***OFFICIAL GUN CONTROL DEBATE*** (1 Viewer)

[Zegras11]

Love how Obama uses 90% of Americans favor this and didn't use 65% didn't favor Obamacare when it went down.

 

[Rayderr]

Tdoss notes on Obama's speech:

 

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Senate rejects expanded gun background check.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/senate-rejects-expanded-gun-background-checks

Awesome.

 

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Tdoss notes on Obama's speech:

YEP

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

 

[Rayderr]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I wanted the bill to pass, but the way they went about it was just abysmal and it deserved to fail.

 

[mr roboto]

Congress just got lectured by dad.

 

[KingPrawn]

Congress just got lectured by dad.

Too bad he didn't show that much emotion when he held his press conference regarding the Boston Marathon bombing.

 

[Raider Nation]

Holy crap was he pissed.

 

[ichris]

I don't mean to gloat, but I'm here to gloat.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I don't get it. Why did it fail? Don't we have to pass it first to find out what's in it?

 

[njherdfan]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

 

[timschochet]

The paranoid gun nuts win! Hooray for America! At least for another day, we have kept the black helicopters away.

 

[timschochet]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

There's your problem.

 

[Daywalker]

McCain voted for it right?

 

[MaxThreshold]

The paranoid gun nuts win! Hooray for America! At least for another day, we have kept the black helicopters away.

 

[timschochet]

I love how many of the same people that are against expand background checks because it inconveniences law abiding citizens and their constitutional rights are also against gay marriage.

Yep. And they also would like to see all the illegals rounded up and deported, no matter what the cost.

 

[Rayderr]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Essentially:

Democrats: Hey we want to pass a whole bunch of bills in the name of Sandy Hook, even though they wouldn't have had any effect on Sandy Hook and will do nothing but hinder law abiding citizens. But first we want you to pass this simple background check, and then we'll force through the other stuff.

Republicans: Wait, what? Hell no.

 

[timschochet]

The paranoid gun nuts win! Hooray for America! At least for another day, we have kept the black helicopters away.

What do you mean? I'm celebrating. The New World Order has been stopped in its tracks!

 

[Daywalker]

I love how many of the same people that are against expand background checks because it inconveniences law abiding citizens and their constitutional rights are also against gay marriage.

Yep. And they also would like to see all the illegals rounded up and deported, no matter what the cost.

The Dem's need to hire that ACORN kid to show illegals buying guns at a show without getting background checks.

 

[timschochet]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Essentially:

Democrats: Hey we want to pass a whole bunch of bills in the name of Sandy Hook, even though they wouldn't have had any effect on Sandy Hook and will do nothing but hinder law abiding citizens. But first we want you to pass this simple background check, and then we'll force through the other stuff.

Republicans: Wait, what? Hell no.

It's more like:

Democrats: Uh, we have no clue as to what the #### we want to do. Wait- let's pass a background check bill- no wait, let's water it down. No wait, let's water it down again. No wait, let's water it down again.

Republicans: THE UNITED NATIONS IS COMING!!! SHOOT TO KILL!!!

 

[njherdfan]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Essentially:

Democrats: Hey we want to pass a whole bunch of bills in the name of Sandy Hook, even though they wouldn't have had any effect on Sandy Hook and will do nothing but hinder law abiding citizens. But first we want you to pass this simple background check, and then we'll force through the other stuff.

Republicans: Wait, what? Hell no.

And if this was some kind of omnibus bill, I would totally understand that. Without a Democratic majority, though, the odds of "forcing through" anything as contentious as serious gun regulations (if that's even something the Democratic Party would want to focus its efforts on) seem incredibly low.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Essentially:

Democrats: Hey we want to pass a whole bunch of bills in the name of Sandy Hook, even though they wouldn't have had any effect on Sandy Hook and will do nothing but hinder law abiding citizens. But first we want you to pass this simple background check, and then we'll force through the other stuff.

Republicans: Wait, what? Hell no.

It's more like:

Democrats: Uh, we have no clue. as to what the #### we want to do. Wait- let's pass a background check bill- no wait, let's water it down. No wait, let's water it down again. No wait, let's water it down again.

Republicans: THE UNITED NATIONS IS COMING!!! SHOOT TO KILL!!!

Fixed, for accuracy.

 

[Rayderr]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Essentially:

Democrats: Hey we want to pass a whole bunch of bills in the name of Sandy Hook, even though they wouldn't have had any effect on Sandy Hook and will do nothing but hinder law abiding citizens. But first we want you to pass this simple background check, and then we'll force through the other stuff.

Republicans: Wait, what? Hell no.

It's more like:

Democrats: Uh, we have no clue as to what the #### we want to do. Wait- let's pass a background check bill- no wait, let's water it down. No wait, let's water it down again. No wait, let's water it down again.

Republicans: THE UNITED NATIONS IS COMING!!! SHOOT TO KILL!!!

So I just imagined all those hearings while Diane Feinstein attempted to make certain guns illegal based on them looking scary?

 

[timschochet]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Essentially:

Democrats: Hey we want to pass a whole bunch of bills in the name of Sandy Hook, even though they wouldn't have had any effect on Sandy Hook and will do nothing but hinder law abiding citizens. But first we want you to pass this simple background check, and then we'll force through the other stuff.

Republicans: Wait, what? Hell no.

It's more like:

Democrats: Uh, we have no clue as to what the #### we want to do. Wait- let's pass a background check bill- no wait, let's water it down. No wait, let's water it down again. No wait, let's water it down again.

Republicans: THE UNITED NATIONS IS COMING!!! SHOOT TO KILL!!!

So I just imagined all those hearings while Diane Feinstein attempted to make certain guns illegal based on them looking scary?

She didn't get very far did she? Hence the "no clue" and "water down" statements.

 

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I think I'm buying a sixpack of really good Beer on the way home, Just something to enjoy sipping on while Watching Obama's Hissyfit over and over again on my DVR.

 

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I also like to thank the Democrats for being so ham-fisted with this. That's caused the end of the AR panic and allowed me to score a sweet colt AR 15 For only 850 bucks last week. Can't wait to pick that up from my FFL and take it to the range.

 

[sporthenry]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Because this thread is a microcosm for the US as a whole. You see the people for gun control come and go while the same people who were originally against it are the loudest and most persistent, so the reps are continually afraid of those few people.

 

[jafo]

It's a great day for freedom.

 

[tom22406]

And now we wait for the next tragedy......................................

As I was telling Tim,this battle was won but the war is far from over for either side.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It's a great day for freedom.

...for career criminals and mental patients that want to shoot somebody.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

The Dem's motives were transparent and their bluff got called. What they were trying to pass would have zero impact on violent crime, it would have just been more red tape for law abiding citizens.

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.” – Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle

 

[jafo]

It's a great day for freedom.

...for career criminals and mental patients that want to shoot somebody.

Give us a bill that goes after career criminals and mental patients then. Stop harassing law abiding citizens.

 

[ichris]

They could start prosecuting prohibited people who lie on background checks.

 

[Rayderr]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Essentially:

Democrats: Hey we want to pass a whole bunch of bills in the name of Sandy Hook, even though they wouldn't have had any effect on Sandy Hook and will do nothing but hinder law abiding citizens. But first we want you to pass this simple background check, and then we'll force through the other stuff.

Republicans: Wait, what? Hell no.

It's more like:

Democrats: Uh, we have no clue as to what the #### we want to do. Wait- let's pass a background check bill- no wait, let's water it down. No wait, let's water it down again. No wait, let's water it down again.

Republicans: THE UNITED NATIONS IS COMING!!! SHOOT TO KILL!!!

So I just imagined all those hearings while Diane Feinstein attempted to make certain guns illegal based on them looking scary?

She didn't get very far did she? Hence the "no clue" and "water down" statements.

Only reason why it didn't get further was because the dems started to see that it was endangering the background check, so they removed it but allowed her to pursue it seperately. But by that point, the Dems had showed their hand and the GOP acted accordingly.

You agreed with me on this earlier, so I'm not sure why you're disagreeing with me now.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Piers' reaction

 

[Mookie]

So Congress can't even get the easy stuff done?

More death! That is truly awesome news.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Ah I get it, these politicians only care about national background checks when it aligns with their views.

Schumer protests national CCW Reciprocity which would allow individuals that have passed a federal background check in order to obtain their CCW permit to exercise their fundamental rights in any state that recognizes CCW permits.

I have a feeling the "anti-gun-nuts" in this thread are also against CCW Reciprocity.

In New York [City] a concealed weapons permit is allowed by law, but detractors have claimed it takes a large degree of wealth, political influence, and/or celebrity status to obtain.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I just don't get how someone can celebrate that a simple, limited background check bill went down.

I don't get it either. I don't want to read this whole thread, but I just don't understand any coherent opposition to the terms of this bill.

Essentially:

Democrats: Hey we want to pass a whole bunch of bills in the name of Sandy Hook, even though they wouldn't have had any effect on Sandy Hook and will do nothing but hinder law abiding citizens. But first we want you to pass this simple background check, and then we'll force through the other stuff.

Republicans: Wait, what? Hell no.

It's more like:

Democrats: Uh, we have no clue as to what the #### we want to do. Wait- let's pass a background check bill- no wait, let's water it down. No wait, let's water it down again. No wait, let's water it down again.

Republicans: THE UNITED NATIONS IS COMING!!! SHOOT TO KILL!!!

So I just imagined all those hearings while Diane Feinstein attempted to make certain guns illegal based on them looking scary?

She didn't get very far did she? Hence the "no clue" and "water down" statements.

Only reason why it didn't get further was because the dems started to see that it was endangering the background check, so they removed it but allowed her to pursue it seperately. But by that point, the Dems had showed their hand and the GOP acted accordingly.

You agreed with me on this earlier, so I'm not sure why you're disagreeing with me now.

Who cares about Feinstein's proposals? Anything she submits is completely separate from the legislation that was rejected today.Your position is that rejecting the measure that was up for vote in the Senate today helps fight what you think Feinstein may introduce in the future?

 

[lakerstan]

It's a great day for freedom.

...for career criminals and mental patients that want to shoot somebody.

Give us a bill that goes after career criminals and mental patients then. Stop harassing law abiding citizens.

Really? A background check is harassment? Do you complain going through the metal detectors at the airport too? Is this website infringing on your freedom by asking you to set up a password? Is Pizza Hut harassing you when they ask for your phone number? Don't want the Pepperoni police hunting you down.

 

[tommyGunZ]

The Dem's motives were transparent and their bluff got called. What they were trying to pass would have zero impact on violent crime, it would have just been more red tape for law abiding citizens.

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.” – Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle

What a joke. It's folks like you repeating ignorant crap like this that could have been written by the NRA itself that keeps stuff like today's measure from passing.

Know nothing indeed. Folks, this is why blaming politicians for all of our problems is shortsighted. As long as there are constituents like this 5 digit clown who eat up right wing nonsense like it's the last box of Boo Berry cereal, we'll have morons in Congress opposing common sense stuff like today's measure that is supported by 90% of Americans.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

The Dem's motives were transparent and their bluff got called. What they were trying to pass would have zero impact on violent crime, it would have just been more red tape for law abiding citizens.

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.” – Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle

What a joke. It's folks like you repeating ignorant crap like this that could have been written by the NRA itself that keeps stuff like today's measure from passing.

Know nothing indeed. Folks, this is why blaming politicians for all of our problems is shortsighted. As long as there are constituents like this 5 digit clown who eat up right wing nonsense like it's the last box of Boo Berry cereal, we'll have morons in Congress opposing common sense stuff like today's measure that is supported by 90% of Americans.

Of course 90% of Americans support “background checks”. Do they support “universal background checks”? Did the poll explain what that meant? Did they explain that it would create a massive invasion of privacy by keeping paperwork of all law abiding gun owners on file for the government to look through whenever they want? Did they ask if people approve of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars in taxpayer money it will take to implement and enforce such a system? Did they ask if the respondents thought this would actually lower crime and if criminals would submit themselves to these checks?

No, the question was probably something along the lines of, “Do you support universal background checks to save the lives of children?”

 

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I wonder how many anti-gun nuts are eagerly awaiting the next mass murder so they can jump up and down and say "haha! I told you so!"

 

[HellToupee]

The Dem's motives were transparent and their bluff got called. What they were trying to pass would have zero impact on violent crime, it would have just been more red tape for law abiding citizens.

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.” – Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle

What a joke. It's folks like you repeating ignorant crap like this that could have been written by the NRA itself that keeps stuff like today's measure from passing.

Know nothing indeed. Folks, this is why blaming politicians for all of our problems is shortsighted. As long as there are constituents like this 5 digit clown who eat up right wing nonsense like it's the last box of Boo Berry cereal, we'll have morons in Congress opposing common sense stuff like today's measure that is supported by 90% of Americans.

the GD system is broken. Why they couldn't get this done is beyond me. Both sides suck

 

[Christo]

And now we wait for the next tragedy......................................

As I was telling Tim,this battle was won but the war is far from over for either side.

Are you really implying that passage of this bill would prevent another tragedy?

 

[HellToupee]

I wonder how many anti-gun nuts are eagerly awaiting the next mass murder so they can jump up and down and say "haha! I told you so!"

ask Jay Mohr

 

[HellToupee]

And now we wait for the next tragedy......................................

As I was telling Tim,this battle was won but the war is far from over for either side.

Are you really implying that passage of this bill would prevent another tragedy?

unfortunately no background check would have prevented Newtown

 

[5 digit know nothing]

And now we wait for the next tragedy......................................

As I was telling Tim,this battle was won but the war is far from over for either side.

Are you really implying that passage of this bill would prevent another tragedy?

No he's implying this will shut up the whack job anti-gunners until the next tragedy at which point they can use the event to politicize their agenda.

 

[hammerva]

I wonder how many anti-gun nuts are eagerly awaiting the next mass murder so they can jump up and down and say "haha! I told you so!"

Oh please stop acting like the gun control people are the one looking for a mass murder/gun shooting. The NRA loves to see this #### too. More massacre means more chicken littles who think the government is going to kill them which means more guns sales.

The Republicans didn't do anything wrong because you knew that they were in the pocket of the NRA. Its the democrats that are the cowards for barking and barking and then putting their tail between their legs when someone told them the money train was leaving. And the great thing is that the NRA is going to stab them in the back by getting rid of them.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I wonder how many anti-gun nuts are eagerly awaiting the next mass murder so they can jump up and down and say "haha! I told you so!"

That would be almost as idiotic as the gun nuts who profess sympathy immediately after every mass shooting yet then oppose any changes to prevent future tragedies.