**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (6 Viewers)

[caabeel]

D.I.H.G.Dharma Initiative... Human Genome?

Sorry if I missed it but I think it's Dharma Initiative Hanso Group....

 

[Wild Young Billy]

Someone else posted this link, but this is the best map yet.

 

[Chiefs Transplant]

P.R.D. Every 6 - 8 months

Hmmm.  P.R.D. = Plane Resupply Drop???

In the military, P.R.D. stands for "personnel rotation date" which means the date that you are due to transfer or leave.

I work in the pentagon, and I've never heard that. I'm thinking its supposed to be Parachute Resupply Drop.Anyway, I went to a military acronym website, and here it what it listed:

PRD 1power range detector, 2program requirements data, 3program requirements document, 4product requirements document, 5Presidential review directive, 6personnel requirements document, 7[JP 1-0] Personnel Readiness Division, 8[AR 310-50] personnel readiness date, 9[AR 310-50] postal regulating detachment

Apparently it is a Navy specific term. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=prd+navy&...1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

 

[Alias]

PRD Acronyms

Most likely I see are:

Projected Rotation Date

Predicted Range of the Day

Pilot Reported Discrepancy

I think the navy one has to do with X X Document

 

[Dash]

This is probably a repeat, but I wanted to make sure folks knew about a comic book that mentioned Cerebrus. Yeah, its not the same spelling of "Cerberus" on the hatch door, but it relates to previous theories of Nanobots, given that the comic by the same name was spelled incorrectly.

 

[(HULK)]

P.R.D. Every 6 - 8 months

Hmmm.  P.R.D. = Plane Resupply Drop???

In the military, P.R.D. stands for "personnel rotation date" which means the date that you are due to transfer or leave.

I work in the pentagon, and I've never heard that. I'm thinking its supposed to be Parachute Resupply Drop.Anyway, I went to a military acronym website, and here it what it listed:

PRD 1power range detector, 2program requirements data, 3program requirements document, 4product requirements document, 5Presidential review directive, 6personnel requirements document, 7[JP 1-0] Personnel Readiness Division, 8[AR 310-50] personnel readiness date, 9[AR 310-50] postal regulating detachment

Apparently it is a Navy specific term. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=prd+navy&...1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

That would explain why I've never heard it./Former Amry

//Current Air Force contractor

 

[offdee]

And what's with Locke's girlfriend???  Talk about drama queen.

Maybe she is Locke's fathers girlfriend and was just baby sitting Locke to make sure he did exactly what Dad wanted. Conned again. She leaves when they are through w/John and meets up with Dad at the airport for their getaway.

I like this thought.Also, how did Locke originally lose his ability to walk....I didn't watch Season 1 so not sure if this was ever specified or not? I was thinking as soon as the girlfriend and father drove off, that the guys they stole the money from would see the 200K sitting on the table and they are the ones who mess up Locke's legs.

 

[bryhamm]

And what's with Locke's girlfriend???  Talk about drama queen.

Maybe she is Locke's fathers girlfriend and was just baby sitting Locke to make sure he did exactly what Dad wanted. Conned again. She leaves when they are through w/John and meets up with Dad at the airport for their getaway.

I like this thought.Also, how did Locke originally lose his ability to walk....I didn't watch Season 1 so not sure if this was ever specified or not? I was thinking as soon as the girlfriend and father drove off, that the guys they stole the money from would see the 200K sitting on the table and they are the ones who mess up Locke's legs.

This is suppose to be explained by the end of the season.

 

[Dr. van Nostrand]

What if "Henry Gale" is the other guy who left Desmond by himself in the hatch? Would make sense in that he would know the numbers, know how the hatch operated and how to get the doors to open.

Interesting.

Desmond said his partner was named Kelvin and that he died. Desmond could have been lying, but I don't think Gale = Kelvin.

I think that Desmond assumed that Kelvin died, due to the quarantine warning on the doors, and Kelvin leaving. Leaving the hatch = death in Desmond's way of thinking. That thought probably changed when he saw the Losties alive and well. It's just a hunch.

What makes you think Kelvin disappeared? I think you're making it much more complicated than it actually is. Desmond said Kelvin died; I really dont see any reason to think that Desmond didnt see Kelvin's dead body, likely in the hatch.

 

[Brewdude]

What if "Henry Gale" is the other guy who left Desmond by himself in the hatch?  Would make sense in that he would know the numbers, know how the hatch operated and how to get the doors to open.

Interesting.

Desmond said his partner was named Kelvin and that he died. Desmond could have been lying, but I don't think Gale = Kelvin.

I think that Desmond assumed that Kelvin died, due to the quarantine warning on the doors, and Kelvin leaving. Leaving the hatch = death in Desmond's way of thinking. That thought probably changed when he saw the Losties alive and well. It's just a hunch.

What makes you think Kelvin disappeared? I think you're making it much more complicated than it actually is. Desmond said Kelvin died; I really dont see any reason to think that Desmond didnt see Kelvin's dead body, likely in the hatch.

Have you actually watched this show???

 

[Dr. van Nostrand]

Have you actually watched this show???

Check the post counts.

 

[Challenge Everything]

About 4:10 into the show when Locke threw Henry back into the armory the screen starts to zoom out. Just before switching scenes there is a book on the bookshelf that is visable for not even 1 second. The title of the book is Stars and there may be other writing on the cover but it is not clear.

What means this?

 

[Challenge Everything]

The safe deposit box number was 1516.

 

[noneother]

http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_ima...wall-707484.jpg

not sure if it's in here

I am sure it is.. but the only other map I saw was not typed

 

[Blackhawk 69]

The map is on page 11 0f the April 7th edition of Entertainment Weekly w/no extra explanations.

 

[Sweeper]

Ummmm, polar bears on a tropical island?

Well the polar bears are becuase of Walt and what ever powers he has (as seen in season one when he was reading about birds and that same bird crashed into his window and how his mother's husband told micheal that he was "different"). He was reading the comic book about the polar bears and they appeared, two different times! 1.1 and then when his dad burned the comic book. Also, the woman Locke does the home inspection for IS Syaid's wife/gf.

And has anyone thought of the possibility that whatever con or scam locke's dad was involved in to get that $700K involved Sawer? This is just speculation at this point, but I bet that it involves him one way or another.

 

[Dr. van Nostrand]

Also, the woman Locke does the home inspection for IS Syaid's wife/gf.

:honda:

And has anyone thought of the possibility that whatever con or scam locke's dad was involved in to get that $700K involved Sawer? This is just speculation at this point, but I bet that it involves him one way or another.

If there's a connection between Locke's dad and Saywer, it will be that Locke's dad is the original Saywer.

 

[GoL]

  Ummmm, polar bears on a tropical island?

Well the polar bears are becuase of Walt and what ever powers he has (as seen in season one when he was reading about birds and that same bird crashed into his window and how his mother's husband told micheal that he was "different"). He was reading the comic book about the polar bears and they appeared, two different times! 1.1 and then when his dad burned the comic book. Also, the woman Locke does the home inspection for IS Syaid's wife/gf.

And has anyone thought of the possibility that whatever con or scam locke's dad was involved in to get that $700K involved Sawer? This is just speculation at this point, but I bet that it involves him one way or another.

The mention of the polar bear "Ursas Maritimas" on the blast door makes me think Walt didn't conjure it up. It was part of the DHARMA test.Speaking of the blast door the common theory is that it comes down during the resupply drop. But if that's the case wouldn't it only be down for 10-15 minutes at a time every 6-8 months? Wouldn't you pick a more accessible place to draw your secret, visible underblacklight only, map? Why not on the bottome of the ping pong table?

 

[slinky]

Speaking of the blast door the common theory is that it comes down during the resupply drop. But if that's the case wouldn't it only be down for 10-15 minutes at a time every 6-8 months? Wouldn't you pick a more accessible place to draw your secret, visible underblacklight only, map? Why not on the bottome of the ping pong table?

maybe because its too hard to paint a map of secret bunkers and notes of possible accidents/magnetic interference/code words of cerebrus and polar bears while laying on your back?

 

[UOFI_316]

  Ummmm, polar bears on a tropical island?

Well the polar bears are becuase of Walt and what ever powers he has (as seen in season one when he was reading about birds and that same bird crashed into his window and how his mother's husband told micheal that he was "different"). He was reading the comic book about the polar bears and they appeared, two different times! 1.1 and then when his dad burned the comic book. Also, the woman Locke does the home inspection for IS Syaid's wife/gf.

And has anyone thought of the possibility that whatever con or scam locke's dad was involved in to get that $700K involved Sawer? This is just speculation at this point, but I bet that it involves him one way or another.

The mention of the polar bear "Ursas Maritimas" on the blast door makes me think Walt didn't conjure it up. It was part of the DHARMA test.Speaking of the blast door the common theory is that it comes down during the resupply drop. But if that's the case wouldn't it only be down for 10-15 minutes at a time every 6-8 months? Wouldn't you pick a more accessible place to draw your secret, visible underblacklight only, map? Why not on the bottome of the ping pong table?

I was thinking of this also. But didn't Locke look at the timer when the siren or whatever went off, and it was at 47 minutes. And the timer went off when the door was down, so you would have 45 minutes to draw on the door. Obviously the mpa drawer was on that side of the door. What if the drop happened with 10 minutes left on the timer, it would run out and all hell would break loose.

 

[Dr. van Nostrand]

I was thinking of this also. But didn't Locke look at the timer when the siren or whatever went off, and it was at 47 minutes. And the timer went off when the door was down, so you would have 45 minutes to draw on the door.

Obviously the mpa drawer was on that side of the door. What if the drop happened with 10 minutes left on the timer, it would run out and all hell would break loose.

I couldnt find a screen cap, but my Tivo confirms that he clock was a 47 minutes when Locke heard the "broadcast". You'd think they'd have put something in the orientation film about getting in the room with the computer if it takes 47+ minutes to make the drop ...

 

[Challenge Everything]

I was thinking of this also.  But didn't Locke look at the timer when the siren or whatever went off, and it was at 47 minutes.  And the timer went off when the door was down, so you would have 45 minutes to draw on the door.

Obviously the mpa drawer was on that side of the door.  What if the drop happened with 10 minutes left on the timer, it would run out and all hell would break loose.

I couldnt find a screen cap, but my Tivo confirms that he clock was a 47 minutes when Locke heard the "broadcast". You'd think they'd have put something in the orientation film about getting in the room with the computer if it takes 47+ minutes to make the drop ...

Remember, ideally, there would have been 2 people in the hatch at all times. Brings me to the conclusion that one person was meant to be in that room and the other by the computer. If this is the case, as I think it would be, the map was not drawn by Desmond. Maybe Kelvin drew it or maybe someone before them but there could have also been a blast door separating the computer from the outside as well. We did not see it because we did not see what Henry was doing. The artist of the map... is unknown. To think it was Desmond is giving him to much credit me thinks. After all it appeared Desmond was never really outside. He knew of the door to get outside but thought he would get sick. Once the plane people showed up he knew he would not get sick and left. I dont think Desmond really ever explored the outside. Maybe Kelvin was apart of DHARMA and would visit with the people outside for 40 minutes when the drop happened or maybe Kelvin brought the stuff in from the outside in that time.

 

[apalmer]

Speaking of the blast door the common theory is that it comes down during the resupply drop.  But if that's the case wouldn't it only be down for 10-15 minutes at a time every 6-8 months?  Wouldn't you pick a more accessible place to draw your secret, visible underblacklight only, map?  Why not on the bottome of the ping pong table?

maybe because its too hard to paint a map of secret bunkers and notes of possible accidents/magnetic interference/code words of cerebrus and polar bears while laying on your back?

Or maybe you want to make sure the map is someplace where it won't be found if there is a surprise inspection by whoever is running the show and told you not to explore.

 

[Buckychudd]

I was thinking of this also.  But didn't Locke look at the timer when the siren or whatever went off, and it was at 47 minutes.  And the timer went off when the door was down, so you would have 45 minutes to draw on the door.

Obviously the mpa drawer was on that side of the door.  What if the drop happened with 10 minutes left on the timer, it would run out and all hell would break loose.

I couldnt find a screen cap, but my Tivo confirms that he clock was a 47 minutes when Locke heard the "broadcast". You'd think they'd have put something in the orientation film about getting in the room with the computer if it takes 47+ minutes to make the drop ...

Or perhaps the broadcast gave explicit instructions that he couldn't understand since the speaker was busted.

 

[Buckychudd]

I was thinking of this also.  But didn't Locke look at the timer when the siren or whatever went off, and it was at 47 minutes.  And the timer went off when the door was down, so you would have 45 minutes to draw on the door.

Obviously the mpa drawer was on that side of the door.  What if the drop happened with 10 minutes left on the timer, it would run out and all hell would break loose.

I couldnt find a screen cap, but my Tivo confirms that he clock was a 47 minutes when Locke heard the "broadcast". You'd think they'd have put something in the orientation film about getting in the room with the computer if it takes 47+ minutes to make the drop ...

Remember, ideally, there would have been 2 people in the hatch at all times. Brings me to the conclusion that one person was meant to be in that room and the other by the computer. If this is the case, as I think it would be, the map was not drawn by Desmond. Maybe Kelvin drew it or maybe someone before them but there could have also been a blast door separating the computer from the outside as well. We did not see it because we did not see what Henry was doing. The artist of the map... is unknown. To think it was Desmond is giving him to much credit me thinks. After all it appeared Desmond was never really outside. He knew of the door to get outside but thought he would get sick. Once the plane people showed up he knew he would not get sick and left. I dont think Desmond really ever explored the outside. Maybe Kelvin was apart of DHARMA and would visit with the people outside for 40 minutes when the drop happened or maybe Kelvin brought the stuff in from the outside in that time.

Maybe it was Desmond and that's where he was heading after the survivors took over pushing the button.....to explore the places he couldn't reach in 108 minutes.

 

[stbugs]

Speaking of the blast door the common theory is that it comes down during the resupply drop.  But if that's the case wouldn't it only be down for 10-15 minutes at a time every 6-8 months?  Wouldn't you pick a more accessible place to draw your secret, visible underblacklight only, map?  Why not on the bottome of the ping pong table?

maybe because its too hard to paint a map of secret bunkers and notes of possible accidents/magnetic interference/code words of cerebrus and polar bears while laying on your back?

Or maybe you want to make sure the map is someplace where it won't be found if there is a surprise inspection by whoever is running the show and told you not to explore.

Reasonable though that I agree with.

If Desmond really isn't part of the Others that know what is going on, no way to know yet, then it isn't out of the question that he or a former patsie did do some exploring and drew up that map in a hidden location so that only they knew it was drawn.

Don't forget the bearded man was upset at Ethan for grabbing Claire saying she wasn't on the list and that Alex helped Claire escape. While we may find out that this was all part of the master plan, some of the Others may not be 100% in league with the guys running the whole show. If that is the case, then it is reasonable for the map to be "hidden."

 

[prosopis]

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Speaking of the blast door the common theory is that it comes down during the resupply drop.  But if that's the case wouldn't it only be down for 10-15 minutes at a time every 6-8 months?  Wouldn't you pick a more accessible place to draw your secret, visible underblacklight only, map?  Why not on the bottome of the ping pong table?

maybe because its too hard to paint a map of secret bunkers and notes of possible accidents/magnetic interference/code words of cerebrus and polar bears while laying on your back?

Or maybe you want to make sure the map is someplace where it won't be found if there is a surprise inspection by whoever is running the show and told you not to explore.

Reasonable though that I agree with.

Obviously the map was put in a difficult-to-see location because the people that drew it didn't want it to be seen by other people that might come into the hatch. But I'm not sure how we know who actually drew it and who they were trying to keep it away from. Couldn't it just have easily been drawn by the "people running the show?"

 

[stbugs]

By the way, loved the episode last week. As Levin mentioned a few pages back, the show is definitely picking up steam coming into the last 1/3 of the season.

I think we can finally shoot, kill, and maim the purgatory, I mean pergotory , theory! Sorry, I had to bring it up since I still can't believe how long that thing hung around.

 

[stbugs]

Speaking of the blast door the common theory is that it comes down during the resupply drop.  But if that's the case wouldn't it only be down for 10-15 minutes at a time every 6-8 months?  Wouldn't you pick a more accessible place to draw your secret, visible underblacklight only, map?  Why not on the bottome of the ping pong table?

maybe because its too hard to paint a map of secret bunkers and notes of possible accidents/magnetic interference/code words of cerebrus and polar bears while laying on your back?

Or maybe you want to make sure the map is someplace where it won't be found if there is a surprise inspection by whoever is running the show and told you not to explore.

Reasonable though that I agree with.

Obviously the map was put in a difficult-to-see location because the people that drew it didn't want it to be seen by other people that might come into the hatch. But I'm not sure how we know who actually drew it and who they were trying to keep it away from. Couldn't it just have easily been drawn by the "people running the show?"

Absolutely could have been. Until the "series" finale, there is no way for us to know what is rebellion and what is part of the master plan.I just thought apalmer's post was very reasonable. If there are two people in the hatch during the drop, one probably was sealed inside while the other was in the computer room (not sure if that was sealed as well). If the person in Locke's room was not in on the whole thing, then that would have been the best opportunity for him/her to draw out a map without the other noticing. Two things needed to be hidden, the map and the actual drawing of the map and that sure seemed like the best time and place to do it.

Also, if you look at the drawing, it definitely looks like it was done at different times, i.e. pieces were added/crossed off as time went on, lending creedence to the thought that it was drawn during multiple replenishment drops.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I just thought apalmer's post was very reasonable. If there are two people in the hatch during the drop, one probably was sealed inside while the other was in the computer room (not sure if that was sealed as well). If the person in Locke's room was not in on the whole thing, then that would have been the best opportunity for him/her to draw out a map without the other noticing. Two things needed to be hidden, the map and the actual drawing of the map and that sure seemed like the best time and place to do it.

Also, if you look at the drawing, it definitely looks like it was done at different times, i.e. pieces were added/crossed off as time went on, lending creedence to the thought that it was drawn during multiple replenishment drops.

That does make a lot of sense.

 

[Crimson Hawk]

I just realized that Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond) was also "Theo Stoller" from 24.

 

[stbugs]

I am also very interested in Henry Gale at this point. Is he a real mole or is he kind of an unwilling Other. Think of Alex, she wasn't in on the whole thing, but she was kind of brought up by the Others. Maybe some of the folks are brainwashed, etc., but Alex seems to be a bit of a rebel in helping Claire. Yes, it may be all part of the master plan, but I don't think it is.

I have a feeling that Henry will end up helping the crash survivors. He is definitely screwing with Locke, but I think that he was doing that moreso to get Locke to trust him, even if he was found out.

At this point, I think the Others are in multiple camps:

1. The leaders - We have no idea who they are but with last week's previews and Ethan and Zeke's discussions, we know that they are there and they decide what is going to happen. Only Claire has recollection of this, but I don't think she has any idea about that, but it seems like the 815 leaders will find this out from Henry.

2. The sub-serviant non-leaders - I would put Zeke into this group. I think this group is mainly the Dharma folks that have probably been on the island the whole time and know everything that is going on. I would also put Ethan and Goodwin in this group among the people we know so far. Ethan strayed a bit, I think because he had a thing for Claire, but based on hanging Charlie and killing Scott/Steve, he was hardcore.

3. The could be rebellious non-leaders. This includes Alex and I think Henry. This could also include the children from the tail section and Walt. They may know something, but I think they don't know enough that they will question what they might be doing. The children from the tail section and Walt may also not even realize yet that the castaway shtick is just that.

4. The workers. I think that there may be Dharma workers that have no idea what is going on. Right now I classify Desmond in that group because if we take him at his word, he just got suckered into pressing the button and knows little else.

 

[Alias]

Ok so when Desmond was in the hatch by himself how did he manage?

Is that where all of those mirrors that he had setup come into play?

This is assuming Desmond was not "in on it"

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Ok so when Desmond was in the hatch by himself how did he manage?

Is that where all of those mirrors that he had setup come into play?

This is assuming Desmond was not "in on it"

Seems like Desmond should have told Locke "every few months a bunch of doors come down and if you're in the wrong place you won't be able to punch the numbers into the computer."

 

[stbugs]

I just thought apalmer's post was very reasonable. If there are two people in the hatch during the drop, one probably was sealed inside while the other was in the computer room (not sure if that was sealed as well). If the person in Locke's room was not in on the whole thing, then that would have been the best opportunity for him/her to draw out a map without the other noticing. Two things needed to be hidden, the map and the actual drawing of the map and that sure seemed like the best time and place to do it.

Also, if you look at the drawing, it definitely looks like it was done at different times, i.e. pieces were added/crossed off as time went on, lending creedence to the thought that it was drawn during multiple replenishment drops.

That does make a lot of sense.

I think we are going to see more of the inner workings of the entire Dharma projects and realize that it isn't all planned out. Unfortunately, I think it will take us a while to find out what the "incident" was and what is still going on experiment-wise. I think the smoke monster fits squarely into the incident. Maybe the food drops still occur, but there isn't anyone at the Hanso foundation really pulling the strings anymore, but Zeke et al. are still living like that is the case.Again, this is all just my opinion as I was wrong about Henry. I just kept thinking that they were pushing the Other angle too much to surprise us. Maybe he will end up helping the 815 folks and isn't a pure-bred Dharma guy like Zeke and Ethan who will kill people to keep things running.

 

[stbugs]

Ok so when Desmond was in the hatch by himself how did he manage?

Is that where all of those mirrors that he had setup come into play?

This is assuming Desmond was not "in on it"

Seems like Desmond should have told Locke "every few months a bunch of doors come down and if you're in the wrong place you won't be able to punch the numbers into the computer."

I thought all of the scenes with Desmond happened pretty quickly though. Did he really have a chance to tell them everything? Didn't Locke learn more about the numbers and entering them in from the orientation film? Desmond just told Locke to enter the numbers when he was still holding them at gunpoint in the beginning. They (Jack, Locke and Desmond) only had that really quick coffee table discussion before the computer was accidentally shot, so I don't think there was enough time to discuss everything.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Ok so when Desmond was in the hatch by himself how did he manage?

Is that where all of those mirrors that he had setup come into play?

This is assuming Desmond was not "in on it"

Seems like Desmond should have told Locke "every few months a bunch of doors come down and if you're in the wrong place you won't be able to punch the numbers into the computer."

I thought all of the scenes with Desmond happened pretty quickly though. Did he really have a chance to tell them everything? Didn't Locke learn more about the numbers and entering them in from the orientation film? Desmond just told Locke to enter the numbers when he was still holding them at gunpoint in the beginning. They (Jack, Locke and Desmond) only had that really quick coffee table discussion before the computer was accidentally shot, so I don't think there was enough time to discuss everything.

You're probably right. Desmond took off under the assumption that they wouldn't get the computer fixed in time to enter the numbers at all. The last thing he was thinking about was that a month later the doors might drop. So I'm not sure we can draw any conclusion from his failure to give more info. I was thinking that maybe the fact that Desmond didn't say anything about the lockdowns was evidence about his motives and/or knowledge.

 

[stbugs]

Ok so when Desmond was in the hatch by himself how did he manage?

Is that where all of those mirrors that he had setup come into play?

This is assuming Desmond was not "in on it"

Seems like Desmond should have told Locke "every few months a bunch of doors come down and if you're in the wrong place you won't be able to punch the numbers into the computer."

I thought all of the scenes with Desmond happened pretty quickly though. Did he really have a chance to tell them everything? Didn't Locke learn more about the numbers and entering them in from the orientation film? Desmond just told Locke to enter the numbers when he was still holding them at gunpoint in the beginning. They (Jack, Locke and Desmond) only had that really quick coffee table discussion before the computer was accidentally shot, so I don't think there was enough time to discuss everything.

You're probably right. Desmond took off under the assumption that they wouldn't get the computer fixed in time to enter the numbers at all. The last thing he was thinking about was that a month later the doors might drop. So I'm not sure we can draw any conclusion from his failure to give more info. I was thinking that maybe the fact that Desmond didn't say anything about the lockdowns was evidence about his motives and/or knowledge.

True. I think we agree that there wasn't enough time to figure out his motives. He could have run away because a) he was a patsy and just figured he would get as far away from "incident" #2 or b) he was in on the whole thing, but with the computer damaged his cover would have been blown because he knew what would happen at 0 and he didn't want to be caught.Note that for b), Desmond would have known that Ethan/Goodwin/other Others were killed by the 815 survivors, so if he lied about the doomsday scenario, he might have been killed as well. I think there is just as good a reason for both cases. I tend to think that he was a patsy just because we have yet to see any other Others that interacted with people outside of the island, so we at least know that Desmond was a recent castaway, not one of the originals.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I tend to think that he was a patsy just because we have yet to see any other Others that interacted with people outside of the island, so we at least know that Desmond was a recent castaway, not one of the originals.

He's the only non-Flight 815 island resident we've seen in a pre-crash flashback. To me that seems to make it more likely he's not just a patsy. But admittedly there's not much to go on here.

 

[stbugs]

I tend to think that he was a patsy just because we have yet to see any other Others that interacted with people outside of the island, so we at least know that Desmond was a recent castaway, not one of the originals.

He's the only non-Flight 815 island resident we've seen in a pre-crash flashback. To me that seems to make it more likely he's not just a patsy. But admittedly there's not much to go on here.

Possible. Kind of like everything else, without knowing the whole truth, it is easy to pick reasons for boths sides. If I saw any other Others in flashbacks then I would agree with you that they planned the whole thing out and picked folks out to be on flight 815.Actually, we are supposed to see why flight 815 crashed and I think that would definitely shed more light on Desmond. If we find out that 815 crashing was purely a coincidence/accident then I think that leads me to believe that it was coincidence that Desmond ran into Jack and that he too, crashed on the island. If 815 crashing was pre-meditated then I agree with you that Desmond may have been observing Jack.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I tend to think that he was a patsy just because we have yet to see any other Others that interacted with people outside of the island, so we at least know that Desmond was a recent castaway, not one of the originals.

He's the only non-Flight 815 island resident we've seen in a pre-crash flashback. To me that seems to make it more likely he's not just a patsy. But admittedly there's not much to go on here.

Possible. Kind of like everything else, without knowing the whole truth, it is easy to pick reasons for boths sides. If I saw any other Others in flashbacks then I would agree with you that they planned the whole thing out and picked folks out to be on flight 815.Actually, we are supposed to see why flight 815 crashed and I think that would definitely shed more light on Desmond. If we find out that 815 crashing was purely a coincidence/accident then I think that leads me to believe that it was coincidence that Desmond ran into Jack and that he too, crashed on the island. If 815 crashing was pre-meditated then I agree with you that Desmond may have been observing Jack.

I don't see any way the crash can have been a pure accident/coincidence. Seems like all the flashbacks suggest that these particular people were meant to be on that island. And Claire's "psychic" certainly seemed to know that the plane would crash.

 

[stbugs]

I tend to think that he was a patsy just because we have yet to see any other Others that interacted with people outside of the island, so we at least know that Desmond was a recent castaway, not one of the originals.

He's the only non-Flight 815 island resident we've seen in a pre-crash flashback. To me that seems to make it more likely he's not just a patsy. But admittedly there's not much to go on here.

Possible. Kind of like everything else, without knowing the whole truth, it is easy to pick reasons for boths sides. If I saw any other Others in flashbacks then I would agree with you that they planned the whole thing out and picked folks out to be on flight 815.Actually, we are supposed to see why flight 815 crashed and I think that would definitely shed more light on Desmond. If we find out that 815 crashing was purely a coincidence/accident then I think that leads me to believe that it was coincidence that Desmond ran into Jack and that he too, crashed on the island. If 815 crashing was pre-meditated then I agree with you that Desmond may have been observing Jack.

I don't see any way the crash can have been a pure accident/coincidence. Seems like all the flashbacks suggest that these particular people were meant to be on that island. And Claire's "psychic" certainly seemed to know that the plane would crash.

Not sure I agree with that. I kind of thought that all of the flashbacks were more trying to show the "tragic" aspect of it, i.e. showing the little things that ended up putting all those people onto that flight. For example, if Sun actually leaves Jin, then neither one of them end up on the plane.I think no matter who was on the plane, the flashbacks would still show the weird things that happened to lead them to get onto the flight that crashed. I had a business trip to Cleveland with a co-worker where we ran down to the gate and got the attendant to open the doors and let us on. Needless to say, the weather was bad and we joked about how maybe we weren't supposed to be on that flight. Well, when the little puddle jumper was getting tossed around and I was looking right at the Cayuhoga (sp?) river because the plane was almost on its side, it was not fun anymore. Thankfully, nothing happened.

As to the psychic, if he really is psychic then he knew about the plane crash and whatever else might happen. I guess the thing we don't know is what the problem with Aaron would have been if she gave him up for adoption.

 

[rick6668]

I tend to think that he was a patsy just because we have yet to see any other Others that interacted with people outside of the island, so we at least know that Desmond was a recent castaway, not one of the originals.

He's the only non-Flight 815 island resident we've seen in a pre-crash flashback. To me that seems to make it more likely he's not just a patsy. But admittedly there's not much to go on here.

Possible. Kind of like everything else, without knowing the whole truth, it is easy to pick reasons for boths sides. If I saw any other Others in flashbacks then I would agree with you that they planned the whole thing out and picked folks out to be on flight 815.Actually, we are supposed to see why flight 815 crashed and I think that would definitely shed more light on Desmond. If we find out that 815 crashing was purely a coincidence/accident then I think that leads me to believe that it was coincidence that Desmond ran into Jack and that he too, crashed on the island. If 815 crashing was pre-meditated then I agree with you that Desmond may have been observing Jack.

I don't see any way the crash can have been a pure accident/coincidence. Seems like all the flashbacks suggest that these particular people were meant to be on that island. And Claire's "psychic" certainly seemed to know that the plane would crash.

Not sure I agree with that. I kind of thought that all of the flashbacks were more trying to show the "tragic" aspect of it, i.e. showing the little things that ended up putting all those people onto that flight. For example, if Sun actually leaves Jin, then neither one of them end up on the plane.I think no matter who was on the plane, the flashbacks would still show the weird things that happened to lead them to get onto the flight that crashed. I had a business trip to Cleveland with a co-worker where we ran down to the gate and got the attendant to open the doors and let us on. Needless to say, the weather was bad and we joked about how maybe we weren't supposed to be on that flight. Well, when the little puddle jumper was getting tossed around and I was looking right at the Cayuhoga (sp?) river because the plane was almost on its side, it was not fun anymore. Thankfully, nothing happened.

As to the psychic, if he really is psychic then he knew about the plane crash and whatever else might happen. I guess the thing we don't know is what the problem with Aaron would have been if she gave him up for adoption.

His point is more about the flashbacks showing people who really don't know eachother appearing in other people's flashbacks. There is just TOO much coincidence for all those people to have bumped into eachother.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

His point is more about the flashbacks showing people who really don't know eachother appearing in other people's flashbacks. There is just TOO much coincidence for all those people to have bumped into eachother.

Exactly. Unless maybe the flashbacks aren't real flashbacks.

 

[stbugs]

His point is more about the flashbacks showing people who really don't know eachother appearing in other people's flashbacks.  There is just TOO much coincidence for all those people to have bumped into eachother.

Exactly. Unless maybe the flashbacks aren't real flashbacks.

I gotcha and understand. I thought it was mainly just about Desmond. We have to be careful since this is just a TV show and there may be more interaction in flashbacks just because of that.Out of all of the interactions, were there any that actually affected the survivors in any way? Jack choosing not to save Shannon's dad affected her, but he seemed to choose because Jack's future wife was clearly the most "savable." Any other doctor probably does the same and Shannon's dad was probably just done for. Sawyer meeting Jack's dad didn't change anything there except that Sawyer told Jack something nice about his dad after the fact.

Oh well, again I understand, but I do think that why the plane crashed will tell us a lot more than people expect. If the crash was or wasn't an accident plays a huge part in the story.

 

[(HULK)]

His point is more about the flashbacks showing people who really don't know eachother appearing in other people's flashbacks. There is just TOO much coincidence for all those people to have bumped into eachother.

NARRATORIn the New York Herald, November 26,

year 1911, there is an account of the

hanging of three men --

...they died for the murder of

Sir Edmund William Godfrey --

-- Husband, Father, Pharmacist and all

around gentle-man resident of --

Greenberry Hill, London. He was murdered

by three vagrants whose motive was simple robbery.

They were identified as:

...Joseph Green.....

...Stanley Berry....

...and Nigel Hill...

Green, Berry and Hill.

...And I Would Like To Think This

Was Only A Matter Of Chance.

As reported in the Reno Gazzette, June

of 1983 there is the story of a fire ---

--- the water that it took to

contain the fire --

-- and a scuba diver named Delmer Darion.

Employee of the Peppermill Hotel and

Casino, Reno, Nevada. Engaged as

a blackjack dealer --

-- well liked and well regarded as a

physical, recreational and sporting sort --

Delmer's true passion was for the lake --

-- as reported by the coroner, Delmer

died of a heart attack somewhere between

the lake and the tree. But most curious

side note is the suicide the next day

of Craig Hansen --

...volunteer firefighter, estranged

father of four and a poor tendency

to drink -- Mr. Hansen was the pilot

of the plane that quite accidentally

lifted Delmer Darion out of the water --

-- added to this, Mr. Hansen's

tortured life met before with

Delmer Darion just two nights previous --

The weight of the guilt and the

measure of coincidence so large,

Craig Hansen took his life.

And I Am Trying To Think This Was All

Only A Matter Of Chance.

The tale told at a 1961 awards dinner

for the American Association Of Forensic

Science by Dr. Donald Harper, president

of the association, began with a simple

suicide attempt --

Seventeen year old Sydney Barringer.

In the city of Los Angeles on March 23, 1958.

The coroner ruled that the unsuccessful

suicide had suddenly become a succesful

homicide. To explain:

The suicide was confirmed by a note,

left in the breast pocket

of Sydney Barringer --

At the same time young Sydney stood

on the ledge of this nine story building,

an argument swelled three stories below --

The neighbors heard, as they usually

did, the arguing of the tenants --

-- and it was not uncommon for them

to threaten each other with a shotgun

or one of the many handguns kept in the

house --

And when the shotgun accidentaly went off,

Sydney just happend to pass --

Added to this, the two tenants turned

out to be: Fay and Arthur Barringer.

Sydney's mother and Sydney's father.

When confronted with the charge, which took

some figuring out for the officers on

the scene of the crime, Fay Barringer

swore that she did not know that the gun

was loaded.

A young boy who lived in the building,

sometimes a vistor and friend to Sydney

Barringer said that he had seen,

six days prior the loading of the shotgun --

It seems that the arguing and the

fighting and all of the violence was far

too much for Sydney Barringer and knowing

his mother and father's tendency to fight,

he decided to do something --

He said he wanted them to kill

each other, that all they wanted to

do was kill each other and he would

help them if that's what they wanted to do --

Sydney Barringer jumps from the ninth floor rooftop --

His parents argue three stories below --

Her accidental shotgun blast hits Sydney

in the stomach as he passes the arguing

He is killed instantly but continues

to fall -- only to find, three stories

below -- a safety net installed

three days prior for a set of window washers

that would have broken his fall and saved

his life if not for the hole in his stomach.

So Fay Barringer was charged with the

murder of her son and Sydney Barringer

noted as an accomplice in his own death...

...and it is in the humble opinion of this

narrator that this is not just "Something

That Happened." This cannot be "One of those

things..." This, please, cannot be that.

And for what I would like to say, I can't.

This Was Not Just A Matter Of Chance.

Ohhhh. These strange things happen all the time.

 

[Brewdude]

Have you actually watched this show???

Check the post counts.

To clarify, that was sarcasm. Very few things on this show are as they seem.I don't believe Kelvin is dead--it's too simple and there's been no evidence of him found. I think he's Dharma.

Here's what I think is happening:

- Dharma runs experiments on people, animals and nature

- Danielle and Desmond's ship wrecks were assisted by trained ocean animals. Remember we saw the shark...what other creatures have been worked with?

- Kelvin knew Desmond would be crashing. He came running out of the woods a few minutes later and told Desmond to run

- Kelvin told Desmond about the numbers, showed him the ropes and warned him about the island. He probably said something like "if you stay out there too long, the disease (or incident) will tear you apart"

- With the seed firmly planted, Kelvin took off on some kind of dangerous mission to get food, etc

- Kelvin never returned

- Kelvin had gained Desmond's trust, so Desmond assumed "it" got Kelvin and is scared sh-tless of "it"

- Desmond thinks he knows of someplace safe and took off to get there after the computer was destroyed. This is where Desmond is now.

- At some point in the future, the survivors will find Desmond holed up in another bunker

- The survivors will also find (may have found?) Kelvin

 

[Bobcat10]

Cayuhoga

Cuyahoga. So when do we think Kate and/or Claire tells somebody about the medical hatch? You would think Kate would have told Jack by now. It will also be interesting to see how Locke handles the situation with the map. Could we tell how close he was? Not sure how detailed of a look he could have gotten, but maybe he sees the trend of hatches and starts exploring again (if his leg is OK).

 

[stbugs]

Cayuhoga

Cuyahoga. So when do we think Kate and/or Claire tells somebody about the medical hatch? You would think Kate would have told Jack by now.

It will also be interesting to see how Locke handles the situation with the map. Could we tell how close he was? Not sure how detailed of a look he could have gotten, but maybe he sees the trend of hatches and starts exploring again (if his leg is OK).

Hey I was close and I did put that (sp?) in since I knew there were some folks from Cleveland here!It is still weird with all of the secrecy. You would think that the first person they would have told was Jack since he is the doctor. Locke won't tell anyone, unless he is smart, which so far I don't think he is. Locke marches to his own tune, but he has shown over and over how to make the wrong decision and keep making it.

Also, Locke is going to have to find some help because he ain't going to be exploring anytime soon, maybe he will finally open up and tell everyone about the map.