***Official Pack @ SF*** (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

So is Justin Smith playing?

 

[Zab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s6Kn7YRpws0Aaron Rodgers is motivated.

 

[smackdaddies]

So is Justin Smith playing?

it appears the magic 8 ball says Yes

 

[5Rings]

No doubt Moss is going to have to step up. Lots of attention will be on Crab this weekend. I just hope Kaep has learned how to get it to him on the deep routes. So many times, the ball was not put in the right place for Moss to make a play on it.

Am I the only one that thinks Harbaugh emphasized Kaep to stay in the pocket more over these last few games rather than tuck and run with a master plan to unleash his feet this weekend? Just a hunch but I'm thinking Kaep finishes the day with close to 100 on the ground and maybe 1 rushing TD.

After the way GB dominated a running QB this past weekend I don't think that is very likely. Any team is at maximum advantage when the run/pass split is 50%. On the year, SF is 497/492 for pass/run. SF can do still do both very well with Kaep I expect their ratio to be near 50% for this game as well.

I'd debate it was a RB or WR attempting to play QB.

Yah these attempts to compare Kaep to Joe Webb are terrible and need to stop

 

[smackdaddies]

No doubt Moss is going to have to step up. Lots of attention will be on Crab this weekend. I just hope Kaep has learned how to get it to him on the deep routes. So many times, the ball was not put in the right place for Moss to make a play on it.

Am I the only one that thinks Harbaugh emphasized Kaep to stay in the pocket more over these last few games rather than tuck and run with a master plan to unleash his feet this weekend? Just a hunch but I'm thinking Kaep finishes the day with close to 100 on the ground and maybe 1 rushing TD.

After the way GB dominated a running QB this past weekend I don't think that is very likely. Any team is at maximum advantage when the run/pass split is 50%. On the year, SF is 497/492 for pass/run. SF can do still do both very well with Kaep I expect their ratio to be near 50% for this game as well.

I'd debate it was a RB or WR attempting to play QB.

Yah these attempts to compare Kaep to Joe Webb are terrible and need to stop

Performance wise `1`Kaep is a top 10 qb. Webb is not even back up quality in the nfl

 

[tdmills]

I don't think I could favor either team at this point. Hope for a good game is all.

 

[butcher boy]

It doesn't even matter though. We're more than ready to face Aaron Rodgers after facing Brian Hoyer and Ryan Tannehill late in the season.

 

[sho nuff]

No doubt Moss is going to have to step up. Lots of attention will be on Crab this weekend. I just hope Kaep has learned how to get it to him on the deep routes. So many times, the ball was not put in the right place for Moss to make a play on it.

Am I the only one that thinks Harbaugh emphasized Kaep to stay in the pocket more over these last few games rather than tuck and run with a master plan to unleash his feet this weekend? Just a hunch but I'm thinking Kaep finishes the day with close to 100 on the ground and maybe 1 rushing TD.

After the way GB dominated a running QB this past weekend I don't think that is very likely. Any team is at maximum advantage when the run/pass split is 50%. On the year, SF is 497/492 for pass/run. SF can do still do both very well with Kaep I expect their ratio to be near 50% for this game as well.

I'd debate it was a RB or WR attempting to play QB.

Yah these attempts to compare Kaep to Joe Webb are terrible and need to stop

I don't think most are comparing the two other than running ability.The only thing it helps is for GB to have just seen a running QB to be more aware of it and the game speed of such a player.

But the two (Webb and Kaep) are far different in throwing ability. Much much much bigger challenge on that this week.

The good thing is...Gore and Peterson are different too. Not taking away from Gore...very good runner who ran over GB in week 1.

But the difference in him and Peterson as far as ability to bounce it outside and really hurt you is quite large.

 

[Norcalhoya]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the ninersKaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

 

[butcher boy]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

In reference to the bolded, this will only be true if he has a game like the Rams game where he pretty much fell apart. I'm more concerned about the defense playing up to its standard. It's still the strength of this team and if it doesnt play well, it doesn't matter who the starting QB is.

 

[drummer]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

In reference to the bolded, this will only be true if he has a game like the Rams game where he pretty much fell apart. I'm more concerned about the defense playing up to its standard. It's still the strength of this team and if it doesnt play well, it doesn't matter who the starting QB is.

Jeff Fisher pretty much ended Smith's career in SF.

 

[drummer]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the ninersKaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

Someone needs to go to the Kaep thread.

 

[Dark Matter]

No doubt Moss is going to have to step up. Lots of attention will be on Crab this weekend. I just hope Kaep has learned how to get it to him on the deep routes. So many times, the ball was not put in the right place for Moss to make a play on it.

Am I the only one that thinks Harbaugh emphasized Kaep to stay in the pocket more over these last few games rather than tuck and run with a master plan to unleash his feet this weekend? Just a hunch but I'm thinking Kaep finishes the day with close to 100 on the ground and maybe 1 rushing TD.

After the way GB dominated a running QB this past weekend I don't think that is very likely. Any team is at maximum advantage when the run/pass split is 50%. On the year, SF is 497/492 for pass/run. SF can do still do both very well with Kaep I expect their ratio to be near 50% for this game as well.

I'd debate it was a RB or WR attempting to play QB.

Yah these attempts to compare Kaep to Joe Webb are terrible and need to stop

Agree on this. The Packer's D struggled early when running read option/pistol plays were called. Once Minnesota tried to throw it was all over. If Kaep manages this game the way he has shown he can and Harbaugh keeps GB on it's heels with a mix of run=pass. I see SF winning (I hope not, but that's how I see it).

 

[goldenchild]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense. Gotta minimize the variables to really compare.

 

[drummer]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense.

It's more than a little flawed. It's flat out horrid.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

It doesn't even matter though. We're more than ready to face Aaron Rodgers after facing Brian Hoyer and Ryan Tannehill late in the season.

Glad to see most folks realize it's silly to compare Kaepernick and Webb. I agree with BaBastage and others - the biggest key for SF is how healthy Justin Smith is. If he's mostly ineffective this game could get ugly for SF.

 

[sho nuff]

It doesn't even matter though. We're more than ready to face Aaron Rodgers after facing Brian Hoyer and Ryan Tannehill late in the season.

Glad to see most folks realize it's silly to compare Kaepernick and Webb. I agree with BaBastage and others - the biggest key for SF is how healthy Justin Smith is. If he's mostly ineffective this game could get ugly for SF.

Big key too will be for GB...if Newhouse can play like he did against Allen...it will help big time.He has not been all that good so many times...that its hard to expect him have 2 games in a row.

 

[tdmills]

Anyone else concerned about the GB WRs?Cobb practiced on Tuesday, sat out Wednesday(said he had the flu)Nelson didn't practice Tuesday or Wednesday. Looked like he reinjured his leg in the last game.

 

[5Rings]

Anyone else concerned about the GB WRs?

Cobb practiced on Tuesday, sat out Wednesday(said he had the flu)

Nelson didn't practice Tuesday or Wednesday. Looked like he reinjured his leg in the last game.

Yes, they are better than the SF DBs and have the best QB in the NFL throwing to them. Very concerned.I just can't see SF staying within 2 scores.

 

[smackdaddies]

Anyone else concerned about the GB WRs?

Cobb practiced on Tuesday, sat out Wednesday(said he had the flu)

Nelson didn't practice Tuesday or Wednesday. Looked like he reinjured his leg in the last game.

Yes, they are better than the SF DBs and have the best QB in the NFL throwing to them. Very concerned.I just can't see SF staying within 2 scores.

nice

 

[sho nuff]

Anyone else concerned about the GB WRs?Cobb practiced on Tuesday, sat out Wednesday(said he had the flu)Nelson didn't practice Tuesday or Wednesday. Looked like he reinjured his leg in the last game.

Not worried about Cobb.Nelson continues to get dinged up so that is a concern..but he has been that way for several weeks now.THey have Jennings back healthy, Cobb, and Jones stepping up.

 

[Norcalhoya]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense. Gotta minimize the variables to really compare.

Please. Williams was what the 5th receiving option? Hunter was the backup RB and James has filled in just fine in that role. Manningham was the 3rd (if not 4th) receiving option on the team for most of the year behind Crabtree, Davis, and possibly Moss. You make a million and one excuses for Kaep. Great. He still won't get it done. I'll shut up if he does. Proof's in the pudding.

 

[Norcalhoya]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense.

It's more than a little flawed. It's flat out horrid.

How is the argument horrid? If Kaep loses the game then his record will be worse than Smith's too. Do I need to bring Herm Edwards in to remind you why they play the game?

 

[goldenchild]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense. Gotta minimize the variables to really compare.

Please. Williams was what the 5th receiving option? Hunter was the backup RB and James has filled in just fine in that role. Manningham was the 3rd (if not 4th) receiving option on the team for most of the year behind Crabtree, Davis, and possibly Moss. You make a million and one excuses for Kaep. Great. He still won't get it done. I'll shut up if he does. Proof's in the pudding.

Not sure if you're or not. Seriously.Manningham was Kaep's go-to guy before he got injured, and he was having a solid season. Williams is probably our best slot WR after Crab moved outside, not to mention his much-better-than-Ginn return duties this year.

Not sure where you are getting "a million and one" excuses for Kaep. You are the one that wants to assume that if Smith could do it, then Kaep should too. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your apples to apples comparison.

Norcalhoya = Alex Smith?

 

[Norcalhoya]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense. Gotta minimize the variables to really compare.

Please. Williams was what the 5th receiving option? Hunter was the backup RB and James has filled in just fine in that role. Manningham was the 3rd (if not 4th) receiving option on the team for most of the year behind Crabtree, Davis, and possibly Moss. You make a million and one excuses for Kaep. Great. He still won't get it done. I'll shut up if he does. Proof's in the pudding.

Not sure if you're or not. Seriously.Manningham was Kaep's go-to guy before he got injured, and he was having a solid season. Williams is probably our best slot WR after Crab moved outside, not to mention his much-better-than-Ginn return duties this year.

Not sure where you are getting "a million and one" excuses for Kaep. You are the one that wants to assume that if Smith could do it, then Kaep should too. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your apples to apples comparison.

Norcalhoya = Alex Smith?

Haha I mean obviously I'm an Alex Smith fan and supporter. Harbaugh did him dirty that's for sure. Why would you go to such great lengths to praise a guy and say he's your QB and "earned" it and then drop him. It's a business, but no need to go out of your way to lie. Lost a lot of respect for Harbaugh as a Niner fan. Crabtree was/is Kaep's go to guy. Manningham is a loss for sure. Who's fault was that btw? Oh, that's right Kaep's for double pumping on a WR screen, leaving Manningham out to dry. Kaep's already lost us one game this year (blowing a 10 point lead under 4 minutes is losing the game).

How can you argue he is the better QB right now when he has a worse record, worse QBR, worse completion %, etc.?

 

[drummer]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense.

It's more than a little flawed. It's flat out horrid.

How is the argument horrid? If Kaep loses the game then his record will be worse than Smith's too. Do I need to bring Herm Edwards in to remind you why they play the game?

I couldn't believe you could do worse. Then you did.

 

[drummer]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense. Gotta minimize the variables to really compare.

Please. Williams was what the 5th receiving option? Hunter was the backup RB and James has filled in just fine in that role. Manningham was the 3rd (if not 4th) receiving option on the team for most of the year behind Crabtree, Davis, and possibly Moss. You make a million and one excuses for Kaep. Great. He still won't get it done. I'll shut up if he does. Proof's in the pudding.

Not sure if you're or not. Seriously.Manningham was Kaep's go-to guy before he got injured, and he was having a solid season. Williams is probably our best slot WR after Crab moved outside, not to mention his much-better-than-Ginn return duties this year.

Not sure where you are getting "a million and one" excuses for Kaep. You are the one that wants to assume that if Smith could do it, then Kaep should too. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your apples to apples comparison.

Norcalhoya = Alex Smith?

Haha I mean obviously I'm an Alex Smith fan and supporter. Harbaugh did him dirty that's for sure. Why would you go to such great lengths to praise a guy and say he's your QB and "earned" it and then drop him. It's a business, but no need to go out of your way to lie. Lost a lot of respect for Harbaugh as a Niner fan. Crabtree was/is Kaep's go to guy. Manningham is a loss for sure. Who's fault was that btw? Oh, that's right Kaep's for double pumping on a WR screen, leaving Manningham out to dry. Kaep's already lost us one game this year (blowing a 10 point lead under 4 minutes is losing the game).

How can you argue he is the better QB right now when he has a worse record, worse QBR, worse completion %, etc.?

You might as well root for another team, because decisions like the one Harbaugh made is why Jed hired him in the first place.ETA: there is a whole thread over Kaep and Smith. Take it there for the sake of SF vs GB.

 

[Norcalhoya]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense. Gotta minimize the variables to really compare.

Please. Williams was what the 5th receiving option? Hunter was the backup RB and James has filled in just fine in that role. Manningham was the 3rd (if not 4th) receiving option on the team for most of the year behind Crabtree, Davis, and possibly Moss. You make a million and one excuses for Kaep. Great. He still won't get it done. I'll shut up if he does. Proof's in the pudding.

Not sure if you're or not. Seriously.Manningham was Kaep's go-to guy before he got injured, and he was having a solid season. Williams is probably our best slot WR after Crab moved outside, not to mention his much-better-than-Ginn return duties this year.

Not sure where you are getting "a million and one" excuses for Kaep. You are the one that wants to assume that if Smith could do it, then Kaep should too. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your apples to apples comparison.

Norcalhoya = Alex Smith?

Haha I mean obviously I'm an Alex Smith fan and supporter. Harbaugh did him dirty that's for sure. Why would you go to such great lengths to praise a guy and say he's your QB and "earned" it and then drop him. It's a business, but no need to go out of your way to lie. Lost a lot of respect for Harbaugh as a Niner fan. Crabtree was/is Kaep's go to guy. Manningham is a loss for sure. Who's fault was that btw? Oh, that's right Kaep's for double pumping on a WR screen, leaving Manningham out to dry. Kaep's already lost us one game this year (blowing a 10 point lead under 4 minutes is losing the game).

How can you argue he is the better QB right now when he has a worse record, worse QBR, worse completion %, etc.?

You might as well root for another team, because decisions like the one Harbaugh made is why Jed hired him in the first place.ETA: there is a whole thread over Kaep and Smith. Take it there for the sake of SF vs GB.

Done. Cry me a river about how great Kaep is this year when we lose to GB.

 

[drummer]

GB Press Gazette has avery laudatory article on the niners

Kaep has a 98% qb rating, which puts him in the top 10. He may not be Rodgers, but he is better than 2/3rds of the qbs in the nfl.

He is no Webb.

And Alex Smith was top 3 in QBR this year...I can't wait for this game as a Niner fan. If we win, it means we're in the NFC Championship game again. If we lose, then it will prove Harbaugh was wrong to put in Kaep this year. Alex Smith got us to the NFC Championship game last year, going toe to toe with Drew Brees to do so. Hell he could have gotten us to the Super Bowl if not for Kyle Williams. Oh and he beat Green Bay in Lambeau this year. If Kaep is soooo much better, then he should be able to beat them at home. It's a simplistic argument, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

This argument is a little flawed. If Kaep had Manningham, William, and Hunter at his disposal this weekend, then it would make more sense. Gotta minimize the variables to really compare.

Please. Williams was what the 5th receiving option? Hunter was the backup RB and James has filled in just fine in that role. Manningham was the 3rd (if not 4th) receiving option on the team for most of the year behind Crabtree, Davis, and possibly Moss. You make a million and one excuses for Kaep. Great. He still won't get it done. I'll shut up if he does. Proof's in the pudding.

Not sure if you're or not. Seriously.Manningham was Kaep's go-to guy before he got injured, and he was having a solid season. Williams is probably our best slot WR after Crab moved outside, not to mention his much-better-than-Ginn return duties this year.

Not sure where you are getting "a million and one" excuses for Kaep. You are the one that wants to assume that if Smith could do it, then Kaep should too. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your apples to apples comparison.

Norcalhoya = Alex Smith?

Haha I mean obviously I'm an Alex Smith fan and supporter. Harbaugh did him dirty that's for sure. Why would you go to such great lengths to praise a guy and say he's your QB and "earned" it and then drop him. It's a business, but no need to go out of your way to lie. Lost a lot of respect for Harbaugh as a Niner fan. Crabtree was/is Kaep's go to guy. Manningham is a loss for sure. Who's fault was that btw? Oh, that's right Kaep's for double pumping on a WR screen, leaving Manningham out to dry. Kaep's already lost us one game this year (blowing a 10 point lead under 4 minutes is losing the game).

How can you argue he is the better QB right now when he has a worse record, worse QBR, worse completion %, etc.?

You might as well root for another team, because decisions like the one Harbaugh made is why Jed hired him in the first place.ETA: there is a whole thread over Kaep and Smith. Take it there for the sake of SF vs GB.

Done. Cry me a river about how great Kaep is this year when we lose to GB.

I promise not to save you drowning in your own tears over Smith.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Not to pile onto the debate but I wish Alex Smith was starting as well (from a Packer fan).

 

[Norcalhoya]

Not to pile onto the debate but I wish Alex Smith was starting as well (from a Packer fan).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113205/article/aaron-rodgers-alex-smith-deserves-to-be-appreciatedDoes Aaron Rodgers agree? We'll see on Saturday. I'll be here to eat crow if Kaep gets it done. If not, I hope, but certainly don't expect the same.

 

[thecatch]

Not to pile onto the debate but I wish Alex Smith was starting as well (from a Packer fan).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113205/article/aaron-rodgers-alex-smith-deserves-to-be-appreciatedDoes Aaron Rodgers agree? We'll see on Saturday. I'll be here to eat crow if Kaep gets it done. If not, I hope, but certainly don't expect the same.

If the def plays as well as it did in week1, I'm pretty confident Kaepernick will also get a win. Big if with j smith's health.

 

[Norcalhoya]

Not to pile onto the debate but I wish Alex Smith was starting as well (from a Packer fan).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113205/article/aaron-rodgers-alex-smith-deserves-to-be-appreciatedDoes Aaron Rodgers agree? We'll see on Saturday. I'll be here to eat crow if Kaep gets it done. If not, I hope, but certainly don't expect the same.

If the def plays as well as it did in week1, I'm pretty confident Kaepernick will also get a win. Big if with j smith's health.

How about if the offense scores 30 points and they lose I'll give kaep a pass? 30 points is what they scored in lambeau.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Wow, this is really different than a Seahawks thread. The 49ers fans are arguing with each other. And they don't even have sho nuff on their side.....

 

[drummer]

Wow, this is really different than a Seahawks thread. The 49ers fans are arguing with each other. And they don't even have sho nuff on their side.....

Some just can't let Alex Smith go. Smith will still be argued like he was Joe Montana, even though Smith has never made a Pro-Bowl.ETA: case in point - a lot of 49er fans didn't think that Peyton Manning was a better option than Smith. When fans think that, they are pretty insane anyway.

 

[drummer]

The odd things about this GB vs SF 'rivalry': Mike McCarthy - former 49er OC in 2005.Aaron Rodgers - who should have went #1 in the 2005 draft.Alex Smith - who went #1 and is not starting. I dunno if I should blame McCarthy for the series of events that led to the 49ers wallowing for years before Harbaugh, but there has been some smoke that he was the catalyst behind Smith being picked at #1 overall in that draft. I blame Scot McGlouhan and Mike Nolan more, but McCarthy left for GB after 2005, and well, we all know the rest. So I hate McCarthy more now.

 

[Donnybrook]

Not to pile onto the debate but I wish Alex Smith was starting as well (from a Packer fan).

I wish Rodgers would temporarly injure himself and have Graham Harrell forced into action. Just want to know, if Webb is truely the worst backup in the league.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Not to pile onto the debate but I wish Alex Smith was starting as well (from a Packer fan).

I wish Rodgers would temporarly injure himself and have Graham Harrell forced into action. Just want to know, if Webb is truely the worst backup in the league.

Webb could start in Arizona

 

[footballnerd]

Not to pile onto the debate but I wish Alex Smith was starting as well (from a Packer fan).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113205/article/aaron-rodgers-alex-smith-deserves-to-be-appreciatedDoes Aaron Rodgers agree? We'll see on Saturday. I'll be here to eat crow if Kaep gets it done. If not, I hope, but certainly don't expect the same.

Aaron could stop welshin on a bet to show his appreciation for Alex

 

[BRONG]

Wow, this is really different than a Seahawks thread. The 49ers fans are arguing with each other. And they don't even have sho nuff on their side.....

Some just can't let Alex Smith go. Smith will still be argued like he was Joe Montana, even though Smith has never made a Pro-Bowl.

 

[drummer]

Wow, this is really different than a Seahawks thread. The 49ers fans are arguing with each other. And they don't even have sho nuff on their side.....

Some just can't let Alex Smith go. Smith will still be argued like he was Joe Montana, even though Smith has never made a Pro-Bowl.

A lot of QB's don't make the Pro-Bowl, but it's a bit unusual for a QB who was picked #1 overall to not make it with the same team after 8 years, not even as an alternate. If he was a journeyman vet who went from team to team over that period of time, there would be a reason for that.

 

[The Westin]

How about if the offense scores 30 points and they lose I'll give kaep a pass? 30 points is what they scored in lambeau.

You remind me a lot of the Packers fans who cheered against the Packers after Favre left, hoping that TT and MM would fail and be fired. I'm not saying that you are cheering against SF...but it seems you are so against the QB change that you can't enjoy the fact that your favorite team just got a first round bye and very well may be on their way to the Super Bowl in a few weeks.As a Packer fan, I'm not sure who I'd rather start for SF. Smith is efficient, although not spectacular. Kaep may be prone to mistakes, but he can also create things that Smith simply cannot. As a 49er fan, do you not agree that Kaep has a higher ceiling than Smith?

 

[drummer]

How about if the offense scores 30 points and they lose I'll give kaep a pass? 30 points is what they scored in lambeau.

You remind me a lot of the Packers fans who cheered against the Packers after Favre left, hoping that TT and MM would fail and be fired. I'm not saying that you are cheering against SF...but it seems you are so against the QB change that you can't enjoy the fact that your favorite team just got a first round bye and very well may be on their way to the Super Bowl in a few weeks.As a Packer fan, I'm not sure who I'd rather start for SF. Smith is efficient, although not spectacular. Kaep may be prone to mistakes, but he can also create things that Smith simply cannot. As a 49er fan, do you not agree that Kaep has a higher ceiling than Smith?

Better prospect. Tannehill-Doesn't have perfect mechanics, but CK's godawful windup makes him look wayyy better.-Way better pocket presence-Just as good as CK throwing on the run-Throws a better ball, CK throws a lot of woblers-Comparable arm strength, although CK throws with more velocity -Can actually make a touch throw. Did you see CK's attempt at a fade to Moss? A hs kid could have done better.Kaepernick-More athletic, faster-Throws harder

My linkJust to let you know who you are asking.

 

[mad sweeney]

Wow, this is really different than a Seahawks thread. The 49ers fans are arguing with each other. And they don't even have sho nuff on their side.....

Some just can't let Alex Smith go. Smith will still be argued like he was Joe Montana, even though Smith has never made a Pro-Bowl.

A lot of QB's don't make the Pro-Bowl, but it's a bit unusual for a QB who was picked #1 overall to not make it with the same team after 8 years, not even as an alternate. If he was a journeyman vet who went from team to team over that period of time, there would be a reason for that.

It might be the same team, but how many coordinators and head coaches has he had in those 8 years? Isn't this year the first time he's had the same HC and OC from the previous season? What's the difference between a journeyman going from team to team vs a guy whose coaching staff dramatically changes every year? I'm not defending him, I haven't seen enough of Kaepernick to make my opinion of if I agree of the change. It's not like he's had ANY stability until this year, and he was leading the league in how many categories when he got hurt....?

 

[drummer]

Wow, this is really different than a Seahawks thread. The 49ers fans are arguing with each other. And they don't even have sho nuff on their side.....

Some just can't let Alex Smith go. Smith will still be argued like he was Joe Montana, even though Smith has never made a Pro-Bowl.

A lot of QB's don't make the Pro-Bowl, but it's a bit unusual for a QB who was picked #1 overall to not make it with the same team after 8 years, not even as an alternate. If he was a journeyman vet who went from team to team over that period of time, there would be a reason for that.

It might be the same team, but how many coordinators and head coaches has he had in those 8 years? Isn't this year the first time he's had the same HC and OC from the previous season? What's the difference between a journeyman going from team to team vs a guy whose coaching staff dramatically changes every year? I'm not defending him, I haven't seen enough of Kaepernick to make my opinion of if I agree of the change. It's not like he's had ANY stability until this year, and he was leading the league in how many categories when he got hurt....?

First, all those offenses were watered down for Smith, and he has been in the Digital offense since after Mike McCarthy left, prior to Harbaugh. Kaep is the first real competition Smith has had at that position, and Smith had been benched for Shaun Hill and was losing out to JT O'Sullivan (who hardly had that much time of at all) running Mike Martz's offense. He was also benched for Troy Smith running Mike "Hack" Johnson's Jimmy Raye offense. Hill ran Martz's offense as well as Jimmy Raye's, and Hill hardly had any NFL snaps prior to the 49ers. Hill also ran the Hostler/Tollner offense and hit Vernon Davis (who was thought as a bust at the time) for a TD after Trent Dilfer got hurt. Ok, here is a timeline list of 49er QBs who started games:

2005:

Tim Rattay - who wound up starting the regular season in 2005 after Mike Nolan realized that his declared starter in Smith wasn't ready after his first camp.

2006: Smith played the full 16 under Norv Turner as OC.

2007:

Alex Smith: started under Jim Hostler as OC. Got hurt against PIT, was put on IR after.

Trent Dilfer - started for Smith after Smith was injured and put on IR

Shaun Hill - started in place of Dilfer who was put on IR

Chris Weinke - started in place of Hill who was put on IR

2008:

Alex Smith, JT O'Sullivan, Shaun Hill, Mike Martz as OC

Alex Smith never made it out of the pre0season due to re-injuring his shoulder

JTO: lasted until Mike Singletary's first game as interim HC after they fired Mike Nolan.

Hill: won 5 out of 4 games running the Martz offense.

2009: Mike Singletary HC, hires Jimmy Raye because he thinks the NFL is still in 1985

Hill: starts the season, goes 3/3 in wins, but loses two in a row of last 3. Get benched.

Smith: takes over for Hill, goes 5/6 in wins, losing first 3 in that stretch but wins last two.

2010:

Alex Smith: Starts season.

Troy Smith: Takes over for Smith when Smith is hurt. Then takes over for Smith when healthy.

2011: Harbaugh

2012: Smith gets benched for Kaep

Do you see the level of QB talent the 49ers have had? Almost zero outside of Smith and Kaep, and all those QB's outside of Smith and Kaep are pretty much scrubs to horrid. Despite the changes in OC's, Smith has been benched while healthy for 3 of them, while getting beat out in pre-season with JTO. Shaun Hill ran the Mike Martz offense (no kidding, he did) with his noodle arm and won games. Hill ran almost all the offenses Smith ran during his time span there. Jimmy Raye was fired after the 3rd game in 2010, so Troy Smith ran Hack Johnson's offense after Alex. Troy Smith won 3 games that season.

Hill, JTO, and Troy Smith all have won multiple games during this whole OC turnover thing. They have all beaten out Alex Smith (JTO was clearly beating Smith that pre-season with Martz). He has now been benched again for a second year QB who has a little less time with Harbaugh's offense (Smith had the Harbaugh playbook before the draft, and ran his own "Camp Alex" with some offensive players during the lockout of last year), yet is in year tow of the same offense.

This is a small preface in the Book of Alex Smith as a 49er. I got loads of pages too.

 

[drummer]

One more note: Alex Smith was still working on his basic mechanics this past off-season. Really important basic stuff like footwork and hips. Release is still an issue, and all this adds up to is he still having to take sacks due to the mechanics, read and recognition, etc.

 

[goldenchild]

Thanks for the reminder :shivers: ... As a ticket taker for all those years, I was lucky enough to endure watching most of those games in person.I still remember walking through the grown men holding up picket signs wanting York's head as I made my way into work.

 

[Norcalhoya]

How about if the offense scores 30 points and they lose I'll give kaep a pass? 30 points is what they scored in lambeau.

You remind me a lot of the Packers fans who cheered against the Packers after Favre left, hoping that TT and MM would fail and be fired. I'm not saying that you are cheering against SF...but it seems you are so against the QB change that you can't enjoy the fact that your favorite team just got a first round bye and very well may be on their way to the Super Bowl in a few weeks.As a Packer fan, I'm not sure who I'd rather start for SF. Smith is efficient, although not spectacular. Kaep may be prone to mistakes, but he can also create things that Smith simply cannot. As a 49er fan, do you not agree that Kaep has a higher ceiling than Smith?

Agreed. Kaep has more potential than Smith no doubt about it. I just think Smith gives us the better chance to win in 2012. Didn't the Packers do away with Favre in the offseason? As I said, if Smith failed then you'd have the perfect excuse to let him go, and go with Kaep. If he played well and kept improving, then I don't see a reason to fix what isn't broken.

 

[sho nuff]

How about if the offense scores 30 points and they lose I'll give kaep a pass? 30 points is what they scored in lambeau.

You remind me a lot of the Packers fans who cheered against the Packers after Favre left, hoping that TT and MM would fail and be fired. I'm not saying that you are cheering against SF...but it seems you are so against the QB change that you can't enjoy the fact that your favorite team just got a first round bye and very well may be on their way to the Super Bowl in a few weeks.As a Packer fan, I'm not sure who I'd rather start for SF. Smith is efficient, although not spectacular. Kaep may be prone to mistakes, but he can also create things that Smith simply cannot. As a 49er fan, do you not agree that Kaep has a higher ceiling than Smith?

Agreed. Kaep has more potential than Smith no doubt about it. I just think Smith gives us the better chance to win in 2012. Didn't the Packers do away with Favre in the offseason? As I said, if Smith failed then you'd have the perfect excuse to let him go, and go with Kaep. If he played well and kept improving, then I don't see a reason to fix what isn't broken.

The NFL window is never as big as you want.If you see a guy has the potential to be better and there is any opportunity to get him in there...you have to do it.You can't wait and see for another year and another possible failure to move on...your window could close quickly.

 

[Norcalhoya]

One more note: Alex Smith was still working on his basic mechanics this past off-season. Really important basic stuff like footwork and hips. Release is still an issue, and all this adds up to is he still having to take sacks due to the mechanics, read and recognition, etc.

No one here, is arguing Smith of 2005-2010 is a better QB than Kaep. As Mad Sweeney mentioned, I don't think you can put those failures all on him. If there's one thing you can't knock Smith for, it's intelligence. Most NFL people recognize he's one of the top 5 most intelligent QBs, they just claim he doesn't have all the physical tools. Debatable, maybe he can only throw it 50 yards in air instead of 60. Watch his TD throw to crabtree last year against the rams if you don't think he can throw a nice 50 yard deep ball.

He was working on "cleaning-up" his mechanics over the offseason. Every professional sports player does this. You don't think baseball players work on the mechanics of their swing? Pitchers on their pitches? Basketball players on their shots? That's what the offseason is for. Your arguments are really deteriorating...