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[lebowski]

Sorry just found this myself about the offensive line...

OL article

Looks like the staff is going to try to work with who they have. I was still pretty ticked PHI swept in and took Justice in the 3rd. I thought for sure the Lions might take him there. All I can say is GO MARINELLI...WHIP THAT LINE INTO SHAPE (If he doesn't...it will be another looooooong season for us Lion's fans)

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

So does anyone have a grade for the Lions yet. Sounds like Sims is solid but has some risk associated with him and sounds like bullocks is a good pick as well and both fill needs. The one I'm not sure about is Calhoun. Sounds like maybe he was the BPA here but the Lions seem to have greater needs. Maybe they see some talent slipping to their next pick. You knew they had to draft some offense sooner or later. I still worry about their offensive line this season, however one poster said they addressed some of that with FA. (Does anyone have a link to these moves. I don't remember the Lions making a lot of offseason moves for OL. The only thing I can think is the new coaching staff believes the OL underperformed last year.) Overall I would give them a "B" so far (but I'm an easy grader and I love my Lions despite the pain they cause me each and every year).

I'd personally put it in the "C" to "C+" range.

 

[Spartans Rule]

So does anyone have a grade for the Lions yet. Sounds like Sims is solid but has some risk associated with him and sounds like bullocks is a good pick as well and both fill needs. The one I'm not sure about is Calhoun. Sounds like maybe he was the BPA here but the Lions seem to have greater needs. Maybe they see some talent slipping to their next pick. You knew they had to draft some offense sooner or later. I still worry about their offensive line this season, however one poster said they addressed some of that with FA. (Does anyone have a link to these moves. I don't remember the Lions making a lot of offseason moves for OL. The only thing I can think is the new coaching staff believes the OL underperformed last year.) Overall I would give them a "B" so far (but I'm an easy grader and I love my Lions despite the pain they cause me each and every year).

I'd personally put it in the "C" to "C+" range.

I'd probably go more B to B- range.The Lions didn't do anything special as far as making a trade or landing a huge steal. And their first round pick is a bit risky. But I think they made solid picks and added a lot of speed.

 

[lebowski]

So does anyone have a grade for the Lions yet. Sounds like Sims is solid but has some risk associated with him and sounds like bullocks is a good pick as well and both fill needs. The one I'm not sure about is Calhoun. Sounds like maybe he was the BPA here but the Lions seem to have greater needs. Maybe they see some talent slipping to their next pick. You knew they had to draft some offense sooner or later. I still worry about their offensive line this season, however one poster said they addressed some of that with FA. (Does anyone have a link to these moves. I don't remember the Lions making a lot of offseason moves for OL. The only thing I can think is the new coaching staff believes the OL underperformed last year.) Overall I would give them a "B" so far (but I'm an easy grader and I love my Lions despite the pain they cause me each and every year).

I'd personally put it in the "C" to "C+" range.

I'd probably go more B to B- range.The Lions didn't do anything special as far as making a trade or landing a huge steal. And their first round pick is a bit risky. But I think they made solid picks and added a lot of speed.

Overall a pretty uneventful draft for the Lions but that may be a good thing.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Sorry just found this myself about the offensive line...

OL article

Looks like the staff is going to try to work with who they have. I was still pretty ticked PHI swept in and took Justice in the 3rd. I thought for sure the Lions might take him there. All I can say is GO MARINELLI...WHIP THAT LINE INTO SHAPE (If he doesn't...it will be another looooooong season for us Lion's fans)

Of the new guys, I really like Tucker. Although he's almost always hurt, he has been very good in the past when healthy.Another thing with the line is that I recall reading that the linemen last year complained that the blocking schemes were lousy and put them in bad positions (can't find a link to this, it came from Kowalski). I have no idea if there's any merit to this, but Marinelli and Martz certainly seem to believe that more can be gotten out of the existing players.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

So does anyone have a grade for the Lions yet. Sounds like Sims is solid but has some risk associated with him and sounds like bullocks is a good pick as well and both fill needs. The one I'm not sure about is Calhoun. Sounds like maybe he was the BPA here but the Lions seem to have greater needs. Maybe they see some talent slipping to their next pick. You knew they had to draft some offense sooner or later. I still worry about their offensive line this season, however one poster said they addressed some of that with FA. (Does anyone have a link to these moves. I don't remember the Lions making a lot of offseason moves for OL. The only thing I can think is the new coaching staff believes the OL underperformed last year.) Overall I would give them a "B" so far (but I'm an easy grader and I love my Lions despite the pain they cause me each and every year).

I'd personally put it in the "C" to "C+" range.

I'd probably go more B to B- range.The Lions didn't do anything special as far as making a trade or landing a huge steal. And their first round pick is a bit risky. But I think they made solid picks and added a lot of speed.

My sticking point is that I just don't think "a bit risky" and "top ten overall pick" should go together if at all avoidable. Also, I think a little effort to move up and snag one of the slipping players like Jimmy Williams or Winston Justice at the top of the 2nd would've gone a long way. Considering where they were picking and what they managed to do with it I think their draft was pretty average... thus my "C to C+" ranking. I do like the Calhoun pick though and can definitely see the logic behind the B to B- grade. Either way, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[lebowski]

So does anyone have a grade for the Lions yet. Sounds like Sims is solid but has some risk associated with him and sounds like bullocks is a good pick as well and both fill needs. The one I'm not sure about is Calhoun. Sounds like maybe he was the BPA here but the Lions seem to have greater needs. Maybe they see some talent slipping to their next pick. You knew they had to draft some offense sooner or later. I still worry about their offensive line this season, however one poster said they addressed some of that with FA. (Does anyone have a link to these moves. I don't remember the Lions making a lot of offseason moves for OL. The only thing I can think is the new coaching staff believes the OL underperformed last year.) Overall I would give them a "B" so far (but I'm an easy grader and I love my Lions despite the pain they cause me each and every year).

I'd personally put it in the "C" to "C+" range.

I'd probably go more B to B- range.The Lions didn't do anything special as far as making a trade or landing a huge steal. And their first round pick is a bit risky. But I think they made solid picks and added a lot of speed.

My sticking point is that I just don't think "a bit risky" and "top ten overall pick" should go together if at all avoidable. Also, I think a little effort to move up and snag one of the slipping players like Jimmy Williams or Winston Justice at the top of the 2nd would've gone a long way. Considering where they were picking and what they managed to do with it I think their draft was pretty average... thus my "C to C+" ranking. I do like the Calhoun pick though and can definitely see the logic behind the B to B- grade. Either way, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Justice didn't go until the 3rd...one pick before the Lions However, he must have had some SERIOUS issues we are not privie to, to slip that far.Sims is the #2 LB on most peoples' list and doctors cleared him. I really don't have a problem with this pick. Bullocks sounds like good value where they picked him and Calhoun sounds like a solid pick as well. It wasn't a flashy draft but seems pretty solid to me so far. Unforunately, we have to wait a while tomorrow to see what they do next. Let's split the difference and give them a "B-"

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Absolutely we needed another guy and to get a burner in there was great. No doubt Martz will make good use of him.

burner? dude ran a 4.58.

Justice didn't go until the 3rd...one pick before the Lions  However, he must have had some SERIOUS issues we are not privie to, to slip that far.

2nd time i've read that in this thread, and it's false - he went in the 2nd, not the 3rd.

 

[lebowski]

2nd time i've read that in this thread, and it's false - he went in the 2nd, not the 3rd.

Sorry, sorry, sorry... I'm an idiot But he did go one pick right before the Lions and that sucked.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Absolutely we needed another guy and to get a burner in there was great. No doubt Martz will make good use of him.

burner? dude ran a 4.58.

Yes, burner. He ran a 4.38 at Wisconsin's pro day. He certainly played fast enough in college to make me believe that the 4.38 is more indicative of his real speed.

 

[RestoreTheROAR]

People are blowing this whole "risk" thing out of proportion with Sims. He only suffered ONE concussion...rest of them were more so getting his bell rung. BUT, you cant please everybody. He has alot more positives than negatives and has alot of potential. I posted some good points on the bottom of the first page.Heres a quote from Ernie i found kinda funny

"People talk about my height and everything, but when I tackle a person they don't ask me how tall I am," Sims said.

 

[lions327]

I love the Sims pick, mainly because he plays with some passion and fire, and bring some attitude to the defense that we have been lacking.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Absolutely we needed another guy and to get a burner in there was great. No doubt Martz will make good use of him.

burner? dude ran a 4.58.

Yes, burner. He ran a 4.38 at Wisconsin's pro day. He certainly played fast enough in college to make me believe that the 4.38 is more indicative of his real speed.

you sold me.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

I know the Lions have no 4th round pick, but package their 5th this year and something next year to move up to get one of these guys?

Jean-Giles

Zemaitis

Gabe Watson

Rod Wright

I'd love to see one of those guys, and would change my opinion of this draft from to I doubt we'll move, but here's hoping...

As a side note, seeing Ko Simpson and Darnell Bing still available kind of annoys me as we took a similarly graded S prospect 25 picks ago.

There's 2nd round talent still on the board, Millen. Go get it!

 

[Bri]

Not a bad pick. If he can stop beating his girlfriends.

What happened with Millen and the "character issue"?

He was flying up other teams' draft boards. He and Demeco Ryans bounced around alot. I'm surprised Ryans went so late but this was a deep draft for LBers so....Millen should/better be able to pick a LBer after his own pro experience.

 

[lebowski]

I know the Lions have no 4th round pick, but package their 5th this year and something next year to move up to get one of these guys?

Jean-Giles

Zemaitis

Gabe Watson

Rod Wright

I'd love to see one of those guys, and would change my opinion of this draft from to I doubt we'll move, but here's hoping...

As a side note, seeing Ko Simpson and Darnell Bing still available kind of annoys me as we took a similarly graded S prospect 25 picks ago.

There's 2nd round talent still on the board, Millen. Go get it!

Here's hopin'

 

[Bri]

As a side note, seeing Ko Simpson and Darnell Bing still available kind of annoys me as we took a similarly graded S prospect 25 picks ago.

There's 2nd round talent still on the board, Millen. Go get it!

I'm very surprised about that. Interesting development. We heard for a couple months that there might be a DB run and well the result seems to be teams backing off DBs for a little while.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

OVerall I liked what the Lions did. Sims is a playmaker and barring any head injury concerns, it's a great pick. He's been cleared by the doctors and it appears to not but much of a concern with most teams. Bullocks is a good player and safety was a huge need for this team. He can play the run and pass and will start in 2006. I wanted them to trade up and take Eric Winston as I knew he wouldn't last until their pick. I'm a little perplexed on the Calhoun pick. I think he's a good player and was a decent value at that point, but the Lions have glaring needs at CB and O-Line. They could also use a TE and another D-Lineman with Wilknson retring. Without having a 4th rounder, this was a mistake IMO. If they had a 4th, then the blow would have been less on this matter. Overall, I'd give them a B with prayer that they trade up into Round 4 and grab some of the talent still sitting on the board.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

OVerall I liked what the Lions did. Sims is a playmaker and barring any head injury concerns, it's a great pick. He's been cleared by the doctors and it appears to not but much of a concern with most teams. Bullocks is a good player and safety was a huge need for this team. He can play the run and pass and will start in 2006. I wanted them to trade up and take Eric Winston as I knew he wouldn't last until their pick. I'm a little perplexed on the Calhoun pick. I think he's a good player and was a decent value at that point, but the Lions have glaring needs at CB and O-Line. They could also use a TE and another D-Lineman with Wilknson retring. Without having a 4th rounder, this was a mistake IMO. If they had a 4th, then the blow would have been less on this matter. Overall, I'd give them a B with prayer that they trade up into Round 4 and grab some of the talent still sitting on the board.

Good post.Another interesting development re: Harrington.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2427730

If this can move us up to get one of those guys, that'd be awesome.

 

[realblue]

I think the Lions got caught with their pants down, and barely recovered.

My guess is that they were hoping Hawk slipped (of course, didn't happen), but then figured they take Huff. OAK surprised everyone taking him.

I would imagine that the "trade down" option just wasn't there so Sims isn't a bad option.

Next, I really wanted them to be agressive to nab Justice or Williams as they were slipping. They weren't and had to settle for Bullocks - blah.

Last, in the 3rd Youboty was slipping - and again time for the Lions to play the board and get him. Nope, didn't happen. Then they had a brain fart and took Calhoun - a small (and plays even smaller) RB that doesn't have the speed to get to the corner in the NFL. My only guess is that Martz wanted a poor mans Faulk for his offense. It is just that - poor.

With Giles and Simpson on the board, they missed badly on the 3rd rounder. Now with no 4th rounder, the get to sit on their hands for awhile. Unless they get agressive and use the rest of their picks to move up to get one of those two.

 

[whoknew]

Thoughts on Calhoun from Kowalski:

Calhoun pick means somebody's in trouble

The only way the Brian Calhoun pick in the third round makes sense is if somebody is in more trouble than we know. Whether it's Eddie Drummond as a kick returner or some of those wide receivers, we don't know. Drummond just signed a long-term deal and got a reported $2 million signing bonus, but he is injury-prone and Calhoun is insurance. But a third-round pick for insurance?

Mike Martz likes those darting, fast athletes for his slot receivers and that could be the key to this pick. The Lions have a lot of big, lumbering receivers but very few fit the mold of Martz's ideal slot guy. That, too, is a possibility -- and it also means that somebody else is in trouble because of roster spots at receiver.

And, perhaps, it means the end for one of Detroit's running backs, whether it's a tailback or fullback (if Shawn Bryson is moved there full-time). Regardless of where the Lions put Calhoun, it means he's going to nudge somebody out. And third-round picks don't get cut in camp so a veteran is on borrowed time.

Then again, knowing the way Rod Marinelli likes to operate, maybe he wants all of those players to think their job is in jeopardy.

 

[MSULions]

I love love LOVE getting Jon Scott in the 5th Round.....talk about a gift.

 

[-OZ-]

I love love LOVE getting Jon Scott in the 5th Round.....talk about a gift.

SOD! Maybe not, but he might start at RT before too long.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Scott is a great pick in the 5th round here. He fills a need, has great measureables, lots of experience and should back up Backus right away. I don't know if he can come in an take Butler's job at RT though. He needs to add more strength and technique before that happens. With proper coaching though, I think this guy is a future starter at OT for a long time. This is the best later round pick the Lions have made in years. Nice job to the Lions on this one...

 

[lebowski]

Scott is a great pick in the 5th round here. He fills a need, has great measureables, lots of experience and should back up Backus right away. I don't know if he can come in an take Butler's job at RT though. He needs to add more strength and technique before that happens. With proper coaching though, I think this guy is a future starter at OT for a long time. This is the best later round pick the Lions have made in years. Nice job to the Lions on this one...

Good to here the Lions picking an offensive lineman. Sounds like he may have been a pretty good deal at this point of the draft.

 

[psycho lions fan]

Scott is a great pick in the 5th round here. He fills a need, has great measureables, lots of experience and should back up Backus right away. I don't know if he can come in an take Butler's job at RT though. He needs to add more strength and technique before that happens. With proper coaching though, I think this guy is a future starter at OT for a long time. This is the best later round pick the Lions have made in years. Nice job to the Lions on this one...

Couldn't believe he was still there, this pick almost makes Millen look good.Not taking Gilles in the third or finding a way to grab him at the beginning of the 4th was kind of surprising.

I agree Scott could be the starter they need at Tackle.

sidenote: I also like the Calhoun pick in the 3rd, even though Mooch seemed to neglect KJ alot in the offense, the guy always seems to be fighting some sort of injury and there is no one else on the roster that can fill in for KJ and be a threat at the same time.

Also, it kept Green Bay from being able to put Calhoun on their roster--not a reason to draft him but a bonus by drafting him!

 

[lebowski]

Does anyone have a link to a good scouting report on this guy? Here is what nfl.com had.

nfl.com link

 

[lebowski]

Scott is a great pick in the 5th round here.  He fills a need, has great measureables, lots of experience and should back up Backus right away.  I don't know if he can come in an take Butler's job at RT though.  He needs to add more strength and technique before that happens.  With proper coaching though, I think this guy is a future starter at OT for a long time.  This is the best later round pick the Lions have made in years.  Nice job to the Lions on this one...

Couldn't believe he was still there, this pick almost makes Millen look good.Not taking Gilles in the third or finding a way to grab him at the beginning of the 4th was kind of surprising.

I agree Scott could be the starter they need at Tackle.

sidenote: I also like the Calhoun pick in the 3rd, even though Mooch seemed to neglect KJ alot in the offense, the guy always seems to be fighting some sort of injury and there is no one else on the roster that can fill in for KJ and be a threat at the same time.

Also, it kept Green Bay from being able to put Calhoun on their roster--not a reason to draft him but a bonus by drafting him!

How much earlier could he have gone in the draft?

 

[psycho lions fan]

Scott is a great pick in the 5th round here.  He fills a need, has great measureables, lots of experience and should back up Backus right away.  I don't know if he can come in an take Butler's job at RT though.  He needs to add more strength and technique before that happens.  With proper coaching though, I think this guy is a future starter at OT for a long time.  This is the best later round pick the Lions have made in years.  Nice job to the Lions on this one...

Couldn't believe he was still there, this pick almost makes Millen look good.Not taking Gilles in the third or finding a way to grab him at the beginning of the 4th was kind of surprising.

I agree Scott could be the starter they need at Tackle.

sidenote: I also like the Calhoun pick in the 3rd, even though Mooch seemed to neglect KJ alot in the offense, the guy always seems to be fighting some sort of injury and there is no one else on the roster that can fill in for KJ and be a threat at the same time.

Also, it kept Green Bay from being able to put Calhoun on their roster--not a reason to draft him but a bonus by drafting him!

How much earlier could he have gone in the draft?

I thought he was top tackle left after day 1 and was surprised he made it through the 4th round. I was also surprised Calhoun was there in the 3rd round at the Lions pick

-- I think the depth at db and lb had alot to do with good talent sliding at other positions.

 

[lebowski]

1 9 Sims, Ernie OLB 5-11 232 Florida State

2 40 Bullocks, Daniel SS 6-0 213 Nebraska

3 74 Calhoun, Brian RB 5-9 202 Wisconsin

5 141 Scott, Jonathan OT 6-6 314 Texas

6 179 McCann, Alton 'Dee' CB 5-11 198 West Virginia

7 217 Matua, Fred G 6-2 307 Southern California

Looks like the Lions addressed a lot of needs with this draft. My hats off to the new coaching staff. My new grade for this draft is a B/B+.