Yep, you're right.Miss Clue said that, not Zeke.Actually, Michael asked who "whatever Sawyer's real name is" was and Zeke said something along the lines of "You know him as Sawyer."they asked Michael if he recognized Sawyer's full name. this indicates to me that they figured he would not recognize it.why would they assume he doesn't know sawyer's full name? he recognized hurley's name after all. this doesn't point to their superiority but instead brings up he question of how they acquired the information and for what purpose.sure. but why use their full name especially if they know that Michael would not recognize Sawyer's full name? They are trying to tell Michael that they know more than he does and that they know a lot about the LOSTIES.ethan might have provided them with the flight's passenger list while he was among them.A couple of posts referred to the list of names Michael was given.
First he recognized every name except Sawyer's.
Second why do the "others" use everyone's full real name. If it were just mind reading and such I would expect them to use nicknames. In the finale we are supposed to learn why flight 815 crashed. Is it possible that a bomb was set off to bring the plane down on the island? Maybe the stewardess that the others grabbed was in on it. Seems like a pretty risky way to get specific people to that island though.
From the transcript of last week's episode...MS. KLUGH: I'm writing 4 names down -- 4 of your friends. We need you to bring them here. You have to bring only these 4 people, Michael. Just them. If you don't bring all the people on the list, you'll never see Walt again.they asked Michael if he recognized Sawyer's full name. this indicates to me that they figured he would not recognize it.
Or rather, Walt....As I recall, they were willing to go after Walt once everyone was healed. Michael, especially after the computer message(s) from presumably Walt, was not prepared to wait.Another reason to shoot AL:
AL said she was going to kill Henry, but just couldn't quite do it. Michael can't bring Henry back to the Others if AL changes her mind and shoots Henry. I think it was simply a ripe opportunity for Michael. John is always at the hatch, and will be mindful of Michael (having been attacked by him once already). Guns are rare, and this gives Michael a valuable asset. Killing AL is a great opportunity to motivate the 4 to go find the Others and free Henry.
Didn't Vincent just start appearing again recently? I found it interesting the way Walt brought Vincent up, before mentioning that they're pretending.[Pickett brings Walt inside.]
MICHAEL: Walt.
WALT: Dad.
MICHAEL: Let him go! Let him go! Get your hands off him, right now!
WALT: Dad, don't.
MICHAEL: Are you okay?
WALT: Yeah.
MICHAEL: I just -- did they hurt you?
WALT: They make me take tests.
MICHAEL: They make you what?!
MS. KLUGH: We're not going to talk about that.
WALT: How's Vincent?
MICHAEL: Vincent, he's great. He's great. He misses you. Hey don't, don't, don't be scared, man. Don't be scared. It's going to be over real soon, okay? I'm going to get you out of here, okay.
WALT: They're not who they say they are. They're pretending.
MS. KLUGH: Walt! You want me to put you in the room again?
MICHAEL: Pretending? Pretending what?
MS. KLUGH: That's it. We're done.
MICHAEL: No, wait. Hey wait, wait, wait. Come here, Walt. Wait, come here, Walt.
[Walt breaks away from Pickett and runs and hugs Michael.]
WALT: Dad, [a couple of unintelligible words]. Help me, please! Don't leave me!
MICHAEL: I won't, man. I'm going to take -- I'm going to get you out of here. I promise you, I will get you out of here.
[Pickett grabs Walt.]...
He pops up here and there. Didn't they talk about having an episode from his perspective or at least centered on him? I guess they figured that 20 mins of Vincent licking his junk doesn't offer as riveting a story as they originally thought?Didn't Vincent just start appearing again recently? I found it interesting the way Walt brought Vincent up, before mentioning that they're pretending.
Maybe they're really dogs or werewolvesDidn't Vincent just start appearing again recently? I found it interesting the way Walt brought Vincent up, before mentioning that they're pretending.[Pickett brings Walt inside.]
MICHAEL: Walt.
WALT: Dad.
MICHAEL: Let him go! Let him go! Get your hands off him, right now!
WALT: Dad, don't.
MICHAEL: Are you okay?
WALT: Yeah.
MICHAEL: I just -- did they hurt you?
WALT: They make me take tests.
MICHAEL: They make you what?!
MS. KLUGH: We're not going to talk about that.
WALT: How's Vincent?
MICHAEL: Vincent, he's great. He's great. He misses you. Hey don't, don't, don't be scared, man. Don't be scared. It's going to be over real soon, okay? I'm going to get you out of here, okay.
WALT: They're not who they say they are. They're pretending.
MS. KLUGH: Walt! You want me to put you in the room again?
MICHAEL: Pretending? Pretending what?
MS. KLUGH: That's it. We're done.
MICHAEL: No, wait. Hey wait, wait, wait. Come here, Walt. Wait, come here, Walt.
[Walt breaks away from Pickett and runs and hugs Michael.]
WALT: Dad, [a couple of unintelligible words]. Help me, please! Don't leave me!
MICHAEL: I won't, man. I'm going to take -- I'm going to get you out of here. I promise you, I will get you out of here.
[Pickett grabs Walt.]...
Just to find out how much he knows about Walt, his abilities and the Others in general? We don't know why they say or do much of anything.If that's the case, then why did Miss Cleo bother to ask Michael?Any chance they're taking a blood sample from Michael to make sure he's Walt's father thinking he may be able to father more "special" children for them in the future? Maybe they want Walt to have some brothers and sisters?
Ok then they knew that he did not know Sawyer as James Ford but they put it down anyway. Would have been easier to put down Sawyer if that is what Michael knows him as. But, they are making a point to Michael. Which was my point. F'n details.From the transcript of last week's episode...MS. KLUGH: I'm writing 4 names down -- 4 of your friends. We need you to bring them here. You have to bring only these 4 people, Michael. Just them. If you don't bring all the people on the list, you'll never see Walt again.they asked Michael if he recognized Sawyer's full name. this indicates to me that they figured he would not recognize it.
MICHAEL [still crying]: Okay, okay.
MS. KLUGH: Do you understand, Michael?
MICHAEL [still crying]: Yes. What do I tell them.
MS. KLUGH: Doesn't matter. Make up a story. They'll be angry enough to believe whatever you say.
[she hands him the list of names.]
MICHAEL: Who's James Ford?
MS. KLUGH: You know him as Sawyer. You know the rest of them?
MICHAEL: Yeah. I know them. If I do all this -- if I do what you say...
MS. KLUGH: You get your son back. You both go free.
MICHAEL: Then I want the boat.
Underdiscussed line.From the transcript of last week's episode...
MS. KLUGH: Doesn't matter. Make up a story. They'll be angry enough to believe whatever you say.
I don't think there will be any more deaths this season.But I do think Kate is injured or wounded very badly this week. Her character has been a nonfactor lately.Finale death prediction:
Charlie
I agree with Hulk and that was my point. He saw the first opportunity and took it. He is Michael's father and based on the lethargy around the camp to rallying to get saved (see Bernard), no one there is willing to get killed for Walt.That was until AL and Libby died and now you have Sawyer, Jack and Hurley ready to get revenge. Killing AL and Libby actually is what got those 3 fully motivated.True but he knows that Walt is fairly safe. Unless Michael doesn't like taking tests, it would seem that he can take things a little slower now knowing that.About the timeline for Michael.
They have his son. For Michael, that is motivation enough to finish his mission as fast as possible.
Michael in 3.1 or thereabouts...they just don't let you back in the club after you off 2 of them. i don't care how desperate you are...Finale death prediction:
Charlie
It wasn't Ethan. Ethan didn't know Sawyer's real name because Hurley found it out from the passenger list and Ethan never had it (he wouldn't have given it back). That was also the last time anyone talked to Ethan, aside from Charlie/Claire, before they killed him.I think what it shows is that the Others did know something more about the plane. Maybe they have an Internet connection and got it online from the list of dead people or maybe they did have something to do with the crash and already knew who was going to be on board. Maybe we will find some of this out this week. Probably not.sure. but why use their full name especially if they know that Michael would not recognize Sawyer's full name? They are trying to tell Michael that they know more than he does and that they know a lot about the LOSTIES.ethan might have provided them with the flight's passenger list while he was among them.A couple of posts referred to the list of names Michael was given.
First he recognized every name except Sawyer's.
Second why do the "others" use everyone's full real name. If it were just mind reading and such I would expect them to use nicknames. In the finale we are supposed to learn why flight 815 crashed. Is it possible that a bomb was set off to bring the plane down on the island? Maybe the stewardess that the others grabbed was in on it. Seems like a pretty risky way to get specific people to that island though.
and she is hot and the writers have shown a tendency to get rid of the hot ones.I don't think there will be any more deaths this season.But I do think Kate is injured or wounded very badly this week. Her character has been a nonfactor lately.Finale death prediction:
Charlie
A cliff hanger death would count.I'm basing this prediction entirely on the "next week on LOST" deal at the end of the episode.I don't think there will be any more deaths this season.But I do think Kate is injured or wounded very badly this week. Her character has been a nonfactor lately.Finale death prediction:
Charlie
Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred. Even Hulk doesn't respond to my posts with the exact same theory one page back!Pretty sure he was.This is interesting speculation.Was Michael captured before Henry? If so, it makes me wonder if the Others' plan was to purposely get Henry captured knowing that they could get Michael to break him out.
You may be right.
THAT WAS WHAT I WAS SAYING! But, by using Sawyer's real name when they know that Michael will not recognize it (you know him as Sawyer), they are making the point that they know something more about the plane to Michael as well as the audience.It wasn't Ethan. Ethan didn't know Sawyer's real name because Hurley found it out from the passenger list and Ethan never had it (he wouldn't have given it back). That was also the last time anyone talked to Ethan, aside from Charlie/Claire, before they killed him.I think what it shows is that the Others did know something more about the plane. Maybe they have an Internet connection and got it online from the list of dead people or maybe they did have something to do with the crash and already knew who was going to be on board. Maybe we will find some of this out this week. Probably not.sure. but why use their full name especially if they know that Michael would not recognize Sawyer's full name? They are trying to tell Michael that they know more than he does and that they know a lot about the LOSTIES.ethan might have provided them with the flight's passenger list while he was among them.A couple of posts referred to the list of names Michael was given.
First he recognized every name except Sawyer's.
Second why do the "others" use everyone's full real name. If it were just mind reading and such I would expect them to use nicknames. In the finale we are supposed to learn why flight 815 crashed. Is it possible that a bomb was set off to bring the plane down on the island? Maybe the stewardess that the others grabbed was in on it. Seems like a pretty risky way to get specific people to that island though.
No, I'm just lazy. I often gloss over something and then post about it later when it comes up a second time.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred. Even Hulk doesn't respond to my posts with the exact same theory one page back!Pretty sure he was.This is interesting speculation.Was Michael captured before Henry? If so, it makes me wonder if the Others' plan was to purposely get Henry captured knowing that they could get Michael to break him out.
You may be right.
Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred. Even Hulk doesn't respond to my posts with the exact same theory one page back!Pretty sure he was.This is interesting speculation.Was Michael captured before Henry? If so, it makes me wonder if the Others' plan was to purposely get Henry captured knowing that they could get Michael to break him out.
You may be right.
Maybe they got it from this thread. Maybe one of us is one of them.It wasn't Ethan. Ethan didn't know Sawyer's real name because Hurley found it out from the passenger list and Ethan never had it (he wouldn't have given it back). That was also the last time anyone talked to Ethan, aside from Charlie/Claire, before they killed him.I think what it shows is that the Others did know something more about the plane. Maybe they have an Internet connection and got it online from the list of dead people or maybe they did have something to do with the crash and already knew who was going to be on board. Maybe we will find some of this out this week. Probably not.sure. but why use their full name especially if they know that Michael would not recognize Sawyer's full name? They are trying to tell Michael that they know more than he does and that they know a lot about the LOSTIES.ethan might have provided them with the flight's passenger list while he was among them.A couple of posts referred to the list of names Michael was given.
First he recognized every name except Sawyer's.
Second why do the "others" use everyone's full real name. If it were just mind reading and such I would expect them to use nicknames. In the finale we are supposed to learn why flight 815 crashed. Is it possible that a bomb was set off to bring the plane down on the island? Maybe the stewardess that the others grabbed was in on it. Seems like a pretty risky way to get specific people to that island though.
We are going to tell you why the plane crashed," says Cuse. "We're going to explain what happens if you don't push the button. And we're going to resolve the Michael-and-Walt story." (Michael's son, Walt, was kidnapped by "the others" in last year's season finale and has been missing ever since.) Desmond, the enigmatic guy originally discovered in the hatch, also reappears, and he's not in good shape, though he gives the survivors fresh hope for escape. Just as last year's finale expanded our scope of the island's boundaries, this year's will expand its relevance. "There is something else that is reverberating on our planet that is directly linked to this island," says Monaghan. "You begin to understand that what is happening there has a significant butterfly effect in the rest of the world." One more thing: we think another character is going to die, or come close. It's just a hypothesis, based on the fact that when we asked Michelle Rodriguez (Ana Lucia) to guess which character would die after Libby, she said: "I can't do that, 'cause I know." Then she clammed up.
Oh, laugh it up. If I had any motivation at all, I would search all your posts to find where you messed up too. Consider yourself lucky that I don't, but you've been warned.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred. Even Hulk doesn't respond to my posts with the exact same theory one page back!Pretty sure he was.This is interesting speculation.Was Michael captured before Henry? If so, it makes me wonder if the Others' plan was to purposely get Henry captured knowing that they could get Michael to break him out.
You may be right.
Norwood has me shaken. I am using qualifiers in all my theories now.Edit to add: Look how shaken, I can't even reply in the right spot.Maybe they got it from this thread. Maybe one of us is one of them.It wasn't Ethan. Ethan didn't know Sawyer's real name because Hurley found it out from the passenger list and Ethan never had it (he wouldn't have given it back). That was also the last time anyone talked to Ethan, aside from Charlie/Claire, before they killed him.I think what it shows is that the Others did know something more about the plane. Maybe they have an Internet connection and got it online from the list of dead people or maybe they did have something to do with the crash and already knew who was going to be on board. Maybe we will find some of this out this week. Probably not.sure. but why use their full name especially if they know that Michael would not recognize Sawyer's full name? They are trying to tell Michael that they know more than he does and that they know a lot about the LOSTIES.ethan might have provided them with the flight's passenger list while he was among them.A couple of posts referred to the list of names Michael was given.
First he recognized every name except Sawyer's.
Second why do the "others" use everyone's full real name. If it were just mind reading and such I would expect them to use nicknames. In the finale we are supposed to learn why flight 815 crashed. Is it possible that a bomb was set off to bring the plane down on the island? Maybe the stewardess that the others grabbed was in on it. Seems like a pretty risky way to get specific people to that island though.
I just posted today that the Others were werewolves and that Walt was Jesus Christ. Enjoy.Oh, laugh it up. If I had any motivation at all, I would search all your posts to find where you messed up too. Consider yourself lucky that I don't, but you've been warned.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred. Even Hulk doesn't respond to my posts with the exact same theory one page back!Pretty sure he was.This is interesting speculation.Was Michael captured before Henry? If so, it makes me wonder if the Others' plan was to purposely get Henry captured knowing that they could get Michael to break him out.
You may be right.
I know and I saw that. What don't you understand about lack of motivation?I just posted today that the Others were werewolves and that Walt was Jesus Christ. Enjoy.Oh, laugh it up. If I had any motivation at all, I would search all your posts to find where you messed up too. Consider yourself lucky that I don't, but you've been warned.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred. Even Hulk doesn't respond to my posts with the exact same theory one page back!Pretty sure he was.This is interesting speculation.Was Michael captured before Henry? If so, it makes me wonder if the Others' plan was to purposely get Henry captured knowing that they could get Michael to break him out.
You may be right.
newsletter?I just posted today that the Others were werewolves and that Walt was Jesus Christ. Enjoy.Oh, laugh it up. If I had any motivation at all, I would search all your posts to find where you messed up too. Consider yourself lucky that I don't, but you've been warned.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred. Even Hulk doesn't respond to my posts with the exact same theory one page back!Pretty sure he was.This is interesting speculation.Was Michael captured before Henry? If so, it makes me wonder if the Others' plan was to purposely get Henry captured knowing that they could get Michael to break him out.
You may be right.
It actually wasnt Desmond's vaccine. He took most, if not all, of it with him, including the injector. The vaccine Charlie found was in the supply drop, which shows that Desmond was taking it reguarly. Also, we know its purpose: to combat "the sickness". Two of the hatches have had QUARANTINE painted in large letters on the doors. Shortly after meeting the survivors, Desmond asks Jack if anyone from the group has gotten sick and died. Ethan injects Claire with the same vaccine to keep Aaron healthy.Way behind. I will delete if this is discussed. But, interesting point. I wonder if it is really a vaccine and what specific purpose it has if Desmond was taking it regularly.Thats Desmonds vaccine that he injected himself with.
No.Did Ethan say "See you in the funny pages." to Claire when he kidnapped her and had her in that examining room? She was obviously drugged.
05/22 - Harold Perrineau is not a regular for next season. He could be back as a guest star (à la Walt this season) but not as a regular cast member. source kristin @ e-online via spoilerfix ---- guess this confirms his death... or does it??!
who?HUGE spoiler
05/22 - Harold Perrineau is not a regular for next season. He could be back as a guest star (à la Walt this season) but not as a regular cast member. source kristin @ e-online via spoilerfix ---- guess this confirms his death... or does it??!
who?HUGE spoiler
05/22 - Harold Perrineau is not a regular for next season. He could be back as a guest star (à la Walt this season) but not as a regular cast member. source kristin @ e-online via spoilerfix ---- guess this confirms his death... or does it??!
That is the actor playing Michael. Being back as a guest star means he either fades into oblivion and returns here and there, like Rose in Season 1, remember she disappeared for a while after being present quite a bit right at the start, well she was acting in plays in London. The other theory is he bites it and guest starring means that he is in flashbacks only.
I have no clue what this means, but looking forward to the finale.Just as last year's finale expanded our scope of the island's boundaries, this year's will expand its relevance. "There is something else that is reverberating on our planet that is directly linked to this island," says Monaghan. "You begin to understand that what is happening there has a significant butterfly effect in the rest of the world."
oh. thanks.who?HUGE spoiler
05/22 - Harold Perrineau is not a regular for next season. He could be back as a guest star (à la Walt this season) but not as a regular cast member. source kristin @ e-online via spoilerfix ---- guess this confirms his death... or does it??!That is the actor playing Michael. Being back as a guest star means he either fades into oblivion and returns here and there, like Rose in Season 1, remember she disappeared for a while after being present quite a bit right at the start, well she was acting in plays in London. The other theory is he bites it and guest starring means that he is in flashbacks only.
Ugh. Now I can't to get home and rewatch.Did anyone see Desmond in the episode last week? The article in Entertainment Weekly this week says that he was on the beach chugging a bottle of booze. I don't recall seeing a scene like that.
I didn't. Are you sure that he isn't on the beach in the finale since it is supposed to be sort of Desmond centric.With all of the saying/not saying Alex type stuff, I couldn't imagine that no one here would have seen that or visited another site that showed a picture of it.Did anyone see Desmond in the episode last week? The article in Entertainment Weekly this week says that he was on the beach chugging a bottle of booze. I don't recall seeing a scene like that.
From Sclaffer:did I miss an episode last night?
wtf are sclaffer and skillz talking about?
I think skillz is also bringing up something that is going to happen in the finale.Most of these thoughts are from the previews for this week's finale.
I hadn't realized they discredited the Monster/Nanobot theory. Although I read the article and he says "although it depends on how you define nanobots".Discredited theories
Lost's mythology is exceedingly complex, in the style of other mystery-adventure shows such as The X-Files and Twin Peaks. This intricacy, and the unresolved questions it spawns, have led to rampant speculation and theorizing among fans, mainly concerning the nature of the island, the origins of the "security system", the "Others", the meaning of the numbers and the reasons for both the crash and the survival of some passengers. Several of the more common fan theories have been discussed and dismissed by the producers, including:
The survivors are dead and/or in Purgatory — dismissed by J. J. Abrams [16]
The survivors are in a time warp — dismissed by Damon Lindelof [17]
Spaceships or aliens influence the events on the island — dismissed by Damon Lindelof [17]
Everything seen is a fictional reality taking place in one or more of the survivors' minds — dismissed by Damon Lindelof [18]
The island is a reality TV show and the castaways unwitting housemates — dismissed by Carlton Cuse [19]
The "black smoke" is a nanobot cloud similar to the one featured in Michael Crichton's novel Prey — dismissed by Damon Lindelof [20] [21]
Maybe its not man made nanobots, but like a biological nanobots?I definitely think its nanobots, I don't care what they say.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28TV_series%29
I hadn't realized they discredited the Monster/Nanobot theory. Although I read the article and he says "although it depends on how you define nanobots".Discredited theories
Lost's mythology is exceedingly complex, in the style of other mystery-adventure shows such as The X-Files and Twin Peaks. This intricacy, and the unresolved questions it spawns, have led to rampant speculation and theorizing among fans, mainly concerning the nature of the island, the origins of the "security system", the "Others", the meaning of the numbers and the reasons for both the crash and the survival of some passengers. Several of the more common fan theories have been discussed and dismissed by the producers, including:
The survivors are dead and/or in Purgatory — dismissed by J. J. Abrams [16]
The survivors are in a time warp — dismissed by Damon Lindelof [17]
Spaceships or aliens influence the events on the island — dismissed by Damon Lindelof [17]
Everything seen is a fictional reality taking place in one or more of the survivors' minds — dismissed by Damon Lindelof [18]
The island is a reality TV show and the castaways unwitting housemates — dismissed by Carlton Cuse [19]
The "black smoke" is a nanobot cloud similar to the one featured in Michael Crichton's novel Prey — dismissed by Damon Lindelof [20] [21]
Don't know if its true. But if it isDesmond is on the sailboat. He made it back to civilization, but has returned to the island because civilization is apparently gone. The people on the island are among the only surviving humans on the planet.
That's been discussed as a theory before.Would love that.Unconfirmed Spoiler of Large Porportions
Don't know if its true. But if it isDesmond is on the sailboat. He made it back to civilization, but has returned to the island because civilization is apparently gone. The people on the island are among the only surviving humans on the planet.
Where does the food come from then?
what happened in the last 50 days that would cause all of civilization to end? we saw a ton of people at the airport as everyone was boarding so we know that people were on earth at that point.. also how does desmond know everyone is gone, did he go around the world?? doubt it.. maybe went to one place at most in that short a time (20 days)