Official Sam Bradford - QB (1 Viewer)

[Bigboy10182000]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

I haven't watched enough Tannehill to know what he can do....but Kaep looks like one of the worst QB's in the game....same with Foles...they may have "flashed more" but neither of them will be considered as a 19-20 million guy by any NFL team. That should be telling enough IMO. The league, in general, sees them as worse than Sam. I guess theyre all just a bunch of dummies who see 1.1 and that's why they decide to blow 19-20 though....

 

[Bigboy10182000]

From a pure fan (FFB) perspective I would be really interested to see what he would do in Denver with Thomas and Sanders to work with.

 

[Chaka]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

I haven't watched enough Tannehill to know what he can do....but Kaep looks like one of the worst QB's in the game....same with Foles...they may have "flashed more" but neither of them will be considered as a 19-20 million guy by any NFL team. That should be telling enough IMO. The league, in general, sees them as worse than Sam. I guess theyre all just a bunch of dummies who see 1.1 and that's why they decide to blow 19-20 though....

The snakebit excuse doesn't fly with me. He has barely a 60% career completion percentage and a meager 6.5 YPA. The TD:INT ratio in a season and a half is very nice but overall he has been meh and flashed very little. He'll get his payday but that is based on draft pedigree and belief in his potential, not on anything he has actually accomplished on an NFL field.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

I haven't watched enough Tannehill to know what he can do....but Kaep looks like one of the worst QB's in the game....same with Foles...they may have "flashed more" but neither of them will be considered as a 19-20 million guy by any NFL team. That should be telling enough IMO. The league, in general, sees them as worse than Sam. I guess theyre all just a bunch of dummies who see 1.1 and that's why they decide to blow 19-20 though....

The snakebit excuse doesn't fly with me. He has barely a 60% career completion percentage and a meager 6.5 YPA. The TD:INT ratio in a season and a half is very nice but overall he has been meh and flashed very little. He'll get his payday but that is based on draft pedigree and belief in his potential, not on anything he has actually accomplished on an NFL field.

I agree, the snake bit excuse as far as injuries shouldn't fly. As far as his supporting casts and teams, that has to fly IMO. How can it not? "The greats make their players better"? No one will insinuate hes a great QB...

He'll get his payday based on need at the position and NFL tape...the other stuff wont even be a factor.

 

[JuniorNB]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

Depends on the reasons for his failure to flourish. In Bradford's case, he's had injury issues his entire pro career. There's a reason he's going to get 20 million per year. In his last 8 games of 2015, his numbers were right there with Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning. In fact, he was right in between them. That could be called cherry picking, but considering he was coming off of two missed years due to injury, rust and apprehension should have been expected. And all except the last game of the season were playoff-pressure type of games. Since they were always within a game of the division lead. Insein loves saying that we'll have excuses if he starts poorly again this year. But I don't use the 'new offense' excuse. I use the recovering from two major knee injuries excuse. If he was franchised and had a similar year in 2016, I'd be all for letting him walk.

Not sure why you'd use the examples of Tannehill and Kaepernick when Bradford was much better than both of them last year. Add Foles to that list and the examples people are giving are all guys who had one good year and have declined rapidly ever since.

 

[JuniorNB]

From a pure fan (FFB) perspective I would be really interested to see what he would do in Denver with Thomas and Sanders to work with.

That would be scary. I'm sure they're thinking that same thing.

 

[JuniorNB]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

Everyone tends to forget about this fact. It's not only how much better Bradford's stats would look if we hadn't lead the league in drops, but how many drives would have been extended. We were one win away from winning the division. Based largely on a missed field goal in the first Washington game. Or Sanchez letting the Miami game slip away. Take all those drops away and we most likely have at least two more wins. Bradford has much better stats and is a playoff quarterback.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

Everyone tends to forget about this fact. It's not only how much better Bradford's stats would look if we hadn't lead the league in drops, but how many drives would have been extended. We were one win away from winning the division. Based largely on a missed field goal in the first Washington game. Or Sanchez letting the Miami game slip away. Take all those drops away and we most likely have at least two more wins. Bradford has much better stats and is a playoff quarterback.

We had a bottom 5 set of skill players last season...one of the worst running games in the league and the OL played bad. I'm not a PFF guy but I would assume they have us near the bottom in all of the things I just mentioned. The "good" QB's like Eli, Cutler, Palmer, Dalton etc would look like a 19-14 QB too IMHO.

 

[Chaka]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

Depends on the reasons for his failure to flourish. In Bradford's case, he's had injury issues his entire pro career. There's a reason he's going to get 20 million per year. In his last 8 games of 2015, his numbers were right there with Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning. In fact, he was right in between them. That could be called cherry picking, but considering he was coming off of two missed years due to injury, rust and apprehension should have been expected. And all except the last game of the season were playoff-pressure type of games. Since they were always within a game of the division lead. Insein loves saying that we'll have excuses if he starts poorly again this year. But I don't use the 'new offense' excuse. I use the recovering from two major knee injuries excuse. If he was franchised and had a similar year in 2016, I'd be all for letting him walk.

Not sure why you'd use the examples of Tannehill and Kaepernick when Bradford was much better than both of them last year. Add Foles to that list and the examples people are giving are all guys who had one good year and have declined rapidly ever since.

It is cherry picking; Bradford was better than Tannehill and Kapernick for the last 7 games last year but just as bad, if not worse, for the first 7 games too, for whatever reason. The fact that he is brittle as glass doesn't help his case either. How many leg injuries does it take before his mechanics are irrevocably altered? Not to mention this will be his fifth offensive coordinator in seven seasons which only complicates things.

I use Tannehill and Kaep because of their annual salary. If they get $19-20 then Bradford likely will too, but it's based on potential not production. IMO they are all overpaid.

 

[JuniorNB]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

Everyone tends to forget about this fact. It's not only how much better Bradford's stats would look if we hadn't lead the league in drops, but how many drives would have been extended. We were one win away from winning the division. Based largely on a missed field goal in the first Washington game. Or Sanchez letting the Miami game slip away. Take all those drops away and we most likely have at least two more wins. Bradford has much better stats and is a playoff quarterback.

We had a bottom 5 set of skill players last season...one of the worst running games in the league and the OL played bad. I'm not a PFF guy but I would assume they have us near the bottom in all of the things I just mentioned. The "good" QB's like Eli, Cutler, Palmer, Dalton etc would look like a 19-14 QB too IMHO.

Exactly. And let's not forget the fact that Chip's offense was not kind to a guy like Bradford. To be effective, that offense needs the initial handoff to be an option. Defenses have to choose between the running back or the quarterback keeping it. Well, that might have worked for Bradford 6 years ago, before the knee injuries, but there was really no mystery to the defense as to who was running the ball. In a more conventional offense, where Bradford can make reads and use his huge arm, he'd have much more success. Just look at Bradford's numbers when Chip was fired and Shermer took over and put the backs in an I formation. 30-38 for 320 yards and 2 TDs. And 35 points scored.

 

[JuniorNB]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

Depends on the reasons for his failure to flourish. In Bradford's case, he's had injury issues his entire pro career. There's a reason he's going to get 20 million per year. In his last 8 games of 2015, his numbers were right there with Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning. In fact, he was right in between them. That could be called cherry picking, but considering he was coming off of two missed years due to injury, rust and apprehension should have been expected. And all except the last game of the season were playoff-pressure type of games. Since they were always within a game of the division lead. Insein loves saying that we'll have excuses if he starts poorly again this year. But I don't use the 'new offense' excuse. I use the recovering from two major knee injuries excuse. If he was franchised and had a similar year in 2016, I'd be all for letting him walk.

Not sure why you'd use the examples of Tannehill and Kaepernick when Bradford was much better than both of them last year. Add Foles to that list and the examples people are giving are all guys who had one good year and have declined rapidly ever since.

It is cherry picking; Bradford was better than Tannehill and Kapernick for the last 7 games last year but just as bad, if not worse, for the first 7 games too, for whatever reason. The fact that he is brittle as glass doesn't help his case either. How many leg injuries does it take before his mechanics are irrevocably altered? Not to mention this will be his fifth offensive coordinator in seven seasons which only complicates things.

I use Tannehill and Kaep because of their annual salary. If they get $19-20 then Bradford likely will too, but it's based on potential not production. IMO they are all overpaid.

For whatever reason? lol That's been covered extensively. If you don't understand it by now, you never will. But the teams that will be offering him big money do. And they're the ones that matter.

 

[Chaka]

Bottom five skill position team? Maybe that holds if you are just talking about WRs (although you could make a case for the talent being there if not the production), but for TEs and RBs that statement doesn't pass the smell test. Not by a long shot.

They have also invested very heavily in that offensive line and, like Dallas, it woefully underachieved but I don't think anyone will argue that the talent wasn't there.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

We all see what Bradford did last season with a bottom 5 set of skill players, lack of a running game and poor OL play.

Non-Eagle fans, what do you think his potential is if he had the same weapons as Denver or a team like Arizona? FFB wise, where do you think hew would rank? Use a per game if you like

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Bottom five skill position team? Maybe that holds if you are just talking about WRs (although you could make a case for the talent being there if not the production), but for TEs and RBs that statement doesn't pass the smell test. Not by a long shot.

They have also invested very heavily in that offensive line and, like Dallas, it woefully underachieved but I don't think anyone will argue that the talent wasn't there.

Dude

DUDE

Both of those statements are that of someone who hasn't watched maybe a single game of ours this season. Are we talking Murray the name or the one that playerd? The one that played was horrendous. Are we talking the Ertz through the first 13 weeks or the one in the last 4?

WR, TE and RB's as a unit would be bottom 5 in just about everything.

The OL comment you made is going to get you attacked by Eagle fans too lol. We spent nothing there at all. Both guards were probably bottom 3-5, Peters was awful in everything and Kelce took a hug step back. We didn't spend either--we cut and saved and replaced with journeyman

 

[Chaka]

Bottom five skill position team? Maybe that holds if you are just talking about WRs (although you could make a case for the talent being there if not the production), but for TEs and RBs that statement doesn't pass the smell test. Not by a long shot.

They have also invested very heavily in that offensive line and, like Dallas, it woefully underachieved but I don't think anyone will argue that the talent wasn't there.

Dude

DUDE

Both of those statements are that of someone who hasn't watched maybe a single game of ours this season. Are we talking Murray the name or the one that playerd? The one that played was horrendous. Are we talking the Ertz through the first 13 weeks or the one in the last 4?

WR, TE and RB's as a unit would be bottom 5 in just about everything.

The OL comment you made is going to get you attacked by Eagle fans too lol. We spent nothing there at all. Both guards were probably bottom 3-5, Peters was awful in everything and Kelce took a hug step back. We didn't spend either--we cut and saved and replaced with journeyman

What a tired canard...dude.

Bottom five talent

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Bottom five skill position team? Maybe that holds if you are just talking about WRs (although you could make a case for the talent being there if not the production), but for TEs and RBs that statement doesn't pass the smell test. Not by a long shot.

They have also invested very heavily in that offensive line and, like Dallas, it woefully underachieved but I don't think anyone will argue that the talent wasn't there.

Dude

DUDE

Both of those statements are that of someone who hasn't watched maybe a single game of ours this season. Are we talking Murray the name or the one that playerd? The one that played was horrendous. Are we talking the Ertz through the first 13 weeks or the one in the last 4?

WR, TE and RB's as a unit would be bottom 5 in just about everything.

The OL comment you made is going to get you attacked by Eagle fans too lol. We spent nothing there at all. Both guards were probably bottom 3-5, Peters was awful in everything and Kelce took a hug step back. We didn't spend either--we cut and saved and replaced with journeyman

What a tired canard...dude.

Bottom five talent

Uh, you're the only one to say bottom 5 talent....Are you arguing with yourself? Or did you just not read it all the way through?

Talent takes time to develop...last year while the talent MAY have been there it didn't show. It's tough to pick 5 teams who have a worse combo of WR, TE and RB's than we did last season...IMO...maybe stretch it to 7-10? Still bad either way, no?

 

[JuniorNB]

Is it me or did Chaka used to be a pretty chill dude?

Anyway, under Chip Kelly, the Eagles have sinfully ignored the offensive line. Their players there have gotten old and no young talent has been brought in. Jason Peters has gone from all-pro to droppable. Kelse had a terrible year, but I think he can rebound. I'd love for them to sign Jahri Evans. The lobe bright spot is Lane Johnson. Hopefully, he moves to left tackle and solidifies that position for years.

 

[modogg]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

Everyone tends to forget about this fact. It's not only how much better Bradford's stats would look if we hadn't lead the league in drops, but how many drives would have been extended. We were one win away from winning the division. Based largely on a missed field goal in the first Washington game. Or Sanchez letting the Miami game slip away. Take all those drops away and we most likely have at least two more wins. Bradford has much better stats and is a playoff quarterback.

drops could help with wins, so maybe you are right and this is where the stats don't tell the whole story. It is a good point, but here it is from a stat perspective:

Sam Bradford was hurt by drops

"Ah," you might say, "but Bradford had a lot of drops." Sam Bradford was certainly the victim of some terrible drops, but so is every QB. Per Pro Football Focus, Bradford had 41 drops in his 14 games. That was the highest percentage of dropped passes for any QB, which obviously made Bradford look worse than he really was. But how much worse? The average amount of drops a QB suffered was 30. If we gave Bradford 30 drops by adding 11 completions to his season, and gave him an average amount of yards (11.5) and touchdowns (0.05, we'll be generous and give him another TD) per reception for those new found catches, it wouldn't significantly move the needle.

Comp Att Yards Rank Y/A Rank TD Rank Rating Rank

Actual 346 532 3725 18th 7 25th 19 22nd 86.4 25th

Normalized 357 532 3852 16th 7.2 16th 20 20th 89.7 19th

With an average amount of drops, Sam Bradford was just an average quarterback.

Here is a nice comprehensive review of Bradford's year: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/27/10842256/eagles-position-review-sam-bradford-mark-sanchez-quarterback-chase-daniel-nfl-draft-rookie

 

[Bushead]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

Everyone tends to forget about this fact. It's not only how much better Bradford's stats would look if we hadn't lead the league in drops, but how many drives would have been extended. We were one win away from winning the division. Based largely on a missed field goal in the first Washington game. Or Sanchez letting the Miami game slip away. Take all those drops away and we most likely have at least two more wins. Bradford has much better stats and is a playoff quarterback.

drops could help with wins, so maybe you are right and this is where the stats don't tell the whole story. It is a good point, but here it is from a stat perspective:

Sam Bradford was hurt by drops

"Ah," you might say, "but Bradford had a lot of drops." Sam Bradford was certainly the victim of some terrible drops, but so is every QB. Per Pro Football Focus, Bradford had 41 drops in his 14 games. That was the highest percentage of dropped passes for any QB, which obviously made Bradford look worse than he really was. But how much worse? The average amount of drops a QB suffered was 30. If we gave Bradford 30 drops by adding 11 completions to his season, and gave him an average amount of yards (11.5) and touchdowns (0.05, we'll be generous and give him another TD) per reception for those new found catches, it wouldn't significantly move the needle.

Comp Att Yards Rank Y/A Rank TD Rank Rating Rank

Actual 346 532 3725 18th 7 25th 19 22nd 86.4 25th

Normalized 357 532 3852 16th 7.2 16th 20 20th 89.7 19th

With an average amount of drops, Sam Bradford was just an average quarterback.

Here is a nice comprehensive review of Bradford's year: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/27/10842256/eagles-position-review-sam-bradford-mark-sanchez-quarterback-chase-daniel-nfl-draft-rookie

Interesting they don't include the normalized completion % - which i think puts him at #6 in the league

or his yards per game - which when normalized would have been #12 in the league

some other points

• Bradford ranks fourth overall in PFF's "Quarterback Accuracy Percentage", which accounts for "accounts for dropped passes, throw aways, spiked balls, batted passes, and passes where the quarterback was hit while they threw the ball." His 78.1% figure in this category only ranks behind Teddy Bridgewater, Kirk Cousins, and Russell Wilson.

• 11 dropped passes were 20+ yards. Two dropped passes were 40+. Bradford completed the 20th most 20+ yards and 4th most 40+ yards this year.

• 24 passes were dropped on third down. Without even accounting for YAC and the possibility of missed tackles, at least 14 of those would have been first downs.

 

[JuniorNB]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

Everyone tends to forget about this fact. It's not only how much better Bradford's stats would look if we hadn't lead the league in drops, but how many drives would have been extended. We were one win away from winning the division. Based largely on a missed field goal in the first Washington game. Or Sanchez letting the Miami game slip away. Take all those drops away and we most likely have at least two more wins. Bradford has much better stats and is a playoff quarterback.

drops could help with wins, so maybe you are right and this is where the stats don't tell the whole story. It is a good point, but here it is from a stat perspective:

Sam Bradford was hurt by drops

"Ah," you might say, "but Bradford had a lot of drops." Sam Bradford was certainly the victim of some terrible drops, but so is every QB. Per Pro Football Focus, Bradford had 41 drops in his 14 games. That was the highest percentage of dropped passes for any QB, which obviously made Bradford look worse than he really was. But how much worse? The average amount of drops a QB suffered was 30. If we gave Bradford 30 drops by adding 11 completions to his season, and gave him an average amount of yards (11.5) and touchdowns (0.05, we'll be generous and give him another TD) per reception for those new found catches, it wouldn't significantly move the needle.

Comp Att Yards Rank Y/A Rank TD Rank Rating Rank

Actual 346 532 3725 18th 7 25th 19 22nd 86.4 25th

Normalized 357 532 3852 16th 7.2 16th 20 20th 89.7 19th

With an average amount of drops, Sam Bradford was just an average quarterback.

Here is a nice comprehensive review of Bradford's year: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/27/10842256/eagles-position-review-sam-bradford-mark-sanchez-quarterback-chase-daniel-nfl-draft-rookie

Interesting they don't include the normalized completion % - which i think puts him at #6 in the league

or his yards per game - which when normalized would have been #12 in the league

some other points

Bradford ranks fourth overall in PFF's "Quarterback Accuracy Percentage", which accounts for "accounts for dropped passes, throw aways, spiked balls, batted passes, and passes where the quarterback was hit while they threw the ball." His 78.1% figure in this category only ranks behind Teddy Bridgewater, Kirk Cousins, and Russell Wilson.

11 dropped passes were 20+ yards. Two dropped passes were 40+. Bradford completed the 20th most 20+ yards and 4th most 40+ yards this year.

24 passes were dropped on third down. Without even accounting for YAC and the possibility of missed tackles, at least 14 of those would have been first downs.

great post. Who knows how many more touchdowns he'd have thrown for if all those drives hasn't stalled. Leading the league in drops is a huge factor. It can't be downplayed by simply giving him a few more completions.

 

[modogg]

How many years does a guy like Bradford get a free pass for being snake bitten? He may be the next Rich Gannon for all we know but to this point he has never really flashed at the NFL level.

To this point in their respective careers both Tannehill and Kaepernick have demonstrated more on the field than Bradford. They both were terrible last year but they both have been better than Bradford ever has. Maybe Bradford turns it around and both Tannehill and Kaepernick continue to decline but in no way has Bradford been better than them to this point.

He doesn't deserve a pass at all. The injury concerns are legit with him no doubt. He has "flashed"....just as soon as he does the injuries come in so its hard to really say. This is a guy who won ROY, then got hurt, had a fairly decent 2012 and got hurt, than a 14-4 which and got hurt again. Even last year I believe his last 10 games he was a top 7-10 rated QB and that was with us leading the league in drops and having a bottom 5 set of skill position players. All of it has to be factored in IMO

Everyone tends to forget about this fact. It's not only how much better Bradford's stats would look if we hadn't lead the league in drops, but how many drives would have been extended. We were one win away from winning the division. Based largely on a missed field goal in the first Washington game. Or Sanchez letting the Miami game slip away. Take all those drops away and we most likely have at least two more wins. Bradford has much better stats and is a playoff quarterback.

drops could help with wins, so maybe you are right and this is where the stats don't tell the whole story. It is a good point, but here it is from a stat perspective:

Sam Bradford was hurt by drops

"Ah," you might say, "but Bradford had a lot of drops." Sam Bradford was certainly the victim of some terrible drops, but so is every QB. Per Pro Football Focus, Bradford had 41 drops in his 14 games. That was the highest percentage of dropped passes for any QB, which obviously made Bradford look worse than he really was. But how much worse? The average amount of drops a QB suffered was 30. If we gave Bradford 30 drops by adding 11 completions to his season, and gave him an average amount of yards (11.5) and touchdowns (0.05, we'll be generous and give him another TD) per reception for those new found catches, it wouldn't significantly move the needle.

Comp Att Yards Rank Y/A Rank TD Rank Rating Rank

Actual 346 532 3725 18th 7 25th 19 22nd 86.4 25th

Normalized 357 532 3852 16th 7.2 16th 20 20th 89.7 19th

With an average amount of drops, Sam Bradford was just an average quarterback.

Here is a nice comprehensive review of Bradford's year: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/27/10842256/eagles-position-review-sam-bradford-mark-sanchez-quarterback-chase-daniel-nfl-draft-rookie

Interesting they don't include the normalized completion % - which i think puts him at #6 in the league

or his yards per game - which when normalized would have been #12 in the league

some other points

• Bradford ranks fourth overall in PFF's "Quarterback Accuracy Percentage", which accounts for "accounts for dropped passes, throw aways, spiked balls, batted passes, and passes where the quarterback was hit while they threw the ball." His 78.1% figure in this category only ranks behind Teddy Bridgewater, Kirk Cousins, and Russell Wilson.

• 11 dropped passes were 20+ yards. Two dropped passes were 40+. Bradford completed the 20th most 20+ yards and 4th most 40+ yards this year.

• 24 passes were dropped on third down. Without even accounting for YAC and the possibility of missed tackles, at least 14 of those would have been first downs.

crazy how these stats can tell so many different things. Nice posting though, and the points are valid. One thing i tried looking up was to see how many passes went to RBs vs. how many went to wideouts. of course this could be a funny stat too because i think most QBs would have stopped throwing passes to those scrubs after all the drops they had.

I am definitely not a pro-Bradford guy for the Eagles to sign long-term, but i won't go into a full panic if he is the QB for the Eagles again next year

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

crazy how these stats can tell so many different things. Nice posting though, and the points are valid. One thing i tried looking up was to see how many passes went to RBs vs. how many went to wideouts. of course this could be a funny stat too because i think most QBs would have stopped throwing passes to those scrubs after all the drops they had.

I am definitely not a pro-Bradford guy for the Eagles to sign long-term, but i won't go into a full panic if he is the QB for the Eagles again next year

I've always been more of an analytics guy than an "eye test" guy, but my overarching philosophy on cherry-picking stats is: If you need to go deep into the statistical weeds to decide whether someone is playing their position really well ... they're not.

And I expressed a very similar view to your last sentence dozen or so pages ago. To use a poker analogy, I feel like the Eagles with Bradford are holding top pair and facing a $20M bet on the river. It may be right or wrong to call that bet - but if it's a mistake, it's probably not a huge one. But raising all-in for $100M+ would be more likely than not to end very badly.

 

[Tool]

The Eagles literally dropped the ball as bad or worse than any team in the last decade. It is possible they were one the worst group of receivers for any team in 10 years. That alone right there is enough that you can't just laugh off Bradford's supporting cast being bottom 5.

nah, that's a bit of an exaggeration.

 

[modogg]

The Eagles literally dropped the ball as bad or worse than any team in the last decade. It is possible they were one the worst group of receivers for any team in 10 years. That alone right there is enough that you can't just laugh off Bradford's supporting cast being bottom 5.

nah, that's a bit of an exaggeration.

pretty sure i read that the Rams had problems with drops when Sam was there too. Of course easy counter here is that the WRs they had were not Hall of famers either, but maybe it has some relevancy:

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/was_talent_really_an_issue_for_eagles_qb_sam_bradf.html

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Bottom five skill position team? Maybe that holds if you are just talking about WRs (although you could make a case for the talent being there if not the production), but for TEs and RBs that statement doesn't pass the smell test. Not by a long shot.

They have also invested very heavily in that offensive line and, like Dallas, it woefully underachieved but I don't think anyone will argue that the talent wasn't there.

who has heavily invested?

 

[Faust]

Sam Bradford agrees to two-year, $36M Eagles deal

 

[moondog]

Sam Bradford agrees to two-year, $36M Eagles deal

Just unfreaking believable.

 

[JuniorNB]

Just unfreaking believable.

Great deal for both sides.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just unfreaking believable.

Guy has made $78MM during his career and has thrown 78 career TDs. Not a bad gig.

 

[Braktastic]

The Sam Bradford deal is a testament to just how sad the state of quarterbacking is in college and NFL right now.

I actually think it is a great deal for both sides too.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I'm not a Bradford fan and think his ceiling is "average NFL QB", but it's tough to come up with any reasonable deal that works better for the Eagles than this one.

If Bradford somehow has his mid-career renaissance and becomes a top-10 guy under Pederson, the Birds get another full year of team control at a reasonable price while they try to ink him to a longer-term deal. Worst case in this scenario is they get 2 years of above-average QB play at below-market cost.

If he stinks on ice, they cut him loose next March and not only owe nothing more than they would have by tagging him, but get to spread the pain over 2 years.

Even if he's the JAG we thought he was, they can draft a QB (either this year or next) and use Bradford as a reasonably-priced stopgap instead of throwing the new kid to the wolves.

I spent the last month on pins and needles that the Birds were going to lose their minds and throw something like 4/$80 or 5/$90M at this guy, but even I feel they really wound up with a win-win deal here.

 

[Bri]

Now to get him some WRs

 

[Faust]

Here's why the Eagles just gave Sam Bradford a 2-year, $36 million deal

 

[Faust]

Pederson: Sam Bradford's 'best days are ahead of him'

 

[Faust]

Sam Bradford can win with Doug Pederson -- just ask Alex Smith

 

[Bri]

Where is the offense at here?

Is it similar to Reid's of old? Or what about all the Packers teams Pederson played for?

In regards to getting him WRs- I suppose any of Avant, Jennings, or Jones could be a veteran to help with the process. (Hasselbeck too for that matter) They need significantly more though.

I think it's a common thought but...FWIW I'm not a fan of KCs passing game, love the Packers passing game.

McAdoo left GB and had his Gilbride/GB mishmash offense which became unimaginative as they forced it to Beckham. 

What's the expectation here? 

 

[Faust]

Report: Sam Bradford upset that the Eagles traded with the Browns

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Report: Sam Bradford upset that the Eagles traded with the Browns

If there's one person who shouldn't be able to get upset at anything it should be Bradford.  Dude has lucked into insane amounts of money in exchange for his below average performance.  How many Super Bowls will Russell Wilson and Cam Newton have played in by the time their earnings catch up to Bradford's?

 

[Tool]

Don't really see any reason not to try and trade him.

 

[Insein]

I'm sure they're trying.

 

[towney]

Bradford has been in the league too long as a QB1 and has proven nothing and continues to get hurt.  Teams are not going to take a chance on him, heck I'd see more value in Kap then Bradford, but both are not much to talk about..Maybe it's time for Bradford to take a look in the mirror and devote himself into the QB1 league with work ethic or maybe he's just a backup..

 

[Tool]

Here is one reason.

Sam Bradford signed a two year, $35 million contract with the Philadelphia Eagles on March 1,2016. The contract contains $22 million fully guaranteed and another $4 million guaranteed for injury. Per SI's Andrew Brandt, Bradford will receive an $11 million signing bonus and $7 million base salary in 2016.

Well, i said Eagles should try and trade him. I don't think it's a terrible contract.  Noone really thought that when it was signed so seems possible another team would take it on.

 

[Insein]

Very unlikely at those numbers when you figure Denver and San Fran are fighting over 7 million for Kaep and The Jets won't even come near 16 million for Fitz. I think the number they are rumored at is 8 million. Eagles would have to eat a huge chunk of that contract to get a deal done and why would they? What kind of compensation would they get? Eagles are telling the truth. Bradford is their starter this season or at least the majority, The 2017 season is a totally different situation. Stranger things have happened though I suppose and if some team would pony up a high second and take the majority of the contract then anything is possible, but would be shocking considering the market established.

Eagles already paid the $11m signing bonus. New team would just have to pay the remainder. The contract is VERY trade able. 

 

[Sebowski]

Eagles already paid the $11m signing bonus. New team would just have to pay the remainder. The contract is VERY trade able. 

 Not happening. 

 

[Insein]

 Not happening. 

Not saying it will but this misnomer about the contract holding it up needs to stop. You get a mid level starting NFL QB for a mid level price. People continue to not understand nfl contracts.

 

[NYRAGE]

Hey Sam, you didn't like the trade? Maybe you should have played better.

 

[Sebowski]

Not saying it will but this misnomer about the contract holding it up needs to stop. You get a mid level starting NFL QB for a mid level price. People continue to not understand nfl contracts.

Plus compensation to the Eagles. Not happening. Not worth analyzing. 

 

[Sebowski]

Hey Sam, you didn't like the trade? Maybe you should have played better.

Imagine how much they would have paid him then!

 

[Insein]

Plus compensation to the Eagles. Not happening. Not worth analyzing. 

People get traded in the NFL. Starting QBs even mediocre ones are worth something. If a team wants him, they'll happily give up a 2nd or 3rd for a starting QB.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

calling it now.  Denver will find a way to fit him under their cap and make a draft day trade for Bradford.