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[JAA]

NFL scout: Pat White can help Miami Dolphins revolutionize the NFL

The next ultimate weapon!!! [tecmo] QB DOLPHINS [/tecmo]

awesome. god I loved QB Eagles

 

[JaxBill]

The last guys who were supposed to "revolutionize the NFL": - Mike Vick- Reggie Bush- Vince Young

While it might not be revolutionary, to a point, the Saints usage of Bush as a RB/WR hybrid has been somewhat unique, to the point that people regularly talk about "using [someone] like Reggie Bush", or playing a "Reggie Bush-like role", etc. Thus, it's entirely possible that Parcells can brainstorm unique usages for Pat White--even if it doesn't mean implementing some astonishing, revolutionary offense. As someone said before, if anyone could pull it off, it's Parcells. However, I've been nothing but impressed with White, as well. I've gotten the impression he's vastly different than Vick and Young--in a good way.

I wish Andy Reid had thought about splitting Brian Westbrook out wide several years ago.

 

[MDSkinner]

I have no clue how well Pat White will translate into the NFL. But he seems like a good guy that is easy to get behind, IMO. I doubt he revolutionizes anything but I would like to see the guy make an impact at some point.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

ask Rich Rodriguez how well the spread transfers to a league with fast hard hitting defenses....it may work in the Big East or the WAC, but in a real league? no way no how....and it will work even less in the NFL where every team is full of hard hitting and fast d players that will eat guys like Pat White alive. it's a gimmick...and gimmicks have never revolutionized anything.

neither Threet or Sheridan were 25% of the player pat white is athletically

 

[JAA]

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[KellysHeroes]

I like the idea.. and i don't mind taking a flyer on this after the 3rd.

What I noticed about Pat was he had a decent Wonderlick score... usual these types of QBs get low scores.

 

[Pskov1420]

Who was the last player to come out who truly did revolutionize the NFL? Lawrence Taylor in 1981 by changing the role of a OLB from outside containment to aggressive blitzing and run stopping at the line of scrimmage probably. Maybe Randy Moss is the only one I can think of since who ushered in the era of big 6'3"+ receivers, but that was more an evolution than revolution.

Put it this way, if anyone thinks Pat White will truly 'revolutionize' the way the NFL is played, then you better think he is a hall of fame talent, otherwise it ain't happening.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I don't know about revolutionizing NFL offenses, but you can't tell me the Wildcat formation with its run/pass options isn't a nightmare for defenses (assuming the right personnel). However, I doubt it will ever be anybody's base offense because of the punishment the QB takes. That said, I could see it beng extremely successful as a special package.Not sure about the Wildcat QB as far as FF is concerned. I just don't think White & other Wildcat QBs will get enough playing time to produce on a consistent basis (strictly as a Wildcat). I do believe White has at least a shot to make it as a starter, tho (down the road).

The part that makes this interesting is that Ronnie brown was the QB when using the WC formation and Ricky Williams would be the one taking the end around if Ronnie didn't keep it. This formation also had Chad Pennington doing nothing. Well if you substitute White for Pennington it brings you more options, if you substitute White for Ricky you now have a run/pass option on both ends of the equation (Ricky was not much of a throwing threat). Others have said White would take the Ronnie Brown position and Ronnie would take Ricky's spot? Who knows, but giving the other team a lot to prepare for may make them more susceptible to traditional plays and you can get yourself good matchup options when using the WC correctly.The Dolphins barely threw out of the WC formation last year, but when they did, Ronnie had guys wide open. I think more throwing will make this very tough to defend if used less than 20% of offensive plays.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Maybe the NFL will turn into a multi-QB situation league. The wildcat would be more effective if the person receiving the snap could be a threat to throw the ball as well.

You bring up a good point that I have been arguing and getting criticized for. I have never been a big fan pf Pennington. I think we saw the best you could probably hope for in Pennington last year (and look at the playoffs). My main reason is that Pennington does everything to make his stats look good, but he hurts the rest of the offense. The running attack is much worse under him because safeties cheat a lot. DB's can play differently because of the lack of arm strength. Anyway, back to the point, Pennington was always AWFUL at 3rd and long for obvious reasons. I always thought when it was 3rd and 8 or 10 the Dolphins should bring in Henne to try and convert. I couldn't stand the constant 4 yard dump pass that ended up being 2 yards short of the 1st. Why not use players, including QB's for what they are good at? Pennington is an accurate short passer, but when it is 3rd and long you bring in your 3rd and long package.

 

[Truman]

ask Rich Rodriguez how well the spread transfers to a league with fast hard hitting defenses....it may work in the Big East or the WAC, but in a real league? no way no how....and it will work even less in the NFL where every team is full of hard hitting and fast d players that will eat guys like Pat White alive. it's a gimmick...and gimmicks have never revolutionized anything.

Urban Meyer and the Wildcat down?

Superbowl wins for them?How about ZeroIts a gimmick

Dang, the Wildcat has only been used by one team for one year in the NFL. By your logic, there were 30 teams in the NFL that failed to win a superbowl last year with a conventional offense.

It's a ridiculously flawed premise anyway. The number of superbowls won has nothing to do with the validity of a team's offensive approach.This is an offensive formation which teams are forced to dedicate significant practice time to studying and which was effective enough with a RB leading it that it converted over 80% on 3rd and 4th down.Now the Dolphins will have had another offseason to put in more wrinkles and will have a superior athlete in Pat White running it the potential is there for an even more effective package.

 

[JAA]

 

[jurb26]

Pat White reminds me a ton of Kordell Stewart. I don't mean this in any negative way either. If Mia can find the proper usage (ala the Steelers did for a few years with Stewart) he can be a very productive NFL player IMO.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Good video.Are there any videos out there that show off his throwing ability or arm strength? This will be the dimension of the Wildcat that we need to see.

 

[JAA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu_bxbHxf-0

some more: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type...assing&aq=f

also check NFL.com, they have a couple videos on white from the combine and senior bowh highlights

 

[gheemony]

Put me on board the train. I don't think he's going to be revolutionary, and I don't care. But I think he'll be a good fantasy player, especially in leagues where you can start him at WR. The Dolphins will probably list him at WR because they'll have the two Chads listed at QB and White couldn't play if was the emergency 3rd QB unless both of the Chad's were hurt. If you can start White at WR, choo choo.

 

[scoobygang]

I do think it might be revolutionary, but not necessarily because Pat White will be all world. I just think that the Dolphins have a good idea. Think of the way NFL teams round out their quarterback roster now. They have a starter, who can run their full "pro style" offense. Then they have a backup, who they at least hope can run the offense, say, 85% as well as the starter in case of injury.

Now assume Pat White can only run the offense 70 to 75% as well as Chad Pennington. But for 5-8 plays a game, he can do something for the team that no one else can do. And he can force NFL defenses to have to spend practice time to prepare for all of that. Randall Cunningham was first used as a "situational" QB on 3rd down by Buddy Ryan. I think non traditional QBs can have a similar role as specialist players much like a 3rd down running back or nickle corner. And I wouldn't be surprised to find more teams keep at least one situational QB on its roster.

 

[puckalicious]

Put me on board the train. I don't think he's going to be revolutionary, and I don't care. But I think he'll be a good fantasy player, especially in leagues where you can start him at WR. The Dolphins will probably list him at WR because they'll have the two Chads listed at QB and White couldn't play if was the emergency 3rd QB unless both of the Chad's were hurt. If you can start White at WR, choo choo.

This will be the key to White's fantasy ranking. His ADP will be much higher as a WR than QB based on starting lineup requirements.

 

[greedygoat]

Put me on board the train. I don't think he's going to be revolutionary, and I don't care. But I think he'll be a good fantasy player, especially in leagues where you can start him at WR. The Dolphins will probably list him at WR because they'll have the two Chads listed at QB and White couldn't play if was the emergency 3rd QB unless both of the Chad's were hurt. If you can start White at WR, choo choo.

is for marking my spot the train WildPat Wagon!

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

The last guys who were supposed to "revolutionize the NFL": - Mike Vick- Reggie Bush- Vince Young

And the next guy to truly revolutionize the game and take this spread offense to the ultimate level.....and become a superstar QB using many elements of the spread as well as traditional dropbacks will be............Terrelle Pryor.........Booooook It!!

dynasty owners should be drafting him asap

 

[renesauz]

Put me on board the train. I don't think he's going to be revolutionary, and I don't care. But I think he'll be a good fantasy player, especially in leagues where you can start him at WR. The Dolphins will probably list him at WR because they'll have the two Chads listed at QB and White couldn't play if was the emergency 3rd QB unless both of the Chad's were hurt. If you can start White at WR, choo choo.

How he's listed doesn't matter for that rule. He simply has to be on the ACTIVE (gameday) roster. They can dress and activate 10 QB's if they want.It's one of the most misunderstood rules in the game.

 

[Two Deep]

Pat white will run the Wildcat but he will not replace Pennington or even Henne, unless the Dolphins plan on changing their offensive line blocking schemes. Pat White is a lefty and right now the Dolphins O-line is designed for a right handed QB. So if Pennington goes down, Henne will be his natural replacement not White. IMO

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Pat white will run the Wildcat but he will not replace Pennington or even Henne, unless the Dolphins plan on changing their offensive line blocking schemes. Pat White is a lefty and right now the Dolphins O-line is designed for a right handed QB. So if Pennington goes down, Henne will be his natural replacement not White. IMO

Interesting take, but is that really all that relevant? Did the niners have to change their line dramatically when Steve Young took over? Can't that be done with relative ease and not all that much of a learning curve?I am asking - not challenging your comment. I am ignorant on that kind of detailed analysis.

 

[BogAl]

The part that makes this interesting is that Ronnie brown was the QB when using the WC formation and Ricky Williams would be the one taking the end around if Ronnie didn't keep it. This formation also had Chad Pennington doing nothing. Well if you substitute White for Pennington it brings you more options, if you substitute White for Ricky you now have a run/pass option on both ends of the equation (Ricky was not much of a throwing threat). Others have said White would take the Ronnie Brown position and Ronnie would take Ricky's spot?

This last possibility is the one that really intrigues me. So, you have the center snap the ball backwards 5 to 7 yards to a QUARTERBACK, who has a RUNNING BACK lined up beside him? Imagine the things you could do from that formation. The QB could HAND THE BALL OFF TO THE RB, who could then RUN THE BALL. The QB could FAKE A HANDOFF and then THROW A PASS. He could even TRY TO THROW A PASS, FIND NO ONE OPEN, AND RUN QUICKLY TOWARD THE SIDELINE. This could be the first true seismic shift in the way NFL offense is played since the invention of the Victory Formation.

 

[Moniker]

This is an offensive formation which teams are forced to dedicate significant practice time to studying and which was effective enough with a RB leading it that it converted over 80% on 3rd and 4th down.Now the Dolphins will have had another offseason to put in more wrinkles and will have a superior athlete in Pat White running it the potential is there for an even more effective package.

The same can be said for the Run and Shoot. The wildcat will go the same way as the run and shoot did in the NFL. Once defenses have had time to plan against it, and they have now, the wildcat will be an almost forgotten memory.

 

[Two Deep]

Pat white will run the Wildcat but he will not replace Pennington or even Henne, unless the Dolphins plan on changing their offensive line blocking schemes. Pat White is a lefty and right now the Dolphins O-line is designed for a right handed QB. So if Pennington goes down, Henne will be his natural replacement not White. IMO

Interesting take, but is that really all that relevant? Did the niners have to change their line dramatically when Steve Young took over? Can't that be done with relative ease and not all that much of a learning curve?I am asking - not challenging your comment. I am ignorant on that kind of detailed analysis.

I don't think it would be that easy in season but I wouldn't mind others opinions on this.

 

[JAA]

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

And the next guy to truly revolutionize the game and take this spread offense to the ultimate level.....and become a superstar QB using many elements of the spread as well as traditional dropbacks will be............Terrelle Pryor.........Booooook It!!

How's this working out for you? WHEN do you think will Pryor "revolutionize" the game?About the same time you pay out the $15000 you scammed from FBG fantasy players? "Much peace"