*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (1 Viewer)

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The show is as good as ever. It is not the shows fault that people expecting one thing, hoped for another, and were given something different. Don't blame the show for your failure of expectations. Again, the show is as good as ever and the people downplaying how good it is lost something... the show has not.

I wasn't a big fan of this week's show but I think the season has been damn good and the show itself remains incredible. I don't expect everything to be answered at this point and I'm fine with that. I just want a fun ride to the end and this season has delivered. It hasn't always been perfect but few shows rarely are during a season. I am going to miss this show greatly when it's over.

I agree with this. I just think they blew an opportunity with this last episode, although I hold out some hope that the final 3.5 will shed some further light on the episode. The main point may have been that Jacob, while given a biblical name, is just a human like Jack etc.

 

[packersfan]

The thrill isn't in the ending, it's in the ride.

I agree and disagree. The ride has been incredible and I think its cemented "Lost's" status as one of the greatest TV shows of all time.But I do hope there's an ending which matches the thrill of the ride. I don't want to be feeling as disappointed as I was after "The Sopranos" ending, for example.

 

[The Duff Man]

I feel that since the Season Five finale....it's been an entirely different show. To me, all of the DHARMA/Others/Widmore stuff that was a significant driving force of the first five seasons has been rendered moot as soon as Jacob and MIB appeared on the beach.

that's one of my main problems with the whole thing.

That seems to have been their plan from day 1. Tell an interesting story where you have time to develop good characters, and do it from the perspective of the characters. They don't know what the story is about either!Many movies or shows would spill the beans in season 1....that the entire show is about Jacob/MIB. Think about how the show would evolve if you knew that in Season 1. Would the island seem as mysterious?

What about when you were introduced to the Survivors in the other section of the plane and then met Ben in Season 2? The cliff hanger with the Others taking them prison to end the season? Instead of being mesmorized you would be thinking....how does this relate to Jacob and the search for a Candidate?

Season 3 and learning all about the Others? This wouldn't be that important if you knew that they actually played a minor role in the grand scheme of the story. But you didn't know that, so you were on the edge of your seat the whole time instead.

Season 4/5. It seems like the story might become about Ben/Widmore and their struggle for control of the island. Thats pretty cool!

You are right, as soon as Jacob/MIB appeared on the beach, you should have realized that you didn't really know what the story was about for 5 seasons, and in Season 6 you are about to find out. I think this story telling technique was intentional and well done, otherwise it would be impossible to be emotionally invested in the early season mysteries and characters because you wouldn't be able to "unlearn" that you knew that the end game was somone taking over for Jacob.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I feel that since the Season Five finale....it's been an entirely different show. To me, all of the DHARMA/Others/Widmore stuff that was a significant driving force of the first five seasons has been rendered moot as soon as Jacob and MIB appeared on the beach.

that's one of my main problems with the whole thing.

That seems to have been their plan from day 1. Tell an interesting story where you have time to develop good characters, and do it from the perspective of the characters. They don't know what the story is about either!Many movies or shows would spill the beans in season 1....that the entire show is about Jacob/MIB. Think about how the show would evolve if you knew that in Season 1. Would the island seem as mysterious?

What about when you were introduced to the Survivors in the other section of the plane and then met Ben in Season 2? The cliff hanger with the Others taking them prison to end the season? Instead of being mesmorized you would be thinking....how does this relate to Jacob and the search for a Candidate?

Season 3 and learning all about the Others? This wouldn't be that important if you knew that they actually played a minor role in the grand scheme of the story. But you didn't know that, so you were on the edge of your seat the whole time instead.

Season 4/5. It seems like the story might become about Ben/Widmore and their struggle for control of the island. Thats pretty cool!

You are right, as soon as Jacob/MIB appeared on the beach, you should have realized that you didn't really know what the story was about for 5 seasons, and in Season 6 you are about to find out. I think this story telling technique was intentional and well done, otherwise it would be impossible to be emotionally invested in the early season mysteries and characters because you wouldn't be able to "unlearn" that you knew that the end game was somone taking over for Jacob.

This is a terrible defense of the show. "We had to make it seem like all that irrelevant stuff was important, or you wouldn't have watched!"

 

[Sideshow Bob]

The thrill isn't in the ending, it's in the ride.

I think the chief complaint from people is less the ending than the feeling that they stepped onto the Lost log flume and feel like they're about to exit the Vasectomycoaster.

 

[Dr. No]

This will be my last comment until after the finale on the 23rd. I'll give the show its final 3.5 hours to tell the story they are going to tell.

But as it stands right now, unless they overwhelmingly impress me in the last 3.5, I'll suggest that this series was very good for 3 seasons (which was the huge bulk of the episodes) and then closed out the final 3 seasons with a thud.

but if it ends in an gross way (and I think that is a much stronger possibility) then I am going to ##### and moan until even Mario Kart agrees that this just really went to crap, fast.

If we can get some more dental scenes and Bernard can factor prominently into the ending, I might give them a pass no matter how terrible the last 3.5 goes.

PS - I didn't watch the Sopranos at all, but i've read a LARGE number of people hated the ending. I read and interview with Team Darlton where they said they thought that ending was brilliant. I'm scared.

 

[The Duff Man]

This is a terrible defense of the show. "We had to make it seem like all that irrelevant stuff was important, or you wouldn't have watched!"

It was important to the characters at the time it was happening, and we could fully appreciate that because our mind wasn't pre-occupied by alreading knowing too much about the overall story and skipping ahead to possible endings.Or put another way, we were able to fully enjoy the multitude of possible endings (and theories) because they didn't tip thier hand too early.

 

[The Dude]

Perhaps this show's best and worst quality at the same time is that it caused it's viewers to think. Viewers came up with pre-conceived notions of the answers they'd like—it's only natural to do that when you become invested in the characters and there are so many mysteries layered throughout the show that are slow to be answered. And human nature being what it is, we think our own answers are the best. When the answers we're provided don't match up with what we think is better, people will naturally become upset that it doesn't measure up.

The problem is they implied that they wanted you to think. As if they gave you the clues to figure out the answer. And the problem is the myriad of "clues" do not appear to be leading to an answer.

 

[The Dude]

And I would like to ask again, did Christian appear off-island in Jack's hospital? I seem to recall that.

And then if so, hasn't MIB already been off the island?

 

[Statorama]

The thrill isn't in the ending, it's in the ride.

I agree and disagree. The ride has been incredible and I think its cemented "Lost's" status as one of the greatest TV shows of all time.But I do hope there's an ending which matches the thrill of the ride. I don't want to be feeling as disappointed as I was after "The Sopranos" ending, for example.

...and I know there's plenty of haters of last weeks show, but it washed over me like a waterfall in springtime. I loved it, right down to seeing that big ### donkey wheel in MIB's cave.The show still has plenty of time to tie in Widmore, etc. I know there's a spoiler here about who the last shows are focused on, and it seems like that's the perfect person to bridge those gaps.I still can't forgive The Soprano's for that crap ending. It's dead to me.

 

[packersfan]

And I would like to ask again, did Christian appear off-island in Jack's hospital? I seem to recall that.

Yes he did but we don't know if that was MIB. Dead people have appeared to Hurley off the island as well. It's possible Jack just saw the ghost of his father.

 

[packersfan]

I still can't forgive The Soprano's for that crap ending. It's dead to me.

I like it more now than I did at the time. But that's faint praise because I really didn't care for it initially and I still don't like it all that much now. That's not far behind "St. Elsewhere" for me in terms of the worst series finales ever. I'm optimistic "Lost" won't follow the same path.

 

[Mario Kart]

And I would like to ask again, did Christian appear off-island in Jack's hospital? I seem to recall that.And then if so, hasn't MIB already been off the island?

Christian appeared to Jack twice after the departure from the Island. First, Jack caught a glimpse of Christian as he walked by in the hospital (although this might just be someone who looked like his dad). The second time also occurred at the hospital, while Jack was working late hours. Christian said Jack's name from a nearby sofa, but one of Jack's co-workers appeared and Christian vanished. Believing this to be a hallucination, Jack requested a prescription for clonazepam. ("Something Nice Back Home")Sometime later, Jack sat at the bedside of John Locke, who had been in a car accident. After failing to convince Jack to return to the Island, Locke revealed that Jack's father had told him to say "hello" to Jack. Jack was shocked to hear this, and when he told Locke that his father was dead, Locke replied, "Well, he didn't look dead to me." ("The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham")

The clear answer is yes/no. Was Jack hallucinating? Was it MIB? Was it Jacob?

 

[Oscillating Fan]

I don't think I love anything in life as much as Mario Kart loves this show. What is he going to do when it's over?

 

[Mario Kart]

I don't think I love anything in life as much as Mario Kart loves this show. What is he going to do when it's over?

Never said I loved it. I do, however, understand it and probably understand the multi possibility angle they have achieved thus far. I really miss the days of tv shows that tell us everything especially the ending way before we see the ending. I just love that.

 

[Swamprat]

so is the next show Tuesday or a week from Sunday?

There's a show on Tuesday May 17th (1 hour, at its regular time) and the season finale is on Sunday May 23rd. The season finale airs from 9:00-11:30 and there's apparently a 2-hour recap before and some sort of Kimmel special afterwards.

Result of the flash sideways?

Many are speculating that the 23rd is also a very significant date given that it's one of the numbers and that it's Jack's "Candidate number"

It would really have freaked them out if it would have been on the 42nd.

 

[Lehigh98]

it washed over me like a waterfall in springtime.

 

[bostonfred]

We still don't know who or what the smoke monster is. It isn't the MIB kid. He died. The smoke monster took over his body. That's the only interesting good thing that came out of this week's episode to me - the smoke has probably never been a person. The fact that the kid also wanted to get off the island seems like a red herring to me - I still think it's Farraday, who was in some kind of flux when the nuke went off, so he's doomed to relive the events until he can get off the island.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I don't think I love anything in life as much as Mario Kart loves this show. What is he going to do when it's over?

Never said I loved it. I do, however, understand it and probably understand the multi possibility angle they have achieved thus far. I really miss the days of tv shows that tell us everything especially the ending way before we see the ending. I just love that.

 

[cstu]

Question about the time travel...the main purpose I saw for it was to blow up the bomb and create the sideways world. Was there any other reason they needed the time travel episodes?

 

[cstu]

We still don't know who or what the smoke monster is. It isn't the MIB kid. He died. The smoke monster took over his body. That's the only interesting good thing that came out of this week's episode to me - the smoke has probably never been a person. The fact that the kid also wanted to get off the island seems like a red herring to me - I still think it's Farraday, who was in some kind of flux when the nuke went off, so he's doomed to relive the events until he can get off the island.

They've insinuated that Mother was also a Smoke Monster so I don't believe a person (or rather their mind) actually dies when they become Smoky.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Question about the time travel...the main purpose I saw for it was to blow up the bomb and create the sideways world. Was there any other reason they needed the time travel episodes?

There was a lot of backstory in the time travel. And, you know, whatever happened happened. Even if it wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there to cause it to happen. Or if it was kept from happening in an alternate timeline. Or undone by a magical pool of water that might make you live but might also make you drown and become undead.

 

[The Dude]

And I would like to ask again, did Christian appear off-island in Jack's hospital? I seem to recall that.And then if so, hasn't MIB already been off the island?

Christian appeared to Jack twice after the departure from the Island. First, Jack caught a glimpse of Christian as he walked by in the hospital (although this might just be someone who looked like his dad). The second time also occurred at the hospital, while Jack was working late hours. Christian said Jack's name from a nearby sofa, but one of Jack's co-workers appeared and Christian vanished. Believing this to be a hallucination, Jack requested a prescription for clonazepam. ("Something Nice Back Home")Sometime later, Jack sat at the bedside of John Locke, who had been in a car accident. After failing to convince Jack to return to the Island, Locke revealed that Jack's father had told him to say "hello" to Jack. Jack was shocked to hear this, and when he told Locke that his father was dead, Locke replied, "Well, he didn't look dead to me." ("The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham")

The clear answer is yes/no. Was Jack hallucinating? Was it MIB? Was it Jacob?

Alright, so the hallucination would be a cop out - cause there's no indication he suffers from hallucinations. There's no evidence that Jacob has taken other forms. It would have had to have been MIB - which appears to be a colossal mistake.But if viewers are supposed to write explanations for the writers - like hallucinations - that's pretty sad.

 

[bostonfred]

And I would like to ask again, did Christian appear off-island in Jack's hospital? I seem to recall that.And then if so, hasn't MIB already been off the island?

Christian appeared to Jack twice after the departure from the Island. First, Jack caught a glimpse of Christian as he walked by in the hospital (although this might just be someone who looked like his dad). The second time also occurred at the hospital, while Jack was working late hours. Christian said Jack's name from a nearby sofa, but one of Jack's co-workers appeared and Christian vanished. Believing this to be a hallucination, Jack requested a prescription for clonazepam. ("Something Nice Back Home")Sometime later, Jack sat at the bedside of John Locke, who had been in a car accident. After failing to convince Jack to return to the Island, Locke revealed that Jack's father had told him to say "hello" to Jack. Jack was shocked to hear this, and when he told Locke that his father was dead, Locke replied, "Well, he didn't look dead to me." ("The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham")

The clear answer is yes/no. Was Jack hallucinating? Was it MIB? Was it Jacob?

Alright, so the hallucination would be a cop out - cause there's no indication he suffers from hallucinations. There's no evidence that Jacob has taken other forms. It would have had to have been MIB - which appears to be a colossal mistake.But if viewers are supposed to write explanations for the writers - like hallucinations - that's pretty sad.

If this was after the Oceanic Six left the island, it might have been after the smoke monster had already gotten off. Then they blew up the island in that timeline, while Jack and co all made it back, or something similarly convoluted. And he may know that, which would explain why this time, he was trying to kill them - so the island couldn't bring them back to stop him again.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

And I would like to ask again, did Christian appear off-island in Jack's hospital? I seem to recall that.And then if so, hasn't MIB already been off the island?

Christian appeared to Jack twice after the departure from the Island. First, Jack caught a glimpse of Christian as he walked by in the hospital (although this might just be someone who looked like his dad). The second time also occurred at the hospital, while Jack was working late hours. Christian said Jack's name from a nearby sofa, but one of Jack's co-workers appeared and Christian vanished. Believing this to be a hallucination, Jack requested a prescription for clonazepam. ("Something Nice Back Home")Sometime later, Jack sat at the bedside of John Locke, who had been in a car accident. After failing to convince Jack to return to the Island, Locke revealed that Jack's father had told him to say "hello" to Jack. Jack was shocked to hear this, and when he told Locke that his father was dead, Locke replied, "Well, he didn't look dead to me." ("The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham")

The clear answer is yes/no. Was Jack hallucinating? Was it MIB? Was it Jacob?

Alright, so the hallucination would be a cop out - cause there's no indication he suffers from hallucinations. There's no evidence that Jacob has taken other forms. It would have had to have been MIB - which appears to be a colossal mistake.But if viewers are supposed to write explanations for the writers - like hallucinations - that's pretty sad.

If this was after the Oceanic Six left the island, it might have been after the smoke monster had already gotten off. Then they blew up the island in that timeline, while Jack and co all made it back, or something similarly convoluted. And he may know that, which would explain why this time, he was trying to kill them - so the island couldn't bring them back to stop him again.

Just as Smokey succeeds in leaving the island with Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, and Kate, an airplane streaks through the sky overhead, breaking up and becoming a ball of flames. The camera focuses on an eye, which opens. It pans out to reveal Jack laying on the ground. He sprints to the beach to find the airplane crashed. It's a bunch of people we haven't seen before, a few we have seen before, and of course, Sawyer, Hurly, and Kate.:nerdsfap:

 

[Twilight]

And I would like to ask again, did Christian appear off-island in Jack's hospital? I seem to recall that.And then if so, hasn't MIB already been off the island?

Christian appeared to Jack twice after the departure from the Island. First, Jack caught a glimpse of Christian as he walked by in the hospital (although this might just be someone who looked like his dad). The second time also occurred at the hospital, while Jack was working late hours. Christian said Jack's name from a nearby sofa, but one of Jack's co-workers appeared and Christian vanished. Believing this to be a hallucination, Jack requested a prescription for clonazepam. ("Something Nice Back Home")Sometime later, Jack sat at the bedside of John Locke, who had been in a car accident. After failing to convince Jack to return to the Island, Locke revealed that Jack's father had told him to say "hello" to Jack. Jack was shocked to hear this, and when he told Locke that his father was dead, Locke replied, "Well, he didn't look dead to me." ("The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham")

The clear answer is yes/no. Was Jack hallucinating? Was it MIB? Was it Jacob?

Alright, so the hallucination would be a cop out - cause there's no indication he suffers from hallucinations. There's no evidence that Jacob has taken other forms. It would have had to have been MIB - which appears to be a colossal mistake.But if viewers are supposed to write explanations for the writers - like hallucinations - that's pretty sad.

If this was after the Oceanic Six left the island, it might have been after the smoke monster had already gotten off. Then they blew up the island in that timeline, while Jack and co all made it back, or something similarly convoluted. And he may know that, which would explain why this time, he was trying to kill them - so the island couldn't bring them back to stop him again.

Thanx to the last episode, we now definitely know that dead people are NOT always Smokey, or Jacob. Jacob and MIB's mother appeared before Smokey (or in spite of the previous smokey if their Mother was another Smokey). We have also had kid Jacob appearing, who definitely wasn't F-Locke. Therefore the best explanation is that the dead sightings on the island is somehow connected to the specialness of the island, somehow allowing souls to appear visible. And since the island effects can be still felt off-island (for example, Michael's inability to suicide), it's perfectly logical to allow Christian's appearance off island as a similar manifestation.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Thanx to the last episode, we now definitely know that dead people are NOT always Smokey, or Jacob. Jacob and MIB's mother appeared before Smokey (or in spite of the previous smokey if their Mother was another Smokey). We have also had kid Jacob appearing, who definitely wasn't F-Locke. Therefore the best explanation is that the dead sightings on the island is somehow connected to the specialness of the island, somehow allowing souls to appear visible. And since the island effects can be still felt off-island (for example, Michael's inability to suicide), it's perfectly logical to allow Christian's appearance off island as a similar manifestation.

The mother still could have been Black Smoke.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

As much as I love this show, it should have ended with the flash forward of Jack telling Kate "We have to go back".

Seriously. That's really the point where the show slipped into the abyss. The first four seasons comprise one of the greatest television shows ever. The last two have been trainwrecks that have practically nothing to do with anything that happened before them. So disappointing.

Couldn't agree more....that scene and ending to the season was perfect. I still enjoy the show for what it is....but it's no longer great to me.

I agree with this.They had a solid plan the first few seasons. They expanded it to accommodate more seasons. They decided it should end. Now they are rushing to tie up the messes that they created in adding the additional content.such is life. still entertaining.

You really think they are rushing? I don't think they are rushing at all. If anything they have been having a hard time finding good content this season. They have been going through the motions since season 4 with a few good episodes here and there.

 

[cstu]

I didn't see this posted, great interview with the LOST producers about Across the Sea.

 

[saintsdave75]

Question about the time travel...the main purpose I saw for it was to blow up the bomb and create the sideways world. Was there any other reason they needed the time travel episodes?

I thought it was to show the origins of Dharma on the island

 

[saintsdave75]

who the heck was that in the cabin that time that said "help me"?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I didn't see this posted, great interview with the LOST producers about Across the Sea.

Damon Lindelof: It's never exactly the reaction you're expecting. We knew it would be an episode that would be divisive. We've been talking since the beginning of the season about the idea that the great thing of doing a show on your own terms is you have no excuses, but it's also slightly terrifying that if you're a mystery show, there will inevitably be episodes that answer mysteries. That has the potential to frighten, terrify, make people hate. This was going to be the season where we said, "Whatever your theory was, our presentation of the endgame of the show may disprove your theory, so we're sorry if you don't like the fact that you don't get the Man in Black's name, but you don't get it." So that's going to piss some people off, and it's their right to be pissed off. In terms of what the specific reactions are, it's too hard to say 12 hours after the fact, and without seeing where this episode plays in the grand scheme of the series. That's all we can say.

Responses like this prove to me that Lindelof doesn't have any clue how people evaluate TV. I suppose by the time you reach season 6 of a wildly successful show, you're going to think you're above criticism and entitled to a victory lap or two. I find it hilarious that he thinks the majority of negative reviews are due to revelations not lining up neatly with peoples' theories, or that we don't get to know some random fact like the name of the Man in Black. I hope he doesn't actually think this way because it's borderline r3tarded.

 

[saintsdave75]

what about when MIB was describing his people to Jacob and said something like "he hated them all, the were liars, etc," sounds to me like this could lead to the origins of Jacobs game, which we were led to believe that he wanted to prove, apparently to MIB, that all people were capable of good and not all evil or whatever it was Jacob said to Richard when they first met

 

[Pickle Rody]

I didn't see this posted, great interview with the LOST producers about Across the Sea.

Damon Lindelof: It's never exactly the reaction you're expecting. We knew it would be an episode that would be divisive. We've been talking since the beginning of the season about the idea that the great thing of doing a show on your own terms is you have no excuses, but it's also slightly terrifying that if you're a mystery show, there will inevitably be episodes that answer mysteries. That has the potential to frighten, terrify, make people hate. This was going to be the season where we said, "Whatever your theory was, our presentation of the endgame of the show may disprove your theory, so we're sorry if you don't like the fact that you don't get the Man in Black's name, but you don't get it." So that's going to piss some people off, and it's their right to be pissed off. In terms of what the specific reactions are, it's too hard to say 12 hours after the fact, and without seeing where this episode plays in the grand scheme of the series. That's all we can say.

Responses like this prove to me that Lindelof doesn't have any clue how people evaluate TV. I suppose by the time you reach season 6 of a wildly successful show, you're going to think you're above criticism and entitled to a victory lap or two. I find it hilarious that he thinks the majority of negative reviews are due to revelations not lining up neatly with peoples' theories, or that we don't get to know some random fact like the name of the Man in Black. I hope he doesn't actually think this way because it's borderline r3tarded.

I have been fairly critical in my own mind but have refrained from posting anything of the sort here. There is enough of that already. But damn Pickles, I think you nailed it here. They (producers) have been hinting/stating all along that we will get answers to the questions that they themselves helped to create, yet here we are at the near-end of the story and he seems miffed that fans are really upset with them for not providing some of those answers. I'm okay with it if the answers weren't what I thought they might be, at least I'd have an answer. To tell me now that I won't be getting some of the answers I was promised is more disappointing then getting an answer I didn't like.

I have thoroughly enjoyed this series from the beginning. Even this season has been enjoyable to me. I hope the last 3.5 hours will wrap up nicely, but I'm not a betting man.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I didn't see this posted, great interview with the LOST producers about Across the Sea.

they come across as pretty arrogant and whiny.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I'm not the smartest guy in the world, and i'm no lost apologist by any means.....but i'd like to know how people "will be satisfied" when it's all said and done.

ETA: Is season 6 as good as season 1, 2 or 3.....of course not. But LOST was groundbreaking and was widely understood as one of the best shows of all time even as early as those seasons. The fact that it's not as good as those seasons is not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.

When it's all said and done, this was a phenomenal series. The fact that so many people are bent out of shape about it all is a testament about how good a series this show is. Will we get all of the answers...of course not.....but at the end of the day, I think the producers/writers have won......they know there's no definative answer....just like life, the island, etc.....

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I find it hilarious that he thinks the majority of negative reviews are due to revelations not lining up neatly with peoples' theories, or that we don't get to know some random fact like the name of the Man in Black.

For the last few seasons, I haven't really cared so much about getting answers. I mean, it would be really cool to get clever, meaningful, sensible, internally consistent answers to the show's more interesting mysteries. It would also be really cool to win the lottery. But I'm not going to be overly disappointed if I don't.What I liked most about the first few seasons, and what I think has been missing in the last few, is that I cared about the characters and their predicaments. I wanted to see if Michael and Jin would eventually get along, or if Sawyer and anyone would. I wanted to know what would happen to Claire after she was kidnapped. I wanted to know whether Locke and Boone would be able to open the hatch -- and what they'd find inside if they did. I wanted to see what kind of couple Sayid and Shannon would make. I wanted to see what Henry Gale was all about. I wanted to see if Penny and Desmond would reunite, and if Charlie would really die.

I didn't want to know those things just to satisfy my taste for learning trivia. I wanted to know them because the characters were engaging and their stories were captivating: I cared about them.

Since about the start of the time-traveling, however, the storylines have become tedious. I'll keep watching to see how things unfold -- to get answers to trivia questions -- but I don't really care anymore. It's like watching the rest of the NBA playoffs after my team has already been eliminated. I guess I still want to know who wins, but I no longer have much of a preference one way or the other. The kinds of storylines I once found so absorbing were left for dead some time ago.

 

[bostonfred]

For the last few seasons, I haven't really cared so much about getting answers. I mean, it would be really cool to get clever, meaningful, sensible, internally consistent answers to the show's more interesting mysteries. It would also be really cool to win the lottery. But I'm not going to be overly disappointed if I don't.

What I liked most about the first few seasons, and what I think has been missing in the last few, is that I cared about the characters and their predicaments. I wanted to see if Michael and Jin would eventually get along, or if Sawyer and anyone would. I wanted to know what would happen to Claire after she was kidnapped. I wanted to know whether Locke and Boone would be able to open the hatch -- and what they'd find inside if they did. I wanted to see what kind of couple Sayid and Shannon would make. I wanted to see what Henry Gale was all about. I wanted to see if Penny and Desmond would reunite, and if Charlie would really die.

I didn't want to know those things just to satisfy my taste for learning trivia. I wanted to know them because the characters were engaging and their stories were captivating: I cared about them.

Since about the start of the time-traveling, however, the storylines have become tedious. I'll keep watching to see how things unfold -- to get answers to trivia questions -- but I don't really care anymore. It's like watching the rest of the NBA playoffs after my team has already been eliminated. I guess I still want to know who wins, but I no longer have much of a preference one way or the other. The kinds of storylines I once found so absorbing were left for dead some time ago.

I no longer feel the need to reply to this thread because you've summed it up so well that there's nothing left to say.

 

[shuke]

I don't get people expecting all of the answers to be solved in the last episode, they have 2 more left, including a monster 2.5 hour grand finale. People expect too much from a TV show. Plus they did give us more information, the viewers starved for answers are not satisfied though.

I couldn't care less about getting answers. I just think the show has become a lot less intriguing over the past 2 seasons.

 

[shuke]

I find it hilarious that he thinks the majority of negative reviews are due to revelations not lining up neatly with peoples' theories, or that we don't get to know some random fact like the name of the Man in Black.

For the last few seasons, I haven't really cared so much about getting answers. I mean, it would be really cool to get clever, meaningful, sensible, internally consistent answers to the show's more interesting mysteries. It would also be really cool to win the lottery. But I'm not going to be overly disappointed if I don't.What I liked most about the first few seasons, and what I think has been missing in the last few, is that I cared about the characters and their predicaments. I wanted to see if Michael and Jin would eventually get along, or if Sawyer and anyone would. I wanted to know what would happen to Claire after she was kidnapped. I wanted to know whether Locke and Boone would be able to open the hatch -- and what they'd find inside if they did. I wanted to see what kind of couple Sayid and Shannon would make. I wanted to see what Henry Gale was all about. I wanted to see if Penny and Desmond would reunite, and if Charlie would really die.

I didn't want to know those things just to satisfy my taste for learning trivia. I wanted to know them because the characters were engaging and their stories were captivating: I cared about them.

Since about the start of the time-traveling, however, the storylines have become tedious. I'll keep watching to see how things unfold -- to get answers to trivia questions -- but I don't really care anymore. It's like watching the rest of the NBA playoffs after my team has already been eliminated. I guess I still want to know who wins, but I no longer have much of a preference one way or the other. The kinds of storylines I once found so absorbing were left for dead some time ago.

What he said.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I find it hilarious that he thinks the majority of negative reviews are due to revelations not lining up neatly with peoples' theories, or that we don't get to know some random fact like the name of the Man in Black.

For the last few seasons, I haven't really cared so much about getting answers. I mean, it would be really cool to get clever, meaningful, sensible, internally consistent answers to the show's more interesting mysteries. It would also be really cool to win the lottery. But I'm not going to be overly disappointed if I don't.What I liked most about the first few seasons, and what I think has been missing in the last few, is that I cared about the characters and their predicaments. I wanted to see if Michael and Jin would eventually get along, or if Sawyer and anyone would. I wanted to know what would happen to Claire after she was kidnapped. I wanted to know whether Locke and Boone would be able to open the hatch -- and what they'd find inside if they did. I wanted to see what kind of couple Sayid and Shannon would make. I wanted to see what Henry Gale was all about. I wanted to see if Penny and Desmond would reunite, and if Charlie would really die.

I didn't want to know those things just to satisfy my taste for learning trivia. I wanted to know them because the characters were engaging and their stories were captivating: I cared about them.

Since about the start of the time-traveling, however, the storylines have become tedious. I'll keep watching to see how things unfold -- to get answers to trivia questions -- but I don't really care anymore. It's like watching the rest of the NBA playoffs after my team has already been eliminated. I guess I still want to know who wins, but I no longer have much of a preference one way or the other. The kinds of storylines I once found so absorbing were left for dead some time ago.

Exactly. All along, I have watched this show not for the endgame, but for the ride. And recently, the ride has been a lot less interesting, with a lot more filler, and a lot clunkier story telling. In season's 1-3, I often thought, "I have no idea where this is going, but that was one awesome hour of television." Now I often feel like,"That was pretty good tv, but it felt mostly like it was trying to drive to story along." Take the Ben sideways episode. All that mattered for the endgame (I think), in terms of the narrative, is that Ben does something selfless to advance someone else rather than heartless to advance himself. They could have told that story in a thousand different ways, and I belief quite a few could have provided a more enjoyable ride for the 44 minutes is was onscreen. Alex telling Ben in the library that the principal way sleeping with the school nurse was not particularly compelling television. It was an awkward device to give Ben some leverage over the principal. In previous seasons, Ben gained leverage over people by developments that seemed organic, as opposed to contrived.

I am art professor. When I am critique, I am often the hardest on good work, that isn't yet great- because there is so much to talk consider. It is small changes that often shift something from good to great. That's how I feel about Lost not. I still like the show quite a bit- it is the only show I watch regularly. I think it is very good. Yet as is often the case with things that have gone from great to very good- like when a great player loses a bit of his game- the small differences are notable and striking.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I find it hilarious that he thinks the majority of negative reviews are due to revelations not lining up neatly with peoples' theories, or that we don't get to know some random fact like the name of the Man in Black.

For the last few seasons, I haven't really cared so much about getting answers. I mean, it would be really cool to get clever, meaningful, sensible, internally consistent answers to the show's more interesting mysteries. It would also be really cool to win the lottery. But I'm not going to be overly disappointed if I don't.What I liked most about the first few seasons, and what I think has been missing in the last few, is that I cared about the characters and their predicaments. I wanted to see if Michael and Jin would eventually get along, or if Sawyer and anyone would. I wanted to know what would happen to Claire after she was kidnapped. I wanted to know whether Locke and Boone would be able to open the hatch -- and what they'd find inside if they did. I wanted to see what kind of couple Sayid and Shannon would make. I wanted to see what Henry Gale was all about. I wanted to see if Penny and Desmond would reunite, and if Charlie would really die.

I didn't want to know those things just to satisfy my taste for learning trivia. I wanted to know them because the characters were engaging and their stories were captivating: I cared about them.

Since about the start of the time-traveling, however, the storylines have become tedious. I'll keep watching to see how things unfold -- to get answers to trivia questions -- but I don't really care anymore. It's like watching the rest of the NBA playoffs after my team has already been eliminated. I guess I still want to know who wins, but I no longer have much of a preference one way or the other. The kinds of storylines I once found so absorbing were left for dead some time ago.

This is essentially how I feel as well. I think the writers got away from what made the show so compelling in the first place. For them to dismiss criticism as if it only comes down to revealing trivia is pretty silly. It moved from a character-driven show to one of fantastic circumstances and events. The story became so convoluted that it necessitated moving away from an analysis of personalities and interactions. The interview they gave was after the previous episode (which was particularly weak amid the weakest season in the franchise), so I can see how they'd be defensive.There is so much mythology and allusion that any reasonable analysis is pointless anyway. I'd argue that even if you're the kind of person that likes to scrutinize every frame of the show, there's nothing satisfying to be found at the end of this exercise. There is no "explanation" to it all. I think reasonable people recognized this around season 3. I was good with how things were going until season 5 when I realized the show had morphed into something I didn't care much about anymore.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

For the last few seasons, I haven't really cared so much about getting answers. I mean, it would be really cool to get clever, meaningful, sensible, internally consistent answers to the show's more interesting mysteries. It would also be really cool to win the lottery. But I'm not going to be overly disappointed if I don't.

What I liked most about the first few seasons, and what I think has been missing in the last few, is that I cared about the characters and their predicaments. I wanted to see if Michael and Jin would eventually get along, or if Sawyer and anyone would. I wanted to know what would happen to Claire after she was kidnapped. I wanted to know whether Locke and Boone would be able to open the hatch -- and what they'd find inside if they did. I wanted to see what kind of couple Sayid and Shannon would make. I wanted to see what Henry Gale was all about. I wanted to see if Penny and Desmond would reunite, and if Charlie would really die.

I didn't want to know those things just to satisfy my taste for learning trivia. I wanted to know them because the characters were engaging and their stories were captivating: I cared about them.

Since about the start of the time-traveling, however, the storylines have become tedious. I'll keep watching to see how things unfold -- to get answers to trivia questions -- but I don't really care anymore. It's like watching the rest of the NBA playoffs after my team has already been eliminated. I guess I still want to know who wins, but I no longer have much of a preference one way or the other. The kinds of storylines I once found so absorbing were left for dead some time ago.

I no longer feel the need to reply to this thread because you've summed it up so well that there's nothing left to say.

I feel closure now as well. Thanks, Maurile.

 

[kupcho1]

For the last few seasons, I haven't really cared so much about getting answers. I mean, it would be really cool to get clever, meaningful, sensible, internally consistent answers to the show's more interesting mysteries. It would also be really cool to win the lottery. But I'm not going to be overly disappointed if I don't.

What I liked most about the first few seasons, and what I think has been missing in the last few, is that I cared about the characters and their predicaments. I wanted to see if Michael and Jin would eventually get along, or if Sawyer and anyone would. I wanted to know what would happen to Claire after she was kidnapped. I wanted to know whether Locke and Boone would be able to open the hatch -- and what they'd find inside if they did. I wanted to see what kind of couple Sayid and Shannon would make. I wanted to see what Henry Gale was all about. I wanted to see if Penny and Desmond would reunite, and if Charlie would really die.

I didn't want to know those things just to satisfy my taste for learning trivia. I wanted to know them because the characters were engaging and their stories were captivating: I cared about them.

Since about the start of the time-traveling, however, the storylines have become tedious. I'll keep watching to see how things unfold -- to get answers to trivia questions -- but I don't really care anymore. It's like watching the rest of the NBA playoffs after my team has already been eliminated. I guess I still want to know who wins, but I no longer have much of a preference one way or the other. The kinds of storylines I once found so absorbing were left for dead some time ago.

I no longer feel the need to reply to this thread because you've summed it up so well that there's nothing left to say.

I feel closure now as well. Thanks, Maurile.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Question about the time travel...the main purpose I saw for it was to blow up the bomb and create the sideways world. Was there any other reason they needed the time travel episodes?

The events that took place during the time travel pushed Locke to leave the island and know he had to die (as told to him by Christian and Richard). This kept MiB's loophole plan in order.Could it have been done another, better way? Possibly, but that's what we got.

 

[(HULK)]

Serious spoilers are now out for next week's episode.

Don't read unless you really, really, really want to.

Seriously, I mean it. Highlight below and you find out who replaces Jacob, who dies, who betrays, and who is important.

Alt Universe:

Spoiler

Back once more: AnaL ucia returns to spring sideways peeps from sideways jail.

Sideways Romance: Ben + Rousseau

Sideways Desmond: Getting everyone on 815 to go to Jack's son's concert recital.

Island:

Spoiler

New Jacob: Jack takes the mantle from him in a similar fashion to when Mother passed it to Jacob

Dead: Richard Alpert, punted by Smokey in smoke form

Dead: Zoe, aka Dirty Liz Lemon, throat slit by Smokey in Locke form

Dead: Widmore, shot by Ben, payback for breaking the rules

Switching Sides: Ben. Playing for team Smokey again, for now.

Important: Desmond. He was Jacob's high spade in the hole, but Smokey thinks he can use him to destroy the island.

*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

 

[Sack-Religious]

Thanx to the last episode, we now definitely know that dead people are NOT always Smokey, or Jacob. Jacob and MIB's mother appeared before Smokey (or in spite of the previous smokey if their Mother was another Smokey). We have also had kid Jacob appearing, who definitely wasn't F-Locke.

Therefore the best explanation is that the dead sightings on the island is somehow connected to the specialness of the island, somehow allowing souls to appear visible. And since the island effects can be still felt off-island (for example, Michael's inability to suicide), it's perfectly logical to allow Christian's appearance off island as a similar manifestation.

Further to this, I've also been thinking about these ghost appearances. Many of us have thought based on previous appearances that Smokey needs a body on the island in order to manifest himself as a specific person other than his original form and smoke. I'm not sure this is the case. The body of Ben's mother was never on the island and Ben saw her and Richard saw Isabella who was also never on the island. To my knowledge, Smokey never scanned Ben as a boy and in the two times I watched Ab Aeterno, I don't recall Smokey scanning Richard, so how and why did they appear? Neither Richard nor Ben have seen a ghost other than Isabella or Emily Linus, so it's not like they have a history of seeing ghosts, like Hurley. Could the unique and special qualities of the island allow it to manifest as loved ones of people on the island?

Now, on to the island's guardian - It wouldn't surprise me if there once was a second guardian with Mother and the second guardian ventured down The Source/Well of Souls, whatever you want to call it. This is why Mother knows that the fate is worse than death. Either that, or she went down herself and can be both Mother and Smokey. If The Light is the base power of the universe from which all things come, it would contain everything, the Alpha and Omega, man, woman, good and evil and everything in between. It makes sense for the guardian to be good and bad—to keep the universe in balance you can't have one without the other.

The other possibility is that Smokey, as a seperate entity, has been there for a long time, trapped on the island and either gets summoned or appears periodically to deal with strangers/undesirables. Smokey on its own was likely semi-sentient and could appear as a 'ghost' to certain people at certain times in order to try and manipulate them (it wants freedom too after all) but when MiB's body goes into the "well of souls" and as his "soul" was stripped from his body, his soul and Smokey became integrated, granting Smokey greater intelligence and granting MiB special powers. Add in a sprinkling of insanity from being stripped of humanity and thousands of years to go insane and you have two things becoming one, working together towards a common goal. You get the intelligence and craftiness of MiB and the pure evil incarnate that is Smokey combining to create one big bad, mofo.

 

[kupcho1]

Serious spoilers are now out for next week's episode.

Don't read unless you really, really, really want to.

Seriously, I mean it. Highlight below and you find out who replaces Jacob, who dies, who betrays, and who is important.

Alt Universe:

Spoiler

Back once more: AnaL ucia returns to spring sideways peeps from sideways jail.

Sideways Romance: Ben + Rousseau

Sideways Desmond: Getting everyone on 815 to go to Jack's son's concert recital.

Island:

Spoiler

New Jacob: Jack takes the mantle from him in a similar fashion to when Mother passed it to Jacob

Dead: Richard Alpert, punted by Smokey in smoke form

Dead: Zoe, aka Dirty Liz Lemon, throat slit by Smokey in Locke form

Dead: Widmore, shot by Ben, payback for breaking the rules

Switching Sides: Ben. Playing for team Smokey again, for now.

Important: Desmond. He was Jacob's high spade in the hole, but Smokey thinks he can use him to destroy the island.

*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();Willpower

 

[Lehigh98]

Went to reply to HULK's post that I was going to try to avoid any spoilers until the finale and then they popped up in his original post that I guess I was quoting. Oops! Fortunately I was able to avert my eyes as if the post was the opening Ark of the Covenant and only saw a couple words and names but not the context.

Surprised if major info made it out, I'll have to be more careful to avoid.

 

[Dr. Doofenshmirtz]

Went to reply to HULK's post that I was going to try to avoid any spoilers until the finale and then they popped up in his original post that I guess I was quoting. Oops! Fortunately I was able to avert my eyes as if the post was the opening Ark of the Covenant and only saw a couple words and names but not the context.Surprised if major info made it out, I'll have to be more careful to avoid.

I actually did the same thing and was able to avoid itHulk is using all the power of the government to track this stuff down