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***Official*** Ronnie Hillman bandwagon.... (1 Viewer)

so is Hillman a must start this week or should we wait and see what happens?
In my opinion, he won't be used THAT much more than he has been. 10 touches? They won't use him in goal line sets. He's not the blocker Knowshon/Ball is, so he's doubtful to be out there on 3rd downs. But who knows? Also, Fox/Manning are big on dependable blocking and defensive reading, it's doubtful they'd go with the rookie Hillman.
 
'JFS171 said:
All fairness to Cecil here, and he clearly has a pulse on the Broncos, is around them, sees with his own eyes, etc.... he's biased about Hillman, and has been for a long time.

He may very well be right, but I certainly wouldn't expect him to jump ship now after hyping Hillman since the draft. I'm simply saying, we need to recognize the bias and try to view the situation as removed from all bias as we can. I'm not a Denver fan, don't own any of these guys anywhere... just don't see a between-the-tackles runner when I see Hillman with my own two eyes. And, the stats I've seen so far, support that conclusion.
How am I biased?I'm not a Broncos fan. I just get to watch practice every week, talk to John Fox and the players each week, etc. My observations form my opinion. I'm also one of very few people on this board that have seen every carry from Hillman in college and as a pro. Hillman is the lead back, Ball gets short yardage/GL looks, Moreno gets a small handful of touches is what I believe will happen.
Cecil, any indication to Hillman's workload? Is 20 touches possible?
he had 14 in this last game vs San Diego, 20 is certainly possible.
 
This will be a great opportunity for him to "arrive." Divisional game against a weak opponent. Should have a lead and get the ball in scoring position plenty. Looking forward to 15 carries, 105 yards, 3 catch 40 yards and a touchdown.

 
Cecil, appreciate your Bronco insights, as usual. Loved Ronnie when he was here at State, but wondered if he shouldn't have stayed one more year. Looks like he made the right decision.

I think he's got the potential to win a lot of folks fantasy titles this year. I'm on the train. CHOO-#######-CHOO!

 
The Associated Press expects the Broncos to "watch" Ronnie Hillman's workload "closely."

At just 5'9/200, Hillman certainly isn't built to run between the tackles like Willis McGahee was. He excels at bursting through a hole, bouncing runs to the outside and using his long speed to make plays. Hillman will start against the Chiefs this week and figures to push for 15-plus touches, but don't be surprised to see Lance Ball and Knowshon Moreno mixed in. Nov 22 - 8:25 AM

Source: Associated Press

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7440/ronnie-hillman

 
All fairness to Cecil here, and he clearly has a pulse on the Broncos, is around them, sees with his own eyes, etc.... he's biased about Hillman, and has been for a long time.
How am I biased?I'm not a Broncos fan. I just get to watch practice every week, talk to John Fox and the players each week, etc. My observations form my opinion. I'm also one of very few people on this board that have seen every carry from Hillman in college and as a pro. Hillman is the lead back, Ball gets short yardage/GL looks, Moreno gets a small handful of touches is what I believe will happen.
I should have clarified - biased in the sense that you're obviously a Hillman believer, not a skeptic like some of us. I like Hillman's talent and see some definite explosiveness if deployed in a Sproles-ian COP role, but I don't see the lower half to bang between the tackles and consistently break tackles and move the pile. Nothing wrong with that, just think he'll be part of a committee. My point with regard to your bias was that as a supporter of Hillman for so long, it would be silly for you to jump ship when he likely has the widest opening to PT. Certainly did not mean to question your journalistic integrity - my apologies for sending that message. I just think there may be an inherent bias in your reading of the tea leaves, but what do I know?

I just don't see Hillman carrying the load. More than 15 touches in a non-blowout would surprise me - and even in that case I'd expect another back (Moreno or Ball) to have a substantial share as well.

I have yet to hear how Moreno's situation is different from Dwyer's. Both inactive prior to an injury to the starter, and I could see Moreno following a similar path to carries.

I found it telling Manning mentioned Knowshon first in the AP article referenced on RW about limiting Hillman's carries. I am on my phone or I would post a link - article itself is on ESPN. Perhaps someone can help me out...

EDIT - now see someone posted the link to RW. I'd encourage you all to go to that link, then read the original article on ESPN, not just RW's blurb.

 
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Hillman will start against the Chiefs this week and figures to push for 15-plus touches, but don't be surprised to see Lance Ball and Knowshon Moreno mixed in.
It's concrete insights like this that makes the AP my go-to source for fantasy news.
 
I just don't see Hillman carrying the load. More than 15 touches in a non-blowout would surprise me - and even in that case I'd expect another back (Moreno or Ball) to have a substantial share as well.
He had 14 touches in 2/3 of game action last week, yet 15 touches in an entire game would surprise you?The Broncos average 29 rushing plays a game, if they pare that down to 25ish I would expect at least 15 Hillman, 14 Ball/Moreno. They also average about 6 passes to RBs a game, I would think Hillman would at least get a couple passes too. Maybe he stinks it up and shows he can't handle that, but until that point there is 0 reason to think the guy is going to be getting only 10 touches a game.
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8660419/denver-broncos-eye-title-game-return-willis-mcgahee

"We're certainly going to miss Willis," quarterback Peyton Manning said. "To say we're not going to miss Willis would be not telling the truth because he's that good of a player. ... So, Knowshon and Ronnie and Lance have to step up. Everybody else has to step their game up, too, when you're missing one of your top players."

Forgive the formatting, but read between the lines. Looks like a Moreno/Hillman committee with Ball sprinkled in to me.

 
After reading all of this stuff, my prediction is 2 touches for ball. There have been no glowing comments, nothing about how this is an opportunity. Around 8 for Knowshon. You don't go from inactive to lead back. There were rumors he was going to be cut. Then, 12-15 touches for Hillman. I'm buying in with Lammey. Strong RB2 the rest of the way

 
I'm in. I drafted him and kept him tucked away all year waiting for this opportunity. He goes right in the lineup this week.

:thumbup:

 
I guess I'll start him over Ridley this week because he plays the Chiefs and not on a dreaded Thursday night. If he can't punch one in vs the Chiefs then I won't start him again I figure.

 
What about Hillman's hamstring? I have not seen any news on this as it just popped up?
He was a little dinged up against the Chargers, but was able to come back into the game after missing a series. He fully participated in practice today. I'll be out at Dove Valley again tomorrow and re-check, but as of right now it's not seen as serious.
 
Very excited to see what he does with the opportunity tomorrow. The kid is undersized, but had 2 90+ yard TDs in college so the explosiveness is there.

 
For you guys who are starting him or have faith in him, bovada has his over/under at 57 1/2. Easy money if you think he gets the rock. I personally do.

 
I traded him and Ball away in one league but I'm starting him in another over Sjax. I think he can beat the 18 for 70 stat line.

 
i think hes going to do well rest of season. i was able to pick him up in both my leagues, but want to see how they use him before starting him... starting rbs like reece, sjax over him today

 
McFadden/Goodson owner here who missed out on Reece.

I picked up Hillman last week before the W. McGahee injury as a lottery ticket play.

I hope to be at the window later today cashing in.

 
Per Twitter:

Sigmund Bloom ‏@SigmundBloom

still think hillman more valuable, but downgrade RT @NathanZegura Knowshon Moreno will start at RB for the Broncos per our CBS crew in KC.

 
More Twitter:

Sigmund Bloom ‏@SigmundBloom

Hillman drops from RB2 play to flex... adjust accordingly. Still an upside play, but fewer expected touches, unless KM start ceremonial

 
Well...this sucks. Flipped Knowshon into my lineup in a league where I have a big lead. Kept Hillman in my lineup in the leagues where I'm down or tied.

 
Hmm...have stubbornly kept Hillman rostered behind McGahee since draft day, and was upset when I was outbid for Ball after McGahee went down. I wound up winning Moreno w/ a secondary, minimal bid. Funny how this could work out. :sigh: But, Hillman looks even riskier today. I was gonna roll the dice & start him @ Flex over Steve Smith, but now feel like I gotta roll w/ Smiff on Monday night. Yeah, I know. Cool story

 
Did anyone—anyone—anticipate Hillman actually getting fewer carries this week? I know the Broncos offense hasn't been on the field much but ... wow.

 
Safe to say Hillman is droppable, now?

Even more than Moreno doing fairly well, I think this game tells us that the coaching staff has ZERO faith in Hillman having any sort of real responsibility. That said, even a Moreno injury would indicate that they're going to go with Lance Ball as the lead-back being the better pass-protector.

Funny thing is, it seemed like almost every time Peyton dropped back to pass, Moreno was running pass routes. If Hillman's pass-pro was the issue, why wasn't he out there if they're just running routes with the RB, anyway? Obviously there's info in the locker room that we aren't privy to.

 
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Worst Football Guys lead bandwagon ever. 0.00
I know that Lammey was far from the only "expert" touting Hillman, in particular this week, but this sequence of events shows just how "expert" many of the fantasy experts are, even here at FBG. Sorry to be so bitter, but this is about as big of a miss as you can have. And really, it's not just a one week or one issue situation. At least for me, I'd have been better off for the entire season ignoring the advice of the FBG staff. Don't get me wrong -- they're good and their insights have helped me to have many successful seasons in the past, but it's not been a banner year from my perspective.Thankfully, I managed to avoid the most important piece of advice this season, which concerned Peyton Manning and his poor arm strength. I PM'd a staffer over his assertion in a roundtable that Manning was fool's gold due to short throws, etc., and I explained how the Steelers dominated time of possession in the opener and that prorated per play, Peyton actually had an excellent week. He of course ignored my peasant perspective. I stuck with my gut and even though I may lose today, I'm either a division champ or wildcard pending Week 13 thanks to sticking with Peyton.

Sorry to crap in the thread, but I got burned big time this week by relying on the expert FBG insight. To be clear, it's my fault. I run my team. However, I don't think there's much doubt that this one was a gigantic miss by the staff.

 
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How a player can go from getting touches when McGahee is the lead back to nothing with Moreno now in is beyond me. Unreal.

 
Worst Football Guys lead bandwagon ever. 0.00
I know that Lammey was far from the only "expert" touting Hillman, in particular this week, but this sequence of events show just how "expert" many of these people are. Sorry to be so bitter, but this is about as big of a miss as you can have. At least for me, I'd have been better off for the entire season ignoring the advice of the FBG staff. Don't get me wrong -- they're good and their insights have helped me to have many successful seasons, but it's not been a banner year from my perspective.Thankfully, the one piece of advice I did ignore concerned Peyton Manning and his poor arm strength. I PM'd a staffer over his assertion in a roundtable that Manning was fool's gold, explaining how the Steelers dominated time of possession in the opener and that prorated per play, Peyton actually had an excellent week.

Sorry to crap in the thread, but I got burned big time by relying on the expert FBG insight. To be clear, it's my fault. I run my team. However, I don't think there's much doubt that this one was a gigantic miss by the staff.
To be fair to the staff, earlier in the week there wasn't any suggestion that Moreno would be getting the feature back role come game time. So when you take that into account, we were all just going off some misinformation. However, when CL talks about being at the Broncos facility, chatting to John Fox, Hillman, McGahee and even Jeremiah Johnson, trashes Moreno at every opportunity and basically says Hillman is more or less a lead back for fantasy purposes going forward (with a bit of Lance Ball mixed in, who didn't see any work whatsoever), that's a pretty decent miss.
 
To be fair to the staff, earlier in the week there wasn't any suggestion that Moreno would be getting the feature back role come game time. So when you take that into account, we were all just going off some misinformation. However, when CL talks about being at the Broncos facility, chatting to John Fox, Hillman, McGahee and even Jeremiah Johnson, trashes Moreno at every opportunity and basically says Hillman is more or less a lead back for fantasy purposes going forward (with a bit of Lance Ball mixed in, who didn't see any work whatsoever), that's a pretty decent miss.
Thanks for your details. Your last sentence is exactly what I was trying to get at in my post. Staff members need to be more cautious when it comes to relying on so-called inside information. Probably all this will result is more disclaimers preceding information, but I was truly shocked at what happened today because of the seemingly inside information. As often as not, coaches use the media for deception and misinformation. Lesson learned by me.
 
Sucks. I was at work and didn't know he wasn't starting. Ugh
I did know Moreno would be starting but stuck with Hillman anyway, figuring even if he's the complementary back, 10-15 touches would be enough to put him past the likes of Reggie Bush and an iffy Julio Jones. I'm baffled. I don't blame the FBG staff much. I've watched Hillman this year and thought he looked great. There were some legitimate criticisms of his weaknesses out there, but I suspect even the biggest Hillman critics are a bit surprised to see him get only three touches. I'm sure a lot of people are just left shaking their heads after this one.
 
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Was there ever any serious indication that Hillman would start? It looks like everyone just "believed" this would happen.

(I did start Hillman in one league. :bag: )

 
so is Hillman a must start this week or should we wait and see what happens?
In my opinion, he won't be used THAT much more than he has been. 10 touches? They won't use him in goal line sets. He's not the blocker Knowshon/Ball is, so he's doubtful to be out there on 3rd downs. But who knows? Also, Fox/Manning are big on dependable blocking and defensive reading, it's doubtful they'd go with the rookie Hillman.
It was even worse than I thought. Those on the Hillman bandwagon are believers, not observers. Hillman has promise, but Fox/Manning were too smart to throw him into this situation. Moreno acquitted himself admirably today.
 
Not one backed up with so much "inside first-hand intel".

This is a miss that will cost FBG subscriptions next year. It's THAT big of a whiff. It will cost people leagues.

(And I'm not one of those people. I had Moreno as insurance and started neither guy today in my one league that really matters.)

 
'Lascelle said:
Not one backed up with so much "inside first-hand intel".This is a miss that will cost FBG subscriptions next year. It's THAT big of a whiff. It will cost people leagues.(And I'm not one of those people. I had Moreno as insurance and started neither guy today in my one league that really matters.)
:lmao:
 

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