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Official John Kasich 2016 thread (1 Viewer)

Voted for him in NYC.  Given my district which may have a grand total of three republicans I may have just carried the vote in my congressional district for him.  

 
Redwes25 said:
Can you unwrap this a bit
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Kasich is bought off and would push for massive immigration and amnesty. Kasich, I mean his donors are also free traders, so Americans would be forced to compete with people willing to work for slave wages.What does this mean for our country? Wages going waaaaay down, jobs lost and the middle class going bye bye with people on top getting richer.

At least Kasich is the adult in the room because trying to get classic movies like Fargo banned is very mature.

Trump was the guy you should have voted for if you cared about this country. Instead you decided to sit in the corner of the bedroom and watch this country get reamed.

 
Has anybody figured out why Kasich is still running?

He has less delegates than a guy who dropped out over a month ago, the only state he has won is his home state, there is no mathematical way to get to 1237, Cruz is the first pick if it goes to a second ballot in Cleveland, and an establishment candidate (Romney, Ryan, Walker, etc) will be the nominee if it goes past 2 rounds.

The voters do not want Kasich. The GOPe does not want Kasich.

Other than Trump and Cruz being assassinated there is no other path to the nomination.

What is his deal?

 
The beauty/irony of him staying in the race is that every vote for Kasich is essentially a vote for Trump. Kasich will keep Cruz from hitting the required % to pick up a vote in these congressional districts that are 3-0 or 2-1 depending on the splits.

 
For some reason I was just reminded of the homeless schizophrenic I'd see downtown during my lunch breaks.  He would talk to himself, mumbling nonsensical political babble that only he and whoever was trapped inside his head would understand.  We'd laugh at him a bit although deep down inside it was sad to see.  Not sure why I just thought of that.    

 
dfsguy said:
Kasich is bought off and would push for massive immigration and amnesty. Kasich, I mean his donors are also free traders, so Americans would be forced to compete with people willing to work for slave wages.What does this mean for our country? Wages going waaaaay down, jobs lost and the middle class going bye bye with people on top getting richer.

At least Kasich is the adult in the room because trying to get classic movies like Fargo banned is very mature.

Trump was the guy you should have voted for if you cared about this country. Instead you decided to sit in the corner of the bedroom and watch this country get reamed.
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You mean Trump who has started softening on immigration?

Kasich would be so much better for this country than Trump its not even funny.  And that you take the one thing about Fargo to point out immaturity...but you still support Trump and all his crap is just laughable.

 
chauncey said:
Has anybody figured out why Kasich is still running?

He has less delegates than a guy who dropped out over a month ago, the only state he has won is his home state, there is no mathematical way to get to 1237, Cruz is the first pick if it goes to a second ballot in Cleveland, and an establishment candidate (Romney, Ryan, Walker, etc) will be the nominee if it goes past 2 rounds.

The voters do not want Kasich. The GOPe does not want Kasich.

Other than Trump and Cruz being assassinated there is no other path to the nomination.

What is his deal?
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Guessing someone has told him to stay in and he will either have a shot at the nom or a high level position if the GOP gets into the Oval. (as long as its not Trump or something).

 
chauncey said:
Has anybody figured out why Kasich is still running?

He has less delegates than a guy who dropped out over a month ago, the only state he has won is his home state, there is no mathematical way to get to 1237, Cruz is the first pick if it goes to a second ballot in Cleveland, and an establishment candidate (Romney, Ryan, Walker, etc) will be the nominee if it goes past 2 rounds.

The voters do not want Kasich. The GOPe does not want Kasich.

Other than Trump and Cruz being assassinated there is no other path to the nomination.

What is his deal?
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He puts up a good bluff about never doing it, but Kasich has VP written all over him.

 
dfsguy said:
Kasich is bought off and would push for massive immigration and amnesty. Kasich, I mean his donors are also free traders, so Americans would be forced to compete with people willing to work for slave wages.What does this mean for our country? Wages going waaaaay down, jobs lost and the middle class going bye bye with people on top getting richer.

At least Kasich is the adult in the room because trying to get classic movies like Fargo banned is very mature.

Trump was the guy you should have voted for if you cared about this country. Instead you decided to sit in the corner of the bedroom and watch this country get reamed.
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 Since I am pro immigration reform and pro free trade this is all fine with me. Thanks

 
Redwes25 said:
Free trade has been the basis of the american economy for the last century and is beneficial to this country.  Think I will go with that approach. Glad to know I am anti-american though. Thanks
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I will join you. #### the Yankees! 

(I dont mean the baseball team- wait- actually I DO mean them too.) 

 
chauncey said:
Has anybody figured out why Kasich is still running?

He has less delegates than a guy who dropped out over a month ago, the only state he has won is his home state, there is no mathematical way to get to 1237, Cruz is the first pick if it goes to a second ballot in Cleveland, and an establishment candidate (Romney, Ryan, Walker, etc) will be the nominee if it goes past 2 rounds.

The voters do not want Kasich. The GOPe does not want Kasich.

Other than Trump and Cruz being assassinated there is no other path to the nomination.

What is his deal?
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He's a patriot who is trying to save the country from Trump and Cruz. He hopes to prevent 1237 and a longshot convention picking someone else.

 
Redwes25 said:
Free trade has been the basis of the american economy for the last century and is beneficial to this country.  Think I will go with that approach. Glad to know I am anti-american though. Thanks
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Unbalanced free trade deals that benefit the bottom line of multinational corporations at the expense of American workers aren't necessarily a net benefit for the American economy.

 
Redwes25 said:
Free trade has been the basis of the american economy for the last century and is beneficial to this country.  Think I will go with that approach. Glad to know I am anti-american though. Thanks
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Clearly you haven't thought about this subject enough. Here is some reading for you from Sir James Goldsmith

“What is the good of having an economy which grows by 80% if your unemployment – people excluded from active economic life – goes from 420,000 to 5.1 million?”

“You go and you create a corporation in China. And you build a factory in China. And what do you want to sell, mugs? You sell mugs in China. And you conquer part of the Chinese market by competing fair and square in China. That’s life. That’s adding to the activity of China. You’re a corporate citizen over there, you’re working over there.”

“But if you move a factory from the States and take that to China, not so as to conquer the Chinese market but so as to re-import the goods into the States, so as to get cheap labor, what are you doing? What you are doing is you are saying to your employees here, ‘You’re too expensive, folks. You want money. You want protection. You want unions. You want holidays. Forget it! We can employ 47 people over there (for each one of you) who want nothing.’”

“So, don’t confuse 2 issues. One is going out to participate in their growing economies by building there and conquering part of the market. The other is merely killing off employment in your own country, getting rid of your own labor force – transferring it over there and importing it back – purely so as to increase your profit margins.”
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“Now, the average company has about 25% of it’s costs in labor costs, including the social costs, the welfare costs around it, 25%. When you move – 25% of volume, that is – you, all of a sudden, can save over 25%, so your profits go leaping up. But you’re destroying – totally destroying – not only the number of people who’ve got jobs but also their salaries.”

“Now, you realize that salaries in the States – earnings, weekly earnings, hourly earnings over the last 20 years – have already dropped about 19% in real dollars. It’s already been a massive decline and that is why the so called recovery – which is a recovery of economic indexes – hasn’t got the feel good factor because people’s salaries have gone down. They’re gonna go down much more. It’s only beginning and the reason is very straightforward.”

“When you manufacture something, anything – this table – you have a value added. The value added is when you take the raw materials and you manufacture a product. Value you add is known as value added. And that is shared between capital and labor. And the whole division – the sharing of that – has been the subject of massive debates for generations. How much should go to capital? How much should go to labor? You’ve had strikes, you’ve had lockouts, you’ve had political debates.”

“All of a sudden, by creating a global marketplace for labor, by creating circumstances where people are making the same product with the same technology for the same capital and the only variant is cost of labor, you are shattering that – shattering the way you share the value added and that means that you are destroying the basis on which we’ve been able to create an equilibrium and have a stable society.”
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“I am entirely for free enterprise. I am for free markets. I’m not for the destruction of one’s society.”

“The economy is there to serve the fundamental needs of society, which are prosperity, which are stability, and which are contentment. That is the basis of my thinking. And what I’m saying at this stage is that if, purely for an economic doctrine, you have a situation whereby the economy grows but you create poverty, unemployment, and you destabilize the society, you’re in trouble.”

“Look what’s happened in the last 50 years. You see, people are not willing to look at fundamentals. When I was a boy we were taught that irreversibly we were moving towards progress. That material wealth, material prosperity would solve our problems, would improve our way of life, and improve our civilization. We were taught that. And we achieved the creation of material prosperity in a way which we would never have dreamt of. We made the economy grow 400%. Incredible! And what have we done? We destabilized our society. We’ve increased unemployment massively. We’ve totally destabilized our cities. We’ve uprooted our countryside. We’ve increased crime. Every single viable criteria for a stable society has become negative. Therefore, something must be wrong. And what has become wrong is that instead of the economy being there to serve us, we are there adoring, serving economic indexes.”

“The facts are that people who benefit are big major corporations. There is a divorce between the interests of major corporations and of society. When one used to say and believe – and probably rightly – what is good for General Motors is good for the United States. That is no longer true. Today the transnational corporations have annual sales of $4.8trillion. They account for 1/3 of all – the top alone account for 1/3 of – direct investment. Now how do they operate? They’re no longer linked to the United States, the American ones, or to France or to Britain. They operate by farming out their production to whatever company produces the cheapest labor, wherever they can get the biggest return on capital, and pay the lowest part to labor.”
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cap'n grunge said:
He's a patriot who is trying to save the country from Trump and Cruz. He hopes to prevent 1237 and a longshot convention picking someone else.
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He is a patriot for turning us into North Korea? Really? That is what people consider a patriot now?

 
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cap'n grunge said:
Great post on trade and then you pivot to this. WTF?
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You don't think the voters should have the right to pick who they want? Kasich staying in the race is him saying to the American people your vote shouldn't count. Clearly the majority of Republicans want Trump to be the guy, and anything else would be a disgrace to democracy.

 
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dfsguy said:
He is a patriot for turning us into North Korea? Really? That is what people consider a patriot now?
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You complain about trolling...but you have called someone anti american and posted this.  Its hard to take anything you say and do anything but laugh.  Just stop.

 
dfsguy said:
You don't think the voters should have the right to pick who they want? Kasich staying in the race is him saying to the American people your vote shouldn't count. Clearly the majority of Americans want Trump to be the guy, and anything else would be a disgrace to democracy.
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A majority of Americans want Trump to be the guy?  That is flat out incorrect.  He is not even getting a majority of the votes from Republicans.

Now, factually, a majority of Americans don't like him...hence his unfavorable numbers.

 
sho nuff said:
You complain about trolling...but you have called someone anti american and posted this.  Its hard to take anything you say and do anything but laugh.  Just stop.
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Ironic coming from you big guy. All you do is follow Trump posters trying to get under our skin.

 
sho nuff said:
A majority of Americans want Trump to be the guy?  That is flat out incorrect.  He is not even getting a majority of the votes from Republicans.

Now, factually, a majority of Americans don't like him...hence his unfavorable numbers.
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Majority of voters voting Republican do, that is why he is number 1. As far as overall? My prediction is yes but that is TBD

 
dfsguy said:
Majority of voters voting Republican do, that is why he is number 1. As far as overall? My prediction is yes but that is TBD
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He is hovering under 40%.

The majority of voters are voting for someone other than Trump.  That is factual.

 
sho nuff said:
He is hovering under 40%.

The majority of voters are voting for someone other than Trump.  That is factual.
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Trump won the majority of states. He is number 1 in delegates. As for the remaining states, looking very positive for Trump.

 
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dfsguy said:
You don't think the voters should have the right to pick who they want? Kasich staying in the race is him saying to the American people your vote shouldn't count. Clearly the majority of Republicans want Trump to be the guy, and anything else would be a disgrace to democracy.
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Plurality of voters who have participated in the process. No where near the majority of Republicans.

 
cap'n grunge said:
Plurality of voters who have participated in the process. No where near the majority of Republicans.
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the Republicans ran 20 people for a lot of states, and even now late in the game when they should be rallying behind Trump they still got a guy like Kasich running, who mathematically has no chance. Some states people didn't even get to vote, like Colorado. What Kasich is doing is disgusting and the Republican establishment is going to be in big trouble if they try to North Korea us.

 
dfsguy said:
the Republicans ran 20 people for a lot of states, and even now late in the game when they should be rallying behind Trump they still got a guy like Kasich running, who mathematically has no chance. Some states people didn't even get to vote, like Colorado. What Kasich is doing is disgusting and the Republican establishment is going to be in big trouble if they try to North Korea us.
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The cluster#### of the convention is going to be epic if he doesn't get to 1,237 if this type of rhetoric is starting already.   

 
dfsguy said:
the Republicans ran 20 people for a lot of states, and even now late in the game when they should be rallying behind Trump they still got a guy like Kasich running, who mathematically has no chance. Some states people didn't even get to vote, like Colorado. What Kasich is doing is disgusting and the Republican establishment is going to be in big trouble if they try to North Korea us.
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No matter what the GOP does it will destroy the party. Which is great for their party in the long run and great for America.

 
I will be honest, there is no way I am voting for Trump.  If he is a nominee I am voting for whoever wins out of the democrats (hope it is Hilary). Basically, I think the republicans have already handed the White House to the Democrats since Trump supporters are going to go crazy if it is not him and if he wins he is going to get crushed.  

 
Redwes25 said:
I will be honest, there is no way I am voting for Trump.  If he is a nominee I am voting for whoever wins out of the democrats (hope it is Hilary). Basically, I think the republicans have already handed the White House to the Democrats since Trump supporters are going to go crazy if it is not him and if he wins he is going to get crushed.  
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The cuck is strong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dIh0oDEGqk

 
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NorvilleBarnes said:
There are enough Trump threads - can we get this one back on track and discuss Kasich please.

I'll start: When does he catch up (delegate wise) to Rubio?
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He picked up another delegate yesterday! :excited:

At this rate he should pass Rubio sometime in December.

 
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