to their small farm community and how that community changed in the aftermath of the tragedy. The killers were eventually caught, tried, convicted and executed, events whicha re covered extensivley in the book.

Capote and his companion/assistant Harper Lee (yes the To Kill a Mockingbird Harper Lee) moved to rural Kansas to research the crime and its aftermath. Capote compiled over 8,000 pages of notes. He extensively interviewed town residents and the two killers after they were caught and before they were executed. Rumors were that Capote (who was closeted and gay) had a strong attraction for one of the killers.

This book was the precursor of New Journalism and as I said before was considered a "non-fiction novel" and the first "true crime" story, of which many have been written since. Truman Caopte was an fascinating man in his own right. A New York bon vivant and wit, he was also an excellent writer when the muse was upon him. This book has been made into a movie and a TV miniseries which were both well received.
:lmao: Had been considering this one for a while. Excellent pick.
 
So if a fictional character is created and the medium for which this character appears is a movie, he is draftable. If the medium is the internet he is not draftable?

Is it just me or is there a huge disconnect here?
You're not drafting the character. You're drafting the acting performance. You'll note that when I post acting performances in the OP, I list the actor and the name of the movie. I don't mention the name of the person the actor played, because that's not relevant.
Fine I'll take Nipsey's portrayal of Studs and Duds, performance
Since there are no objections, it has been bolded. We're official.
 
Fine I'll take Nipsey's portrayal of Studs and Duds, performance
The rules say, "live or filmed." I don't know who Nipsey is. I don't know that you can call this "acting". I have no idea if this is a "live" performance. I don't believe that pretending to be another person on the Internet is an acting perfomance. I can't believe I'm even wasting time writing this.Attempts to force me to rule on picks like this, or Wrestlemania, or the Immaculate Reception, are IMO nothing more than cheap attempts to mock this draft and the amount of time people have put into this. You haven't attempted this to the extent of Misfit Blondes, and I'm surprised and disapponted that you're starting now. In any event, you asked, I said no, you appealed, and Krista has upheld my decision. Time to move on.
 
Fine I'll take Nipsey's portrayal of Studs and Duds, performance
The rules say, "live or filmed." I don't know who Nipsey is. I don't know that you can call this "acting". I have no idea if this is a "live" performance. I don't believe that pretending to be another person on the Internet is an acting perfomance. I can't believe I'm even wasting time writing this.Attempts to force me to rule on picks like this, or Wrestlemania, or the Immaculate Reception, are IMO nothing more than cheap attempts to mock this draft and the amount of time people have put into this. You haven't attempted this to the extent of Misfit Blondes, and I'm surprised and disapponted that you're starting now. In any event, you asked, I said no, you appealed, and Krista has upheld my decision. Time to move on.
If you look at the complete rosters of both MisfitBlondes' and and Norwoods' teams it is quite clear the intent is not to mock the draft. If some of us choose to draft things that are a little different from the norm why does it matter to you? If some of us choose to draft things that we truly feel are great works then you should applaud us if we choose them knowing it won't be the #1 in the category but #1 in our hearts.
 
Fine I'll take Nipsey's portrayal of Studs and Duds, performance
The rules say, "live or filmed." I don't know who Nipsey is. I don't know that you can call this "acting". I have no idea if this is a "live" performance. I don't believe that pretending to be another person on the Internet is an acting perfomance. I can't believe I'm even wasting time writing this.Attempts to force me to rule on picks like this, or Wrestlemania, or the Immaculate Reception, are IMO nothing more than cheap attempts to mock this draft and the amount of time people have put into this. You haven't attempted this to the extent of Misfit Blondes, and I'm surprised and disapponted that you're starting now. In any event, you asked, I said no, you appealed, and Krista has upheld my decision. Time to move on.
Nipsey is a regular on the board and a professional actor. Don't pretend that you don't know who he is. Everyone knows Nipsey.This isn't an attempt to mock the draft. I just want to draft the things that I like.For the record there have been live performances of Studs and Duds in chat.
 
Fine I'll take Nipsey's portrayal of Studs and Duds, performance
The rules say, "live or filmed." I don't know who Nipsey is. I don't know that you can call this "acting". I have no idea if this is a "live" performance. I don't believe that pretending to be another person on the Internet is an acting perfomance. I can't believe I'm even wasting time writing this.Attempts to force me to rule on picks like this, or Wrestlemania, or the Immaculate Reception, are IMO nothing more than cheap attempts to mock this draft and the amount of time people have put into this. You haven't attempted this to the extent of Misfit Blondes, and I'm surprised and disapponted that you're starting now. In any event, you asked, I said no, you appealed, and Krista has upheld my decision. Time to move on.
If you look at the complete rosters of both MisfitBlondes' and and Norwoods' teams it is quite clear the intent is not to mock the draft. If some of us choose to draft things that are a little different from the norm why does it matter to you? If some of us choose to draft things that we truly feel are great works then you should applaud us if we choose them knowing it won't be the #1 in the category but #1 in our hearts.
:confused:
 
MisfitBlondes said:
MisfitBlondes said:
I don't mention the name of the person the actor played, because that's not relevant.
Tim, we've disagreed on many things but this might be the most absurd thing you've said in this draft.
Perhaps you should rank them at the end as it's own category.
You're dismissing the fact that people remember the character just as much, if not more, than the actor who played it. To say it isn't relevant is ridiculous as the performance wouldn't exist if there wasn't a character to portray.
That may be how people remember it, but the category is designed to judge acting. If it was designed to judge the character itself, there would be a screenplay category. We're not supposed to be evaluating the lines but how they are delivered. In some ways you are correct; it's very difficult to divorce one from the other, but it's important to attempt it.
 

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