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[Loan Sharks]

Let's be clear here:  The ones who don't like they hypocrisy comeback are the hypocrites.  You're saying "forget all the ####ty things we did and instead let's talk about all the ####ty things everyone else is doing".

The hypocrisy comeback might be here for a while.  I'm sure I will put it away at some point, but it's just to close to the election for that.  Your side will just have to deal with it.  After all:

ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!

Plus it is hard for me to set aside the hypocrisy argument, I am still HORRIFIED that some people have not accepted the results of the election and are threatening the peaceful transfer of power. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

And waiting ...

We've discussed this ad nauseam in the old thread.. Your  or bird response demonstrates your inability to respond with thought, intellect or substance and in fact, is the cesspool of political threads. I'll continue to call it out and wait patiently ... 

No it doesn't.  You libs love to speak for people and tell them what they're thinking, which shows your lack of intelligence.  Or as Tobias/Bruce say you lack critical thinking skills.     You can keep calling it out if you want but I'm not backing down from your BS because you're too sensitive when someone doesn't agree with your political views.  Again, back to your safe space or we can keep trading insults if you want to keep dishing them out.

 

[beavers]

Plus it is hard for me to set aside the hypocrisy argument, I am still HORRIFIED that some people have not accepted the results of the election and are threatening the peaceful transfer of power. 

What's horrifying is that so many are quietly standing by while we are witnessing one of the biggest threats to our democracy, transitioning into the WH.  

 

[beavers]

No it doesn't.  You libs love to speak for people and tell them what they're thinking, which shows your lack of intelligence.  Or as Tobias/Bruce say you lack critical thinking skills.     You can keep calling it out if you want but I'm not backing down from your BS because you're too sensitive when someone doesn't agree with your political views.  Again, back to your safe space or we can keep trading insults if you want to keep dishing them out.

Better. You've added words and sentences to your  . Look who's a big boy now. 

But ...

You're still lacking substance since your words are nothing more than an attack on "libs."

Waiting ...

 

[MaxThreshold]

What's horrifying is that so many are quietly standing by while we are witnessing one of the biggest threats to our democracy, transitioning into the WH.  

What...ever.  Give me a break, drama queen.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Better. You've added words and sentences to your  . Look who's a big boy now. 

But ...

You're still lacking substance since your words are nothing more than an attack on "libs."

Waiting ...

Keep waiting.  Keep posting it 5000 times.  I'm not engaging your stupid, political, close-minded nonsense.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

What's horrifying is that so many are quietly standing by while we are witnessing one of the biggest threats to our democracy, transitioning into the WH.  

 

[beavers]

Keep waiting.  Keep posting it 5000 times.  I'm not engaging your stupid, political, close-minded nonsense.

Name calling and no

 

[beavers]

 

[MikeIke]

We should tell China that we don't want the drone they stole back.- let them keep it!

Our next president,  ladies and gentlemen. 

 

[beavers]

What...ever.  Give me a break, drama queen.

Name calling  

seriously

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Name calling and no

That's not name calling.  That's describing your actions not you as a person.  Tim Schochet will be glad to describe the distinction to you if you can't figure it out yourself.

 

[beavers]

That's not name calling.  That's describing your actions not you as a person.  Tim Schochet will be glad to describe the distinction to you if you can't figure it out yourself.

Maybe I'll try communicating to you in a language you understand ...

 

[MaxThreshold]

Name calling  

seriously

Nope.  Calling it like it is.  Truth may hurt you, but in the long run maybe you won't be so sensitive to everything.  Good luck in your safe space.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Maybe I'll try communicating to you in a language you understand ...

 

[[scooter]]

Plus it is hard for me to set aside the hypocrisy argument, I am still HORRIFIED that some people have not accepted the results of the election and are threatening the peaceful transfer of power. 

The liberals still want a peaceful transfer of power, they just want the transfer to go from Obama to anyone-but-Trump.

It's weird that you would be horrified by something that is clearly spelled out in the Constitution. It's like saying that you're horrified that someone exercised their right to free speech or right to bear arms.

 

[beavers]

 

[beavers]

Nope.  Calling it like it is.  Truth may hurt you, but in the long run maybe you won't be so sensitive to everything.  Good luck in your safe space.

 

[beavers]

The liberals still want a peaceful transfer of power, they just want the transfer to go from Obama to anyone-but-Trump.

It's weird that you would be horrified by something that is clearly spelled out in the Constitution. It's like saying that you're horrified that someone exercised their right to free speech or right to bear arms.

This.

 

[Dickies]

Plus it is hard for me to set aside the hypocrisy argument, I am still HORRIFIED that some people have not accepted the results of the election and are threatening the peaceful transfer of power. 

The vast majority have accepted the results and there will be nothing other than a peaceful transfer of power.  However, if the electors use the power bestowed upon them to vote for someone other than Trump then we would at least all be in agreement that the EC needs to be scrapped.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The liberals still want a peaceful transfer of power, they just want the transfer to go from Obama to anyone-but-Trump.

It's weird that you would be horrified by something that is clearly spelled out in the Constitution. It's like saying that you're horrified that someone exercised their right to free speech or right to bear arms.

Maybe you've hear that is not how our system works

 

[[scooter]]

The liberals still want a peaceful transfer of power, they just want the transfer to go from Obama to anyone-but-Trump.

It's weird that you would be horrified by something that is clearly spelled out in the Constitution. It's like saying that you're horrified that someone exercised their right to free speech or right to bear arms.

Maybe you've hear that is not how our system works

If enough Electors legally vote for John Kasich, and Kasich becomes President, then our system will have worked exactly as designed. Not sure why so many people are failing to comprehend such a simple fact.

 

[jon_mx]

I think Corporate Ties there's an argument that they are the same or Hillary being a little more connected/potentially influenced. 

The others I don't believe are objectively close. 

I disagree.  Lying.  Hillary may be a better liar and thus not as blantant, but she is definitely a professional liar.  Foreign Influence.   Hillary has taken a ton of foreign money through her foundation and  huge speaking fees.  She has sold out and owes favor to a lot of foreign interests.   They do expect something in return.  

 

[The General]

If enough Electors legally vote for John Kasich, and Kasich becomes President, then our system will have worked exactly as designed. Not sure why so many people are failing to comprehend such a simple fact.

IMO Trump is an absolute disaster in the making, complete embarrassment. Total joke that people want this clown show in the office. Guy is a poor tempered, a thin skinned, little man.

But, I don't want these electors going against what was decided on election day.

 

[MaxThreshold]

IMO Trump is an absolute disaster in the making, complete embarrassment. Total joke that people want this clown show in the office. Guy is a poor tempered, a thin skinned, little man.

But, I don't want these electors going against what was decided on election day.

This post is @MaxThreshold approved!

 

[[scooter]]

If enough Electors legally vote for John Kasich, and Kasich becomes President, then our system will have worked exactly as designed. Not sure why so many people are failing to comprehend such a simple fact.

IMO Trump is an absolute disaster in the making, complete embarrassment. Total joke that people want this clown show in the office. Guy is a poor tempered, a thin skinned, little man.

But, I don't want these electors going against what was decided on election day.

I don't want the electors going rogue, either. I just think it's ignorant and baseless for the law & order crowd to suddenly act like the Constitution is just a piece of toilet paper.

 

[jon_mx]

What's horrifying is that so many are quietly standing by while we are witnessing one of the biggest threats to our democracy, transitioning into the WH.  

Trump may suck, but all this fear-mongering is just silly hyperbole.  Our republic will be just fine and anything Trump does will be a temporary blip in our history.  He may piss off a lot of foreign leaders and spin up leftists, but America will go on.  We may even have an election in 2018.  Maybe.  

 

[Loan Sharks]

What's horrifying is that so many are quietly standing by while we are witnessing one of the biggest threats to our democracy, transitioning into the WH.  

I agree 100%, it is in fact the end of our democracy if the attempt to discredit our election system, threatening electors and attempting to subvert a lawful election were to succeed. That would do it. 

 

[The General]

Trump may suck, but all this fear-mongering is just silly hyperbole.  Our republic will be just fine and anything Trump does will be a temporary blip in our history.  He may piss off a lot of foreign leaders and spin up leftists, but America will go on.  We may even have an election in 2018.  Maybe.  

This may be right.

However, the people he is picking to head up all the various agencies of the government is pretty extreme. Selecting people who seemingly want to do away with the agencies they are heading up. 

Also, who is in the office if something extraordinary happens matters.

If Gore were in the office instead of W the world would be a tremendously different place today.

 

[avoiding injuries]

This.

"I couldn't come up with anything intelligent to say, so I'll post "this"". 

Did you ever have that talk with your daughter? If so, how did she take it? If you didn't, do you now realize how ridiculous your position at the time was?

 

[JIslander]

I agree 100%, it is in fact the end of our democracy if the attempt to discredit our election system, threatening electors and attempting to subvert a lawful election were to succeed. That would do it. 

Great.  Lets hear what the CIA/FBI have to say.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Beavers would be better off if Dodds stayed committed to no political threads. I'm embarrassed for her. 

 

[MaxThreshold]

"I couldn't come up with anything intelligent to say, so I'll post "this"". 

Did you ever have that talk with your daughter? If so, how did she take it? If you didn't, do you now realize how ridiculous your position at the time was?

If so, do you think beavers gave herself a trophy for participating in the talk?

 

[avoiding injuries]

If so, do you think beavers gave herself a trophy for participating in the talk?

Were there bubbles and play-doh on a table nearby for Beavers to play with while her daughter talked some sense into her?

 

[timschochet]

The electors stuff is crap. Yes it's legal. Yes it's constitutional. But it's still crap. And like the Birther nonsense against Obama, it weakens legitimate criticism. 

 

[jon_mx]

This may be right.

However, the people he is picking to head up all the various agencies of the government is pretty extreme. Selecting people who seemingly want to do away with the agencies they are heading up. 

Also, who is in the office if something extraordinary happens matters.

If Gore were in the office instead of W the world would be a tremendously different place today.

Well just maybe these agencies have gotten too fat and have too much bureaucratic non-sense.   It should not take 20 years to get a permit to build a power plant.  Maybe the EPA is being a bit rogue in trying to implement CO2 restrictions absent of real legislated laws by our elected officials.  Maybe Obamacare was not the most effective solution and is contributing to raising insurance costs. Maybe Trump will go too far in dismantling some of these organizations.  But then again maybe they can be rebuilt leaner and more focused and effective then before.  Trump is on a Short lease.   If he goes too far he will lose power quickly.  

 

[Slapdash]

The electors stuff is crap. Yes it's legal. Yes it's constitutional. But it's still crap. And like the Birther nonsense against Obama, it weakens legitimate criticism. 

Nice false-equivalency.

 

[JIslander]

The electors stuff is crap. Yes it's legal. Yes it's constitutional. But it's still crap. And like the Birther nonsense against Obama, it weakens legitimate criticism. 

um no.

 

[avoiding injuries]

um no.

"Not our side"

 

[timschochet]

I'm not making an equivalency- obviously the Birther stuff is in a whole different league. I'm just saying that both ideas are extremist in nature, and don't help reasonable opposition. 

 

[The General]

Well just maybe these agencies have gotten too fat and have too much bureaucratic non-sense.   It should not take 20 years to get a permit to build a power plant.  Maybe the EPA is being a bit rogue in trying to implement CO2 restrictions absent of real legislated laws by our elected officials.  Maybe Obamacare was not the most effective solution and is contributing to raising insurance costs. Maybe Trump will go too far in dismantling some of these organizations.  But then again maybe they can be rebuilt leaner and more focused and effective then before.  Trump is on a Short lease.   If he goes too far he will lose power quickly.  

These are the reasons he got elected but I thought your point was he would be a blip. These are dramatic shifts in direction.

And what to the point of who is charge if the #### hits the fan? Anyone who acts like they know what he would do is guessing. 

 

[JIslander]

"Not our side"

Yeah, I'm not racist thanks.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

This may be right.

However, the people he is picking to head up all the various agencies of the government is pretty extreme. Selecting people who seemingly want to do away with the agencies they are heading up. 

Also, who is in the office if something extraordinary happens matters.

If Gore were in the office instead of W the world would be a tremendously different place today.

I think it's more likely than not that everything will be okay. Part of the problem is we have no idea what Trump is actually going to do given his tendency to circumnavigate issues and the apparent standard that we can't interpret a significant portion of what he says literally. 

There will be tax cuts that are likely to cause large deficits and give most of the benefits to the upper class

There will be some type of business tax reform, which will likely be okay since we need reform there but are also likely to increase the deficit

He'll appoint a conservative Supreme Court judge, but probably only one and it's unlikely to be someone more conservative than Scalia

There's probably going to be some kind of protectionist trade policies put in place. This gets into wild-card territory because this could go down many ways. We've already strengthened China by backing out of TPP. If we get a bunch of tariffs and trade wars it's going to skyrocket inflation. If we just get a bunch of new bilateral trade agreements it may not make much of a difference. 

Foreign policy is up there with trade for the most risk and widest range of outcomes. That would be true for any incoming President on foreign policy because we never  know what's going to happen elsewhere in the world. Trump is uniquely difficult to predict here because he's more or less out of step with U.S. foreign policy objectives going back to WWII. 

 

[jon_mx]

These are the reasons he got elected but I thought your point was he would be a blip. These are dramatic shifts in direction.

And what to the point of who is charge if the #### hits the fan? Anyone who acts like they know what he would do is guessing. 

I just don't think these agencies or even the Iraq war make as big of a difference as you do.  The Middle East is going to be a #### hole no matter what we do.  The Iraq war cost too many American lives and cost too much money, but who knows what evil would have been perpetrated without eliminating Saddam and eventually OBL. Gore would not of had a good answer either.  W tried to see if Democracy was the answer for the Middle East.   It was not.  All each sect wants is their brand of theocracy.  There is zero interest in Democracy.   It was not an unreasonable effort, but unfortunately Muslims don't share our values of human rights and democracy and probably never will.

Theae alphabet agencies are overrated.   They do a few good things, but not anywhere near what justifies their size.  The DoD needs to be severely streamlined. The process that the government goes through to buy stuff, especially weapons systems is a joke.   It is massive overkill of an unbelievable amount of bureaucratic non-sense.  

 

[MaxThreshold]

Yeah, I'm not racist thanks.

Yeah you are.

 

[The General]

I just don't think these agencies or even the Iraq war make as big of a difference as you do.  The Middle East is going to be a #### hole no matter what we do.  The Iraq war cost too many American lives and cost too much money, but who knows what evil would have been perpetrated without eliminating Saddam and eventually OBL. Gore would not of had a good answer either.  W tried to see if Democracy was the answer for the Middle East.   It was not.  All each sect wants is their brand of theocracy.  There is zero interest in Democracy.   It was not an unreasonable effort, but unfortunately Muslims don't share our values of human rights and democracy and probably never will.

Theae alphabet agencies are overrated.   They do a few good things, but not anywhere near what justifies their size.  The DoD needs to be severely streamlined. The process that the government goes through to buy stuff, especially weapons systems is a joke.   It is massive overkill of an unbelievable amount of bureaucratic non-sense.  

I think you are really glossing over the effect that of having a dope in the big chair has if things go sideways. Gore would not have invaded Iraq. That was the biggest disaster of my adult life.

We'll see what happens with these government agencies. I don't agree with your the majority of your opinions there but agree streamlining would probably be useful. Sucks to those people about to lose their jobs. We'll see if that actually happens.

Putting Rick Perry in charge of anything shows awful judgement to me.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I think you are really glossing over the fact that of having a dope in the big chair. Gore would not have invaded Iraq. That was the biggest disaster of my adult life.

We'll see what happens with these government agencies. I don't agree with your the majority of your opinions there but agree streamlining would probably be useful. Sucks to those people about to lose their jobs. We'll see if that actually happens.

Putting Rick Perry in charge of anything shows awful judgement to me.

Slick Willie created a housing crisis.  Bush started a war.  Obama created the worst piece of legislation in our lifetime.  Trump will do something stupid too.  Life will go on for all of us.  There are dopes everywhere.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Yeah, I'm not racist thanks.

You need a new word. That's watered down as much as a pitcher of kool-aid with no sugar. 

 

[JIslander]

You need a new word. That's watered down as much as a pitcher of kool-aid with no sugar. 

No, it still good, thanks.

 

[The General]

Slick Willie created a housing crisis.  Bush started a war.  Obama created the worst piece of legislation in our lifetime.  Trump will do something stupid too.  Life will go on for all of us.  There are dopes everywhere.

Let's just say your Obama and Clinton points are pretty suspect. 

Agree Trump will do something stupid.