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Official Great Works Draft (1 Viewer)

Couple of thoughts....................

I think Tim did well with his plays judging - but I wish we had separated out Musicals and Opera into different Categories.

In hindsight, I could probably have taken The Nutcracker in the bottom 1/4 of this draft, not in the top 10.

Wish there were more poems, documentaries, and short stories.

 
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DCThunder said:
Even only having read a play seems off, as plays are meant to be performed and seen and experienced by an audience, not just read like a novel. Staging and costumes and lighting and acting and music (if any) all go into the theatre experience. Reading Marc Antony's funeral oration isn't the same as seeing a great actor emote those words.
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This is true in some cases but not in all cases. I think Goethe's Faust Pt. 1 , The Tempest and perhaps even Hamlet are examples of plays that are great literature, perhaps even better read than seen.
 
I guess it's safe at this point to mention some documentaries. The 20 pointer which was not taken (IMO) is The Sorrow and The Pity a 4 hour film from the 1960's about the German occupation of a small town in France. It remains one of the most mesmerizing films I have even seen.

Another one I would rank very highly is Don't Look Back about Bob Dylan's 1966 British concert tour. This film is completely iconic; it begins with the famous scene of Dylan holding signs and dropping them as he sings "Subterranean Homesick Blues". But it's the mystery of Dylan himself that is fascinating here.

Gimme Shelter is a film of the infamous Rolling Stones' concert in Altamont that ended with the murder of a concertgoer by Hells Angels who were incredibly hired by the Stones bodyguard. This film is a critical look at the late 1960's rock culture.

Two more personal favorites:

Let It Be chronicles the last days of the Beatles and presents the strain as they prepare and then perform their last live concert on the top of a building at Abbey Road. It's a final, all too brief look at greatness.

And finally a personal favorite, having grown up in Southern California: Endless Summer is a film completely devoted to surfing. I have trouble giving a sober evaluation of this film as I don't think I was ever sober (or without some sort of mind altering substance) when I've seen it. A true classic.

 
As far as albums go - it's too bad nobody picked Songs for Swingin' Lovers!

Wee Small Hours is deservedly among the Top Tier, but I think this album easily also could/should have been. It's basically the upbeat, swinging counterpart to the sad, lonely crooning of Hours. If you could listen to one repeatedly over time I think most people would rather listen to the swinging tunes, and that is what Sinatra is ultimately most known for. Side 1 begins with "You Make Me Feel So Young" and Side 2 with "I've Got You Under My Skin" just to give a sense of the kind of songs we're talking about here. Other classics include: It Happened in Monterray, You're Getting to be a Habit with Me, Our Love is Here to Stay, Pennies from Heaven, Too Marvelous For Words.

Sinatra's voice was perhaps prettiest in the Columbia Years but the music behind it often feels dated at this point. The music is pretty good in the Tommy Dorsey years (pre-Columbia) - but Frank's parts are smaller and the chorus singing behind him is often comically cheesy). His voice was most mature and knowing in the later Reprise years. The Capitol years in between - when Wee Small Hours and Swingin' Lovers among others were made - is when he was at his best and you kinda have the best of both worlds there. Backing orchestra is also spot-on for these albums.

As far as the Beatles go - I do think they're just far too good to not have a number of albums really high up. I can sort of see the judge's point about having only 1 album for most bands in Tier 1 because there are so many great artists and honestly in my view unless you are a huge fan - there isn't a huge amount of difference in the sound most bands have over the years. I love Led Zeppelin for example and I'm not saying they don't have variety in their music but I would more likely describe their various albums as them just making more songs with a similar sound/feel with some evolution over time. I'm glad they did that and I like practically all their albums - but there's not enough difference between the albums to really make it worth rating more than 1 of them really highly. On the other hand - the Beatles I think are just a lot more diverse than that. Between changing a lot over time and having 3 different guys writing pretty different style songs throughout - there's just a lot more to give a shout-out to. I Want To Hold Your Hand is pretty different from Across the Universe. I personally think Revolver is the best album and even within it - you've got songs like Good Day Sunshine (McCartney), Tomorrow Never Knows (Lennon) and "Love You To" (Harrison) that are more diverse than most bands put out during their career.

BTW - not trying to pick on Zeppelin. I think you could easily sub in the Stones or U2 or whoever you want and they just didn't have as much diversity in their music as the Beatles.

 
timschochet said:
I guess it's safe at this point to mention some documentaries. The 20 pointer which was not taken (IMO) is The Sorrow and The Pity a 4 hour film from the 1960's about the German occupation of a small town in France. It remains one of the most mesmerizing films I have even seen.

Another one I would rank very highly is Don't Look Back about Bob Dylan's 1966 British concert tour. This film is completely iconic; it begins with the famous scene of Dylan holding signs and dropping them as he sings "Subterranean Homesick Blues". But it's the mystery of Dylan himself that is fascinating here.

Gimme Shelter is a film of the infamous Rolling Stones' concert in Altamont that ended with the murder of a concertgoer by Hells Angels who were incredibly hired by the Stones bodyguard. This film is a critical look at the late 1960's rock culture.

Two more personal favorites:

Let It Be chronicles the last days of the Beatles and presents the strain as they prepare and then perform their last live concert on the top of a building at Abbey Road. It's a final, all too brief look at greatness.

And finally a personal favorite, having grown up in Southern California: Endless Summer is a film completely devoted to surfing. I have trouble giving a sober evaluation of this film as I don't think I was ever sober (or without some sort of mind altering substance) when I've seen it. A true classic.
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Couple more."Cadillac Desert" (which I've pimped in every non-fiction book and documentary list this board has done).

It's about the politics of water in the American West.

(There is a whole section dedicated to the story of L.A. and The Owens River - which was the plot backdrop for China Town).

It's an absolutely amazing documentary (actually a 4-part series), and probably and even better book.

It reads like a novel and is a page-turner.

I think it should be required reading for anyone who lives west of the Mississippi . . .

And of course, "Straight, No Chaser", which I just watched for the first time in awhile this last weekend.

Never ceases to blow me away.

:football:

Ditto on Endless Summer.

Hey Tim, what town?

What high school?

What year?

 
sinatravolta said:
As far as albums go - it's too bad nobody picked Songs for Swingin' Lovers!

Wee Small Hours is deservedly among the Top Tier, but I think this album easily also could/should have been. It's basically the upbeat, swinging counterpart to the sad, lonely crooning of Hours. If you could listen to one repeatedly over time I think most people would rather listen to the swinging tunes, and that is what Sinatra is ultimately most known for. Side 1 begins with "You Make Me Feel So Young" and Side 2 with "I've Got You Under My Skin" just to give a sense of the kind of songs we're talking about here. Other classics include: It Happened in Monterray, You're Getting to be a Habit with Me, Our Love is Here to Stay, Pennies from Heaven, Too Marvelous For Words.

Sinatra's voice was perhaps prettiest in the Columbia Years but the music behind it often feels dated at this point. The music is pretty good in the Tommy Dorsey years (pre-Columbia) - but Frank's parts are smaller and the chorus singing behind him is often comically cheesy). His voice was most mature and knowing in the later Reprise years. The Capitol years in between - when Wee Small Hours and Swingin' Lovers among others were made - is when he was at his best and you kinda have the best of both worlds there. Backing orchestra is also spot-on for these albums.
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On the short short list.Linky

eta-> :goodposting: Nelson Riddle

 
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sinatravolta said:
As far as albums go - it's too bad nobody picked Songs for Swingin' Lovers!

Wee Small Hours is deservedly among the Top Tier, but I think this album easily also could/should have been. It's basically the upbeat, swinging counterpart to the sad, lonely crooning of Hours. If you could listen to one repeatedly over time I think most people would rather listen to the swinging tunes, and that is what Sinatra is ultimately most known for. Side 1 begins with "You Make Me Feel So Young" and Side 2 with "I've Got You Under My Skin" just to give a sense of the kind of songs we're talking about here. Other classics include: It Happened in Monterray, You're Getting to be a Habit with Me, Our Love is Here to Stay, Pennies from Heaven, Too Marvelous For Words.

I thought about Swingin' Lovers, but ultimately decided to go with Hours, since it did pioneer the "concept album"

Sinatra's voice was perhaps prettiest in the Columbia Years but the music behind it often feels dated at this point. The music is pretty good in the Tommy Dorsey years (pre-Columbia) - but Frank's parts are smaller and the chorus singing behind him is often comically cheesy). His voice was most mature and knowing in the later Reprise years. The Capitol years in between - when Wee Small Hours and Swingin' Lovers among others were made - is when he was at his best and you kinda have the best of both worlds there. Backing orchestra is also spot-on for these albums.

Capitol Years were the Nelson Riddle years and Riddle as an arranger was top notch. He even made Linda Ronstadt sound good doing standards years later. But the Dorsey songs were pretty good too. "I'll Never Smile Again" is a great song, even with the Pied Pipers doing back-up. Franks work with Axel Stordahl is certainly different and "prettier" but it's good too.

As far as the Beatles go - I do think they're just far too good to not have a number of albums really high up. I can sort of see the judge's point about having only 1 album for most bands in Tier 1 because there are so many great artists and honestly in my view unless you are a huge fan - there isn't a huge amount of difference in the sound most bands have over the years. I love Led Zeppelin for example and I'm not saying they don't have variety in their music but I would more likely describe their various albums as them just making more songs with a similar sound/feel with some evolution over time. I'm glad they did that and I like practically all their albums - but there's not enough difference between the albums to really make it worth rating more than 1 of them really highly. On the other hand - the Beatles I think are just a lot more diverse than that. Between changing a lot over time and having 3 different guys writing pretty different style songs throughout - there's just a lot more to give a shout-out to. I Want To Hold Your Hand is pretty different from Across the Universe. I personally think Revolver is the best album and even within it - you've got songs like Good Day Sunshine (McCartney), Tomorrow Never Knows (Lennon) and "Love You To" (Harrison) that are more diverse than most bands put out during their career.

BTW - not trying to pick on Zeppelin. I think you could easily sub in the Stones or U2 or whoever you want and they just didn't have as much diversity in their music as the Beatles.
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Some comments on Frank and his albums...
 
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Uncle Humuna said:
"Cadillac Desert" (which I've pimped in every non-fiction book and documentary list this board has done).It's about the politics of water in the American West.(There is a whole section dedicated to the story of L.A. and The Owens River - which was the plot backdrop for China Town).It's an absolutely amazing documentary (actually a 4-part series), and probably and even better book.It reads like a novel and is a page-turner.I think it should be required reading for anyone who lives west of the Mississippi . . .?
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:hey: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: would have been an outstanding choice for either n-f book or doc (pretty sure it had a theatrical release in some form). ive lived in the high desert for 30+ yrs and water is the only issue ive been activist about since my hippie days. ive built 40some xeriscapes with/for friends, report abusers here in Burque (water enforcement knows me by name) & may be the only person on earth who actually admires Sen Harry Reid (he saved the water from eastern slope of the Sierras - the source of which exists in Cali but drains into Nev {Walker River valley one of my fav spots on earth}- from the hydrovoric appetites of Californians). i read and/or watch annually to keep my dander up - as entertaining as informative.
 
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DCThunder said:
sinatravolta said:
As far as albums go - it's too bad nobody picked Songs for Swingin' Lovers!

Wee Small Hours is deservedly among the Top Tier, but I think this album easily also could/should have been. It's basically the upbeat, swinging counterpart to the sad, lonely crooning of Hours. If you could listen to one repeatedly over time I think most people would rather listen to the swinging tunes, and that is what Sinatra is ultimately most known for. Side 1 begins with "You Make Me Feel So Young" and Side 2 with "I've Got You Under My Skin" just to give a sense of the kind of songs we're talking about here. Other classics include: It Happened in Monterray, You're Getting to be a Habit with Me, Our Love is Here to Stay, Pennies from Heaven, Too Marvelous For Words.

I thought about Swingin' Lovers, but ultimately decided to go with Hours, since it did pioneer the "concept album"

Sinatra's voice was perhaps prettiest in the Columbia Years but the music behind it often feels dated at this point. The music is pretty good in the Tommy Dorsey years (pre-Columbia) - but Frank's parts are smaller and the chorus singing behind him is often comically cheesy). His voice was most mature and knowing in the later Reprise years. The Capitol years in between - when Wee Small Hours and Swingin' Lovers among others were made - is when he was at his best and you kinda have the best of both worlds there. Backing orchestra is also spot-on for these albums.

Capitol Years were the Nelson Riddle years and Riddle as an arranger was top notch. He even made Linda Ronstadt sound good doing standards years later. But the Dorsey songs were pretty good too. "I'll Never Smile Again" is a great song, even with the Pied Pipers doing back-up. Franks work with Axel Stordahl is certainly different and "prettier" but it's good too.

As far as the Beatles go - I do think they're just far too good to not have a number of albums really high up. I can sort of see the judge's point about having only 1 album for most bands in Tier 1 because there are so many great artists and honestly in my view unless you are a huge fan - there isn't a huge amount of difference in the sound most bands have over the years. I love Led Zeppelin for example and I'm not saying they don't have variety in their music but I would more likely describe their various albums as them just making more songs with a similar sound/feel with some evolution over time. I'm glad they did that and I like practically all their albums - but there's not enough difference between the albums to really make it worth rating more than 1 of them really highly. On the other hand - the Beatles I think are just a lot more diverse than that. Between changing a lot over time and having 3 different guys writing pretty different style songs throughout - there's just a lot more to give a shout-out to. I Want To Hold Your Hand is pretty different from Across the Universe. I personally think Revolver is the best album and even within it - you've got songs like Good Day Sunshine (McCartney), Tomorrow Never Knows (Lennon) and "Love You To" (Harrison) that are more diverse than most bands put out during their career.

BTW - not trying to pick on Zeppelin. I think you could easily sub in the Stones or U2 or whoever you want and they just didn't have as much diversity in their music as the Beatles.
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Close between Riddle and Quincy/Basie for me.Would love to have heard Basie's orchestra doing Riddle arrangements.

 
Was Endless Summer, really a documentary? It's been a while since I've seen it, but it sort of had a plot, IIRC.

Krista, judge of all things non-fiction, would this movie have counted???

 
Uncle Humuna said:
timschochet said:
I guess it's safe at this point to mention some documentaries. The 20 pointer which was not taken (IMO) is The Sorrow and The Pity a 4 hour film from the 1960's about the German occupation of a small town in France. It remains one of the most mesmerizing films I have even seen.

Another one I would rank very highly is Don't Look Back about Bob Dylan's 1966 British concert tour. This film is completely iconic; it begins with the famous scene of Dylan holding signs and dropping them as he sings "Subterranean Homesick Blues". But it's the mystery of Dylan himself that is fascinating here.

Gimme Shelter is a film of the infamous Rolling Stones' concert in Altamont that ended with the murder of a concertgoer by Hells Angels who were incredibly hired by the Stones bodyguard. This film is a critical look at the late 1960's rock culture.

Two more personal favorites:

Let It Be chronicles the last days of the Beatles and presents the strain as they prepare and then perform their last live concert on the top of a building at Abbey Road. It's a final, all too brief look at greatness.

And finally a personal favorite, having grown up in Southern California: Endless Summer is a film completely devoted to surfing. I have trouble giving a sober evaluation of this film as I don't think I was ever sober (or without some sort of mind altering substance) when I've seen it. A true classic.
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Couple more."Cadillac Desert" (which I've pimped in every non-fiction book and documentary list this board has done).

It's about the politics of water in the American West.

(There is a whole section dedicated to the story of L.A. and The Owens River - which was the plot backdrop for China Town).

It's an absolutely amazing documentary (actually a 4-part series), and probably and even better book.

It reads like a novel and is a page-turner.

I think it should be required reading for anyone who lives west of the Mississippi . . .

And of course, "Straight, No Chaser", which I just watched for the first time in awhile this last weekend.

Never ceases to blow me away.

:hey:

Ditto on Endless Summer.

Hey Tim, what town?

What high school?

What year?
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Care to take this as thatguy's final doc and/or non-fiction book??
 
rodg12 said:
Uncle Humuna said:
timschochet said:
I guess it's safe at this point to mention some documentaries. The 20 pointer which was not taken (IMO) is The Sorrow and The Pity a 4 hour film from the 1960's about the German occupation of a small town in France. It remains one of the most mesmerizing films I have even seen.

Another one I would rank very highly is Don't Look Back about Bob Dylan's 1966 British concert tour. This film is completely iconic; it begins with the famous scene of Dylan holding signs and dropping them as he sings "Subterranean Homesick Blues". But it's the mystery of Dylan himself that is fascinating here.

Gimme Shelter is a film of the infamous Rolling Stones' concert in Altamont that ended with the murder of a concertgoer by Hells Angels who were incredibly hired by the Stones bodyguard. This film is a critical look at the late 1960's rock culture.

Two more personal favorites:

Let It Be chronicles the last days of the Beatles and presents the strain as they prepare and then perform their last live concert on the top of a building at Abbey Road. It's a final, all too brief look at greatness.

And finally a personal favorite, having grown up in Southern California: Endless Summer is a film completely devoted to surfing. I have trouble giving a sober evaluation of this film as I don't think I was ever sober (or without some sort of mind altering substance) when I've seen it. A true classic.
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Couple more."Cadillac Desert" (which I've pimped in every non-fiction book and documentary list this board has done).

It's about the politics of water in the American West.

(There is a whole section dedicated to the story of L.A. and The Owens River - which was the plot backdrop for China Town).

It's an absolutely amazing documentary (actually a 4-part series), and probably and even better book.

It reads like a novel and is a page-turner.

I think it should be required reading for anyone who lives west of the Mississippi . . .

And of course, "Straight, No Chaser", which I just watched for the first time in awhile this last weekend.

Never ceases to blow me away.

:goodposting:

Ditto on Endless Summer.

Hey Tim, what town?

What high school?

What year?
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Care to take this as thatguy's final doc and/or non-fiction book??
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Gladly!He gets the book.

 
For thatguy on behalf of Uncle Humuna:



56.11 - Cadillac Desert - Marc Reisner - Non-fiction Book

"Cadillac Desert" (which I've pimped in every non-fiction book and documentary list this board has done).

It's about the politics of water in the American West.

(There is a whole section dedicated to the story of L.A. and The Owens River - which was the plot backdrop for China Town).

It's an absolutely amazing documentary (actually a 4-part series), and probably an even better book.

It reads like a novel and is a page-turner.

I think it should be required reading for anyone who lives west of the Mississippi . . .
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would have been an outstanding choice for either n-f book or doc (pretty sure it had a theatrical release in some form). ive lived in the high desert for 30+ yrs and water is the only issue ive been activist about since my hippie days. ive built 40some xeriscapes with/for friends, report abusers here in Burque (water enforcement knows me by name) & may be the only person on earth who actually admires Sen Harry Reid (he saved the water from eastern slope of the Sierras - the source of which exists in Cali but drains into Nev {Walker River valley one of my fav spots on earth}- from the hydrovoric appetites of Californians). i read and/or watch annually to keep my dander up - as entertaining as informative.
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Cadillac Desert, by Marc Reisner, is a 1986 book (ISBN 0-14-017824-4) about land development and water policy in the western United States. Subtitled The American West and its Disappearing Water, it gives the history of the Bureau of Reclamation and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and their struggle to remake the American West. The book's main conclusion is that development-driven policies, formed when settling the West was the country's main concern, are having serious long-term negative effects on the environment and water quantity.
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Wiki
 
Uncle Humuna said:
Song Tiers - 1st Stab

No ranking currently done within tiers.

Tier assignment subject to change

I

Amazing Grace

The Battle Hymn of the Republic

Imagine

Johnny B. Goode

Like A Rolling Stone

Over the Rainbow - too high

Stille Nacht (Silent Night) - too high

St. Louis Blues - too high

Strange Fruit

Summertime

II

A Change is Gonna Come

Bohemian Rhapsody

Greensleeves

Hey Jude

(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction

Smells Like Teen Spirit

Stairway to Heaven

Take the "A" Train

What's Going On

White Christmas

III

Blowin' In The Wind

God Bless America - too high

God Bless The Child

God Only Knows - too high

My Generation

Respect

(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay

What A Wonderful World

Yesterday

IV

American Pie - too high

Folsom Prison Blues

The House of the Rising Sun

Layla

Lili Marlene

Superstition

Sympathy for the Devil

Swing Low, Sweet Chariot

Take Five

This Land Is Your Land - too high

V

The Alphabet Song - could be the worst song in here

Baba O'Reilly - higher

Cross Road Blues

Hallelujah - higher

Kashmir

Moanin'

Minnie the Moocher

No Woman, No Cry

Unchained Melody - higher

VI

Atmosphere

Ohio

Oh Pretty Woman

Purple Rain

Red House - higher :goodposting:

Sing Sing Sing (With A Swing)

Smoke on the Water - higher

Welcome to the Jungle

Wish You Were Here

My Picks

Good Vibrations

The Way You Look Tonight
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Endless Summer and Gimme Shelter were in my hopper for Documentary consideration. Ended up going with The Last Waltz.

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Tim, you and wikkid will be interested to know that I was weighing Chess and Equus for my final play selection. I'd been in and out of the draft so much, I forgot that musicals were contraindicated and went with the dread "personal favorite over the artsy-fartsy" reasoning. D'oh! :shrug:

 
rodg12 said:
Thatguy - 4 (Documentary, Invention, Invention, Invention, Movie, Non-fiction Book, Play, T.V. Show, Wildcard)
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In pure scientific fashion, Oliver Humanzee has selected thatguy's documentary as follows:krista4: Quick, name a documentary!

OH: Hoop Dreams

krista4: Quick, name another documentary!

OH: [short pause] Thin Blue Line

krista4: Quick, name another documentary!

OH: [long pause] Nanook of the North

OH therefore selects for thatguy, as thatguy's documentary, Nanook of the North.

Ranking to come.

 
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Uncle Humuna said:
Ditto on Endless Summer.Hey Tim, what town?What high school?What year?
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Huntington Beach High School, Surf City USAClass of 83
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La Serna High in Whittier, '82.When I was a kid the state-side was a regular summer pilgrimage for the fam.When I hit Jr. High, we were the inland kooks that you hated so much, riding the bus with our boogie boards to the pier.High school it was surfboards and our own cars.
 
thatguy make-up pick. This pick is in spirit of this draft and deserves a higher ranking than I am sure it will get. I came very close to drafting it myself.

thatguy WC -The Messiah Violin by Antonius Stradivarius

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_Stradivarius

The “Messiah” violin made by Antonius Stradivarius in Cremona, Italy in 1716 is considered by many people to be the consumate violin. The craftsmanship of the violin is exquisitely precise. The Spruce and Maple of the instrument are outstanding.

The Messiah violin remained unused in the Stradivarius workshop until the death of Antonius Stradivarius in 1737. Still unused and not played, the Messiah violin was sold by Antonius’ son Paolo to Count Cozio di Salabue in 1775. Luigi Tarisio purchased the Messiah Stradivarius violin from Count Cozio in 1827. Jean-Baptiste Vuillaume of Paris purchased the Messiah Stradivarius violin , and the rest of Tarisio’s collection, upon Tarisio’s death in 1854. Eventually the Messiah Stradivarius made its way to London and the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford, England.

The Messiah Antonius Stradivarius violin is still on display at the Ashmolean and still remains unused and not played. The violin is very close to the original state it left the workshop of Antonius Stradivarius in 1737.
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I thought Tim had taken an invention for thatguy, but I think he removed the pick. Therefore, after Fennis makes his WC selection, thatguy will still need....

Invention

Invention

Invention

 
Fennis said:
thatguy make-up pick. This pick is in spirit of this draft and deserves a higher ranking than I am sure it will get. I came very close to drafting it myself.

thatguy WC -The Messiah Violin by Antonius Stradivarius

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_Stradivarius

The “Messiah” violin made by Antonius Stradivarius in Cremona, Italy in 1716 is considered by many people to be the consumate violin. The craftsmanship of the violin is exquisitely precise. The Spruce and Maple of the instrument are outstanding.

The Messiah violin remained unused in the Stradivarius workshop until the death of Antonius Stradivarius in 1737. Still unused and not played, the Messiah violin was sold by Antonius’ son Paolo to Count Cozio di Salabue in 1775. Luigi Tarisio purchased the Messiah Stradivarius violin from Count Cozio in 1827. Jean-Baptiste Vuillaume of Paris purchased the Messiah Stradivarius violin , and the rest of Tarisio’s collection, upon Tarisio’s death in 1854. Eventually the Messiah Stradivarius made its way to London and the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford, England.

The Messiah Antonius Stradivarius violin is still on display at the Ashmolean and still remains unused and not played. The violin is very close to the original state it left the workshop of Antonius Stradivarius in 1737.
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:goodposting: Was going to go with another specific make and model of musical instrument if Jesus's resurrection AND Wilt's red erection had both gotten the kabosh from Tim the Merciless . . .

 
tim, in ranking thatguy's documentary, I don't need to move anyone else down, do I? I don't really want to mess with anyone else's ranking. Would rather just have two of something. This OK?

 
rodg12 said:
Uncle Humuna said:
Fennis said:
Uncle Humuna said:
rodg12 said:
I thought Tim had taken an invention for thatguy, but I think he removed the pick. Therefore, after Fennis makes his WC selection, thatguy will still need....

Invention

Invention

Invention
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Our we only allowed 1 proxy picl?
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I took two :thumbup:
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Okay.For one of his inventions, Thatguy takes Hydraulics.
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This?
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youtube blocked at work . . .
 
I'll make a proxy Invention pick for thatguy:

Barbed Wire fencing--Invented in the mid 19th century, barbed wire quickly became the fencing of choice for ranchers on the Great Plains and elsewhere where trees were scarce or non-existant. It began to be used in 1914 by both the British and German armies as a defensive impediment in front of the trenches. Nowadays, barbed wire is ubiquitious in protecting all sorts of structures and positions, not to mention tattooed around the biceps of guys who are trying to look cool..

 
Doug B said:
' said:
Uncle Humuna said:
Song Tiers - 1st Stab

V

Unchained Melody - higher
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Just my opinions, otherwise pretty solid list
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Didn't understand that one at all beyond a "personal dispreference" reasoning. Maybe it's played out ... but that's not the song's fault :thumbup: Bobby Hatfield knocked that vocal performance out of the Grand Canyon, IMHO.
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Take a look at the tier, it's in some damn good company:
Uncle Humuna said:
V

The Alphabet Song

Baba O'Reilly

Cross Road Blues

Hallelujah

Kashmir

Moanin'

Minnie the Moocher

No Woman, No Cry

Unchained Melody
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Those are 9 of the best songs ever written/recorded.All I can do is reiterate - this category sucks.

Love Unchained Melody.

But I think it's placement fits right in with the stated judging criteria:

Historical significance

Musical significance

Longevity

Popularity

Musical achievement

Lyrical achievement

How much I like it
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You do have a very valid point though - I probably should have added musical performance to the list of criteria.
 
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Non Fiction

1 Point

Founding Brothers

Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid

In trying to evaluate non fiction works, there are two basic factors to consider:

1. The influence of the work upon world history and the advancement of human civilization.

2. The superlative quality of the work.

The first factor outweighs the second by about 9-1. So that really the only way I can evaluate the quality of any work is if all other factors are equal.

Thus, the above two books are not meant to be considered as bad or mediocre in any way. They simply pale in influence compared to the other works of nonfiction selected in this draft.

Founding Brothers won the Pulitzer Prize for history, which puts it on a very short list. Godel, Escher, Bach also won the Pulitzer. In a way, both books are similar:they are studies of famous figures in order to form new perspective, one from a historical basis, the other from a psychological basis. Both are interesting and thought provoking. But neither book moved mountains or destroyed cultures, and that is the fantastic gauge I am forced to use here.

 
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DCThunder said:
I'll make a proxy Invention pick for thatguy:

Barbed Wire fencing--Invented in the mid 19th century, barbed wire quickly became the fencing of choice for ranchers on the Great Plains and elsewhere where trees were scarce or non-existant. It began to be used in 1914 by both the British and German armies as a defensive impediment in front of the trenches. Nowadays, barbed wire is ubiquitious in protecting all sorts of structures and positions, not to mention tattooed around the biceps of guys who are trying to look cool..
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One of the times I drove across country, I drove about 20 miles out of the way to go here: http://www.rushcounty.org/barbedwiremuseum/It was awesome!

 
Fennis said:
DCThunder said:
I'll make a proxy Invention pick for thatguy:

Barbed Wire fencing--Invented in the mid 19th century, barbed wire quickly became the fencing of choice for ranchers on the Great Plains and elsewhere where trees were scarce or non-existant. It began to be used in 1914 by both the British and German armies as a defensive impediment in front of the trenches. Nowadays, barbed wire is ubiquitious in protecting all sorts of structures and positions, not to mention tattooed around the biceps of guys who are trying to look cool..
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One of the times I drove across country, I drove about 20 miles out of the way to go here: http://www.rushcounty.org/barbedwiremuseum/It was awesome!
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And yet you're still married?
 
krista4 said:
Fennis said:
DCThunder said:
I'll make a proxy Invention pick for thatguy:

Barbed Wire fencing--Invented in the mid 19th century, barbed wire quickly became the fencing of choice for ranchers on the Great Plains and elsewhere where trees were scarce or non-existant. It began to be used in 1914 by both the British and German armies as a defensive impediment in front of the trenches. Nowadays, barbed wire is ubiquitious in protecting all sorts of structures and positions, not to mention tattooed around the biceps of guys who are trying to look cool..
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One of the times I drove across country, I drove about 20 miles out of the way to go here: http://www.rushcounty.org/barbedwiremuseum/It was awesome!
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And yet you're still married?
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:lol: It was before I was married. And no girls allowed. I was helping a friend move from NJ to WA.

ETA: We had to stop in Denver, that's why we had that route.

 
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