***Official*** Green Bay Packers Offseason Thread, v. 2014 (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

I don't see any significant improvement over the packers based on the draft. Packers O has gotten better and D dbacks still suck.

QB/RB/WR - packers are better. . Calvin is the best WR in the league, but overall the pack have better WR and got better in the draft.

As bad as the Packers D backfield is, Detroits is worse

Dline is the only place Detroit is clearly better.

Other than Rodgers, Lacy, Matthews, maybe Sitton, overpaid Shields, Cobb & Nelson (instead of CJ/Tate), I'd take the Lion at every other position.

The only reason GB has had more success thus far is the skill of Rodgers and the fact that Green Bay hasn't had a revolving door at coach.

I think it's an even field with the Lions toward the end of 2014 (potential, perhaps not record), depending on the success of this draft class.

I think you ignore the potential of Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Lang...Hayward...and so on.

What Lions are you really taking at each position?

LBs and Dline I will give you (outside of Matthews as you said).

Id take our secondary, most of our OL, our QB, our RB...WRs top to bottom (obviously Id rather have Calvin).

Seems like you are making a good case for GB being more talented by a decent margin.

All this despite picking in the 20s or later for the better part of the last 20 years and the Lions picking much earlier.

 

[sho nuff]

I don't

2013 - Where Rodgers did not even play a number of games, the Packers O was better than Detroit O

If Detroit could not of done a better job on offense than the Packers did with the revolving door qb situation - Even without Rodgers, the Packers offense is better than Detroits.

Considering the draft, Detroit has not made that any closer

Now on Defense, yes, Detroit is better than the Packers. Not good enough to make up for the pathetic excuse that Detroit O is

Wow, did not realize that. The defense is a shambles though. I just want to see what they defense could do if it actually starter all their starters or even 10 of 12.

What does the Packers starters look like right now?

LIne - Raji, ?. ?

Backers - Matthews, Hawk, Perry? , who else?

Backs - Haha, Burnett, Heyward, Shields, Tramon?

3/4 base

Line: Daniels, Raji, (not sure who will start of Jones or Worthy likely...Boyd, Guion, Thornton moving around as well or Neal moving back inside some)

LBs: Matthews, Hawk, Jones, Peppers (unless they move Peppers inside or Neal inside and you have Neal and Perry too)

CB: Shileds, Tramon, Hayward/Hyde

S: Burnett and HaHa

 

[smackdaddies]

Seems like you are making a good case for GB being more talented by a decent margin.

All this despite picking in the 20s or later for the better part of the last 20 years and the Lions picking much earlier.

That is pretty much it. Any other position is simply either wishful thinking or trolling

 

[smackdaddies]

Back to the Packers

Was anyone else surprised by the number of WR chosen? I mean BPA sure, but with the holes in the Packers dline, lb, safety, your telling me there was no better choices?

Honestly the only position on D the Packers can make the arguement that their starters are good are the cornerbacks - Shields/Tramon/Hayward/Michah - and clearly they could stand to improve past the top three.

 

[sho nuff]

Back to the Packers

Was anyone else surprised by the number of WR chosen? I mean BPA sure, but with the holes in the Packers dline, lb, safety, your telling me there was no better choices?

Honestly the only position on D the Packers can make the arguement that their starters are good are the cornerbacks - Shields/Tramon/Hayward/Michah - and clearly they could stand to improve past the top three.

I wasn't totally.

Probably more that they are not sold on the PS guys from last year...plus the worry that they could lose Nelson or Cobb to FA.

Id guess barring injury they keep 5 WRs on the active roster...Cobb, Nelson, Boykin, Adams, and Abby and stash Janis on the PS.

I think they saw ILB as a very thin position in this draft and things didn't really fall their way there.

OLB...they addressed it to a point...they were not going to spend highly on an LB...or DL spot because of the numbers and the potential of what they have.

I think fans give up on guys way quicker than coaches give up on people like Perry, Jones, Worthy...

 

[smackdaddies]

CBS Sports says

Third-day gem: Sixth-round corner Demetri Goodson is a raw player who is still learning how to play the position after playing basketball. But he has talent.

Anyone think he can be the next Shields?

 

[sho nuff]

CBS Sports says

Third-day gem: Sixth-round corner Demetri Goodson is a raw player who is still learning how to play the position after playing basketball. But he has talent.

Anyone think he can be the next Shields?

Doubt he comes right in and performs. Think PS is his destination...probably best with his injury issues to take a year to learn. CB is pretty crowded for him to break through unless Hayward again can't stay healthy.

 

[smackdaddies]

How good does he have to be to beat bush?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

In the past few years the Packers receiving corps has seen Driver, Jennings, and Jones leave, and has seen Finley injured to the point he is likely done as well. It should come as no surprise, then, that they spent some draft capital on receivers. We are talking about a dream receiving corps for most teams gone in little over two years. Yes, Finley might recover, and he might resign with the Packers, but that is a matter very much in doubt.

As for the argument about the relative talent of Detroit, I acknowledge that two + decades of drafting essentially in the top 5 spots has produced a roster with some special individual talents. Calvin Johnson is transcendent. Suh can be a beast if motivated to play, of course often he is not. Fairley is a load. The Q.B., in spite of an irregular delivery and a propensity to wear his hat backward, showing he still is a child, has shown guts in playing while injured, and clearly is immensely talented. Detroit has every reason to think they can finish ahead of the Vikings.

 

[Sabertooth]

In the past few years the Packers receiving corps has seen Driver, Jennings, and Jones leave, and has seen Finley injured to the point he is likely done as well. It should come as no surprise, then, that they spent some draft capital on receivers. We are talking about a dream receiving corps for most teams gone in little over two years. Yes, Finley might recover, and he might resign with the Packers, but that is a matter very much in doubt.

As for the argument about the relative talent of Detroit, I acknowledge that two + decades of drafting essentially in the top 5 spots has produced a roster with some special individual talents. Calvin Johnson is transcendent. Suh can be a beast if motivated to play, of course often he is not. Fairley is a load. The Q.B., in spite of an irregular delivery and a propensity to wear his hat backward, showing he still is a child, has shown guts in playing while injured, and clearly is immensely talented. Detroit has every reason to think they can finish ahead of the Vikings.

Oof. Damning with faint praise here.

 

[sho nuff]

How good does he have to be to beat bush?

At just CB...not a ton. Bush is not great, but is ok in the slot/dime situations and puts himself in the right position to make plays at times and has a ton of knowledge. Still, he is a below average corner. That said...kid better be a whiz on special teams to beat Bush out of a job.

I think it would be more likely that if he performs well, he would have a shot to beat out House.

Though, House typically has a strong camp and decent preseason before disappearing in the regular season.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

In the past few years the Packers receiving corps has seen Driver, Jennings, and Jones leave, and has seen Finley injured to the point he is likely done as well. It should come as no surprise, then, that they spent some draft capital on receivers. We are talking about a dream receiving corps for most teams gone in little over two years. Yes, Finley might recover, and he might resign with the Packers, but that is a matter very much in doubt.

As for the argument about the relative talent of Detroit, I acknowledge that two + decades of drafting essentially in the top 5 spots has produced a roster with some special individual talents. Calvin Johnson is transcendent. Suh can be a beast if motivated to play, of course often he is not. Fairley is a load. The Q.B., in spite of an irregular delivery and a propensity to wear his hat backward, showing he still is a child, has shown guts in playing while injured, and clearly is immensely talented. Detroit has every reason to think they can finish ahead of the Vikings.

Oof. Damning with faint praise here.

Actually, that was pretty funny.

 

[Sabertooth]

Bush helped win the Super Bowl by being in the wrong position at the right time and making the play. I love watching that pick when Heath Miller is running uncovered 15 yards further downfield. He must have been so pissed at Big Ben.

 

[cstu]

Back to the Packers

Was anyone else surprised by the number of WR chosen? I mean BPA sure, but with the holes in the Packers dline, lb, safety, your telling me there was no better choices?

I wasn't totally.

Probably more that they are not sold on the PS guys from last year...plus the worry that they could lose Nelson or Cobb to FA.

Id guess barring injury they keep 5 WRs on the active roster...Cobb, Nelson, Boykin, Adams, and Abby and stash Janis on the PS.

Nelson, Cobb and Boykin are free agents next year and it's unlikely they can re-sign all three. Ideally they would re-sign Nelson and Cobb and have Adams replace Boykin. However, you never know what could happen in negotiations so they saw value at WR in the 2nd and took it.

Abbrederis is a potential kick returner and Janis is a freak athlete flyer like Charles Johnson last year.

 

[sho nuff]

But Boykin will be a restricted free agent i think.

 

[cstu]

But Boykin will be a restricted free agent i think.

Yes, I forgot about that.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

I really don't believe Boykin is going to command a lot of money next season, restricted or not. He doesn't have James Jones-like skills, and after this season's draft, most teams that needed WRs got them. I'm not a huge fan of his anyway, but he's very retainable if these new rookies can't step up-- even after Cobb/Nelson are re-signed.

 

[Faust]

@nfldraftscout

Per @RobDemovsky's tweet, Colt Lyerla is at the Packers' rookie orientation. Would be a great fit for him personally & athletically.

 

[werdnoynek]

To add to the above post, via Collegefootball 24/7 on twitter:

Mike McCarthy on Lyerla: "He's done things in his college career, and we're fully aware of everything that every prospect has done. And with that, we felt he's earned the opportunity as a tryout player to earn a spot to go to training."

Could be huge pickup for the Packers if he get's his act together... best TE prospect in this class IMO (ignorning the baggage).

 

[smackdaddies]

To add to the above post, via Collegefootball 24/7 on twitter:

Mike McCarthy on Lyerla: "He's done things in his college career, and we're fully aware of everything that every prospect has done. And with that, we felt he's earned the opportunity as a tryout player to earn a spot to go to training."

Could be huge pickup for the Packers if he get's his act together... best TE prospect in this class IMO (ignorning the baggage).

one true screw up. Cocaine, running from the cops, drunk driving terrible home life. Probably a top 5 te skill wise (perhaps top 3), but undrafted because he is a loose cannon (read his Sandy Hook tweet). Really not the kind of player the packers bring in, but perhaps they think he might be Jolly like - repentant and recovered? His skill level must be astronomical for TT to even look at him.

 

[werdnoynek]

To add to the above post, via Collegefootball 24/7 on twitter:

Mike McCarthy on Lyerla: "He's done things in his college career, and we're fully aware of everything that every prospect has done. And with that, we felt he's earned the opportunity as a tryout player to earn a spot to go to training."

Could be huge pickup for the Packers if he get's his act together... best TE prospect in this class IMO (ignorning the baggage).

one true screw up. Cocaine, running from the cops, drunk driving terrible home life. Probably a top 5 te skill wise (perhaps top 3), but undrafted because he is a loose cannon (read his Sandy Hook tweet). Really not the kind of player the packers bring in, but perhaps they think he might be Jolly like - repentant and recovered? His skill level must be astronomical for TT to even look at him.

Right. I'm waiting with bated breath but if there was one guy to take a shot on for the Packers, he would have been my pick. If somehow, someway, he can overcome his issues he could be a real gem... my expectations of that happening are pretty low, but we'll see.

 

[Phenomena]

Back to the Packers

Was anyone else surprised by the number of WR chosen? I mean BPA sure, but with the holes in the Packers dline, lb, safety, your telling me there was no better choices?

Honestly the only position on D the Packers can make the arguement that their starters are good are the cornerbacks - Shields/Tramon/Hayward/Michah - and clearly they could stand to improve past the top three.

Fans tend to think of WRs in terms of catches. Teams think of WRs in terms of athleticism/speed. WRs are some of the most athletic players in the NFL. The lower tier of guys are used extensively as gunners and other special teams players. Vic stated it well in that WRs add overall speed and athleticism to your team, so it shouldn't be surprising if every team tries to add several WRs in the later rounds/UDFA every year. Some of those guys may never be offensive starters, but are still quality contributors on the team, and shouldn't be considered failures if they never catch many balls.

Not to mention the fact that WR was the deepest position in the draft this year, and Packers pick BPA. So it does make sense they ended up with several.

 

[sho nuff]

To add to the above post, via Collegefootball 24/7 on twitter:

Mike McCarthy on Lyerla: "He's done things in his college career, and we're fully aware of everything that every prospect has done. And with that, we felt he's earned the opportunity as a tryout player to earn a spot to go to training."

Could be huge pickup for the Packers if he get's his act together... best TE prospect in this class IMO (ignorning the baggage).

one true screw up. Cocaine, running from the cops, drunk driving terrible home life. Probably a top 5 te skill wise (perhaps top 3), but undrafted because he is a loose cannon (read his Sandy Hook tweet). Really not the kind of player the packers bring in, but perhaps they think he might be Jolly like - repentant and recovered? His skill level must be astronomical for TT to even look at him.

Would agree...seems a pretty checkered past for TT to even consider.

With Jolly they already knew the guy...not sure here.

 

[werdnoynek]

To add to the above post, via Collegefootball 24/7 on twitter:

Mike McCarthy on Lyerla: "He's done things in his college career, and we're fully aware of everything that every prospect has done. And with that, we felt he's earned the opportunity as a tryout player to earn a spot to go to training."

Could be huge pickup for the Packers if he get's his act together... best TE prospect in this class IMO (ignorning the baggage).

one true screw up. Cocaine, running from the cops, drunk driving terrible home life. Probably a top 5 te skill wise (perhaps top 3), but undrafted because he is a loose cannon (read his Sandy Hook tweet). Really not the kind of player the packers bring in, but perhaps they think he might be Jolly like - repentant and recovered? His skill level must be astronomical for TT to even look at him.

Would agree...seems a pretty checkered past for TT to even consider.

With Jolly they already knew the guy...not sure here.

What do they have to lose? It's worth checking the guy out... there is an obvious need at the position IMO.

If he somehow does get signed, I think they'd have to have an interesting contact for him where if he has any missteps, ties can be cut immediately or something of that nature.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

To add to the above post, via Collegefootball 24/7 on twitter:

Mike McCarthy on Lyerla: "He's done things in his college career, and we're fully aware of everything that every prospect has done. And with that, we felt he's earned the opportunity as a tryout player to earn a spot to go to training."

Could be huge pickup for the Packers if he get's his act together... best TE prospect in this class IMO (ignorning the baggage).

one true screw up. Cocaine, running from the cops, drunk driving terrible home life. Probably a top 5 te skill wise (perhaps top 3), but undrafted because he is a loose cannon (read his Sandy Hook tweet). Really not the kind of player the packers bring in, but perhaps they think he might be Jolly like - repentant and recovered? His skill level must be astronomical for TT to even look at him.

Would agree...seems a pretty checkered past for TT to even consider.

With Jolly they already knew the guy...not sure here.

What do they have to lose? It's worth checking the guy out... there is an obvious need at the position IMO.

If he somehow does get signed, I think they'd have to have an interesting contact for him where if he has any missteps, ties can be cut immediately or something of that nature.

Last thing the Packers need is (another) distraction at the TE position. Sometimes potential skill isn't worth the risk. This is one of those times.

 

[werdnoynek]

To add to the above post, via Collegefootball 24/7 on twitter:

Mike McCarthy on Lyerla: "He's done things in his college career, and we're fully aware of everything that every prospect has done. And with that, we felt he's earned the opportunity as a tryout player to earn a spot to go to training."

Could be huge pickup for the Packers if he get's his act together... best TE prospect in this class IMO (ignorning the baggage).

one true screw up. Cocaine, running from the cops, drunk driving terrible home life. Probably a top 5 te skill wise (perhaps top 3), but undrafted because he is a loose cannon (read his Sandy Hook tweet). Really not the kind of player the packers bring in, but perhaps they think he might be Jolly like - repentant and recovered? His skill level must be astronomical for TT to even look at him.

Would agree...seems a pretty checkered past for TT to even consider.

With Jolly they already knew the guy...not sure here.

What do they have to lose? It's worth checking the guy out... there is an obvious need at the position IMO.

If he somehow does get signed, I think they'd have to have an interesting contact for him where if he has any missteps, ties can be cut immediately or something of that nature.

Last thing the Packers need is (another) distraction at the TE position. Sometimes potential skill isn't worth the risk. This is one of those times.

What is the risk? He's there as a tryout.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

To add to the above post, via Collegefootball 24/7 on twitter:

Mike McCarthy on Lyerla: "He's done things in his college career, and we're fully aware of everything that every prospect has done. And with that, we felt he's earned the opportunity as a tryout player to earn a spot to go to training."

Could be huge pickup for the Packers if he get's his act together... best TE prospect in this class IMO (ignorning the baggage).

one true screw up. Cocaine, running from the cops, drunk driving terrible home life. Probably a top 5 te skill wise (perhaps top 3), but undrafted because he is a loose cannon (read his Sandy Hook tweet). Really not the kind of player the packers bring in, but perhaps they think he might be Jolly like - repentant and recovered? His skill level must be astronomical for TT to even look at him.

Would agree...seems a pretty checkered past for TT to even consider.

With Jolly they already knew the guy...not sure here.

What do they have to lose? It's worth checking the guy out... there is an obvious need at the position IMO.

If he somehow does get signed, I think they'd have to have an interesting contact for him where if he has any missteps, ties can be cut immediately or something of that nature.

Last thing the Packers need is (another) distraction at the TE position. Sometimes potential skill isn't worth the risk. This is one of those times.

What is the risk? He's there as a tryout.

Nothing, yet. But he's obviously a consideration, or he wouldn't be trying out.

 

[sho nuff]

Not sure how this would be a "distraction" if he did make the team.

Its not like he is out talking about how great he is...was Jolly a distraction when he was brought back?

 

[Balco]

Guy seems like a complete head case. His tweet on Sandy Hook was pretty disturbing.

Does anyone know if he explained his tweet and/or apologized?

With that said, looks like Packers fully researched him. If he screws up, he is gone at no cost.

 

[sho nuff]

Guy seems like a complete head case. His tweet on Sandy Hook was pretty disturbing.

Does anyone know if he explained his tweet and/or apologized?

With that said, looks like Packers fully researched him. If he screws up, he is gone at no cost.

Agreed...he has some major issues and red flags which surprised me that they even looked at him no matter the lack of real risk in it.

The whole "Packer People" narrative they like to play out.

Also agree...its a tryout and a low cost one as the guy knows he has so very few options.

And the Packers have the leverage in the ease of getting rid of him with little to no real cost.

 

[cstu]

Guy seems like a complete head case. His tweet on Sandy Hook was pretty disturbing.

Does anyone know if he explained his tweet and/or apologized?

With that said, looks like Packers fully researched him. If he screws up, he is gone at no cost.

I can't believe the Packers of all teams would bring this loser in. He's unlikely to make the team and even if he does he's a bad influence on the rest of the players.

Edit: Regarding the bold, cocaine is a helluva drug.

 

[Phenomena]

Everyone deserves a second chance (and sometimes third, fourth, whatever). People can change their lives around. He's a beast talent.

Personally, I think the Packers could use a little more junkyard dog mentality. I'd love it if this guy took some cheap shots in practice. I like players that have an edge. Reminds me of how Coughlin will fine his players for anything just to get them pissed off. He docks them $50 for wearing their shirts not tucked in properly (yes, he does that). Coughlin loved to say that he doesn't want his players walking around with smiles on their faces.

Good luck to this guy... he could help the team in more ways than one, even if he doesn't make the final roster.

 

[smackdaddies]

Pack signed three camp try out players -

Tight end Colt Lyerla was among four players signed Monday by the Green Bay Packers. and undrafted free agents Luther Robinson, a defensive end from Miami, and Charles Clay, a safety from Hawaii.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Are you Packer fans ecstatic about Davante or what?!! As a Bear fan, I'm jealous and as a Davante fan, I'm curious about fan sentiment on him being picked in the 2nd.

 

[Biabreakable]

Jordy is not in it for the money. He gave the Pack a hometown discount the last time and knows his production is tied to Rodgers.

This is Jordy's last shot at a big money contract. He played out his very below market contract. He is going to the highest bidder. And I don't blame him. I just don't think it will be the Packers.

He will sign with the Pack

I found this link when I was reading about his contract situation. It doesn't appear money is the most important thing to him.

Now, 10 months after signing a contract extension, it can be argued that Nelson is underpaid, and the Packers got themselves an incredible steal.

The thing is, you'll never hear Nelson say that.

"I don't think anyone's worth $12 million to play football if you ask me," said the 27-year-old Nelson, who's beginning his fifth season. "It doesn't bother me. Obviously, you can sit there and look at it and wonder if I signed too early or whatever, but I'm fine.

"I've got bigger issues than looking for more money."

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I have been wondering about this.

Adams seems like a perfect replacement for Jones.

To me it makes sense that they would re-sign both Nelson and Cobb. But if they were only going to re-sign one of them, they would likely look to sign the younger guy based on them letting Jennings and Jones leave recently, but maybe not.

I think Nelson is still important because of his height. If he isn't re-signed and Cobb is then Janis would offer that size but does not seem as good as Abbrederis. So who do you think would take over for Nelson if they do let him walk?

If they let Cobb go then Abbrederis could take over the slot role. The 3 WR they got provide great depth flexibility with their contract decisions.

 

[sho nuff]

Jordy is not in it for the money. He gave the Pack a hometown discount the last time and knows his production is tied to Rodgers.

This is Jordy's last shot at a big money contract. He played out his very below market contract. He is going to the highest bidder. And I don't blame him. I just don't think it will be the Packers.

He will sign with the Pack

I found this link when I was reading about his contract situation. It doesn't appear money is the most important thing to him.

Now, 10 months after signing a contract extension, it can be argued that Nelson is underpaid, and the Packers got themselves an incredible steal.

The thing is, you'll never hear Nelson say that.

"I don't think anyone's worth $12 million to play football if you ask me," said the 27-year-old Nelson, who's beginning his fifth season. "It doesn't bother me. Obviously, you can sit there and look at it and wonder if I signed too early or whatever, but I'm fine.

"I've got bigger issues than looking for more money."

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I have been wondering about this.

Adams seems like a perfect replacement for Jones.

To me it makes sense that they would re-sign both Nelson and Cobb. But if they were only going to re-sign one of them, they would likely look to sign the younger guy based on them letting Jennings and Jones leave recently, but maybe not.

I think Nelson is still important because of his height. If he isn't re-signed and Cobb is then Janis would offer that size but does not seem as good as Abbrederis. So who do you think would take over for Nelson if they do let him walk?

If they let Cobb go then Abbrederis could take over the slot role. The 3 WR they got provide great depth flexibility with their contract decisions.

Not sure all what they will do.

But what you say makes the great point that they looked to give themselves flexibility and prepare for possibly losing one of them next year.

 

[Phenomena]

I have been wondering about this.

Adams seems like a perfect replacement for Jones.

To me it makes sense that they would re-sign both Nelson and Cobb. But if they were only going to re-sign one of them, they would likely look to sign the younger guy based on them letting Jennings and Jones leave recently, but maybe not.

I think Nelson is still important because of his height. If he isn't re-signed and Cobb is then Janis would offer that size but does not seem as good as Abbrederis. So who do you think would take over for Nelson if they do let him walk?

If they let Cobb go then Abbrederis could take over the slot role. The 3 WR they got provide great depth flexibility with their contract decisions.

Not sure all what they will do.

But what you say makes the great point that they looked to give themselves flexibility and prepare for possibly losing one of them next year.

They are not letting Nelson or Cobb walk. Especially not to let Abberderis take over a starting position. Per the Packers beat writers, Cobb has the skillset and talent to make him one of the greatest franchise players in history. He's barely scratched the surface of his production potential. His first two years he was behind Jennings, Nelson, and Jones, all great WRs, and was relegated to occasional slot duty and special teams work. Even with all those great weapons in 2012, he still had 80/952. Last year, facing three tough DEF in the first five games, he was still on pace for a 92/1200/7 line prior to getting hurt. I have a feeling Cobb is going to be a featured player this year, with defenses focusing on preventing the big play (Nelson) and having the ball pounded down their throat by Lacy. This could be a 100-catch year for him. This offense is going to be insane. It's the best offense Green Bay has ever had.

Stop thinking about WRs in terms of catches. Teams draft WRs for their athleticism/speed. They are fantastic special teams players. Both Nelson and Cobb are star players in the NFL. You don't let star players walk in favor of 5th+ round unproven picks.

 

[sho nuff]

I have been wondering about this.

Adams seems like a perfect replacement for Jones.

To me it makes sense that they would re-sign both Nelson and Cobb. But if they were only going to re-sign one of them, they would likely look to sign the younger guy based on them letting Jennings and Jones leave recently, but maybe not.

I think Nelson is still important because of his height. If he isn't re-signed and Cobb is then Janis would offer that size but does not seem as good as Abbrederis. So who do you think would take over for Nelson if they do let him walk?

If they let Cobb go then Abbrederis could take over the slot role. The 3 WR they got provide great depth flexibility with their contract decisions.

Not sure all what they will do.

But what you say makes the great point that they looked to give themselves flexibility and prepare for possibly losing one of them next year.

They are not letting Nelson or Cobb walk. Especially not to let Abberderis take over a starting position. Per the Packers beat writers, Cobb has the skillset and talent to make him one of the greatest franchise players in history. He's barely scratched the surface of his production potential. His first two years he was behind Jennings, Nelson, and Jones, all great WRs, and was relegated to occasional slot duty and special teams work. Even with all those great weapons in 2012, he still had 80/952. Last year, facing three tough DEF in the first five games, he was still on pace for a 92/1200/7 line prior to getting hurt. I have a feeling Cobb is going to be a featured player this year, with defenses focusing on preventing the big play (Nelson) and having the ball pounded down their throat by Lacy. This could be a 100-catch year for him. This offense is going to be insane. It's the best offense Green Bay has ever had.

Stop thinking about WRs in terms of catches. Teams draft WRs for their athleticism/speed. They are fantastic special teams players. Both Nelson and Cobb are star players in the NFL. You don't let star players walk in favor of 5th+ round unproven picks.

Im saying they are covering their bases all over the place in case one does happen to go.

It won't necessarily be from a lack of effort trying to retain them.

But if...and its a big if as I think they will lock Cobb up before the season...but if they let one of them get to FA, TT sets a price for a guy and if someone else is going to go higher, he won't necessarily have a chance to up his offer.

Likely this would be with Nelson. Its nice he doesn't sound like he is interested in just breaking the bank, but money does talk. And being older won't help him in the yes of a GM who has nearly always let older players walk.

Then look at the contract situation for the team beyond just Cobb and Nelson

-Bulaga, free agent next year. If he stays healthy, he will get paid somewhere.

-Boykin, restricted free agent. Shouldn't garner huge $$$ from what we have seen so far. But that can change some. Probably more likely they try to keep Nelson and Cobb and let him go...but have the chance with his restricted status to keep him easier and obviously cheaper.

-Jarrett Bush...gone after next year. Don't see them continuing on this train. IF any of the rookies shows they can overtake him in ST, he won't make it out of camp this year.

-Guion, House, Kuhn, Raji, Sherrod, Tolzien, Tramon Williams, and Flynn...2015 free agents. So there will be a signing to one of the QBs, or new QBs brought in next year. A remake at CB with two of them here and I don't see Tramon getting anything. House would still come cheap and is not a big deal. Guion and Kuhn likely out unless Guion looks like he is worth anything. Even then, TT may not offer what someone else might. And then there is Raji. move back to NT could help him and have him get paid somewhere too.

-Daniels, Hawk, Hayward, Brad Jones, Starks, Worthy, Neal, Perry, and Crosby...2016 free agents Of those, Daniels and Hayward are in line to make a nice paycheck and probably before they are into FA if they continue on their path of solid play (Hayward more if he gets back to his rookie year and plays without injury). Worthy and Perry obviously can get paid if they tap into the potential that made them high picks. That is both starting ILBs and their kicker in there.

So they are looking at replacing that somewhere or spending money to replace or resign.

Its not just about liking Nelson and Cobb. Its about looking at the whole team and where the contracts are.

 

[Touchdown There]

Sho nuff - I know your feelings on Cobb and you are welcome to your opinion, but Jordy Nelson is the #1 in Green Bay. He has consistently produced and stayed healthy. Cobb will not be shown the money until he puts a solid year of production in the books. Cobbs market price will take a HUGE dive if he is injured this year and there are good young WRs waiting to show what they can do with Rodgers. If anyone gets an extension before September, it will be the consistently underrated white WR.

 

[Biabreakable]

Janis seems like a player who might not be a safe stash on a practice squad and could be good on ST. Maybe even try him out at gunner?

It seems like there are more options than roster spots.

 

[sho nuff]

Sho nuff - I know your feelings on Cobb and you are welcome to your opinion, but Jordy Nelson is the #1 in Green Bay. He has consistently produced and stayed healthy. Cobb will not be shown the money until he puts a solid year of production in the books. Cobbs market price will take a HUGE dive if he is injured this year and there are good young WRs waiting to show what they can do with Rodgers. If anyone gets an extension before September, it will be the consistently underrated white WR.

Jordy is about to be 29, will be about to be 30 next year when he may be negotiating a contract.

I love the guy and think he is a great WR. I also know Thompson's tendency to not pay top dollar to guys he considers likely to be on the downside of their career. He has also had injuries pop up himself over the past 3 years (was fine last year).

As for Cobb, sure his market price will take a huge dive if he is hurt again. I think they don't let him get to there...because his value also has more potential to make a huge leap with a very good year. A leap I don't know that they can afford to pay in the long run. He seems more like a guy TT would try to lock up now and get his potential signed to a more friendly deal to the team than it would if they wait.

The reason I think they lock up Cobb first is because of that. His value will likely jump higher than Nelson's with a good year. Nelson's value is probably pretty set and not as likely to increase or decrease barring a crazy crazy good year.

 

[sho nuff]

Janis seems like a player who might not be a safe stash on a practice squad and could be good on ST. Maybe even try him out at gunner?

It seems like there are more options than roster spots.

Its possible. But Janis is still pretty raw and could be stashed. Now, they would be in trouble if they only intend on keeping 5 and they are rolling with Cobb, Nelson, Boykin, Adams and Abbrederis. Would they give up on Boykin to keep a more unknown but talented kid...or make the sacrifice somewhere else to keep 6 on the roster?

Will definitely be interesting. And they have some other guys they have stashed before that they have liked in the past and have some talent too.

 

[Touchdown There]

Sho nuff - I know your feelings on Cobb and you are welcome to your opinion, but Jordy Nelson is the #1 in Green Bay. He has consistently produced and stayed healthy. Cobb will not be shown the money until he puts a solid year of production in the books. Cobbs market price will take a HUGE dive if he is injured this year and there are good young WRs waiting to show what they can do with Rodgers. If anyone gets an extension before September, it will be the consistently underrated white WR.

Jordy is about to be 29, will be about to be 30 next year when he may be negotiating a contract.

I love the guy and think he is a great WR. I also know Thompson's tendency to not pay top dollar to guys he considers likely to be on the downside of their career. He has also had injuries pop up himself over the past 3 years (was fine last year).

As for Cobb, sure his market price will take a huge dive if he is hurt again. I think they don't let him get to there...because his value also has more potential to make a huge leap with a very good year. A leap I don't know that they can afford to pay in the long run. He seems more like a guy TT would try to lock up now and get his potential signed to a more friendly deal to the team than it would if they wait.

The reason I think they lock up Cobb first is because of that. His value will likely jump higher than Nelson's with a good year. Nelson's value is probably pretty set and not as likely to increase or decrease barring a crazy crazy good year.

Was his value likely to jump higher last year? Did it jump higher? Did you think it would jump higher?

 

[smackdaddies]

I think they are more likely to keep both than neither (Cobb and nelson) and more likely Cobb than nelson if just one

 

[sho nuff]

Sho nuff - I know your feelings on Cobb and you are welcome to your opinion, but Jordy Nelson is the #1 in Green Bay. He has consistently produced and stayed healthy. Cobb will not be shown the money until he puts a solid year of production in the books. Cobbs market price will take a HUGE dive if he is injured this year and there are good young WRs waiting to show what they can do with Rodgers. If anyone gets an extension before September, it will be the consistently underrated white WR.

Jordy is about to be 29, will be about to be 30 next year when he may be negotiating a contract.

I love the guy and think he is a great WR. I also know Thompson's tendency to not pay top dollar to guys he considers likely to be on the downside of their career. He has also had injuries pop up himself over the past 3 years (was fine last year).

As for Cobb, sure his market price will take a huge dive if he is hurt again. I think they don't let him get to there...because his value also has more potential to make a huge leap with a very good year. A leap I don't know that they can afford to pay in the long run. He seems more like a guy TT would try to lock up now and get his potential signed to a more friendly deal to the team than it would if they wait.

The reason I think they lock up Cobb first is because of that. His value will likely jump higher than Nelson's with a good year. Nelson's value is probably pretty set and not as likely to increase or decrease barring a crazy crazy good year.

Was his value likely to jump higher last year? Did it jump higher? Did you think it would jump higher?

Last year, it "jumped" from the standpoint that he played all year and got over his injuries from 2012.

But $ wise...unless he comes out gangbusters with the TDs from 2011, and more receptions than last year, I don't see his $ value raising all that much.

I think teams and the Packers know where they have him valued.

Cobb, on the other hand, if he comes out healthy all year and turns into what most think he can be...his $ value will skyrocket.

 

[lod01]

I think they are more likely to keep both than neither (Cobb and nelson) and more likely Cobb than nelson if just one

I think one of them goes the Greg Jennings route and Thompson lets the one demanding more $ go unless they are close and then he would let the older WR go.

 

[Touchdown There]

Cobb, on the other hand, if he comes out healthy all year and turns into what most think he can be...his $ value will skyrocket.

Which is exactly why Cobb will not sign before the end of the season to an extension. He wants his value to skyrocket and the Packers are not willing to pay him until he actually produces. Cobb has never played a full 16 games nor has he had a 1000 yard season. This is EXACTLY why Jordy will sign before Cobb. He is consistently productive, Cobb is not and has to prove it.

 

[sho nuff]

Cobb, on the other hand, if he comes out healthy all year and turns into what most think he can be...his $ value will skyrocket.

Which is exactly why Cobb will not sign before the end of the season to an extension. He wants his value to skyrocket and the Packers are not willing to pay him until he actually produces. Cobb has never played a full 16 games nor has he had a 1000 yard season. This is EXACTLY why Jordy will sign before Cobb. He is consistently productive, Cobb is not and has to prove it.

Perhaps...then again, he is risking a ton given his own injury history and how players have overvalued themselves and come away with far less (he can look in his own locker room and ask BJ Raji about that).

Jordy may sign before Cobb. My point was about who they should try to sign first and while they have some space this year (I think they were projecting about $12mil after signing rookies...so they would have to play around some to make sure they still keep around $5mil or so on hand to cover for possible injuries during the year)

 

[CletiusMaximus]

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