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**** OFFICIAL **** LOST - The TV Series (2 Viewers)
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Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Yep, you're right.
saintfool
Dead sexy
From the transcript of last week's episode...MS. KLUGH: I'm writing 4 names down -- 4 of your friends. We need you to bring them here. You have to bring only these 4 people, Michael. Just them. If you don't bring all the people on the list, you'll never see Walt again.
MICHAEL [still crying]: Okay, okay.
MS. KLUGH: Do you understand, Michael?
MICHAEL [still crying]: Yes. What do I tell them.
MS. KLUGH: Doesn't matter. Make up a story. They'll be angry enough to believe whatever you say.
[she hands him the list of names.]
MICHAEL: Who's James Ford?
MS. KLUGH: You know him as Sawyer. You know the rest of them?
MICHAEL: Yeah. I know them. If I do all this -- if I do what you say...
MS. KLUGH: You get your son back. You both go free.
MICHAEL: Then I want the boat.
inca911
Footballguy
Another reason to shoot AL:
AL said she was going to kill Henry, but just couldn't quite do it. Michael can't bring Henry back to the Others if AL changes her mind and shoots Henry. I think it was simply a ripe opportunity for Michael. John is always at the hatch, and will be mindful of Michael (having been attacked by him once already). Guns are rare, and this gives Michael a valuable asset. Killing AL is a great opportunity to motivate the 4 to go find the Others and free Henry.
AL said she was going to kill Henry, but just couldn't quite do it. Michael can't bring Henry back to the Others if AL changes her mind and shoots Henry. I think it was simply a ripe opportunity for Michael. John is always at the hatch, and will be mindful of Michael (having been attacked by him once already). Guns are rare, and this gives Michael a valuable asset. Killing AL is a great opportunity to motivate the 4 to go find the Others and free Henry.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Or rather, Walt....As I recall, they were willing to go after Walt once everyone was healed. Michael, especially after the computer message(s) from presumably Walt, was not prepared to wait.
I agree it was a ripe opportunity but it was more hastily devised than anything. It was the best, first chance he had to accomplish his task. That is not to say it was his best plan but his desperation has the better of him.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Maybe they're really dogs or werewolves
http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20060522/D8HP0CP00.html
'Lost' to Answer Nagging Questions
By FRAZIER MOORE
NEW YORK (AP) - So what's the deal with that number sequence - 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 - on ABC's serial drama "Lost"?
The truth is, it indicates the points during each episode's hour when the network takes a commercial break.
No, that's not right.
The truth is, it's based on the relationship between the freckle count on Kate's face and the times per hour Hurley says "Dude."
That's not right either.
But as "Lost" heads to its season finale Wednesday at 8 p.m. EDT, it promises to settle certain nagging questions and teasing mysteries. What information, and satisfaction, will we take from the "Lost" finale with us into its long summer hiatus? Only time will tell. Or not tell.
A year ago, when "Lost" ended its first season, the castaways blasted open the mysterious hatch. Big deal. Viewers didn't get so much as a peek.
But by now, we've hung out plenty down in the well-appointed bunker as it became an additional location for the castaways (and the action), supplementing the island's beach and jungle interior.
And here in the bunker was introduced perhaps the series' cleverest conceit: a computer into which must be typed the sequence 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 (then the execute command) every 108 minutes, or else - well, no one knows what happens otherwise. Up to now no one has dared to find out. What a bleakly funny comment on the human condition: enslavement, through blind faith or fear, to a chore whose purpose is no more known to its followers than the consequences of their not doing it.
On the finale maybe we will find out what's the deal with this so-called "button" ritual.
Maybe we will also find out more about the Dharma Initiative, the mysterious research institute that built the bunker, left behind supplies and murky instructions, and at bad moments has the castaways dancing like puppets in the service of a so-far inscrutable exercise.
Maybe we'll even find why Oceanic flight 815 from Sydney crashed here, in the middle of nowhere, to start the whole "Lost" adventure - itself a basic piece of information up to now withheld from viewers.
But no matter how generous "Lost" proves on its finale, it is wrapping a season even richer and more groundbreaking than its freshman year. More assuredly than ever a set of paradoxes, "Lost" is infuriating in its lack of information yet overwhelming in its thick deposits of lore.
It is almost punishing in the demands it places on the viewer who seeks to be more than a surface observer. But at the same time, it is liberating: If the writers give their own imaginations free rein, which they obviously do, then "Lost" invites the viewer to do the same, if only to keep up.
Indeed, early on its viewers appropriated "Lost" for themselves. It belongs to the audience. The writers and actors just do most of the work.
But not all. "Lost" is not a series for couch potatoes. Parsing out buried meaning and clues has become part of the viewing process. The show gets in our heads and, like it or not, we ponder each episode for days. This is not a series to watch from the sidelines; it almost compels on-the-field participation.
Just as the bumblebee theoretically can't fly, "Lost" was a series that just couldn't work - at least, according to conventional TV wisdom. It was a stupid idea with a bloated cast, more beach time than "Baywatch," and - since the main motivation was solely to get off the island - limited dramatic possibilities.
In practice, the show's biggest threat was, on the contrary, its vast possibilities.
Among the many original acquaintances the viewer made were: Kate, the freckled former jailbird (Evangeline Lilly); Hurley (Jorge Garcia), the portly sweepstakes tycoon who says "dude" a lot; Jack, the doctor (Matthew Fox); and the mystical outdoorsman, Locke (Terry O'Quinn). But there is no shortage of new characters - both friends and enemies - replenishing what we first knew as the core group.
Every character represents another point of contact for the viewer, and another point-of-view: any event has multiple versions, thanks to each person who experienced it. Meanwhile, the flashbacks to characters' lives before that fateful crash let the series time-shift and place-shift wherever it might roam beyond the island.
As I envision the show's future, I can imagine a subset of characters somehow escaping from the island to rejoin the "real" world - where they are unable or unwilling to arrange help for the castaways they left behind. The series, while remaining on the island but also tracking the tortured readjustment of The Returnees, could then further expand to coexist in two or more realms at the same time.
That's just an idea, and maybe a lousy one.
My larger point is that, as "Lost" concludes a second year, it has demonstrated that what might have first seemed to be a silly gimmick - a random bunch of people thrown together in a crisis - instead has nearly inexhaustible potential for development.
The only real limits: writers' fatigue and viewers' fickleness. But on a series where dangers seem to lurk everywhere, neither of those seems likely to be among them anytime soon.
'Lost' to Answer Nagging Questions
By FRAZIER MOORE
NEW YORK (AP) - So what's the deal with that number sequence - 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 - on ABC's serial drama "Lost"?
The truth is, it indicates the points during each episode's hour when the network takes a commercial break.
No, that's not right.
The truth is, it's based on the relationship between the freckle count on Kate's face and the times per hour Hurley says "Dude."
That's not right either.
But as "Lost" heads to its season finale Wednesday at 8 p.m. EDT, it promises to settle certain nagging questions and teasing mysteries. What information, and satisfaction, will we take from the "Lost" finale with us into its long summer hiatus? Only time will tell. Or not tell.
A year ago, when "Lost" ended its first season, the castaways blasted open the mysterious hatch. Big deal. Viewers didn't get so much as a peek.
But by now, we've hung out plenty down in the well-appointed bunker as it became an additional location for the castaways (and the action), supplementing the island's beach and jungle interior.
And here in the bunker was introduced perhaps the series' cleverest conceit: a computer into which must be typed the sequence 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 (then the execute command) every 108 minutes, or else - well, no one knows what happens otherwise. Up to now no one has dared to find out. What a bleakly funny comment on the human condition: enslavement, through blind faith or fear, to a chore whose purpose is no more known to its followers than the consequences of their not doing it.
On the finale maybe we will find out what's the deal with this so-called "button" ritual.
Maybe we will also find out more about the Dharma Initiative, the mysterious research institute that built the bunker, left behind supplies and murky instructions, and at bad moments has the castaways dancing like puppets in the service of a so-far inscrutable exercise.
Maybe we'll even find why Oceanic flight 815 from Sydney crashed here, in the middle of nowhere, to start the whole "Lost" adventure - itself a basic piece of information up to now withheld from viewers.
But no matter how generous "Lost" proves on its finale, it is wrapping a season even richer and more groundbreaking than its freshman year. More assuredly than ever a set of paradoxes, "Lost" is infuriating in its lack of information yet overwhelming in its thick deposits of lore.
It is almost punishing in the demands it places on the viewer who seeks to be more than a surface observer. But at the same time, it is liberating: If the writers give their own imaginations free rein, which they obviously do, then "Lost" invites the viewer to do the same, if only to keep up.
Indeed, early on its viewers appropriated "Lost" for themselves. It belongs to the audience. The writers and actors just do most of the work.
But not all. "Lost" is not a series for couch potatoes. Parsing out buried meaning and clues has become part of the viewing process. The show gets in our heads and, like it or not, we ponder each episode for days. This is not a series to watch from the sidelines; it almost compels on-the-field participation.
Just as the bumblebee theoretically can't fly, "Lost" was a series that just couldn't work - at least, according to conventional TV wisdom. It was a stupid idea with a bloated cast, more beach time than "Baywatch," and - since the main motivation was solely to get off the island - limited dramatic possibilities.
In practice, the show's biggest threat was, on the contrary, its vast possibilities.
Among the many original acquaintances the viewer made were: Kate, the freckled former jailbird (Evangeline Lilly); Hurley (Jorge Garcia), the portly sweepstakes tycoon who says "dude" a lot; Jack, the doctor (Matthew Fox); and the mystical outdoorsman, Locke (Terry O'Quinn). But there is no shortage of new characters - both friends and enemies - replenishing what we first knew as the core group.
Every character represents another point of contact for the viewer, and another point-of-view: any event has multiple versions, thanks to each person who experienced it. Meanwhile, the flashbacks to characters' lives before that fateful crash let the series time-shift and place-shift wherever it might roam beyond the island.
As I envision the show's future, I can imagine a subset of characters somehow escaping from the island to rejoin the "real" world - where they are unable or unwilling to arrange help for the castaways they left behind. The series, while remaining on the island but also tracking the tortured readjustment of The Returnees, could then further expand to coexist in two or more realms at the same time.
That's just an idea, and maybe a lousy one.
My larger point is that, as "Lost" concludes a second year, it has demonstrated that what might have first seemed to be a silly gimmick - a random bunch of people thrown together in a crisis - instead has nearly inexhaustible potential for development.
The only real limits: writers' fatigue and viewers' fickleness. But on a series where dangers seem to lurk everywhere, neither of those seems likely to be among them anytime soon.
I agree with Hulk and that was my point. He saw the first opportunity and took it. He is Michael's father and based on the lethargy around the camp to rallying to get saved (see Bernard), no one there is willing to get killed for Walt.That was until AL and Libby died and now you have Sawyer, Jack and Hurley ready to get revenge. Killing AL and Libby actually is what got those 3 fully motivated.
It wasn't Ethan. Ethan didn't know Sawyer's real name because Hurley found it out from the passenger list and Ethan never had it (he wouldn't have given it back). That was also the last time anyone talked to Ethan, aside from Charlie/Claire, before they killed him.I think what it shows is that the Others did know something more about the plane. Maybe they have an Internet connection and got it online from the list of dead people or maybe they did have something to do with the crash and already knew who was going to be on board. Maybe we will find some of this out this week. Probably not.
THAT WAS WHAT I WAS SAYING! But, by using Sawyer's real name when they know that Michael will not recognize it (you know him as Sawyer), they are making the point that they know something more about the plane to Michael as well as the audience.It wasn't Ethan. Ethan didn't know Sawyer's real name because Hurley found it out from the passenger list and Ethan never had it (he wouldn't have given it back). That was also the last time anyone talked to Ethan, aside from Charlie/Claire, before they killed him.I think what it shows is that the Others did know something more about the plane. Maybe they have an Internet connection and got it online from the list of dead people or maybe they did have something to do with the crash and already knew who was going to be on board. Maybe we will find some of this out this week. Probably not.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I will be on a flight Wed. night so I will miss the live broadcast. I am wondering if ABC will put the finale up on the website (like they are doing with past episodes).
Otherwise, what is the preferred site to download episodes from?
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred.Even Hulk doesn't respond to my posts with the exact same theory one page back!
Blackhawk 69
Mr. C.
Maybe they got it from this thread. Maybe one of us is one of them.It wasn't Ethan. Ethan didn't know Sawyer's real name because Hurley found it out from the passenger list and Ethan never had it (he wouldn't have given it back). That was also the last time anyone talked to Ethan, aside from Charlie/Claire, before they killed him.I think what it shows is that the Others did know something more about the plane. Maybe they have an Internet connection and got it online from the list of dead people or maybe they did have something to do with the crash and already knew who was going to be on board. Maybe we will find some of this out this week. Probably not.
Oh, laugh it up. If I had any motivation at all, I would search all your posts to find where you messed up too. Consider yourself lucky that I don't, but you've been warned.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred.
Norwood has me shaken. I am using qualifiers in all my theories now.Edit to add: Look how shaken, I can't even reply in the right spot.Maybe they got it from this thread. Maybe one of us is one of them.It wasn't Ethan. Ethan didn't know Sawyer's real name because Hurley found it out from the passenger list and Ethan never had it (he wouldn't have given it back). That was also the last time anyone talked to Ethan, aside from Charlie/Claire, before they killed him.I think what it shows is that the Others did know something more about the plane. Maybe they have an Internet connection and got it online from the list of dead people or maybe they did have something to do with the crash and already knew who was going to be on board. Maybe we will find some of this out this week. Probably not.
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ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I just posted today that the Others were werewolves and that Walt was Jesus Christ. Enjoy.Oh, laugh it up. If I had any motivation at all, I would search all your posts to find where you messed up too. Consider yourself lucky that I don't, but you've been warned.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred.
I just posted today that the Others were werewolves and that Walt was Jesus Christ. Enjoy.Oh, laugh it up. If I had any motivation at all, I would search all your posts to find where you messed up too. Consider yourself lucky that I don't, but you've been warned.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred.
I know and I saw that. What don't you understand about lack of motivation?newsletter?I just posted today that the Others were werewolves and that Walt was Jesus Christ. Enjoy.Oh, laugh it up. If I had any motivation at all, I would search all your posts to find where you messed up too. Consider yourself lucky that I don't, but you've been warned.Damn you Norwood, you ruined my thread cred.
Dr. van Nostrand
4 8 15 16 23 42
It actually wasnt Desmond's vaccine. He took most, if not all, of it with him, including the injector. The vaccine Charlie found was in the supply drop, which shows that Desmond was taking it reguarly. Also, we know its purpose: to combat "the sickness". Two of the hatches have had QUARANTINE painted in large letters on the doors. Shortly after meeting the survivors, Desmond asks Jack if anyone from the group has gotten sick and died. Ethan injects Claire with the same vaccine to keep Aaron healthy.
No.
I have no clue what this means, but looking forward to the finale.I just rewatched last week's episode and saw some things that may have already been brought up, but I will bring them up again. Most of these thoughts are from the previews for this week's finale. These thoughts are not in any particular order, based on the previews, but are written as I remember the scene(s).
1. Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Michael, Kate (and Sayid?) go to the Other's camp (where they held Michael) but find no one there, based on them trashing the place looking for people or things. It's obvious that the Other's have moved back into hiding, or is it possible that they wanted Michael to bring the "chosen ones" to this camp, so that the Others could raid/pick off people/things from their hatch/camps.
2. You see Jack, Kate, and Michael in a clearing with what appears to be the tubes Locke used to send up the map he had drawn. It this the dumping ground for those tubes, or is where the tubes end up, once sent.
3. Kate appears to be incapacitated, based on a quick look, as she is being dragged along.
4. Locke attempts to smash the computer screen with what appears to be Ecko's stick, but you can see Ecko's arm come up in an attempt to stop Locked from doing much damage.
5. Jack really isn't shooting at the smoke monster, is he? I'm guessing he is, and not shooting at the others.
6. Jack puts Michael up against a wall and screams "You have to tell them the truth" (or something of that nature.) I'm guessing that this is after they have gone to the Other's camp and found no one, and come back to people and/or things missing from the hatch/camps.
6. Charlie is walking towards something of particular interest in the hatch (it appears) and then there is an explosion. Could the explosion be as a result from the Others attacking, or is it because the numbers were not entered in time. If you remember from last week's episode, Ecko's cross necklace was pulled away from his body, right before the time starting going off. Could it be that when the numbers are not entered, there is some kind of electromagnetical reaction that would cause this explosion?
7. Desmond is definitely not someone to mess with, based on looking at the Canadian preview clip (which I just did.) The way he looks when he says "This... is it" is definitely eerie. He could be guy in charge.
8. You see people in the boat, and it appears that they are ransacking the boat for some odd reason. I remember seeing Jin and possibly Michael on the boat, at the very least.
Also, I am too lazy to go back through some of these posts, but I remember a conversation about when Jack, Sawyer and Locke have their meeting with Zeke, and someone mentioned that Sawyer shot at Zeke, but it looked like the bullet bounced off him and came back at Sawyer. Looking at it again in last week's episode, I don't believe that Sawyer actually fired a shot. I think the shot came from one of the armed Others, to prevent Sawyer from shooting Zeke.
I know this has probably all been hashed and rehashed out, but I thought I would throw some thoughts out, based on my reviewing last week's episode.
1. Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Michael, Kate (and Sayid?) go to the Other's camp (where they held Michael) but find no one there, based on them trashing the place looking for people or things. It's obvious that the Other's have moved back into hiding, or is it possible that they wanted Michael to bring the "chosen ones" to this camp, so that the Others could raid/pick off people/things from their hatch/camps.
2. You see Jack, Kate, and Michael in a clearing with what appears to be the tubes Locke used to send up the map he had drawn. It this the dumping ground for those tubes, or is where the tubes end up, once sent.
3. Kate appears to be incapacitated, based on a quick look, as she is being dragged along.
4. Locke attempts to smash the computer screen with what appears to be Ecko's stick, but you can see Ecko's arm come up in an attempt to stop Locked from doing much damage.
5. Jack really isn't shooting at the smoke monster, is he? I'm guessing he is, and not shooting at the others.
6. Jack puts Michael up against a wall and screams "You have to tell them the truth" (or something of that nature.) I'm guessing that this is after they have gone to the Other's camp and found no one, and come back to people and/or things missing from the hatch/camps.
6. Charlie is walking towards something of particular interest in the hatch (it appears) and then there is an explosion. Could the explosion be as a result from the Others attacking, or is it because the numbers were not entered in time. If you remember from last week's episode, Ecko's cross necklace was pulled away from his body, right before the time starting going off. Could it be that when the numbers are not entered, there is some kind of electromagnetical reaction that would cause this explosion?
7. Desmond is definitely not someone to mess with, based on looking at the Canadian preview clip (which I just did.) The way he looks when he says "This... is it" is definitely eerie. He could be guy in charge.
8. You see people in the boat, and it appears that they are ransacking the boat for some odd reason. I remember seeing Jin and possibly Michael on the boat, at the very least.
Also, I am too lazy to go back through some of these posts, but I remember a conversation about when Jack, Sawyer and Locke have their meeting with Zeke, and someone mentioned that Sawyer shot at Zeke, but it looked like the bullet bounced off him and came back at Sawyer. Looking at it again in last week's episode, I don't believe that Sawyer actually fired a shot. I think the shot came from one of the armed Others, to prevent Sawyer from shooting Zeke.
I know this has probably all been hashed and rehashed out, but I thought I would throw some thoughts out, based on my reviewing last week's episode.
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I didn't. Are you sure that he isn't on the beach in the finale since it is supposed to be sort of Desmond centric.With all of the saying/not saying Alex type stuff, I couldn't imagine that no one here would have seen that or visited another site that showed a picture of it.
Buckychudd
Footballguy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28TV_series%29
I hadn't realized they discredited the Monster/Nanobot theory. Although I read the article and he says "although it depends on how you define nanobots".
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