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*** OFFICIAL NLCS THREAD *** (1 Viewer)

Nice hustle by Burrell getting over there to get it back in but of course that goes unnoticed since it doesn't match the slow-footed stereotype.

 
JaxBill said:
Nice hustle by Burrell getting over there to get it back in but of course that goes unnoticed since it doesn't match the slow-footed stereotype.
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:potkettle:We've seen our version of that with Manny, who actually has made some plays in LF.
 
nice win for Philly. One bad inning for Lowe, Furcal and LA.

See you all tomorrow at 1 pacific for game 2.

If Billingsly can steal one tomorrow, looks good going back to LA 1-1.

 
That game came down to one foot (away from a home run by Manny), one error by Furcal, and one of two gopher balls by Lowe, and if you change any two of those things the game ends differently. Gotta love playoff baseball.

Good game to the Phils - they weathered the best Lowe had to offer, stayed patient and got a couple of pitches that played to their strengths.

 
Tatum Bell said:
That game came down to one foot (away from a home run by Manny), one error by Furcal, and one of two gopher balls by Lowe, and if you change any two of those things the game ends differently. Gotta love playoff baseball. Good game to the Phils - they weathered the best Lowe had to offer, stayed patient and got a couple of pitches that played to their strengths.
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Was a very good game all the way aroundDodgers were a bit unlucky on the Ramirez blast as that's a homer in probably every other ballpark in the majors (except perhaps, ironically, Fenway)I still think this series is going 7
 
Tatum Bell said:
Limp Ditka said:
Tatum Bell said:
So they're going to pitch to Manny . . .
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... and paying for it.
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There wasn't a spot he could have hit that to in the air in that ballpark that was any farther without it leaving. That was crushed.
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There was a great aerial shot of the park later in the game, and I went back and paused it. Indeed, that is THE deepest part of that ballpark, deeper than right center, and higher. It really was the only place he could have hit it to stay in. Too bad.
 
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
Tatum Bell said:
Vinny: "The key to the inning is Manny Ramirez's good play, keeping Burrell to a single."

:hot:
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I've got to say that I've been pleasantly surprised at both the hustle and level of play Manny has shown in Dodger blue.
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True, but that that double should have been a triple. And there was a passed ball after that...although I don't buy that crap that there would have been one (a passed ball) no matter what.
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While I still don't/won't think that the exact same thing would have transpired (passed ball) with Manny at third, it very well could have been a game-changing kind of thing. He should have run out of the ####### box.I hate, especially at times like those, players who take things for granted. It took way too long (20 yrs for LA), and you worked way too hard, to have stupidity ruin it for everybody else that also waited so long. Many of your teammates will never be here again...DON'T ####### DO THAT ####!!!

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Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Mr. Brownstone said:
Tatum Bell said:
Vinny: "The key to the inning is Manny Ramirez's good play, keeping Burrell to a single."

:lmao:
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I've got to say that I've been pleasantly surprised at both the hustle and level of play Manny has shown in Dodger blue.
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True, but that that double should have been a triple. And there was a passed ball after that...although I don't buy that crap that there would have been one (a passed ball) no matter what.
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While I still don't/won't think that the exact same thing would have transpired (passed ball) with Manny at third, it very well could have been a game-changing kind of thing. He should have run out of the ####### box.I hate, especially at times like those, players who take things for granted. It took way too long (20 yrs for LA), and you worked way too hard, to have stupidity ruin it for everybody else that also waited so long. Many of your teammates will never be here again...DON'T ####### DO THAT ####!!!

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LOL at people expecting Manny to hit triples. He has 18 career triples in over 9000 PAs. Manny has done everything the Dodgers could have possibly hoped for since the trade and now fans want triples? Maybe he can pitch game 4 too.
 
Settle down, all I'm talking about is him leaving the ####### batters box. And you turn that into me wanting and expecting him to hit triples? :lmao: Please...like I'm not ecstatic about his arrival. Is it you that's embellishing, or the booze?

 
I agree Sonny...but that's the #### that got him eventually in the soup in Boston.

Game 1 of the LCS and he stands there and admires his shot. Jesus.

 
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Tatum Bell said:
Limp Ditka said:
Tatum Bell said:
So they're going to pitch to Manny . . .
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... and paying for it.
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There wasn't a spot he could have hit that to in the air in that ballpark that was any farther without it leaving. That was crushed.
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There was a great aerial shot of the park later in the game, and I went back and paused it. Indeed, that is THE deepest part of that ballpark, deeper than right center, and higher. It really was the only place he could have hit it to stay in. Too bad.
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I've watched hundreds of games and I don't think I can recall a ball glancing off that part of the wall. Crazy spot.
 
Tatum Bell said:
That game came down to one foot (away from a home run by Manny), one error by Furcal, and one of two gopher balls by Lowe, and if you change any two of those things the game ends differently. Gotta love playoff baseball. Good game to the Phils - they weathered the best Lowe had to offer, stayed patient and got a couple of pitches that played to their strengths.
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:goodposting: It doesn't take much to make a difference in a playoff game. When I saw Manny's bomb hit off the wall, I remember being pretty ticked and hoping that wouldn't be the difference in the game. Hamels was very good after that - only a well-placed Kemp bloop generated the other run.ETA: What's up with the 1pm start time today? I know Fox wants to get it out of the way and all, but did they consider that many people in Los Angeles might want to watch the game?
 
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The Kansas Comet said:
Tatum Bell said:
That game came down to one foot (away from a home run by Manny), one error by Furcal, and one of two gopher balls by Lowe, and if you change any two of those things the game ends differently. Gotta love playoff baseball. Good game to the Phils - they weathered the best Lowe had to offer, stayed patient and got a couple of pitches that played to their strengths.
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:scared: It doesn't take much to make a difference in a playoff game. When I saw Manny's bomb hit off the wall, I remember being pretty ticked and hoping that wouldn't be the difference in the game. Hamels was very good after that - only a well-placed Kemp bloop generated the other run.ETA: What's up with the 1pm start time today? I know Fox wants to get it out of the way and all, but did they consider that many people in Los Angeles might want to watch the game?
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The reason is probably that the teams are traveling back across country after the game for game 3 in LA. :shrug:BTW, is anyone else expecting a surprise Kershaw start? I am. He's a lefty and I could see Torre springing it on him shortly before a home start so as not to get him thinking about it too much. Kershaw looks like the kind of guy who's going to be unfazed by that though, sort of reminiscent of Bob Welch 30 years ago vs. the Yankees.
 
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With Ethier on 2nd there is no guarantee that Manny gets a triple. Knowing that a ball of the wall would allow him to score easily from 2nd, he may have been at the base to tag up and get to third on a catch. Manny would need to be mindful of where he is. Even if Etheir is half way to third, you dont want to force him to go home, or put yourself into a position where you are thrown out at 3rd.

I have no issue with the double there, runner on third maybe the pitcher doesnt throw the pass ball (hes more careful, different pitch selection/location).

Too many ifs to get upset at Manny for not getting a triple. He hit a bomb that is a HR in ANY other park. I am sure its a HR in Fenway too. Manny haters need to relax. How about some hits out of the bottom of the order?

How about Furcal not rushing a throw and getting the first run out?

Anyway, 1 pm start!

 
B Maverick said:
With Ethier on 2nd there is no guarantee that Manny gets a triple. Knowing that a ball of the wall would allow him to score easily from 2nd, he may have been at the base to tag up and get to third on a catch. Manny would need to be mindful of where he is. Even if Etheir is half way to third, you dont want to force him to go home, or put yourself into a position where you are thrown out at 3rd. I have no issue with the double there, runner on third maybe the pitcher doesnt throw the pass ball (hes more careful, different pitch selection/location). Too many ifs to get upset at Manny for not getting a triple. He hit a bomb that is a HR in ANY other park. I am sure its a HR in Fenway too. Manny haters need to relax. How about some hits out of the bottom of the order?How about Furcal not rushing a throw and getting the first run out? Anyway, 1 pm start!
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I agree completely. I don't understand the criticism there of Manny. He's already in scoring position with Martin coming up, so taking a risk with a not-so-fast runner going to third doesn't make a lot of sense. Take your double and RBI, and let Martin see if he can wash, rinse and repeat.
 
You guys being serious? He sat there and stared at the ball and then slowly jogged into second.

Stop making dumb excuses. I know he's been a godsend to your team but you sound ridiculous defending that play. He clearly dogged it and it cost you a run in a one-run game.

 
Capella said:
You guys being serious? He sat there and stared at the ball and then slowly jogged into second.Stop making dumb excuses. I know he's been a godsend to your team but you sound ridiculous defending that play. He clearly dogged it and it cost you a run in a one-run game.
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Yes he dogged it out of the box. But to assume that he could have made it to third is absurd. And how did he cost a run? he is still in scoring position, noone got the hit to get him in.
 
B Maverick said:
Capella said:
You guys being serious? He sat there and stared at the ball and then slowly jogged into second.

Stop making dumb excuses. I know he's been a godsend to your team but you sound ridiculous defending that play. He clearly dogged it and it cost you a run in a one-run game.
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Yes he dogged it out of the box. But to assume that he could have made it to third is absurd. And how did he cost a run? he is still in scoring position, noone got the hit to get him in.
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The point here is that he dogged it. Instead of focusing on defending him, and your points indeed have merit, realize that he clearly made a mistake -- because he was showboating. That's all. Now whether it cost them or not we'll never know, but that's a different topic altogether. I just hate the simple fact that he made what could very well have been a mistake that changed the outcome. If it was an error left of something, fine, it happens. I'm okay with that. But because he decides to stop and admire his work, he costs his team a better chance at scoring.

Well, I just hate that kind of ####. Always bothers me, always will -- does not matter what player it is (Giambi, for instance).

 
Tatum Bell said:
The Kansas Comet said:
Tatum Bell said:
That game came down to one foot (away from a home run by Manny), one error by Furcal, and one of two gopher balls by Lowe, and if you change any two of those things the game ends differently. Gotta love playoff baseball.

Good game to the Phils - they weathered the best Lowe had to offer, stayed patient and got a couple of pitches that played to their strengths.
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:goodposting: It doesn't take much to make a difference in a playoff game. When I saw Manny's bomb hit off the wall, I remember being pretty ticked and hoping that wouldn't be the difference in the game. Hamels was very good after that - only a well-placed Kemp bloop generated the other run.

ETA: What's up with the 1pm start time today? I know Fox wants to get it out of the way and all, but did they consider that many people in Los Angeles might want to watch the game?
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The reason is probably that the teams are traveling back across country after the game for game 3 in LA. :angry: BTW, is anyone else expecting a surprise Kershaw start? I am. He's a lefty and I could see Torre springing it on him shortly before a home start so as not to get him thinking about it too much. Kershaw looks like the kind of guy who's going to be unfazed by that though, sort of reminiscent of Bob Welch 30 years ago vs. the Yankees.
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I expect Kershaw to start game 4. After a game 1 loss, it makes sense. If the Dodgers are down, then there isn't a ton of pressure on him to perform well. If they are up 2-1, that offers a similar non-pressure packed scenerio, as well.I was initally sour on a 1 PM start, but then I realized that it is a good reason to take the day off of work. Go Dodgers.

 
Capella said:
There was a passed ball two batters later.
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Doesnt guarantee it is thrown if he is on third. Just as absurd.
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
B Maverick said:
Capella said:
You guys being serious? He sat there and stared at the ball and then slowly jogged into second.

Stop making dumb excuses. I know he's been a godsend to your team but you sound ridiculous defending that play. He clearly dogged it and it cost you a run in a one-run game.
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Yes he dogged it out of the box. But to assume that he could have made it to third is absurd. And how did he cost a run? he is still in scoring position, noone got the hit to get him in.
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The point here is that he dogged it. Instead of focusing on defending him, and your points indeed have merit, realize that he clearly made a mistake -- because he was showboating. That's all. Now whether it cost them or not we'll never know, but that's a different topic altogether. I just hate the simple fact that he made what could very well have been a mistake that changed the outcome. If it was an error left of something, fine, it happens. I'm okay with that. But because he decides to stop and admire his work, he costs his team a better chance at scoring.

Well, I just hate that kind of ####. Always bothers me, always will -- does not matter what player it is (Giambi, for instance).
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Am I upset he dogged it out of the box? Sure. But the bashing is ridiculous. Blaming him for the loss because of it is absurd. Its the 1st inning. Furcal's error. Getting only 7 hits. Lowe's two bad pitches. So far you are the first to acknowledge its ONLY a better chance of scoring. Everyone seems to think that he was guaranteed a triple and that the passball was guaranteed to happen two batters later. Neither are true. They are possible but not guaranteed. With a runner on third that pitch probably isnt called for knowing a passball makes it 2-0.

Get on his case for not running hard. But to blame him for the loss and saying he changed the game is flat out not true.

If Martin gets a hit, he scores from 2nd and this is a non issue. How about if Blake or Dewitt get a hit? Or Furcal? why arent they being blamed?

Does Manny get a pass from Dodger fans? YES. IS it deserved? right now, YES.

Did he get the same pass for 8 years up until his trade by Boston Fans? YES. Now the haters are all laying it on whenever possible, whether realistic or not.

 
B Maverick said:
Capella said:
There was a passed ball two batters later.
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Doesnt guarantee it is thrown if he is on third. Just as absurd.
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
B Maverick said:
Capella said:
You guys being serious? He sat there and stared at the ball and then slowly jogged into second.

Stop making dumb excuses. I know he's been a godsend to your team but you sound ridiculous defending that play. He clearly dogged it and it cost you a run in a one-run game.
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Yes he dogged it out of the box. But to assume that he could have made it to third is absurd. And how did he cost a run? he is still in scoring position, noone got the hit to get him in.
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The point here is that he dogged it. Instead of focusing on defending him, and your points indeed have merit, realize that he clearly made a mistake -- because he was showboating. That's all. Now whether it cost them or not we'll never know, but that's a different topic altogether. I just hate the simple fact that he made what could very well have been a mistake that changed the outcome. If it was an error left of something, fine, it happens. I'm okay with that. But because he decides to stop and admire his work, he costs his team a better chance at scoring.

Well, I just hate that kind of ####. Always bothers me, always will -- does not matter what player it is (Giambi, for instance).
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Am I upset he dogged it out of the box? Sure. But the bashing is ridiculous. Blaming him for the loss because of it is absurd. Its the 1st inning. Furcal's error. Getting only 7 hits. Lowe's two bad pitches.
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You are putting things in your head here. NOBODY even remotely blamed Manny for the loss. Nobody even "assumed" it, which you are now calling absurd (but it didn't happen). You are defending things that weren't even mentioned. You go on to talk about all the other ways (Furcal) they could have lost. Fine, but that is simply not the topic at hand. You are turning a criticism of his showboating into "people hating" on him. Again, how did that evolve into "everybody" and "hating" on him?

I think the defensive reactions regarding Manny here are knee-jerk. If you read everything again, it's just a critique of his play, which in the playoffs no less, is what all of this is about. Everything is under a microscope, it's great! I could talk about Furcal's miscue at length, it's fun. But, at least his wasn't on purpose... :whistle:

Anyway, GO BLUE!

 
Mr. Brownstone said:
Tatum Bell said:
The Kansas Comet said:
Tatum Bell said:
That game came down to one foot (away from a home run by Manny), one error by Furcal, and one of two gopher balls by Lowe, and if you change any two of those things the game ends differently. Gotta love playoff baseball.

Good game to the Phils - they weathered the best Lowe had to offer, stayed patient and got a couple of pitches that played to their strengths.
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:whistle: It doesn't take much to make a difference in a playoff game. When I saw Manny's bomb hit off the wall, I remember being pretty ticked and hoping that wouldn't be the difference in the game. Hamels was very good after that - only a well-placed Kemp bloop generated the other run.

ETA: What's up with the 1pm start time today? I know Fox wants to get it out of the way and all, but did they consider that many people in Los Angeles might want to watch the game?
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The reason is probably that the teams are traveling back across country after the game for game 3 in LA. :shrug: BTW, is anyone else expecting a surprise Kershaw start? I am. He's a lefty and I could see Torre springing it on him shortly before a home start so as not to get him thinking about it too much. Kershaw looks like the kind of guy who's going to be unfazed by that though, sort of reminiscent of Bob Welch 30 years ago vs. the Yankees.
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I expect Kershaw to start game 4. After a game 1 loss, it makes sense. If the Dodgers are down, then there isn't a ton of pressure on him to perform well. If they are up 2-1, that offers a similar non-pressure packed scenerio, as well.I was initally sour on a 1 PM start, but then I realized that it is a good reason to take the day off of work. Go Dodgers.
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Yeah, I'm expecting something big out of Kershaw at some point...had that feeling for awhile. I would rather they start him. Just give him the ball at home and say go for it kid. :thumbup:
 
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