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**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (3 Viewers)
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You are absolutely correct. It was just AL that he intended to kill, although he felt bad about it. Libby plain surprised him and after he shot her he had that I screwed up look.He obviously wasn't just going to kill Henry for revenge for Walt as he could have just opened it and shot him without killing AL.
Is it possible that Michael's mission for the Others was to kill AL because she killed Goodwin? Remember Henry said that the head honcho was not a forgiving man. Michael just shot himself to stay in good with the survivors.
Sundays Rule
Footballguy
Does anyone vaguely remeber those two little kids whos mother died in the crash that were taken by the others...i totally forgot their names...it was like a brother and this blonde girl for his sister i think jack may have saved the boyes life or something....bet thats Jacks sister.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
why whould the others provoke the losties into a confrontation though? michael is describing them as weak, giving them a small population that the losties *could* overpower. would it be an attempt to subjugate or exterminate them? now, given the deaths of AL and Libby, the escape of Henry, the abduction of Walt and the "wound" to Michael, it's prvoking the losties to act.
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
How are we going to find out that Jack knows that Ana Lucia also met and worked with Jack's dad? Jack will never know that.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
The kids were going to meet their mother in LA. The woman in Australia never explicity says the daughter is hers,but why would that scene have played out the way it did if she isnt the mother?
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Jack will end up finding his half sister, they'll have sex, and BOOM! They'll call the island: Kentucky
Hell if I know. There are so many open questions on this one that have me puzzled.I guess the reason why I agree with some other folks that Walt was sent to kill AL and do something with Henry is because of the following:
1) Henry told Locke that head honcho is not forgiving, so I could easily see the head honcho having a grudge for AL. Henry also proved that he/the Others knew that it was AL that killed Goodwin.
2) If Michael wasn't influenced by the Others, then there is no reason to kill AL. If Sayid didn't kill her, then why would Michael want revenge for Shannon. Also, why wouldn't Michael just wait since AL told her that Jack was going to get the guns, i.e. getting ready to help him get Walt.
3) He said he was sorry and looked horrified that he shot Libby, which to me means he isn't just off his rocker. It was more of a "I had to do it" thing, but as in #2 above, why not just wait for the army to get together unless he was forced to do it.
4) We already saw Michael knock out Locke and put Jack in the armory before and AL gave him the gun and the combo, so he easily could have done the same unless he HAD to kill AL.
Rhino
Footballguy
A couple things about Michael's story don't add up...
He said he founda camp of Others that only had 22 people and 2 guns and that most of the Others were old men and women. He left with a rifle - so why couldn't he sniper the two guards in the middle of the night and pick off the camp by himself systematically? Instead Jack and Kate find him on the verge of death in the middle of the jungle? It doesn't add up? IF the Others are a push-over they sure did a number on Michael.
His story is
IMO
The Others are probably more like 50-60 strong with enough weapons to fight WWIII. Michael was instructed to return to the Losties and lead them back into an ambush, at which point the Others would return his son to him.
The only part of my theory that doesn't add up is why he shot AL. Maybe revenge for how crappy she treated them when he, Sawyer and Jin washed up on shore? (I don't really think this tho - because why would he be sorry?) Maybe it was part of the deal with the Others - they wanted AL dead for revenge? I dunno. Like I said - it's the one part I can't figure out. Shooting Libby definitely wasn't in Michael's plan - she was an unfortunate witness that got int he way.
Of course Michael shooting himself in Henry's cell was his attempt at framing Henry for the murders... but that looks from the previews like it may back-fire on Michael. Who knows?
Bottom Line - Michael is setting the Losties up.
He said he founda camp of Others that only had 22 people and 2 guns and that most of the Others were old men and women. He left with a rifle - so why couldn't he sniper the two guards in the middle of the night and pick off the camp by himself systematically? Instead Jack and Kate find him on the verge of death in the middle of the jungle? It doesn't add up? IF the Others are a push-over they sure did a number on Michael.
His story is
IMOThe Others are probably more like 50-60 strong with enough weapons to fight WWIII. Michael was instructed to return to the Losties and lead them back into an ambush, at which point the Others would return his son to him.
The only part of my theory that doesn't add up is why he shot AL. Maybe revenge for how crappy she treated them when he, Sawyer and Jin washed up on shore? (I don't really think this tho - because why would he be sorry?) Maybe it was part of the deal with the Others - they wanted AL dead for revenge? I dunno. Like I said - it's the one part I can't figure out. Shooting Libby definitely wasn't in Michael's plan - she was an unfortunate witness that got int he way.
Of course Michael shooting himself in Henry's cell was his attempt at framing Henry for the murders... but that looks from the previews like it may back-fire on Michael. Who knows?
Bottom Line - Michael is setting the Losties up.
packersfan
Footballguy
Yup. I think that's definitely what happened. The Others wanted Ana-Lucia dead (that was an obvious theme from the episode's outset) and Michael was the one they chose to execute her.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Pretty obvious that Michael was sent by the Others to free their man, probably in exchange to let him see Walt or something like that. All these other theories are rather silly.
Sundays Rule
Footballguy
So why not kill Charlie for whacking Ethan.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Didn't Locke (or Jack) change the combo to the lock since then though?
packersfan
Footballguy
By the way, whoever is in charge of The Other is a "great man, a brilliant man" according to Henry. We still don't know who that person is but it's safe to say it's someone we've been introduced to in some fashion already.
Sundays Rule
Footballguy
I dont think they told him to kill Ana..he just saw an opportunity and took it and she just happend to be there.
Blackhawk 69
Mr. C.
I said Michael was framing Henry,not michael. How did Michael know "Henry" was being held before Al told him?You said that Michael was going to frame Michael to get everyone on his side to go after the Others. This doesnt make sense because everyone was already on his side.
Micheal was either brainwashed or lied to by the Others. He knew "Henry" was being held before he "stumbled"across Jack and Kate.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Because Dominic Monaghan wasn't arrested for drunk driving?
Maybe Charlie's next in line or on the list at a later date. Since Ana-Lucia killed two of them perhaps they viewed her as being the most deserving to die now.Also, the Others might not even know about who killed Ethan.One more thing, remember that Zeke told Ethan in front of Claire that she and her baby weren't on the list. Ethan kidnapped her on his own, so him dying might be OK with the head honcho just like Henry said he would be killed for failing.
If Michael was in an arrangement with the Others, I wonder if his shocked/I screwed up look after shooting Libby was because she was one of the "good" people. She may have been on the original lists of people to be taken. Maybe Michael knew that and changed his plan and shot himself to cover his tracks. Maybe his original plan was a kill AL, kill Henry and leave.
Anyway, just shooting #### out to see what sticks. Even if some folks think theories are silly.
Anyway, just shooting #### out to see what sticks. Even if some folks think theories are silly.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
Not that I buy Michael's story, but this is a pretty weak argument against it.Real life isnt a video game; everyone cant "sniper" people from long distances. And there were more than 2 guards as it is obvious there were shifts. 2 people weren't guarding the other hatch 24-7.A couple things about Michael's story don't add up...
He said he founda camp of Others that only had 22 people and 2 guns and that most of the Others were old men and women. He left with a rifle - so why couldn't he sniper the two guards in the middle of the night and pick off the camp by himself systematically? Instead Jack and Kate find him on the verge of death in the middle of the jungle? It doesn't add up? IF the Others are a push-over they sure did a number on Michael.
His story is
The Others are probably more like 50-60 strong with enough weapons to fight WWIII. Michael was instructed to return to the Losties and lead them back into an ambush, at which point the Others would return his son to him.
The only part of my theory that doesn't add up is why he shot AL. Maybe revenge for how crappy she treated them when he, Sawyer and Jin washed up on shore? (I don't really think this tho - because why would he be sorry?) Maybe it was part of the deal with the Others - they wanted AL dead for revenge? I dunno. Like I said - it's the one part I can't figure out. Shooting Libby definitely wasn't in Michael's plan - she was an unfortunate witness that got int he way.
Of course Michael shooting himself in Henry's cell was his attempt at framing Henry for the murders... but that looks from the previews like it may back-fire on Michael. Who knows?
Bottom Line - Michael is setting the Losties up.
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Wrong.She got a DUI. Like she's the only actress in Hollywood who drinks. I'm pretty sure a lot of them dabble in a little more than alcohol. What a ridiculous statement.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
"Zeke" quoted Alvar Hanso when he confronted Jack, Locke, and Saywer and used simliar terms when talking about him [Hanso].
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By the way, when you are going to make a statement like that, which in some cases (zombies, purgatory, clones) is true, be sure to not say something incorrect yourself.
If it is obvious that Michael was sent to free Henry, then why does Henry keep saying that the Others will kill him anyway since he failed? Also, why does Michael need to kill AL if he already has the gun and the combo, especially since we have seen him lock people in the armory already? Also, why did he bother staying around the hatch (we saw him in the previews) if he was just there to free Henry?To me, it is pretty obvious that killing AL was one of the things he had to do since he said he was sorry and thus didn't want to do it. We have no idea at all what his intention are with Henry. He could have shot him or let him go.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
Is this schtick?Of course I realize you're saying Micheal is framing Henry, not that Michael is framing Michael.I said Michael was framing Henry,not michael. How did Michael know "Henry" was being held before Al told him?
Micheal was either brainwashed or lied to by the Others. He knew "Henry" was being held before he "stumbled"across Jack and Kate.
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As for how he knew, THE OTHERS TOLD HIM! Why else would he kill Ana Lucia and allow an Other, someone who is part of the group of people who took his son, to escape unharmed.
packersfan
Footballguy
How exactly is it a ridiculous statement? There were rumors she was difficult to work with on the set. She has had some MAJOR issues in her personal life, including beating up her girlfriend and now the DUI. I think she's a good actress but she's a mess and although the producers are denying it now I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they just decided to kill her off because she was a problem and/or they didn't want a divisive presence on the set.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
You silly silly man. He killed AL and the other chick to cover his tracks.By the way, when you are going to make a statement like that, which in some cases (zombies, purgatory, clones) is true, be sure to not say something incorrect yourself.
To me, it is pretty obvious that killing AL was one of the things he had to do since he said he was sorry and thus didn't want to do it. We have no idea at all what his intention are with Henry. He could have shot him or let him go.
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Packersfan - Read the link above or a page back. If it really is from one of the guys who give out tidbits/spoilers (not sure since it was an ABC forum post, but I have seen his column), then it states that the producers intended for Rodriguez to be a one season character and that she agreed. They mentioned that her death was key to the progression to the season finale.
Sundays Rule
Footballguy
Has anyone called the number and if so please share the content as the lines are busy right now.
krash
Footballguy
My guess is that this camp is not The Others, but maybe another group of survivors also on the island. Whatever happened to Michael is causing him to create a war between the survivors while each is thinking they are fighting The Others. That will introduce more people to kill off in later episodes, much like introducing the tailies to kill them off. Of course, I have nothing to substantiate that. Just thinking.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Sawyer's gonna wonder if he's got a cursed dong.
I wonder if "The Evil Twin" thing he was reading has anything to do with anything....
...or perhaps he was reading the script for next week's 'Alias' - since there's now two Sydneys.....
I wonder if "The Evil Twin" thing he was reading has anything to do with anything....
...or perhaps he was reading the script for next week's 'Alias' - since there's now two Sydneys.....
Rhino
Footballguy
Not that he snipers the whole camp at once... but if you strike at night in the dark you take out one or two at a time... over a few nights you can whittle their numbers down.Again - Michael had a rifle with him. If it was a camp full of old men and women, who worked him over so badly and took his weapon? It just doesn't make sense. Michael left bound and determined to get his son back.Not that I buy Michael's story, but this is a pretty weak argument against it.Real life isnt a video game; everyone cant "sniper" people from long distances. And there were more than 2 guards as it is obvious there were shifts. 2 people weren't guarding the other hatch 24-7.A couple things about Michael's story don't add up...
He said he founda camp of Others that only had 22 people and 2 guns and that most of the Others were old men and women. He left with a rifle - so why couldn't he sniper the two guards in the middle of the night and pick off the camp by himself systematically? Instead Jack and Kate find him on the verge of death in the middle of the jungle? It doesn't add up? IF the Others are a push-over they sure did a number on Michael.
His story is
The Others are probably more like 50-60 strong with enough weapons to fight WWIII. Michael was instructed to return to the Losties and lead them back into an ambush, at which point the Others would return his son to him.
The only part of my theory that doesn't add up is why he shot AL. Maybe revenge for how crappy she treated them when he, Sawyer and Jin washed up on shore? (I don't really think this tho - because why would he be sorry?) Maybe it was part of the deal with the Others - they wanted AL dead for revenge? I dunno. Like I said - it's the one part I can't figure out. Shooting Libby definitely wasn't in Michael's plan - she was an unfortunate witness that got int he way.
Of course Michael shooting himself in Henry's cell was his attempt at framing Henry for the murders... but that looks from the previews like it may back-fire on Michael. Who knows?
Bottom Line - Michael is setting the Losties up.
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I still maintain that it's an ambush. The Others are no where near as weak as Michael protrayed them, and he's trying to bait the Losties into a trap.
Cover his tracks, nah, don't buy it. He could have put AL in the armory if he was just there to get Henry. Once he delivers Henry and gets Walt back (your theory above), then he has 2 choices. Stay with the Others, in which case he has no need to cover his tracks. Go back to the survivors, in which case he also has no need to cover his tracks as everyone would not have an issue since he got Walt back.When he said he was sorry, he showed us that he had to kill AL. If he really didn't want to kill her, then he just locks her up.You silly silly man. He killed AL and the other chick to cover his tracks.By the way, when you are going to make a statement like that, which in some cases (zombies, purgatory, clones) is true, be sure to not say something incorrect yourself.
To me, it is pretty obvious that killing AL was one of the things he had to do since he said he was sorry and thus didn't want to do it. We have no idea at all what his intention are with Henry. He could have shot him or let him go.
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Oh well, hopefully we will know who is correct before the end of the season.
saintfool
Dead sexy
The way the situation developed Michael probably saw this as his best earliest and best opportunity. He is lying about the weakness of the others, i think.however, the question is then: why are the others itching for a fight now? could they have found sawyer's cache of guns?
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
But given what "Henry" said to Ana Lucia about Goodwin and "him", isnt it possible that Michael was told he had to kill Ana Luciain addition to free "Henry"?Cover his tracks, nah, don't buy it. He could have put AL in the armory if he was just there to get Henry. Once he delivers Henry and gets Walt back (your theory above), then he has 2 choices. Stay with the Others, in which case he has no need to cover his tracks. Go back to the survivors, in which case he also has no need to cover his tracks as everyone would not have an issue since he got Walt back.
When he said he was sorry, he showed us that he had to kill AL. If he really didn't want to kill her, then he just locks her up.
Oh well, hopefully we will know who is correct before the end of the season.
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Blackhawk 69
Mr. C.
Thank for admitting your mistake of Michael framing Henry.Now your other statement that the others told him, how do you know that?Is this schtick?Of course I realize you're saying Micheal is framing Henry, not that Michael is framing Michael.I said Michael was framing Henry,not michael. How did Michael know "Henry" was being held before Al told him?
Micheal was either brainwashed or lied to by the Others. He knew "Henry" was being held before he "stumbled"across Jack and Kate.
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As for how he knew, THE OTHERS TOLD HIM! Why else would he kill Ana Lucia and allow an Other, someone who is part of the group of people who took his son, to escape unharmed.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
that might be a secondary "mission" but the primary one had to be get henry out. killing AL any other way would be too difficult. this situation just presented it. a gift...But given what "Henry" said to Ana Lucia about Goodwin and "him", isnt it possible that Michael was told he had to kill Ana Luciain addition to free "Henry"?Cover his tracks, nah, don't buy it. He could have put AL in the armory if he was just there to get Henry. Once he delivers Henry and gets Walt back (your theory above), then he has 2 choices. Stay with the Others, in which case he has no need to cover his tracks. Go back to the survivors, in which case he also has no need to cover his tracks as everyone would not have an issue since he got Walt back.
When he said he was sorry, he showed us that he had to kill AL. If he really didn't want to kill her, then he just locks her up.
Oh well, hopefully we will know who is correct before the end of the season.
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Rhino
Footballguy
That is a good question... one that I don't have an answer for. But it's pretty obvious they have still have some interest in the Losties. They sent Henry in to do some "recon" and he got caught. The deal with Michael may be their Plan B.I don't think they found Sawyer's guns... and frankly I don't think they need them. My bet is that the Others are pretty well geared up.
Bowbiejuke
Footballguy
ANY CHANCE HENRY GAYLE is the LEADER, thats why he never attacked Locke
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
Thank for admitting your mistake of Michael framing Henry.Now your other statement that the others told him, how do you know that?Is this schtick?Of course I realize you're saying Micheal is framing Henry, not that Michael is framing Michael.I said Michael was framing Henry,not michael. How did Michael know "Henry" was being held before Al told him?
Micheal was either brainwashed or lied to by the Others. He knew "Henry" was being held before he "stumbled"across Jack and Kate.
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As for how he knew, THE OTHERS TOLD HIM! Why else would he kill Ana Lucia and allow an Other, someone who is part of the group of people who took his son, to escape unharmed.
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