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Ana Lucia pointed out that Goodwin appeared from the jungle 10 minutes after the crash.Just like Goodwin was.....
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caabeel
Footballguy
All I know is when you have a plane on the island that was carrying drugs from Nigeria with dead guys dressed in priest getup and you have a Nigerian man on the island who appears to be religious, anything is possible.This thread doesn't suck, you do..... 
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caabeel
Footballguy
And you saw them all come out of the tail end of the plane?No but we didTrue, but do you think she saw EVERYBODY that came out of the water? Or that went into it?Ana Lucia pointed out that Goodwin appeared from the jungle 10 minutes after the crash.Just like Goodwin was.....
shadyridr
Footballguy
No but I saw Eko instantaneously after the crash rescuing people in a suit. Id find it pretty hard to believe that he just so happened was standing on that beach and that if he was on the Nigerian drug plane he would be wearing a suit.And you saw them all come out of the tail end of the plane?No but we didTrue, but do you think she saw EVERYBODY that came out of the water? Or that went into it?Ana Lucia pointed out that Goodwin appeared from the jungle 10 minutes after the crash.Just like Goodwin was.....
saintfool
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Cabeel, I am sort of with you on this. IIRC, we first see him on the beach. We do not see Eko emerging from the water with the others. In an island/show that is filled with coincidences, I find it pretty damn incredible that a Nigerian priest is not somehow connected to the drug smuggler's body, who just happened to be a priest from Nigeria. By the clips for the next episode, they are confronting this all. Perhaps he had been in hiding after the drug plane crashed, perhaps as a result of a Dharma experiment, and arrived on the scene moments after the Tailies crashed?And you saw them all come out of the tail end of the plane?No but we didTrue, but do you think she saw EVERYBODY that came out of the water? Or that went into it?Ana Lucia pointed out that Goodwin appeared from the jungle 10 minutes after the crash.Just like Goodwin was.....
Buckychudd
Footballguy
One other possiblity.He was on the tail section, but is connected to the drug plane. Someone he knows was on it, or he was involved in the smuggling operation but not actually on the plane?Cabeel, I am sort of with you on this. IIRC, we first see him on the beach. We do not see Eko emerging from the water with the others. In an island/show that is filled with coincidences, I find it pretty damn incredible that a Nigerian priest is not somehow connected to the drug smuggler's body, who just happened to be a priest from Nigeria. By the clips for the next episode, they are confronting this all. Perhaps he had been in hiding after the drug plane crashed, perhaps as a result of a Dharma experiment, and arrived on the scene moments after the Tailies crashed?And you saw them all come out of the tail end of the plane?No but we didTrue, but do you think she saw EVERYBODY that came out of the water? Or that went into it?Ana Lucia pointed out that Goodwin appeared from the jungle 10 minutes after the crash.Just like Goodwin was.....
Screeeechhhhh......OK, let's bring the Eko thing to a halt. From what we have seen, he was on flight 815. Unlike Goodwin/Nathan (who actually was on the plance), the producers/directors intentionally didn't show them to us to make us try and figure out who was not on the plane. The used the Canada home and Nathan/Ethan name to trick us, but once Anna figured it out, we all realized that we didn't see Goodwin in the initial crash like we did Anna, Eko, Libby, Cindy (? Flight Attendant), and the kids. I don't remember Bernard, but Rose has confirmed that as well.If Cabeel wants to speculate, then he is free to do so, but I think the "this thread sucks" people would like to see more "this is just speculation and my theory". I don't care much, because I know when people are just throwing things out there.
Now there is a good thought.Don't laugh, but I think the show has been pretty honest with us in terms of what we have seen. What I mean by that is when Eko is in the water 2 seconds after the crash in a nice suit, then they are telling us he was on the plane, but that doesn't mean that there is no other connection to the Nigerian drug plane because we haven't seen anything about the drug plane crashing.One other possiblity.He was on the tail section, but is connected to the drug plane. Someone he knows was on it, or he was involved in the smuggling operation but not actually on the plane?Cabeel, I am sort of with you on this. IIRC, we first see him on the beach. We do not see Eko emerging from the water with the others. In an island/show that is filled with coincidences, I find it pretty damn incredible that a Nigerian priest is not somehow connected to the drug smuggler's body, who just happened to be a priest from Nigeria. By the clips for the next episode, they are confronting this all. Perhaps he had been in hiding after the drug plane crashed, perhaps as a result of a Dharma experiment, and arrived on the scene moments after the Tailies crashed?And you saw them all come out of the tail end of the plane?No but we didTrue, but do you think she saw EVERYBODY that came out of the water? Or that went into it?Ana Lucia pointed out that Goodwin appeared from the jungle 10 minutes after the crash.Just like Goodwin was.....
I don't think that the show has actually misled our eyes yet, we may have missed something, but they haven't pulled something like Eko being on the drug plane and hiding in a bunker at the beach in a nice suit waiting for the plane to crash and then infiltrate the tailies.
saintfool
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I don't think that after the crash the people were instantly upon the beach. Disoriented both by impact and location (water), it would take several minutes for survivors to reach the beach. The sound of the crash would draw someone to the beach, like Goodwin proved. The only reason Goodwin was exposed was because he screwed up with Nathan. AL was convinced that Nathan was the mole, keeping him in the pit. If Eko doesn't play himself, he could remain incognito (who might check the passenger list now?). He seems to have no malicious intent, quite unlike the Others.
bryhamm
Footballguy
There is a rumor that one of the episodes this season is from the island's point of view. Maybe they will cover how the drug plane crashed and how the Black Rock ended up so far inland.Now there is a good thought.Don't laugh, but I think the show has been pretty honest with us in terms of what we have seen. What I mean by that is when Eko is in the water 2 seconds after the crash in a nice suit, then they are telling us he was on the plane, but that doesn't mean that there is no other connection to the Nigerian drug plane because we haven't seen anything about the drug plane crashing.One other possiblity.He was on the tail section, but is connected to the drug plane. Someone he knows was on it, or he was involved in the smuggling operation but not actually on the plane?Cabeel, I am sort of with you on this. IIRC, we first see him on the beach. We do not see Eko emerging from the water with the others. In an island/show that is filled with coincidences, I find it pretty damn incredible that a Nigerian priest is not somehow connected to the drug smuggler's body, who just happened to be a priest from Nigeria. By the clips for the next episode, they are confronting this all. Perhaps he had been in hiding after the drug plane crashed, perhaps as a result of a Dharma experiment, and arrived on the scene moments after the Tailies crashed?And you saw them all come out of the tail end of the plane?No but we didTrue, but do you think she saw EVERYBODY that came out of the water? Or that went into it?Ana Lucia pointed out that Goodwin appeared from the jungle 10 minutes after the crash.Just like Goodwin was.....
I don't think that the show has actually misled our eyes yet, we may have missed something, but they haven't pulled something like Eko being on the drug plane and hiding in a bunker at the beach in a nice suit waiting for the plane to crash and then infiltrate the tailies.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Nathan's "disappearance" facilitated Ana's suspicions, as she was quite content to keep Nathan in the pit. I'm not saying that AL wouldn't have been able to figure it out later but at the time she seemed convinced that Nathan was the mole. His disappearance, coupled with Goodwin's suspicious actions afterwards, led her to re-think things. Goodwin ####ed himself, AL didn't suddenly become Columbo there.We didn't see Bernard on the plane but certainly his appearance up a tree, in the seat no less, would leave most people to think he was on that plane.
I'll grant you that it is reasonable to assume that Eko was on the Oceanic flight. Like you say, he has the clean clothes and appeared on the scene seemingly instantly. We have little reason to think otherwise too and that's important here. However, the writers of the show seem to revel in the possibilities. It is plausible, however remote, to think he was with the other Nigerian priest on the drug plane. we might know more next week...
Are you sure? We have only seen 8 or 9 so far. That would suck.BTW, saintfool, I like bucky's idea that Eko was connected to the drug plane somehow, not that he was on the plane. The writers have us going in all different directions, but at least they have been good at not lying to us, at least not yet. They don't show us everything or tell us everything, but what we see and what we have heard hasn't been BS. Not that characters haven't lied or made up things, but we as the audience (similar to watching the confessions on Survivor) know when they do that. I think the fan base would be a little bit upset if they pulled something like that because it would almost mean that they "rewrote" something because it didn't quite work.The next new episode airs January 11
Sack-Religious.
Footballguy
Did anyone else notice that when the computer started "beeping" when Michael was fiddling with the wiring that the countdown timer stopped at 52 minutes flat?Did the timer stop because someone communicated with the computer, or did something Michael did stop the timer? Previously in the episode, Locked touched keys on the computer to show Michael that you couldn't input anything until the timer reached 4 minutes, so this would explain why Michael had the look of surprise on his face when the letter H appeared on the screen as he started to type "Hello"Is it actually Walt communicating? Who knows, but since the people who dragged off the tailies knew all their names and appearances, it's not really a stretch to think they have some sort of passenger manifest to go from, either.The message from "Walt" also appeared at exactly the same time that the previously removed section of the Orientation film was saying to not use the computer for anything but entering the numbers. All of this cannot be coincidence.Re: The Nigerian drug plane - People keep referring to the priests on the drug plane. I think it's a fairly safe assumption that since they had heroin hidden in statues of the Virgin Mary and guns, that they weren't actual priests, and that they were only dressed that way to correspond with their cargo to not arouse suspicion. While there is speculation that Eko is a priest, this has not yet been confirmed, so aside from the obvious Nigerian link, I can't see why they'd be linked.
diesel7982
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IIRC, the timer only counts down by the minute until the last 4 mins. Is that right?
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Irregardless.
Actually it was 51:00 I believe. Not sure of the significance but I'm sure there is some.Edit: I think deisel is right about seconds only ticking off after the 4:00 minute mark.
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Sack-Religious.
Footballguy
I'm sure in previous episodes you see the seconds count down as well at times above 4 minutes, but I could be wrong.Also, any speculation on why Sayid was on the TV in the Army recruitment office? My guess, is similar to Hurley's massive lotto win, Sayid being arrested in Australia prior to infiltrating his boyhood friends terror network. The timing isn't right for after the plot was foiled as Sayid was on a plane out of Oz within 72 hours, IRRC, and Kate still has to get to Australia, meet the old widower, stay with him for a while and then leave there, too.If it's not his "arrest" prior to the bomb plot, I have no clue why he'd be on TV.
Sack-Religious.
Footballguy
If it was 51:00, my bad. But, I'm sure that in previous episodes as the timer reverts back to 4:08:00, you see it immediately go to 4:07:59. Unfortunately I don't have TIVO or any of those episodes on tape, so if someone could confirm, that'd be great.
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Irregardless.
Whoa. You're out thinking yourself. There are only 5 digits. 3 black minute holders and 2 white second holders.
Here's a picture of it resetting just to get an idea of what it looks like. But I do vaguely remember what you're talking about.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name...bum=829&pos=283
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Brewdude
Footballguy
Kate was in Australia for a couple of months before she was caught.The Marshall made a comment last night about taking her back to Iowa, so I think she'd already crossed state lines, which puts her in federal jurisdiction. Premeditated murder and insurance fraud is definitely a crime worthy of federal pursuit.
BTW, hopefully everyone noticed that her name is really Kathrine.
Brewdude
Footballguy
Yep, it was the cliff hanger we were left with. Here's what happened:
Micheal is messing with the back of the computer, just checking things out. A strange beep is heard and he looks at the time, which says 51:00. The beeping is heard again and he goes around to the front.
On the screen is the word "Hello?" with the prompt below it. Michael looks around to see who else is there. You can hear the film in the background with Locke and Eko watching it.
Michael sits down and types "Hello?" The response comes "Who is this?" Michael types "This is Michael. Who is this?"
After a short pause, the word "Dad?" appears on the screen. Michael's jaw drops, the episode ends with "Dad?" taking up the entire TV.
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Irregardless.
Don't forget right before Michael started typing, Locke and Eko spliced the film together and learned never to use the computer for communication or it could lead to another "incident"
aardball44
Footballguy
Do we have any idea as to when the drug plane crashed on the island? I can't remember the degree of decay in the bodies Boone found aboard the plane. Were they skeletons?
I'm curious as to whether it's possible the drug plane crashed around the same time (maybe at the same time) as Flight 815...or even days after the crash of 815.
Eko could be the actual priest the other Nigerians were pretending to be. Or he could've been fooled by them earlier in his pre-crash life, and we'll learn about it in his flashback.
I'm curious as to whether it's possible the drug plane crashed around the same time (maybe at the same time) as Flight 815...or even days after the crash of 815.
Eko could be the actual priest the other Nigerians were pretending to be. Or he could've been fooled by them earlier in his pre-crash life, and we'll learn about it in his flashback.
aardball44
Footballguy
Glass walls?
Blast walls. Probably composed of thick steel.
It was blast walls and I think Michael even mentioned that they are used in case of explosions. Also, the steel looked relatively new, not like the rest of the corridor out to the broken ladder/hatch. I wonder if they were added after the first "incident".Glass walls?
Blast walls. Probably composed of thick steel.
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-Eko was on flight 815. If he somehow wasn't, I vow to never watch this show again.-Blast Doors, people-I'm totally intrigued why someone would cut out that part of the film, and only that part-I'm also happy to see that it looks like Michael found the gun cache, and he's going other hunting
-Eko was on flight 815. If he somehow wasn't, I vow to never watch this show again.-Blast Doors, people-I'm totally intrigued why someone would cut out that part of the film, and only that part-I'm also happy to see that it looks like Michael found the gun cache, and he's going other hunting
saintfool
Dead sexy
Is it to protect what's in that room from something outside? Or, is it to protect the outside from something in that room?My
-Eko was on flight 815. If he somehow wasn't, I vow to never watch this show again.
-Blast Doors, people
-I'm totally intrigued why someone would cut out that part of the film, and only that part
-I'm also happy to see that it looks like Michael found the gun cache, and he's going other hunting
aardball44
Footballguy
saintfool, is your avatar a pic from the "evil!" sketch from Kids In The Hall, with David Foley and Kevin McSomething?
Edit: It is. Just enlarged the photo and voila! Evil!
Good stuff. Are the KITH shows available on DVD yet?
Edit: It is. Just enlarged the photo and voila! Evil!
Good stuff. Are the KITH shows available on DVD yet?
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aardball44
Footballguy
Are you talking about Sir Simon Mulligan and Manservant Heccubus?saintfool, is your avatar a pic from the "evil!" sketch from Kids In The Hall, with David Foley and Kevin McSomething?
Good stuff. Are the KITH shows available on DVD yet?
saintfool
Dead sexy
Kevin: Good evening and welcome to the Pit of Ultimate Darkness. Hello, I am your host, Sir Simon Milligan. For those of you without a brave heart, get up, go to your television sets and turn the station. Go ahead, exercise your right to be a coward. Now, for those of you with a brave heart and for those of you who have stayed, look into my face and know, to look into my face is to look into the face..of EVIL! Yes, I am a man possessed by many demons. Polite demons that would open the door for a lady carrying too many parcels, but demons nonetheless! Yes, I have walked along the path of evil many times, it's a twisting curving path, that actually leads to a charming block garden, but beyond that evil! And now I would like to bring on one who could be the spawn of Satan himself. Manservant Hecubus. Good evening Hecubus. Are you ready?Dave: I am ready to serve you master. And Satan!Are you talking about Sir Simon Mulligan and Manservant Heccubus?saintfool, is your avatar a pic from the "evil!" sketch from Kids In The Hall, with David Foley and Kevin McSomething?
Good stuff. Are the KITH shows available on DVD yet?
Kevin: Good. Then let the proof of evil begin. Hecubus, pick a card, pick any card.
Dave: No.
Kevin: Pardon?
Dave: No.
Kevin: Evil! Evil! Impolite and Evil! Hecubus, have you seen the movie Presumed Innocent?
Dave: Yes I have master, and his wife killed her.
Kevin: But Hecubus, I haven't seen the movie yet. Evil! Evil! It is now time for the sleep of ages. Sava Lava Cuti. Hecubus, can you hear me?
Dave: Yes master.
Kevin: If Hecubus is sleeping, how can he hear me? Maybe because he's lying? Dirty, dirty liar! Evil, evil white boy!
Dave: I lied, I lied, I lied!
Kevin: He lied, he lied, he lied, he lied! Remember people, do not fear the evil that surrounds you. Do not avoid the hounds of hell. Do not avoid the beasts of brimstone. Do not avoid the puppies of purgatory. You must always embrace the hellfire, hellfire, hellfire. Thank you! Goodnight! If you haven't already, please call you mom.
[Cut to Mark watching television.]
Mark (as Satan): Terrific, terrific! Great! Great stuff. At last, a show for me. A show that speaks to me. That was great. Oh, Golden Girls.
Sack-Religious.
Footballguy
There was also one of the dead "priests" in a tree that I believe Locke found. He looked like he'd been dead quite a while. Definitely longer than the amount of time the survivors of Flight 815 have been around. I believe his remains were skeletal. Decomposition will occur faster in tropical temperatures, but I don't think it would happen that fast.Re: the Blast Doors - Michael was feeling along a seam in the roof and asked Locke about the blast doors. Locke didn't know what he Michael was talking about and Michael said something to the effect of "they would be to protect whoever was down here from an explosion, from up above" IRRC
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
Should be interesting when Locke and Eko tell Michael he isnt allowed to communicate with Walt.
I had the exact same thought watching the preview. You knew that Locke/Eko would tell Michael about the film and he could care less. They showed Michael getting ready to shoot something.I can't wait until January 11th, that is way too long. Oh well, something tells me that this thread won't make it past another page or two before then, so I can probably check back in on the 10th and read everything in a couple minutes. Adios.
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The evidence that the plane crash took place in the future continues to mount. A few weeks ago a poster in the background of the flashback when Michael was in the hospital dated that scene as 2000. That was discussed earlier in this thread.
Now, this picture, if you look at the calender in the back ground dates this flashback as sometime in the Sep/Oct/Nov of 2005. The years are covered by post-it notes, but because Nov, 1st is a Tuesday, it necessitates that its either 1994, 2005, or 2011 (or some time further out). We can safely rule out 1994 as her dad's desk was littered with "An Army of One" stuff, which didn't exist in '94.
My feelings are that this flash back occured in fall of '05, and she was on the run for a few years before the crash. I think somewhere it is indicated that the marshall had been chasing her for 3 years or so.
The evidence that the plane crash took place in the future continues to mount. A few weeks ago a poster in the background of the flashback when Michael was in the hospital dated that scene as 2000. That was discussed earlier in this thread.
Now, this picture, if you look at the calender in the back ground dates this flashback as sometime in the Sep/Oct/Nov of 2005. The years are covered by post-it notes, but because Nov, 1st is a Tuesday, it necessitates that its either 1994, 2005, or 2011 (or some time further out). We can safely rule out 1994 as her dad's desk was littered with "An Army of One" stuff, which didn't exist in '94.
My feelings are that this flash back occured in fall of '05, and she was on the run for a few years before the crash. I think somewhere it is indicated that the marshall had been chasing her for 3 years or so.
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