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***Official Minnesota Vikings 2011 Thread*** (1 Viewer)

'Hov34 said:
'mr roboto said:
'SWC said:
luck will be better than rg3 forget about it but the vikes should keep ponder he is a good developing player and get some help at other positions such as coach and offensive line
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We really should draft a coach.
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This, Frazier is a nice guy, but in over his head. And I am so sick of the Tamp/Cover 2 I can't stand it.
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I'm surprised he hasn't been fired yet. He is absolutely terrible and he has looked lost since the games began. He buttered us all up with some great talk during the offseason but he failed to deliver on any of the things he was describing he would change. The offense has been an absolute joke, the defense has been embarrassing, even special teams has been terrible. He talked about utilizing his best players and focusing the offense on our playmakers but he has delivered the exact opposite. Force feeding Harvin to start almost every game just to keep the media and fans off his back has done nothing but put our team in big holes to try and climb out of. Its time for Wylf to step up and hire a real coach, he hasn't been shy about spending money on players but he seems to like to be cheap with coaches like Childress and Frazier. Put some real money down if you want a new stadium, hire a decent coach, hire a real GM and get this team back to being a legit NFL team.
 
Frazier definitely has some culpability for the team performance this year but I'm having a tough time giving him the lion's share or advocating firing him. The talent on this team is just bad, with glaring and insurmountable lack of skill at key positions (OL/secondary). Also everyone knew they'd take their lumps playing a rookie QB, and they definitely have with all the turnovers in recent weeks. If Frazier was losing with high talent, then yeah he could be judged. But other than AP/J.Allen, I'm just not seeing it.

 
I think you would hear a change of tune in Zygi if he thought he had a chance at a big time coach like Fisher or Gruden. I am still thinking there is going to be a change. I am hoping for a new high profile coach, either Luck/Blackmon/Kalil with our 1st round pick, and dropping alot of fat on this team and freeing up some money to sign some offensive line, defensive secondary, and at least 1 really good WR. I know I am asking alot but after these 2 years of brutality we Vikings fans deserve it....lol.

 
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what if the vikigs could somehow get spiller on their team they could have a four headed monster with ap spiller toby mcguire and ponder they could be called the hydra and run every play with some crazy gaget plays to harvin and man what in the heck would you even do jeez that would be scary

 
'ConfusedRealist said:
'Hov34 said:
'mr roboto said:
'SWC said:
luck will be better than rg3 forget about it but the vikes should keep ponder he is a good developing player and get some help at other positions such as coach and offensive line
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We really should draft a coach.
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This, Frazier is a nice guy, but in over his head. And I am so sick of the Tamp/Cover 2 I can't stand it.
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I'm surprised he hasn't been fired yet. He is absolutely terrible and he has looked lost since the games began. He buttered us all up with some great talk during the offseason but he failed to deliver on any of the things he was describing he would change. The offense has been an absolute joke, the defense has been embarrassing, even special teams has been terrible. He talked about utilizing his best players and focusing the offense on our playmakers but he has delivered the exact opposite. Force feeding Harvin to start almost every game just to keep the media and fans off his back has done nothing but put our team in big holes to try and climb out of. Its time for Wylf to step up and hire a real coach, he hasn't been shy about spending money on players but he seems to like to be cheap with coaches like Childress and Frazier. Put some real money down if you want a new stadium, hire a decent coach, hire a real GM and get this team back to being a legit NFL team.
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I think Pagac is in way over his head...granted the secondary has been depleted because of a ton of reasons...Pagac doesn't seem to make any kind of adjustments to account for the personnel changes.
 
'SWC said:
what if the vikigs could somehow get spiller on their team they could have a four headed monster with ap spiller toby mcguire and ponder they could be called the hydra and run every play with some crazy gaget plays to harvin and man what in the heck would you even do jeez that would be scary
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WTF? :confused:
 
WOW.. Nice to see the Colts pull off the Victory last night!! :excited:

Article over at NFL.com laid out the draft prior to last nights game:

» When there is a tie for draft order, the first tiebreaker is strength of schedule, with the team with the easier (lower) strength of schedule picking first.

» If the Colts lose to the Texans, the best their strength of schedule could be at the end of the season is .5469.

» If the Vikings lose their final two games, the worst their strength of schedule could be also is .5469.

» The Rams' strength of schedule could be at worst .5586, so they cannot land the No. 1 pick if the Colts lose a 14th game because Indy's best strength of schedule would be lower than the worst possible for St. Louis.
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So, if the Colts can win vs. The Jags next week, and the Vikings lose their last two,The Off season is going to be one of the funniest off season for us Viking fans in a long long time!!! :excited:
 
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It wouldn' t be surprised if the draft order end up being Rams, Colts and then Vikings. St Louis are playing playoff teams that are motivated to win for homefield advantage etc. Vikings have a chance of beating Washington or Chicago. If Indy can beat Houston they definitely can beat the the Jags.

Ponder has to be motivated to win knowing if he loses both then he will likely be replaced by Luck.

 
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Jesus just when you think it couldnt get any worse as a Vikings fan, our best player suffers a terrible injury that he might not ever be able to recover from and we go and beat the Redskins not only costing us any hope at Andrew Luck but also at Matt Kalil. After Thursday's night game I was pumped and looking forward to maybe an exciting offseason with possibly the #1 pick and now I couldnt care less. I know I will feel different but right now I am thinking bring on baseball season. I wouldnt be suprised if we beat the Bears next week and all the teams with 4 wins lose so we also end up with 4 wins and 3 or so other teams hold the tiebreaker against us and we get the 7th pick. This sucks!

 
What looked to be a :excited: off season just entered the :unsure:

The average consensus is it takes close to a year to recover from a torn ACL for RB's so now that position goes from secure to a big question mark..

Add in winning the game that will probably drop them down to the 3rd pick( IF they don't win next week ) and now we can only hope they hit the Free agent market HARD or next season will be just as tough to watch as this one.. :kicksrock:

 
Unfortunately I would guess Vikes will win next week with Webb at QB, because quite frankly the guy can do no wrong. All he does is lead a hapless team on scoring drives. The pass to Rudolph was brilliant. Too bad no one at Winter Park ever thought of him as a franchise QB, but for his sake I hope someone in the NFL is paying attention to the nice little resume he's putting together.

 
'BigJim® said:
Unfortunately I would guess Vikes will win next week with Webb at QB, because quite frankly the guy can do no wrong. All he does is lead a hapless team on scoring drives. The pass to Rudolph was brilliant. Too bad no one at Winter Park ever thought of him as a franchise QB, but for his sake I hope someone in the NFL is paying attention to the nice little resume he's putting together.
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Frazier is paying attention. :excited: We have Webb signed for a few more seasons. Both Ponder and Webb look really good at times, and both look really bad at others.
Vikings will take a 'real hard look' at starting Joe Webb

--Tom Pelissero

Two appearances. Two rallies.

That was enough for coach Leslie Frazier to open the door on Saturday afternoon for the possibility of Joe Webb as the Minnesota Vikings' quarterback of the future.

"Some of the things he does, man, and what it does to the rest of our team -- you can't ignore it," Frazier said after Webb led three touchdown drives in relief of injured Christian Ponder and the Vikings beat the Washington Redskins 33-26.

"It's something we're going to take a real hard look at as we go forward. He definitely lifts our team. He's done it. He did it a season ago as well."

Webb threw only five passes, completing four of them for 84 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran five times for 34 yards and another score after taking over with the Vikings trailing 13-10 and 10:40 left in the third quarter.

This, 13 days after Webb relieved Ponder at Detroit, sliced a 17-point deficit to six and had the Vikings only 1 yard from what could have been the winning touchdown.

"Magic. He's gifted, man," receiver Percy Harvin said. "He's one of the gifted players that you can't describe. You can't practice it. Not too many teams got quarterbacks that can do what he does."

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Well talk about getting kicked in the nuts on top of this already ####ty season. Lose out on Luck and Kalil and lose the only reason worth watching Vikings games lately for who knows how long. I hope AP comes back 90% of what he was but, knowing how cursed this team is, it seems unlikely. Anyway, how talented is Joe Webb? I'd like to see him start half a season of QB to see how teams would fare against him if they had time to implement a game plan for him. He reminds me of Tebow, only he's a better runner and a better passer. I think if he looks good next week, we'll have a QB battle this offseason.

 
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Local news is reporting the Vikings are close to signing a deal stay in Minnesota. The story is very vague and I really have no idea what kind of "deal" it could be outside of signing a one year extension on the Metrodome lease that expires after the season. If so, this is very good news.

KSTP

 
Losing Peterson sucks but I can't say that I was all that disappointed in the win. I was more disappointed that the team wasn't playing up to its potential in the previous losses. Besides, moving down the draft board a spot or two is not the end of the world. Vikings now have the option to take Blackmon or move down for a corner back and extra pick or two.

I also imagine that a QB needy team may want to trade into the top 2 for Griffen which means Kalil will still be available at 3.

 
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'Donnybrook said:
Losing Peterson sucks but I can't say that I was all that disappointed in the win. I was more disappointed that the team wasn't playing up to its potential in the previous losses. Besides, moving down the draft board a spot or two is not the end of the world. Vikings now have the option to take Blackmon or move down for a corner back and extra pick or two. I also imagine that a QB needy team may want to trade into the top 2 for Griffen which means Kalil will still be available at 3.
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What he said.The Vikes have so many needs at this point that losing one spot in the draft is probably not a big deal. If they can't take kalil, move onto Blackmon or a DB. Of course, this being the Vikings, they'll end up beating the Bears next week and it'll cost them a shot at the top guys at each of those positions...
 
'Donnybrook said:
I also imagine that a QB needy team may want to trade into the top 2 for Griffen which means Kalil will still be available at 3.
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So they should trade out of the top to and back into the 3rd spot?If they were to trade out of the 3rd spot, it would probably be to Cleveland at 5, Washington at 7, Miami at 8, and mayyyybe Kansas City at 10.

I wouldn't mind them ending up at any of those spots. There are quite a few CBs that they could take in the top 15. If they want a tackle they'll likely have to stay in the top 10 though.

 
i am sorry that ap is hurt he is a warrior and i hope that he gets better soon and successffully so that he can dominate the league in all categories again next year best wishes and my sympathies i never wish for injuries to anyone except ray caruth he can pretty much go to hell take it to the bank

 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Donnybrook said:
I also imagine that a QB needy team may want to trade into the top 2 for Griffen which means Kalil will still be available at 3.
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So they should trade out of the top to and back into the 3rd spot?

If they were to trade out of the 3rd spot, it would probably be to Cleveland at 5, Washington at 7, Miami at 8, and mayyyybe Kansas City at 10.

I wouldn't mind them ending up at any of those spots. There are quite a few CBs that they could take in the top 15. If they want a tackle they'll likely have to stay in the top 10 though.
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I sometimes let my imagination run away with me. I was assuming that Luck and Griffen go top 2 and either Indy or St Louis trade down. Probably too early to guess what might happen.
 
'Donnybrook said:
I sometimes let my imagination run away with me. I was assuming that Luck and Griffen go top 2 and either Indy or St Louis trade down. Probably too early to guess what might happen.
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I gotcha. I'm hoping for Kalil. I still think that Ponder is the future but even if Webb somehow wins the job, the team still needs to protect whomever is standing back there.
 
'ArcticEdge said:
http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34041683Seems like we are in Mudville, and the clouds and rain arent going away, but this is something.. If we moved to LA, I would never watch football again. And I love football. Hopefully they get a deal done.
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Congrats, I really hope the Vikes stay, great fanbase, more than deserving they are part of the NFL bedrock.But I do think if the Vikes want to return to the Super Bowl they need to play outdoors again. Four SB appearances when outside, none since. As Packer fans if they enjoy knowing teams have to factor in weather when going to GB in January.
 
Hoping Kalil will be there for the Vikings at pick 3. If not I think the Vikings should trade down and go either DB or one of the other Tackles.

We need a lot of players so trading down could help that effort. Kalil seems to be the only player for the Vikings that would be worth taking with a top 5 pick.

 
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