***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (7 Viewers)

[rascal]

I'm a gun owner and I think some type of ban/limitation on assault rifle guns is needed. But even if we did that, I think this country has moved past that playing a role in massacres like we just saw.

There is something fundamentally wrong with this country, and a ban of assault rifles is putting a bandaid on somebody's headless corpse.

This country needs to face the epidemic situation it has with its children being exposed to violence and the horrific job we do with mental health. Not to mention the lack of caring that has become standard of so many parents with there kids.

My wife is a counselor, and couple of weeks ago she had an emergency call from a school about a 5 year old boy saying he was going to kill himself (knew how, when, where, etc so it was legit). The mom didn't even care. That is sickening.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I wish I lived in your guys' dimension where animals never attack people and violent crime doesn't exist. It must be amazing.Schlzm

We know those things happen. I freely acknowledge that I am not prepared for every scary thing that could ever happen to me and my family. I'm OK with that.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Gun safety is #1. If you don't know how to use a firearm, you have no business buying one until you learn.

I think it should be taught in school. I'm not saying kids should be made to shoot a gun. But it's something that could even be taught as part of a health curriculum.

 

[tommyboy]

Seems obvious that most of the loudest voices in this thread have little or even zero practical knowledge of guns. I find that hilarious

I find it to be completely consistent with my expectations. Those of us that aren't part of the gun culture generally view guns in a negative way.

well the other half of the country that does own a gun would sure appreciate it if the guys on your side of the discussion would at least learn the rudimentary facts of the matter here. I mean reading a Timsochet "analysis" on rates of fire is like watching a 3 year old trying to draw the Mona Lisa with an etch-a-sketch

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

OK, let's discuss it. I just googled and estimates are that there are something like 300 million firearms in the United States. What percentage of them are stolen and used in a crime each year? I'd guess that the number would be very very small but I don't know.

I have no idea either, and I'm certainly not the person to lead the discussion. But why limit it only to liability of your weapon is stolen? What about if you lend the weapon to someone, or buy it for them? Or dram shop type liability for weapons and/or ammo sold to potentially dangerous buyers regardless of the applicable requirements for background checks?

I guess I'm just not sure why you think we need to go beyond the traditional negligence standard here. If a gun store does the required background check and it comes up clean and they sell the gun, it seems totally arbitrary to punish them.

 

[jafo]

Gun safety is #1. If you don't know how to use a firearm, you have no business buying one until you learn.

I think it should be taught in school. I'm not saying kids should be made to shoot a gun. But it's something that could even be taught as part of a health curriculum.

 

[rascal]

http://imgur.com/1OJrO

 

[butcher boy]

I wish I lived in your guys' dimension where animals never attack people and violent crime doesn't exist. It must be amazing.Schlzm

We know those things happen. I freely acknowledge that I am not prepared for every scary thing that could ever happen to me and my family. I'm OK with that.

If I lived my life trying to weed out every danger possible, the first thing I'd do is throw my driver's license in the trash, never cross the street, stop microwaving my food, etc. Carrying a gun comes in at about #431 on my list.

 

[tommyboy]

Gun safety is #1. If you don't know how to use a firearm, you have no business buying one until you learn.

I think it should be taught in school. I'm not saying kids should be made to shoot a gun. But it's something that could even be taught as part of a health curriculum.

thoughts of Timschocet teaching kids gun safety"so if you look in the barrel here, you can see the rifling, here i'll show you"

 

[Joe T]

Using a strict liability standard is always unfair. We only use it in certain situations where there are justifications that override the unfairness. Does owning a gun constitute an "ultrahazardous activity"? I'm not convinced it does.

I think it's worth having a discussion about it. Also, if not strict liability, what about something similar to dram shop liability laws? At least carve out a specific type of claim allowing people to recover from owners/sellers.

OK, let's discuss it. I just googled and estimates are that there are something like 300 million firearms in the United States. What percentage of them are stolen and used in a crime each year? I'd guess that the number would be very very small but I don't know.

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[smotherhook]

Seems obvious that most of the loudest voices in this thread have little or even zero practical knowledge of guns. I find that hilarious

I find it to be completely consistent with my expectations. Those of us that aren't part of the gun culture generally view guns in a negative way.

well the other half of the country that does own a gun would sure appreciate it if the guys on your side of the discussion would at least learn the rudimentary facts of the matter here. I mean reading a Timsochet "analysis" on rates of fire is like watching a 3 year old trying to draw the Mona Lisa with an etch-a-sketch

i agree, but in tims defense, he makes arguements on this board about other issues with solid insight. this one, he needs to be a lurker.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Instead of debating, i think i'll just post this every dozen or so pgs til it reaches 1000, then give up. That will make me feel i've done my part. I sure hope y'all can get together and figure out precisely how the deck chairs should be aligned on this sinking ship.

A couple of weeks ago, i was about the only killing-machine (handguns & automatics - weapons designed to most furtively & effectively send missiles through human flesh - i dont care if single-shot weapons are ISSUED to each American household in exchange) abolitionist on this board and experience has taught me that i'll likely be the only one again in about a month's time.

It has nothing to do with the guns, actually, it has to do with our national mental health. As civilizations mechanize and populations expand, it becomes ever more difficult to feel personally powerful. The average person's comfort zone shrinks with the loss of each generally-followed rule and further nebulization of what few limits remain.

Control. Where do we find control? Gossip & reality shows that so easily convince us how much better we are than others? Groups with very distinct borders (Packerbackers, Goths, Reps & Dems, Twice-borns) where people who dont think "our" way are excluded and which hold regular celebrations of shared commonness? Passing the pain in the public flow of events to gain small personal revenges.

Or what about this? Down the street, I can lay a few Benjis on a counter and get a machine that, if i wanted to, could mow down everything in my sight. I'd never do it, of course, but I could have ABSOLUTE control in such a moment and even thinking about it squares my world a lil bit, maybe enough. Look at it - those cold, clean, gleaming lines fairly scream "answer". Lift it - out of the case, its surprising weight evokes power and promises that, loaded, it's almost too heavy for anything but immediate and perfect......justice. Y'know? If i had one in my home, i'd feel just enough control to get through my days.

That's why Glocks exist. The inexplicable availability of assault weapons are just an extension, as video games continue to prove, of how high-tolerance is fantasization.

That's why both need to go - when people who lose their tenuous hold on self-control have, right there in a shoebox on a shelf, a way to regain it REAL quick, #### happens. nufced

 

[Apple Jack]

I don't get the big push for the smaller magazine clip. This seems pretty ineffective to me.

1. It takes two seconds to switch in another clip. So, while someone in a school type situation may be slowed, it wouldn't be by much. They may also just carry more weapons.

2. I'm no master welder, but it seems to me a clip would be the easiest thing to fabricate myself if I wanted to hold more rounds. It's basically a metal case and a spring with a feeder at the top. You could slice off the bottom, add an extend piece and a bigger spring and you'd be ready to go I think.

Or is this whole thing just to get the ball rolling for greater restrictions when it inevitably fails?

Yes, we know. But that brief moment might give some people a chance to keep more six year olds from being executed. But forget that, there's a guy in Texas who thinks he needs the 30 bullet cartridge to defend his compound, so sorry six year old kid who never had a chance.And you think this kid would have gotten into welding custom clips for this gun? Please.

For the record, high capacity magazines are very unreliable and the majority of cases where you hear of a weapon "jamming" during a shooting spree is a result of this lack of reliable function. One could almost argue (with tongue at least partially in cheek) that high capacity magazines may have saved more lives than they've taken as a result of their buggy operation. Standard capacity magazines (which can be changed in less than 1 second by anyone with 30 minutes to practice), however, will almost never result in a spree-ending malfunction.

I'm not opposed to eliminating high-capacity mags... but that is some food for thought for any rational person.

But again.. making high-capacity magazines illegal will have little or no impact in stopping a motivated, law-ignoring person from procuring them, so you're really only keeping them out of the hands of law-abiding citizens for the most part.

Let's just cross our fingers and hope that a 30 round clip jams.

Scary item #173 of this conversation: this is the best argument they have come up with.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Gun safety is #1. If you don't know how to use a firearm, you have no business buying one until you learn.

I think it should be taught in school. I'm not saying kids should be made to shoot a gun. But it's something that could even be taught as part of a health curriculum.

I think I actually do remember some sort of gun safety lecture in school. Like, "if you're at a friend's house and you see a gun, don't touch it." Or are you thinking of something more?

 

[Apple Jack]

I wish I lived in your guys' dimension where animals never attack people and violent crime doesn't exist. It must be amazing.Schlzm

We know those things happen. I freely acknowledge that I am not prepared for every scary thing that could ever happen to me and my family. I'm OK with that.

If I lived my life trying to weed out every danger possible, the first thing I'd do is throw my driver's license in the trash, never cross the street, stop microwaving my food, etc. Carrying a gun comes in at about #431 on my list.

Obviously, you don't realize how likely it is that you will be mauled by T-Rex while riding the subway or that your home will be invaded by Somali warlords. Keep that head in the sand, lib.

 

[timschochet]

As for your earlier reply, I believe I asked you a question while providing examples answering your question. If you were attacked by three pitbulls how do you intend to defend yourself? Schlzm

If 3 pit bulls attack me, I will die.

 

[ATC1]

Gun safety is #1. If you don't know how to use a firearm, you have no business buying one until you learn.

I think it should be taught in school. I'm not saying kids should be made to shoot a gun. But it's something that could even be taught as part of a health curriculum.

Maybe an active shooter situation or safety if you see one, but you will certainly meet a lot of resistance if you discuss how to shoot a weapon. My thought is the first gun free zone to clear would be a university. Have a class available to those over the age of 21 where the end result would be to get your concealed carry permit. The students will learn about state laws, safety, self defense, back ground and psychological profile checks.

 

[General Malaise]

Seems obvious that most of the loudest voices in this thread have little or even zero practical knowledge of guns. I find that hilarious

Seems to me that's the case with lots of things. The prohibition of drugs is championed by people that have never tried them. The prohibition of online gambling is backed by people that have probably never made a wager in their life. I don't think there is anything "hilarious" at all about this discussion or the roots of why it's being discussed. Kids are dead because a man with mental instability had access to the type of gun I don't think you can make a cogent argument for owning using bullets I seriously doubt you can justify for private use. Those of us who are loudly asking for change don't need to have practical knowledge of these types of guns to speak out against them. Glad you find that funny. I don't think any of this is funny at all.

 

[RCon]

Yes, but you realize that most teachers are not gun nuts right? Some of them are sweet, little old ladies who have neither the desire nor the physical capabilities that might be needed to carry and use a firearm.

The simple, common sense solution is obviously to require all public school teachers to spend five years in a monastary in the far east being trainined in the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart technique. Well, either that or ban high-capacity magazines, but really the magazine thing is too complicated to be worthwhile.

I'm led to believe, based on info provided in this thread, that banning the magazines won't work because some of the crazy shooters are bad ### FBG types who can fire 100 rounds a second, change clips in the blink of an eye, and weld extra magazines onto their firearms.

Considering a few pages ago you couldn't articulate the differences between a semi-automatic and a fully automatic weapon I'm not so sure you are in a position to poke fun at people about their gun knowledge.

What I wrote is that the difference, in terms of rate of fire, seems negligible. As it turns out, it's more negligible than I supposed, which is why I may have changed my position on whether some of these semi-automatic weapons should be legal.

I'd suggest that the term "semi-automatic" is virtually meaningless. Strictly speaking, a six shot pistol from the 1800s is a semi-automatic.

 

[Ranethe]

Gun safety is #1. If you don't know how to use a firearm, you have no business buying one until you learn.

I think it should be taught in school. I'm not saying kids should be made to shoot a gun. But it's something that could even be taught as part of a health curriculum.

that way they will be prepared later in life for the inevitable rabid raccoon/pit bull pack attacks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think I actually do remember some sort of gun safety lecture in school. Like, "if you're at a friend's house and you see a gun, don't touch it." Or are you thinking of something more?

Something like that is a good start.Perhaps demonstrating how dangerous and lethal they really are. Show what happens when a bullet goes through an animal carcass or milk jug or something.

Explain what a safety is and why you never, ever want to point a gun at someone because of what could happen.

Always assume a gun is loaded.

Stuff like that.

 

[General Malaise]

Gun safety is #1. If you don't know how to use a firearm, you have no business buying one until you learn.

I think it should be taught in school. I'm not saying kids should be made to shoot a gun. But it's something that could even be taught as part of a health curriculum.

I think I actually do remember some sort of gun safety lecture in school. Like, "if you're at a friend's house and you see a gun, don't touch it." Or are you thinking of something more?

I thought that was pornography?

 

[rascal]

Another thing, we move the camera away when a drunk gets on the field. We won't show somebody flipping somebody off. But we will show this idiots picture all day encouraging the next maniac. Brilliant.

 

[General Malaise]

I think I actually do remember some sort of gun safety lecture in school. Like, "if you're at a friend's house and you see a gun, don't touch it." Or are you thinking of something more?

Something like that is a good start.Perhaps demonstrating how dangerous and lethal they really are. Show what happens when a bullet goes through an animal carcass or milk jug or something.

Explain what a safety is and why you never, ever want to point a gun at someone because of what could happen.

Always assume a gun is loaded.

Stuff like that.

Ummm, if you take a bunch of 8-12 year old boys and show them what it looks like to fire a gun into a milk jug, more than a few of them aren't going to be scared away....they are going to want to fire one immediately. "Watch how cool this is!"

"Now, you must NEVER play with one".

That should work.

 

[Schlzm]

I wish I lived in your guys' dimension where animals never attack people and violent crime doesn't exist. It must be amazing.Schlzm

We know those things happen. I freely acknowledge that I am not prepared for every scary thing that could ever happen to me and my family. I'm OK with that.

You are reasonable. Some others are not and simply cannot imagine a reality outside the little bubble they seem to have created for themselves, both sides of the debate. As was mentioned a few posts above, people purchase firearms for personal defense based on their immediate environment such as several home invasions in the area. I don't have a CCL and don't even open carry during my normal daily routine. I can't bring a weapon with me to work but I do keep a can of bear mace in my bag because I live in an area where there happen to also be bears and other potentially aggressive animals. I do keep a small .22 pistol with me when I take the dog for a walk or go hiking etc..., just in case. And I know this must come as some kind of crazy shock to everyone here but I have managed to not shoot myself or anyone else so far even though I have a pistol capable of accurately firing a round in less than a second!Schlzm

 

[tom22406]

Another thing, we move the camera away when a drunk gets on the field. We won't show somebody flipping somebody off. But we will show this idiots picture all day encouraging the next maniac. Brilliant.

Yeah I started a thread on just that but nobody really seems to care or they completely love the way our media reports on them.Baffling to say the least.

 

[smotherhook]

I wish I lived in your guys' dimension where animals never attack people and violent crime doesn't exist. It must be amazing.Schlzm

We know those things happen. I freely acknowledge that I am not prepared for every scary thing that could ever happen to me and my family. I'm OK with that.

You are reasonable. Some others are not and simply cannot imagine a reality outside the little bubble they seem to have created for themselves, both sides of the debate. As was mentioned a few posts above, people purchase firearms for personal defense based on their immediate environment such as several home invasions in the area. I don't have a CCL and don't even open carry during my normal daily routine. I can't bring a weapon with me to work but I do keep a can of bear mace in my bag because I live in an area where there happen to also be bears and other potentially aggressive animals. I do keep a small .22 pistol with me when I take the dog for a walk or go hiking etc..., just in case. And I know this must come as some kind of crazy shock to everyone here but I have managed to not shoot myself or anyone else so far even though I have a pistol capable of accurately firing a round in less than a second!Schlzm

for the record, how many guns do you own?

 

[Schlzm]

As for your earlier reply, I believe I asked you a question while providing examples answering your question. If you were attacked by three pitbulls how do you intend to defend yourself? Schlzm

If 3 pit bulls attack me, I will die.

That sucks. I'd miss debating with you.Schlzm

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think I actually do remember some sort of gun safety lecture in school. Like, "if you're at a friend's house and you see a gun, don't touch it." Or are you thinking of something more?

Something like that is a good start.Perhaps demonstrating how dangerous and lethal they really are. Show what happens when a bullet goes through an animal carcass or milk jug or something.

Explain what a safety is and why you never, ever want to point a gun at someone because of what could happen.

Always assume a gun is loaded.

Stuff like that.

Ummm, if you take a bunch of 8-12 year old boys and show them what it looks like to fire a gun into a milk jug, more than a few of them aren't going to be scared away....they are going to want to fire one immediately. "Watch how cool this is!"

"Now, you must NEVER play with one".

That should work.

Well, I haven't fully developed the curriculum yet, Chief.

 

[rascal]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.

If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

 

[smotherhook]

As for your earlier reply, I believe I asked you a question while providing examples answering your question. If you were attacked by three pitbulls how do you intend to defend yourself? Schlzm

If 3 pit bulls attack me, I will die.

if three pitbulls attack you and i am around, there will be three dead pitbulls.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

As for your earlier reply, I believe I asked you a question while providing examples answering your question. If you were attacked by three pitbulls how do you intend to defend yourself? Schlzm

If 3 pit bulls attack me, I will die.

if three pitbulls attack you and i am around, there will be three dead pitbulls.

I just saved that pitbull from drowning!

 

[culdeus]

I for one make sure I prep for pitbulls each time I go get the paper. Tec-9 on a sling with a benelli super nova and a SOCOM .308 with red-dot. You can't be too safe.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I wish I lived in your guys' dimension where animals never attack people and violent crime doesn't exist. It must be amazing.Schlzm

We know those things happen. I freely acknowledge that I am not prepared for every scary thing that could ever happen to me and my family. I'm OK with that.

You are reasonable. Some others are not and simply cannot imagine a reality outside the little bubble they seem to have created for themselves, both sides of the debate. As was mentioned a few posts above, people purchase firearms for personal defense based on their immediate environment such as several home invasions in the area. I don't have a CCL and don't even open carry during my normal daily routine. I can't bring a weapon with me to work but I do keep a can of bear mace in my bag because I live in an area where there happen to also be bears and other potentially aggressive animals. I do keep a small .22 pistol with me when I take the dog for a walk or go hiking etc..., just in case. And I know this must come as some kind of crazy shock to everyone here but I have managed to not shoot myself or anyone else so far even though I have a pistol capable of accurately firing a round in less than a second!Schlzm

for the record, how many guns do you own?

Yeah, let's get this on the record. #lickspencil

 

[smotherhook]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

 

[culdeus]

Another thing, we move the camera away when a drunk gets on the field. We won't show somebody flipping somebody off. But we will show this idiots picture all day encouraging the next maniac. Brilliant.

Yeah I started a thread on just that but nobody really seems to care or they completely love the way our media reports on them.Baffling to say the least.

It seems most MSM has stopped using his face/name.

 

[Mello]

Instead of debating, i think i'll just post this every dozen or so pgs til it reaches 1000, then give up. That will make me feel i've done my part. I sure hope y'all can get together and figure out precisely how the deck chairs should be aligned on this sinking ship.

A couple of weeks ago, i was about the only killing-machine (handguns & automatics - weapons designed to most furtively & effectively send missiles through human flesh - i dont care if single-shot weapons are ISSUED to each American household in exchange) abolitionist on this board and experience has taught me that i'll likely be the only one again in about a month's time.

It has nothing to do with the guns, actually, it has to do with our national mental health. As civilizations mechanize and populations expand, it becomes ever more difficult to feel personally powerful. The average person's comfort zone shrinks with the loss of each generally-followed rule and further nebulization of what few limits remain.

Control. Where do we find control? Gossip & reality shows that so easily convince us how much better we are than others? Groups with very distinct borders (Packerbackers, Goths, Reps & Dems, Twice-borns) where people who dont think "our" way are excluded and which hold regular celebrations of shared commonness? Passing the pain in the public flow of events to gain small personal revenges.

Or what about this? Down the street, I can lay a few Benjis on a counter and get a machine that, if i wanted to, could mow down everything in my sight. I'd never do it, of course, but I could have ABSOLUTE control in such a moment and even thinking about it squares my world a lil bit, maybe enough. Look at it - those cold, clean, gleaming lines fairly scream "answer". Lift it - out of the case, its surprising weight evokes power and promises that, loaded, it's almost too heavy for anything but immediate and perfect......justice. Y'know? If i had one in my home, i'd feel just enough control to get through my days.

That's why Glocks exist. The inexplicable availability of assault weapons are just an extension, as video games continue to prove, of how high-tolerance is fantasization.

That's why both need to go - when people who lose their tenuous hold on self-control have, right there in a shoebox on a shelf, a way to regain it REAL quick, #### happens. nufced

I agree with this. I just don't feel the right solution is to have the government limit everyone's ability to own a gun. It's to help the real underlying problem. We need to make it possible/preferable for most people to stay in the communities that they were raised in so there's at least a little more normalcy and support for people with these problems. But this ties back into larger economic arguments and would likely mean having to reduce our standard of living so it's not going to happen. Given that, I'll deal with these occasional tragedies rather than punish the entire population.

 

[ATC1]

As for your earlier reply, I believe I asked you a question while providing examples answering your question. If you were attacked by three pitbulls how do you intend to defend yourself?

Schlzm

If 3 pit bulls attack me, I will die.

if three pitbulls attack you and i am around, there will be three dead pitbulls.

Maybe Tim should hang around Rick Perry.

 

[smotherhook]

I for one make sure I prep for pitbulls each time I go get the paper. Tec-9 on a sling with a benelli super nova and a SOCOM .308 with red-dot. You can't be too safe.

i would say, enjoy your paper!

 

[Apple Jack]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

 

[Henry Ford]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

If the tyrannical government decides to go after you, you have no defense whether or not you have an AR. I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.

 

[snitwitch]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

How many tyrants have we overthrown with our guns since the time of bill of rights?

 

[Schlzm]

I for one make sure I prep for pitbulls each time I go get the paper. Tec-9 on a sling with a benelli super nova and a SOCOM .308 with red-dot. You can't be too safe.

i would say, enjoy your paper!

I would say he is clearly underestimating the pitbulls. Anything short of an Armsel Striker and Dillon Aero is criminally under-preparation! Schlzm

 

[rascal]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

How many tyrants have we overthrown with our guns since the time of bill of rights?

Well, this year alone we have helped to overthrow at least two/three.But that wasn't the fear I was speaking of. I fear the competence of our government, but I'm not fearful of having to rise up and have a revolution.It's a constitutional right and I don't agree with the elimination of freedoms. AR being one I am willing to agree with, simply because their sole purpose is killing.

 

[smotherhook]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

see iraq, nazi germany, russia,...........look at your history book giggle box

 

[jafo]

I think I actually do remember some sort of gun safety lecture in school. Like, "if you're at a friend's house and you see a gun, don't touch it." Or are you thinking of something more?

Something like that is a good start.Perhaps demonstrating how dangerous and lethal they really are. Show what happens when a bullet goes through an animal carcass or milk jug or something.

Explain what a safety is and why you never, ever want to point a gun at someone because of what could happen.

Always assume a gun is loaded.

Stuff like that.

Ummm, if you take a bunch of 8-12 year old boys and show them what it looks like to fire a gun into a milk jug, more than a few of them aren't going to be scared away....they are going to want to fire one immediately. "Watch how cool this is!"

"Now, you must NEVER play with one".

That should work.

I was about 8 or 9 when my father took me out in the backyard and demonstrated what his .38 revolver would do. It was so loud, and clearly dangerous enough from that one example that I never wanted to play with guns as a kid. It does work.

 

[timschochet]

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

As NRA publications always point out, the first thing that Stalin, Hitler, and Mao did when taking power is seizing everyone's guns.Which would be a great point if it weren't for the fact that it's a complete lie- never happened.

 

[jafo]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

How many tyrants have we overthrown with our guns since the time of bill of rights?

We've never had any tyrants because of our 2nd amendment right.

 

[Mello]

One thing I do fear as a gun owner, is that once you take away AR the next move will be to take away shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc.If I fear it, and I support an AR ban, just imagine what NRA and other diehards think.

a disarmed country has no defense against the tyranny of govt.

How many tyrants have we overthrown with our guns since the time of bill of rights?

We've never had any tyrants because of our 2nd amendment right.

I'm on your side and this is a losing argument. I can point out many countries without that right that have been tyrant free for a long time.

 

[timschochet]

see iraq, nazi germany, russia,...........look at your history book giggle box

Yes, I do see. More falsehoods. In not one of these cases were guns seized (well, that's not entirely correct. In the case of Iraq and Nazi Germany, American occupiers seized all weapons from the local inhabitants.)