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i'm uncomfortable with the idea of people carrying around guns in public. I'm glad it's heavily restricted in California.
i'm uncomfortable with the idea of the state capriciously taking away freedoms because those freedoms make other people uncomfortable. I'm glad that hasn't happened in Washington (yet), but I'd prefer if the laws were more like Maine's.
Can you post the law? I would think acidental shootings will increase because there is no saftey courses required. I am still going to assume it is illegal to own much less carry a gun if you were convicted of a felony?I recently became aware that the state of Maine passed a law basically stating that a CCW permit is not required to carry a handgun . Citizens are now able to carry a firearm, open or concealed, without having to possess a permit.
Is that correct? If so, will gun violence increase or not?
Not actual code but here is an article.Can you post the law? I would think acidental shootings will increase because there is no saftey courses required. I am still going to assume it is illegal to own much less carry a gun if you were convicted of a felony?I recently became aware that the state of Maine passed a law basically stating that a CCW permit is not required to carry a handgun . Citizens are now able to carry a firearm, open or concealed, without having to possess a permit.
Is that correct? If so, will gun violence increase or not?
Not actual code but here is an article.Can you post the law? I would think acidental shootings will increase because there is no saftey courses required. I am still going to assume it is illegal to own much less carry a gun if you were convicted of a felony?I recently became aware that the state of Maine passed a law basically stating that a CCW permit is not required to carry a handgun . Citizens are now able to carry a firearm, open or concealed, without having to possess a permit.
Is that correct? If so, will gun violence increase or not?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/08/us-usa-maine-guns-idUSKCN0PI2QX20150708
Six states currently have this law.
And this is my problem.
If you are responspile gun owners you should be wanting there to be requirments for proper saftey and self defense courses.
Hold on. This event occurred because of "too many" guns?If the amount of guns had dropped below some threshold level it wouldn't have happened?
It happened, in part, because guns are too easy to access in our society.
How do you know that?
I agree with you on things like background checks and subjecting private sales to the same restrictions that we impose on retail sales.
Because nobody does.
Better and more access to mental health treatment for one. I'm also getting tired of hearing there is nothing that can be done, if someone wants to kill somebody with a gun they will do it no matter what we do to control gun access. So we just do nothing? I understand that it's going to be very difficult but something has to be done.
You mentioned them yourself. Close the private sales loophole in background checks. Expand the background check system and do not allow mentally ill people to buy guns. Make it harder, not easier, for CCW. And if I had my way, register every gun in America.
This. Knives and bombs are also used more when guns are controlled. Banning rocks & sticks ? nah...
Would those steps have prevented today's events? Or are you just talking in general now?
i don't know. We'll never know will we? But I believe these sorts of awful crimes would be more rare, yes.Andy Dufresne said:
I agree that there should be better and more access to mental health care - but what does that mean exactly? What I'm asking is how do we get better and more access to mental health care?
i don't know. I think we should be open to ideas.
But how much MORE less likely are you hoping for?I would argue that these events are already exceedingly rare.
This is the classic argument, and if we were talking about gang violence or a drug deal home bad i would clearly side with the "if guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns" stance. But when we're talking about a "normal" person getting a gun and shooting someone they know, then yes, easy access to guns helped to facilitate the death.
You're right of course; events like the Virginia shooting is rare. Gun crime as a whole is not rare. I believe that the ideas I listed would reduce both kinds of crimes. How much I can't say. But it wouldn't be insignificant. And I'm sick of this idea that we're helpless, that nothing will do any good.
I was responding to "hold on. This event occurred because of "too many" guns?"The implication of that is 1) that easy access to guns didn't impact this specific event when it demonstrably did, and/or 2) that you believe the opposite is true (that this event occurred because there were "not enough" guns.
pretty sure it does
I don't know how it's working out. I hope that California has less gun crime than other states but I don't know. However for registration to be effective it has to be national.
Where is your evidence that registration will be effective? How does that work? "I better not kill anyone with this gun because it's registered" doesn't seem like a logical notion to me.
Per law enforcement, many gun crimes are committed by guns which were purchased through private sales. If we are able to trace those weapons back to their original owners that will hopefully cause them to be more cautious about who they're selling their guns to, and the easy flow of guns into the hands of criminals will be hampered. That's the theory and law enforcement agrees with it. Makes sense to me. We register all cars in this country or you're not allowed to drive them. The main reason we don't do the same for guns, IMO, is because many gun owners have an irrational fear of the government seizing their guns and imposing a dictatorship. But we shouldn't let paranoia get in the way of reasonable rules to help protect society.Where is your evidence that registration will be effective? How does that work? "I better not kill anyone with this gun because it's registered" doesn't seem like a logical notion to me.
This actually isn't true. Prime example being "farm vehicles" where a farmer might have an old pickup for driving around on his farm. Don't need to be registered, don't need insurance, son't need a safety inspection, don't even need a license to drive it. As long as it stays on the farm don't need to do a damn thing (and some places will even allow limited driving on roads, but that's usually when the road cuts through their farm.)Per law enforcement, many gun crimes are committed by guns which were purchased through private sales. If we are able to trace those weapons back to their original owners that will hopefully cause them to be more cautious about who they're selling their guns to, and the easy flow of guns into the hands of criminals will be hampered. That's the theory and law enforcement agrees with it. Makes sense to me.We register all cars in this country or you're not allowed to drive them. The main reason we don't do the same for guns, IMO, is because many gun owners have an irrational fear of the government seizing their guns and imposing a dictatorship. But we shouldn't let paranoia get in the way of reasonable rules to help protect society.Where is your evidence that registration will be effective? How does that work? "I better not kill anyone with this gun because it's registered" doesn't seem like a logical notion to me.
You got a link for that info?Per law enforcement, many gun crimes are committed by guns which were purchased through private sales. If we are able to trace those weapons back to their original owners that will hopefully cause them to be more cautious about who they're selling their guns to, and the easy flow of guns into the hands of criminals will be hampered. That's the theory and law enforcement agrees with it. Makes sense to me. We register all cars in this country or you're not allowed to drive them. The main reason we don't do the same for guns, IMO, is because many gun owners have an irrational fear of the government seizing their guns and imposing a dictatorship. But we shouldn't let paranoia get in the way of reasonable rules to help protect society.Where is your evidence that registration will be effective? How does that work? "I better not kill anyone with this gun because it's registered" doesn't seem like a logical notion to me.
I don't know if I will ever understand the resistance to that one. It all sounds like a bunch of "gubbment gonna getcha" propaganda.
well, per the CDC, in 2013, there were 84,000 non fatal gun injuries (this includes self inflicted, accidental, and intentional), a rate of 26.65 per 100k people. Homicides by gun for that year were 11,208. That's a mere 3.5 per 100k people. In fact suicide by gun (21,175) nearly double the homicide rate by gun. There were 505 accidental deaths by gun, and 281 that were undertermined intent.
